The new Supra

[12,000 RPM]

So driving skill is nothing more than being able to drive stickshift?

I agree that the Supra should have had a 3 pedal option, but the exaggeration of the difficulty of driving stick is annoying.

[MX793]

So driving skill is nothing more than being able to drive stickshift?

I agree that the Supra should have had a 3 pedal option, but the exaggeration of the difficulty of driving stick is annoying.

At 10/10ths on a track, driving a stick is definitely harder and requires more skill.

[Xer0]

Since the car does it for you, it should be quick.

Reading C&Ds review, the launch control apparently sucks and getting that blistering time requires some actual work.

[12,000 RPM]

At 10/10ths on a track, driving a stick is definitely harder and requires more skill.

This is a road car, not a race car

If an M2 can get a stick it's ridiculous that this doesn't

[MX793]

This is a road car, not a race car

If an M2 can get a stick it's ridiculous that this doesn't

Why does it matter whether it's a road or race car?  Driving a stick is more challenging, and the difficulty climbs as you push the vehicle harder.

[12,000 RPM]

Why does it matter whether it's a road or race car?  Driving a stick is more challenging, and the difficulty climbs as you push the vehicle harder.

An auto being less challenging <> an auto "doing it for you". Even with launch control you have to keep the car pointed straight.

[cawimmer430]

Spotted a camouflaged Supra today. Might be a special halo version perhaps? Posting the pics later when I am on my PC.

Supposedly Supras for RHD markets will get a manual transmission.

[2o6]

I feel like this car should have been a 2+2.

[MrH]

I feel like this car should have been a 2+2.

Have you seen videos of this thing? There's zero room behind the front seats.

[12,000 RPM]

Stretching the car would be easy enough, but honestly 2+2s are mostly pointless. I more wish they pushed the wheels further out to the corners; it looks scrunched.

[2o6]

Have you seen videos of this thing? There's zero room behind the front seats.

...then elongate the wheelbase.

[cawimmer430]

I feel like this car should have been a 2+2.

Or an SUV. It would sell like crazy.



Pics as promised.

[BimmerM3]

Stretching the car would be easy enough, but honestly 2+2s are mostly pointless. I more wish they pushed the wheels further out to the corners; it looks scrunched.

+1. Either make it a proper four seater like my Accord coupe was, or stick with 2.

[cawimmer430]

And again for comparison purposes, two Z4s I saw today. Between the Supra and the Z4, on looks alone I gotta take the Z4.

[12,000 RPM]

For me, going forward, sports car purchases have to be convertibles. So I'd also go for the Z4 by default.

It's weird that convertibles are dying faster than regular sports cars as they seem like the obvious choice within the sports car realm now, unless you live in Siberia.

[Eye of the Tiger]

For me, going forward, sports car purchases have to be convertibles. So I'd also go for the Z4 by default.

It's weird that convertibles are dying faster than regular sports cars as they seem like the obvious choice within the sports car realm now, unless you live in Siberia.

It's not a sports car unless it had a snap on soft top with zippered door windows. The Supra is a GT.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Or is that a roadster? Whatever.

[12,000 RPM]

It's not a sports car unless it had a snap on soft top with zippered door windows. The Supra is a GT.

Oh god no do not summon the spirit of Sha "I can read a car's quarter mile time visually" man from C&D

[MrH]

Stretching the car would be easy enough, but honestly 2+2s are mostly pointless. I more wish they pushed the wheels further out to the corners; it looks scrunched.

...then elongate the wheelbase.

  The whole platform was developed for certain dynamics in mind. They set the wheelbase first.  It's actually shorter than the GT86.  It's meant to compete with Cayman and is really, really close to it in wheelbase length.

They actually went after a track:wheelbase ratio to get the nimbleness & stability they were looking for.

[Soup DeVille]

  The whole platform was developed for certain dynamics in mind. They set the wheelbase first.  It's actually shorter than the GT86.  It's meant to compete with Cayman and is really, really close to it in wheelbase length.

They actually went after a track:wheelbase ratio to get the nimbleness & stability they were looking for.

No, it needs a longer wheelbase because overhangs aren't fashionable. Also, the wheel gap is too large and the wheels are too small.

[2o6]

I'm saying that being a 2+2 would distance it from the Z4 and be more in line with the old Supras...which were all 2+2 cars.


It would also look better with more wheelbase.

[MX793]

An auto being less challenging <> an auto "doing it for you". Even with launch control you have to keep the car pointed straight.

You have to keep it pointed straight with a stick, too.

Any neanderthal can mash the go pedal and keep the car pointed in a straight line and get max performance when the car is handling the traction management, shift points, etc.  Doing the same when you have to modulate the throttle, pay attention to RPMs and time your shifts, actually execute the shift...  Put 3 different drivers in the same MT car on the same day and have them do a 1/4 mile run and you'll see far more scatter in results than in an auto with launch control.

[MX793]

No, it needs a longer wheelbase because overhangs aren't fashionable. Also, the wheel gap is too large and the wheels are too small.

That's what coilovers are for.

[12,000 RPM]

Well they got what they wanted I guess.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Oh god no do not summon the spirit of Sha "I can read a car's quarter mile time visually" man from C&D

[Galaxy]

I'm saying that being a 2+2 would distance it from the Z4 and be more in line with the old Supras...which were all 2+2 cars.


It would also look better with more wheelbase.

The Supra has BMW buttons, BMW air vents, a BMW steering wheel, and infotainment system, and under the hood one immediately sees BMW logos all over the engine, and the accessories. You think they would go to the effort of lengthening the platform? This was an effort in making the car with the least amount of money spent.

To be fair, based on the reviews, Toyota has got the suspension better sorted then BMW, and it is quite possibly the best a BMW I6 has ever sounded.

[12,000 RPM]

Maybe the turbo ones. The E46 M3 CSL remains king.

[Galaxy]

Maybe the turbo ones. The E46 M3 CSL remains king.

True.

[MrH]

No, it needs a longer wheelbase because overhangs aren't fashionable. Also, the wheel gap is too large and the wheels are too small.

Sorry, give me dynamics over fashion.  I don't think the overhangs or wheel gap are particularly bad either.

[BimmerM3]

Sorry, give me dynamics over fashion.  I don't think the overhangs or wheel gap are particularly bad either.

+1. The overall proportions are nice. I think the car looks good when it's moving and it's not a close-up shot. It's all the design details that I think are ugly - faux vents and weird creases all over the place. Styling is pretty low on the priority list when I'm car shopping though, so it's not bad enough that I'd avoid buying it if it were otherwise what I wanted.