The new Supra

Started by Payman, September 07, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

2o6

I disagree, i think it has the same awful proportions that plague the MB SL. Too short wheelbase coupled with long overhangs.


At the end of the day, I wouldn't buy either so really my opinion doesn't mean shit

CALL_911

The fact that this car exists means I pretty much drive a modern Cressida right


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Rich

Sooo is it worth $30k more than a 370z?

Chris Harris and Matt Farrah are at odds over this car. It's funny.
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A miata is worth $50k more than a 370Z :lol:
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Quote from: Rich on May 15, 2019, 02:47:30 PM
Sooo is it worth $30k more than a 370z?

Chris Harris and Matt Farrah are at odds over this car. It's funny.

$30k?

370z starts at $30k and goes up to $47k. Supra starts at $50k and the only other trim (ignoring launch trim) is $54k.

MX793

Quote from: MrH on May 15, 2019, 12:48:57 PM
:confused:  The whole platform was developed for certain dynamics in mind. They set the wheelbase first.  It's actually shorter than the GT86.  It's meant to compete with Cayman and is really, really close to it in wheelbase length.

They actually went after a track:wheelbase ratio to get the nimbleness & stability they were looking for.

I'm going to put money on the largish front overhang being more a response to pedestrian safety standards than dynamics.
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Quote from: MX793 on May 15, 2019, 03:01:00 PM
I'm going to put money on the largish front overhang being more a response to pedestrian safety standards than dynamics.

The wheelbase is 100% designed for dynamics.  The nose might be due to pedestrian safety standards, but we're talking about the wheelbase.
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Quote from: MrH on May 15, 2019, 02:30:33 PM
Sorry, give me dynamics over fashion.  I don't think the overhangs or wheel gap are particularly bad either.

You, of all people, should be able to recognize that as sarcasm.
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From the reviews this seems to be a contender for the best handling BMW out there. Toyota seems to have gotten the suspension tuning very right.

The Supra is posting Boxster/Cayman levels of grip and agility. With a manual, it'd be a no-brainer.

Toyota will be bringing it to Mexico as it's already up on their website. If they price it at base Z4 money it'll be a very attractive option undercutting a base Cayman by 15K or so.
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Supposedly the 385hp version is already in production.
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Xer0

So annoying, I was kinda wrong about the new Mazda3 being a disaster and it looks like I'll be kind of wrong about the new Supra being a disaster too.  Good thing people don't pay me for my opinions.

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Quote from: Xer0 on May 16, 2019, 10:19:41 AM
So annoying, I was kinda wrong about the new Mazda3 being a disaster and it looks like I'll be kind of wrong about the new Supra being a disaster too.  Good thing people don't pay me for my opinions.

I'm admittedly eating a bit of crow as well.  I didn't have the highest expectations based on the specs, but it sounds like the car may be more than the sum of its spec sheet.  Still wish it had an MT option.
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I didn't doubt that this thing would be good. I'm just disappointed at how it came to be. But they had some bench racing metrics to hit and they did what they needed to do to hit them. It is what it is.
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Europe's 2019 Toyota Supra Detailed In 107 Images

The new Toyota Supra (sorry, GR Supra) has arrived in Europe as well, and the Japanese car maker has released a full gallery of its reborn sports car and all the details.

You already know that the Supra shares its underpinnings with the BMW Z4, with the two models produced at the same factory in Graz, Austria.



Toyota is adamant that despite the common hardware, the new Supra is tuned completely differently than its German cousin and therefore has its own unique personality. As Mike points out in his first drive review, the new Supra manages to combine excellent handling and a comfortable ride, which is arguably a very tough thing to achieve.

Under the clamshell bonnet lies the turbocharged 3.0-liter straight-six unit, producing 335hp (340PS) and 368lb-ft (500Nm) of torque, paired to a ZF eight-speed automatic transmission which remains the only option for Europe that like the U.S., doesn't get Japan's 2.0-lite turbo four.



With the kind help of the integrated Launch Control, Toyota claims a 0-62mph (100km/h) in 4.3 seconds and an electronically limited top speed of 155mph (250km/h). An active rear differential operates both during acceleration and deceleration and can go from zero to 100 percent lock instantly.

The new Toyota Supra will be offered in two trim levels in European markets: Active and Premium. Both of them come pretty much fully loaded, with the cheaper Active featuring Adaptive Variable Suspension, 19-inch forged alloy wheels, dual-zone automatic air conditioning system, Adaptive Cruise Control with stop and go, smart entry and push-button start, LED adaptive headlights, an 8.8-inch infotainment system with Apple CarPlay, rain-sensing wipers and black Alcantara power-adjustable sports seats among other.

Premium models add black leather upholstery, a 12-speaker JBL premium sound system, a head-up display, a wireless mobile phone charger and storage and lighting packs.




Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/europes-2019-toyota-supra-detailed-in-107-images/







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The Supra carries bright colors well.
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CaminoRacer

The front is just SO bland.
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MexicoCityM3

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 16, 2019, 05:16:30 PM
The front is just SO bland.

I like it. It kinda looks like an F1 car.
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CALL_911

More pics I see the more I want one. I just couldn't imagine taking this over a Boxster/Cayman


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2o6

I think it looks bad from every angle.

12,000 RPM

I'm certain it's great to drive but I hate it looks and how it came to be. There are a lot more straightforward/compelling and equally fun cars in its price range
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Galaxy

So, the Z4 has been announced with a manual. The Supra can not be far behind.

MX793

Quote from: Galaxy on May 20, 2019, 02:21:52 PM
So, the Z4 has been announced with a manual. The Supra can not be far behind.

With the I6 or just the I4?
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Quote from: MX793 on May 20, 2019, 05:50:05 PM
With the I6 or just the I4?
I have no idea but I can make a pretty cynical guess
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Xer0

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27543113/2020-toyota-supra-dyno-horsepower/

C&D just put the Supra on a dyno and it put down 340hp at the wheels and I guess 400ish crank.  Those acceleration numbers make a bit more sense now.

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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 20, 2019, 06:02:45 PM
I have no idea but I can make a pretty cynical guess

Looks like it's only been announced for the sDrive20i. I assume that's the 4 cylinder.
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Quote from: Raza  on May 21, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
Looks like it's only been announced for the sDrive20i. I assume that's the 4 cylinder.

Damn, sDrive20i BMWs only make like 200hp.  Thats pretty garbage.

BimmerM3

Quote from: Raza  on May 21, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
Looks like it's only been announced for the sDrive20i. I assume that's the 4 cylinder.

That's what I'm seeing too. We don't even get that one in the states, so I'm not holding my breath for a manual Supra.

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Toyota Is Thinking About A Manual Supra But Doesn't Seem Sold On The Idea

Even before the latest-generation Toyota Supra premiered, there has been hopeful talk that a six-speed manual would soon be offered alongside the current eight-speed automatic.

Hopes were heightened last week following confirmation that the entry-level BMW Z4 sDrive20i in Europe with which the Supra shares its underpinnings will come standard with a manual.

While BMW has yet to say whether or not the six-cylinder variants of the Z4 could also get a stick shift, Automobile reached out to Toyota to see whether the release of a manual Z4 also means that a manual Supra is on the agenda.

"We may have heard a time or two (or more) that there's a desire for a manual transmission in the Supra," a Toyota spokesperson said. "However, we're confident in the performance of the current setup . . . We feel it's the optimal combination for the U.S. market at this time and we're anxious for customers to drive the new Supra and experience it for themselves. We'll be sure to check back into the conversation at that time and see what people have to say."

Evidently, Toyota is thinking about offering the new Supra with a manual transmission but it doesn't seem sold on the idea of such a model, at least not in the United States. We imagine that if the Supra does get a six-speed option, this transmission option would initially be rolled out to select markets, perhaps including Japan where Toyota knows the Supra has a strong cult following among hardcore driving enthusiasts.


Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/toyota-is-thinking-about-a-manual-supra-but-doesnt-seem-sold-on-the-idea/
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Is the American-market Supra being built here in the US, or are they all being built in Japan?  If they're all being built overseas, I feel like they could offer the manual for custom-ordered vehicles and ship 'em over as needed.  It's hard enough finding a manual transmission vehicle of any sort on a lot to begin with (especially if you want specific trim/options), so I don't see why they couldn't just do custom orders for them like some people do when they want a specific trim/option with manual.  That's what I did for the A4, just took a couple months to get here.

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Quote from: giant_mtb on May 28, 2019, 08:00:45 AM
Is the American-market Supra being built here in the US, or are they all being built in Japan?  If they're all being built overseas, I feel like they could offer the manual for custom-ordered vehicles and ship 'em over as needed.  It's hard enough finding a manual transmission vehicle of any sort on a lot to begin with (especially if you want specific trim/options), so I don't see why they couldn't just do custom orders for them like some people do when they want a specific trim/option with manual.  That's what I did for the A4, just took a couple months to get here.

They would still need to go through all of the hoops of federalizing that power train configuration (e.g. EPA testing) to offer it even as a special order option.
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