I'm wondering if our household could go to one car. I've put about 700 miles on my Miata this year. I do enjoy driving in the backroads, but it's about 90 hours of slog for maybe 30 minutes of fun. Traffic here just sucks and the suburbs have grown, so that my formerly empty fun roads are now dotted by absentminded Model 3s going under the limit.
Given that shockingly low utilization, I'm wondering if the 1 person : 1 car paradigm is relevant to us anymore. It probably makes more sense for families with jobs that require commuting and kids that need hauling. Doesn't apply to us. I work from home until further notice, but even when I worked at an office, I biked to work most of the year.
I'm thinking of a radical overhaul to our car stable:
* Subaru upgraded to Ioniq5. 100% of our driving over the past three years could be done within the car's battery range alone. I think it would be a comfortable and fun car to own. I looked at the Genesis GV60 but the inventory is essentially nonexistent and the range is pretty mediocre, only 230 miles!
* Miata sold, replaced by a fleet of bikes:
- a nice road or gravel bike for myself;
- a beefy ebike with good pannier racks and stout tires for shopping runs within a 10 mile radius. NOT a fat tire bike. Yuck.
- a decent ebike so that we can go out shopping by bike as a couple.
What do you think, is it heretical? I can always buy another car later if I end up regretting it, but we're adaptive enough that we could handle any one-off inconveniences by pulling out the credit card. I think I would feel less guilty if my beautiful Miata was in the hands of someone who used it more.
Makes sense to me. Def should get matching mopeds.
A friend has been telling me to get a Dutch cargo ebike, but they're just too out of place here :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on September 24, 2022, 12:54:46 PM
A friend has been telling me to get a Dutch cargo ebike, but they're just too out of place here :lol:
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVHG30Ms/9-E1-B095-B-ADA4-434-D-9339-E109-B50-CC273.jpg)
Who gets to ride in the front?
I know one or two families with a cargo ebike like this. They seem useful for a small city like Provo where you could ride to the store and back without issue.
(https://cyclingtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Urban-Arrow-Family-review-1.jpg)
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 24, 2022, 12:59:04 PM
I know one or two families with a cargo ebike like this. They seem useful for a small city like Provo where you could ride to the store and back without issue.
(https://cyclingtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Urban-Arrow-Family-review-1.jpg)
That's pretty neat. I wanna ride one just to see how it handles.
No, both of you need separate dually diesel pickup trucks to roll coal on e bikes and those model 3s.
Quote from: 565 on September 24, 2022, 06:01:49 PM
No, both of you need separate dually diesel pickup trucks to roll coal on e bikes and those model 3s.
Get a dually diesel with a tow tank/tanks and you can get like 600 miles of range. Way better than them silly EVs...until you gotta fill it up. :lol:
What about a dually ebike with a smoke machine
Well, I got the non-ebike today, so my plan is coming together, I guess? Miata replacement or not, I've been overdue for a bike upgrade for years.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 24, 2022, 06:20:58 PM
What about a dually ebike with a smoke machine
You mean like a vape?
Quote from: Laconian on September 24, 2022, 06:37:15 PM
Well, I got the non-ebike today, so my plan is coming together, I guess? Miata replacement or not, I've been overdue for a bike upgrade for years.
Picks of shins?
Due to the climate hysteria here many people are degrading themselves and buying stuff like this. The text reads: "I AM REPLACING A CAR."
Yeah, NO THANKS. I'll keep driving my CO2-spewing liquified dinosaur-burning ICE for as long as possible! :rockon: :ohyeah: :praise:
(https://i.postimg.cc/9QfTqS7X/Gaga-3.jpg)
You do you. I'm replacing a car. I don't think of it as a degradation, more of a minor reckoning with suburban material attachment. My Miata gets 36mpg combined, it's practically an EV it's so efficient. :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on September 24, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
I'm wondering if our household could go to one car. I've put about 700 miles on my Miata this year. I do enjoy driving in the backroads, but it's about 90 hours of slog for maybe 30 minutes of fun. Traffic here just sucks and the suburbs have grown, so that my formerly empty fun roads are now dotted by absentminded Model 3s going under the limit.
Given that shockingly low utilization, I'm wondering if the 1 person : 1 car paradigm is relevant to us anymore. It probably makes more sense for families with jobs that require commuting and kids that need hauling. Doesn't apply to us. I work from home until further notice, but even when I worked at an office, I biked to work most of the year.
I'm thinking of a radical overhaul to our car stable:
* Subaru upgraded to Ioniq5. 100% of our driving over the past three years could be done within the car's battery range alone. I think it would be a comfortable and fun car to own. I looked at the Genesis GV60 but the inventory is essentially nonexistent and the range is pretty mediocre, only 230 miles!
* Miata sold, replaced by a fleet of bikes:
- a nice road or gravel bike for myself;
- a beefy ebike with good pannier racks and stout tires for shopping runs within a 10 mile radius. NOT a fat tire bike. Yuck.
- a decent ebike so that we can go out shopping by bike as a couple.
What do you think, is it heretical? I can always buy another car later if I end up regretting it, but we're adaptive enough that we could handle any one-off inconveniences by pulling out the credit card. I think I would feel less guilty if my beautiful Miata was in the hands of someone who used it more.
Here Lies Laconian
May His Enthusiast Rest In Peace
Killed by traffic
I'm guessing the boat has taken over as the main weekend toy, so if the Miata isn't a daily driver and isn't even the main weekend toy, that is tough
I'm of the mindset that once you have a toy, there's no reason to get rid of it unless it's purely for practical reasons...either you really need/want the space back, or really need/want the money. Sure you, may not use it as often as you initially did or had once hoped, but it's already yours and when that itch hits, it's there for you.
I can understand the space is has to occupy and the upkeep (insurance, etc) feeling like sort of a burden while it sits mostly undriven.
Miatas are like mopeds...you gotta wind 'em out and push them and that's what makes them fun, even just cruising around. Windy back roads are its true element, but it's not a requirement to enjoy it.
How much does it rain there?
It might be because I need glasses, but I 10000% HATE riding in the rain.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 25, 2022, 04:20:33 PM
Miatas are like mopeds...you gotta wind 'em out and push them and that's what makes them fun, even just cruising around. Windy back roads are its true element, but it's not a requirement to enjoy it.
True. Back roads are great but I can have a lot of fun just driving to work too
Yeah, doesn't it rain most days there? Do you bike to work in the rain?
This is a sad thread, but it makes sense. Not from a financial standpoint, but from a simplifying standpoint. I'm guessing Outback + Miata will be worth roughly what an Ioniq 5 would cost? Then the added cost of all the new bikes...
Can you even get an Ioniq 5? I looked for a long time and basically gave up. Impossible to get a test drive or ever secure one at MSRP, and now there's no rebate either.
The sad thing about it is that I am getting older and my priorities are changing, but I am kind of excited about shaking things up a bit and rethinking the rut for 2022. Alex is right, the boat really did eat up ALL the nice weekends. With the exception of two and a half weeks, we were on the water from June to mid September, with lots of weekend trips the rest of the year. The sailboat gets so much attention now, in terms of both use and maintenance.
I think the Miata just has to go no matter what. Given that I need to drive increasingly further out to get to the unpopulated backroads, I would prefer a car that can rack up interstate miles without aggravating my tinnitis (e.g. a GTI). But if a transition of some sort is in the cards, then why not give having the interim state of _no_ car a shot? If I really hate life then I can just buy that hatch.
It does rain here a lot from October to April, but yes, I biked for all but four weeks of the year. I had fenders, waterproof high viz clothing, lots of lights. But now that I'm perma-remote, I'll simply stay home on those days.
Sure, I can get an Ioniq 5 if I wait long enough. Bremerton Hyundai sells them at MSRP if you're willing to plunk down $500 for a slot on their non-refundable (but transferable!) waiting list. The lack of a rebate might actually thin the demand for the top trim levels quite a bit! We don't _need_ an EV, but the Ioniq 5 really does sound like a pretty incredible car to drive and own. I think it's points to my enthusiast cred that I want to make our practical DD into a 310HP fun car.
No doubt priorities change!!!
IF we get Maverick, we'll more than likely sell Odyssey. I've had a minivan of some sort almost completely continuously from 2004 through present. But we just don't need that much space very often, and we get 16-20mpg in town and "up to" 25mpg highway. Wife doesn't want 4 cars :thumbsup: :hammerhead:
Quote from: Laconian on September 25, 2022, 10:14:17 PM
The sad thing about it is that I am getting older and my priorities are changing, but I am kind of excited about shaking things up a bit and rethinking the rut for 2022. Alex is right, the boat really did eat up ALL the nice weekends. With the exception of two and a half weeks, we were on the water from June to mid September, with lots of weekend trips the rest of the year. The sailboat gets so much attention now, in terms of both use and maintenance.
I think the Miata just has to go no matter what. Given that I need to drive increasingly further out to get to the unpopulated backroads, I would prefer a car that can rack up interstate miles without aggravating my tinnitis (e.g. a GTI). But if a transition of some sort is in the cards, then why not give having the interim state of _no_ car a shot? If I really hate life then I can just buy that hatch.
It does rain here a lot from October to April, but yes, I biked for all but four weeks of the year. I had fenders, waterproof high viz clothing, lots of lights. But now that I'm perma-remote, I'll simply stay home on those days.
Sure, I can get an Ioniq 5 if I wait long enough. Bremerton Hyundai sells them at MSRP if you're willing to plunk down $500 for a slot on their non-refundable (but transferable!) waiting list. The lack of a rebate might actually thin the demand for the top trim levels quite a bit! We don't _need_ an EV, but the Ioniq 5 really does sound like a pretty incredible car to drive and own. I think it's points to my enthusiast cred that I want to make our practical DD into a 310HP fun car.
Would you order one without test driving? That's a bridge too far for me. I was able to test drive an EV6 and was glad I did. I didn't fit at all. Kind of an ergonomic nightmare.
Quote from: Laconian on September 25, 2022, 11:47:44 AM
Killed by traffic
No, no, no. When an enthusiast dies, it's
always suicide.
Quote from: MrH on September 26, 2022, 07:59:57 AM
Would you order one without test driving? That's a bridge too far for me. I was able to test drive an EV6 and was glad I did. I didn't fit at all. Kind of an ergonomic nightmare.
Think about what you said. Why do you need to test drive an electric SUV? It's just there. Fat and ugly and silent as the grave in which Laconian is burying his enthusiast. You're quite tall, so that's a concern, I suppose, but that's more of a test sit than a test drive.
Quote from: Raza on September 26, 2022, 08:16:45 AM
Think about what you said. Why do you need to test drive an electric SUV? It's just there. Fat and ugly and silent as the grave in which Laconian is burying his enthusiast. You're quite tall, so that's a concern, I suppose, but that's more of a test sit than a test drive.
:lol:
You need to make sure you connect emotionally with the golf cart before you buy.
But even a test sit isn't possible for a lot of cars currently! The whole thing is still a mess and will continue to be for awhile.
Quote from: Raza on September 26, 2022, 08:16:45 AM
Think about what you said. Why do you need to test drive an electric SUV? It's just there. Fat and ugly and silent as the grave in which Laconian is burying his enthusiast. You're quite tall, so that's a concern, I suppose, but that's more of a test sit than a test drive.
:lol:
Quote from: Raza on September 26, 2022, 08:16:45 AM
Think about what you said. Why do you need to test drive an electric SUV? It's just there. Fat and ugly and silent as the grave in which Laconian is burying his enthusiast. You're quite tall, so that's a concern, I suppose, but that's more of a test sit than a test drive.
You don't want to test drive an EV because then your eyes will be opened and you'll see why ICE is kinda dumb for a commuter car compared to the awesomeness of silent torque and no transmission.
Go for it Kevin.
I have yet to meet an EV owner who would go back to ICE, and it sounds like your plan covers your needs.
Personally I would never go for one car, be it ICE or EV, in a household with two adults assuming you can afford it and parking is not an issue.
It's not absolutely necessary anymore but it is really convenient to be able to go at a moment's notice to wherever you want for however long you want without needing to think about how you're going to do it or how your partner is going to make do without a car for that time period. Even in a world of ride share and rentals, a personal car allows greater mobility at a time convenient for you and you alone.
Quote from: Laconian on September 25, 2022, 11:13:04 AM
You do you. I'm replacing a car. I don't think of it as a degradation, more of a minor reckoning with suburban material attachment.
What are the advantages of such a bicycle? It's only good for short-distance driving in the city
and only during nice weather. That's it.
These things handle terribly due to the weight distribution and for most people cycling is a form of traveling that will only take place during nice weather, this means not in the rain or cold.
The woke leftist climate hysterical German media wants to tell me that such a contraption is a 100% replacement for my car. Pathetic. :lol:
I commuted for three years to my job on a bike and lost 25 pounds that never came back. And I had fun doing it. My old bike's odometer grew faster than my Miata's, it's currently at 3500 miles.
Wimmer, this is my thread, please spare me the rants.
Quote from: Laconian on September 27, 2022, 09:47:39 AM
I commuted for three years to my job on a bike and lost 25 pounds that never came back. And I had fun doing it. My old bike's odometer grew faster than my Miata's, it's currently at 3500 miles.
I love cycling through the city as well because it's healthy, fun and it saves me the hassle of looking and paying for a parking space. However, a bicycle can never replace the functionality and flexibility of a car in the big picture. It's a nice short distance and nice weather form of transportation, nothing more. ;)
We're keeping a car, though! The bikes are for fun, commuting, and a fallback for the outlier cases.
I'd say 90% of our trips today are HOV.
Quote from: Laconian on September 27, 2022, 09:47:39 AM
My old bike's odometer grew faster than my Miata's, it's currently at 3500 miles.
Nice!
Maybe I should go for a bike ride this afternoon. I have a 5k coming up this month and I need to improve my cardio a bit more. I just don't enjoy running as much.
Do it! Running for long periods of time is pretty rough on your body if you don't have good form. I can bike all day long.
BTW, I returned the carbon Cannondale to the store. :lol: Basically I discovered - after the fact - that carbon fiber frames ride beautifully and look great, but do not tolerate the addition of pannier racks. The frame is a gigantic suspension member that's meant to bend and flex, and if you span the geometry with a rigid frame.. snap!
Luckily I found the top-trim Topstone 1 in aluminum in REI and will pick it up by the end of the week. I have been waiting for eight freakin' years for a bike upgrade, but COVID came at the exact wrong time and depleted all the stocks.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 26, 2022, 10:12:46 AM
You don't want to test drive an EV because then your eyes will be opened and you'll see why ICE is kinda dumb for a commuter car compared to the awesomeness of silent torque and no transmission.
I've driven EVs dozens of times. My Power Wheels that I had as a kid, several golf carts, and a radio controlled WRX rally car I had in high school.
Quote from: Morris Minor on September 26, 2022, 01:55:14 PM
Go for it Kevin.
I have yet to meet an EV owner who would go back to ICE, and it sounds like your plan covers your needs.
My friend dumped his Tesla 3 for a Cayman S and is much happier. He just takes an Uber now instead of letting the car drive itself when he's drunk.
Quote from: Raza on September 27, 2022, 06:56:40 PM
My friend dumped his Tesla 3 for a Cayman S and is much happier. He just takes an Uber now instead of letting the car drive itself when he's drunk.
My brother was in the market for a new car recently...I was quite sure he'd end up with a Tesla or some sort of EV. Nope, ended up with a Macan S, and I know he's not upset with his decision at all despite being California as fuck.
Quote from: Raza on September 27, 2022, 06:56:40 PM
My friend dumped his Tesla 3 for a Cayman S and is much happier. He just takes an Uber now instead of letting the car drive itself when he's drunk.
Well yeah, those are completely different classes of car. I'm not trading my sportscar for a Model 3 but I would trade most ICE sedans/crossovers for an EV.
My GF needs to drive from Munich to Braunau on Sunday. That's a distance of only 120 km. According to her her fully charged BMW i3S with a range of 225 km can barely make it if you factor in the 10-15 km charge loss overnight due to the cold temperatures and the fact that she wants to drive faster than 90 km/h (56 mph) on the Autobahn and also heat her cabin. In reality she can make it, but once she's there she needs to charge and the few times we've taken trips together in her EV it's always the same story: the charging stations are occupied or out of order.
So she asked me if I could give her a lift with my car. No problem. I can speed on the Autobahn, heat my cabin and don't have to worry about range. Hell, if I cruise at a steady 130-140 km/h my range even goes up as my fuel economy improves! :lol:
Seriously, I see no advantage to owning an EV at this point in time. Germany also has the most expensive electricity prices in the world and this especially applies to public chargers which are also slow at a pathetic 11-22 kW capacity.
Count me in as one of the people who has driven some cool EVs like a Tesla Model 3 Performance and does not want one. Insane acceleration means nothing to me, but flexibility, solid range and quick refueling (aka time efficiency) do. ;)
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 27, 2022, 08:05:54 PM
Well yeah, those are completely different classes of car. I'm not trading my sportscar for a Model 3 but I would trade most ICE sedans/crossovers for an EV.
But you do realize that's exactly what Kevin is thinking of doing, but even worse. Trading his sports car for an electric Hyundai. You came in all hot for EVs and then said you wouldn't trade your sports car for one, which is exactly the scenario we're discussing here. So which is it? Are EVs the be all end all of driving or would you not trade your sports car for one?
For the record, I have no issue with EVs. The more people who use them means there's more gasoline for me. Hooray for EVs, please, keep buying them. I want people to drive them, especially as most people, most of the time, can manage their limitations, such as short range and long charge times. Kevin getting an EV isn't my issue here. I mean, even using the word "issue" is overstating my position. It's more of a lamentation that my friend, a car enthusiast, is reaching a point in his life where car enthusiasm has dwindled to the point that he'd rather drive around in an appliance and ride a child's toy than drive a proper sports car.
Quote from: Raza on September 30, 2022, 06:09:51 AM
For the record, I have no issue with EVs. The more people who use them means there's more gasoline for me. Hooray for EVs, please, keep buying them. I want people to drive them, especially as most people, most of the time, can manage their limitations, such as short range and long charge times. Kevin getting an EV isn't my issue here. I mean, even using the word "issue" is overstating my position. It's more of a lamentation that my friend, a car enthusiast, is reaching a point in his life where car enthusiasm has dwindled to the point that he'd rather drive around in an appliance and ride a child's toy than drive a proper sports car.
This is eminently quotable :hesaid: :clap:
Quote from: Raza on September 30, 2022, 06:09:51 AM
But you do realize that's exactly what Kevin is thinking of doing, but even worse. Trading his sports car for an electric Hyundai. You came in all hot for EVs and then said you wouldn't trade your sports car for one, which is exactly the scenario we're discussing here. So which is it? Are EVs the be all end all of driving or would you not trade your sports car for one?
For the record, I have no issue with EVs. The more people who use them means there's more gasoline for me. Hooray for EVs, please, keep buying them. I want people to drive them, especially as most people, most of the time, can manage their limitations, such as short range and long charge times. Kevin getting an EV isn't my issue here. I mean, even using the word "issue" is overstating my position. It's more of a lamentation that my friend, a car enthusiast, is reaching a point in his life where car enthusiasm has dwindled to the point that he'd rather drive around in an appliance and ride a child's toy than drive a proper sports car.
I think he's trading the Miata for nothing and the Subaru for an EV. Lol
He's trading the Miata in for a bike. Which has better steering feel, a stiffer suspension, a manual transmission, and more wind in the hair.
Quote from: Rich on September 30, 2022, 08:46:38 AM
He's trading the Miata in for a bike. Which has better steering feel, a stiffer suspension, a manual transmission, and more wind in the hair.
:lol:
Quote from: Rich on September 30, 2022, 08:46:38 AM
He's trading the Miata in for a bike. Which has better steering feel, a stiffer suspension, a manual transmission, and more wind in the hair.
Engine only has half a horsepower, though.
Quote from: Raza on September 30, 2022, 07:47:06 PM
Engine only has half a horsepower, though.
gets 80mpg (calories equivalent)
Quote from: Raza on September 30, 2022, 07:47:06 PM
Engine only has half a horsepower, though.
Kevin is as strong as half of a horse?! Is he on the juice?
Which half?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 01, 2022, 02:01:04 PM
Which half?
The hooves, jaw, and ribs. He's missing the leg strength of the horse.
I'm back on the MX5->Bolt wagon, at least in theory. Gotta test drive a Bolt and see how fun they are to drive. If I like it, I could basically swap the Miata for a much more useful fun car at practically no cost. The Subie drives fine but I think a Bolt would do much of the same work with a lot more verve, not to mention fuel savings.
I saw a Bolt EUV on the road a few days ago. It's a decent looking little SUV/Hatch type thing
Quote from: Laconian on October 17, 2022, 11:57:02 PM
I'm back on the MX5->Bolt wagon, at least in theory. Gotta test drive a Bolt and see how fun they are to drive. If I like it, I could basically swap the Miata for a much more useful fun car at practically no cost. The Subie drives fine but I think a Bolt would do much of the same work with a lot more verve, not to mention fuel savings.
Wait, so just trade the miata for a Bolt and keep the Outback? :confused: I thought the whole idea was to go to one electric car? Why not swap the subaru for the Bolt?
Quote from: Laconian on October 17, 2022, 11:57:02 PM
I'm back on the MX5->Bolt wagon, at least in theory. Gotta test drive a Bolt and see how fun they are to drive. If I like it, I could basically swap the Miata for a much more useful fun car at practically no cost. The Subie drives fine but I think a Bolt would do much of the same work with a lot more verve, not to mention fuel savings.
(https://images.cars.com/cldstatic/wp-content/uploads/chevrolet-bolt-euv-2022-02-exterior-front-angle-scaled.jpg)
This is the car that's as fun as the MX-5? It definitely looks like it! High center of gravity, comfortable seating for 5, lots of cargo space. Everything you typically look for in a fun car. Plus, one pedal driving! Who wants to deal with the hassle of two or even three pedals!? One pedal that makes you go and the same pedal makes you stop. That's fun.
Quote from: Raza on October 18, 2022, 11:12:19 AM
(https://images.cars.com/cldstatic/wp-content/uploads/chevrolet-bolt-euv-2022-02-exterior-front-angle-scaled.jpg)
This is the car that's as fun as the MX-5? It definitely looks like it! High center of gravity, comfortable seating for 5, lots of cargo space. Everything you typically look for in a fun car. Plus, one pedal driving! Who wants to deal with the hassle of two or even three pedals!? One pedal that makes you go and the same pedal makes you stop. That's fun.
Yeah I'm pretty confused. I think we've lost him if he's thinking swapping a Miata for a Bolt will be "fun." :lol:
Honestly if my Golf started having mechanical issues the Bolt would probably be the go-to choice to replace it right now. From what I've read they actually can be fun to drive (although probably would want better tires). Don't we have an owner or two on these forums already? They can't be that bad.
I do think they are generally regarded as relatively fun to drive. I'm just talkin' shit. :thumbsup:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on October 18, 2022, 01:20:02 PM
Honestly if my Golf started having mechanical issues the Bolt would probably be the go-to choice to replace it right now. From what I've read they actually can be fun to drive (although probably would want better tires). Don't we have an owner or two on these forums already? They can't be that bad.
I actually did replace my Miata with a Bolt recently. I had an ageing, high-mileage Miata, so the Bolt was a decent upgrade. I've read that with good tyres and a sway bar, they are comparable to GTIs. It's certainly zipper than my Golf wagon.
I'm sure you'll get more daily use out of the Bolt, Kevin!
Simon thought his Bolt was as fun as a GTI. :huh: High center of gravity? Nope; the floor's a battery. It scoots too, going from 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. It wouldn't be more fun than the MX-5 but it would be a more fun daily driver than the Subaru, which is where I do 80% of our driving. I enjoy driving small hatches. It would be a very cheap swap to do, too - the residuals on the MX-5 are crazy high.
The thought of getting rid of a car became less palatable as we extrapolated into the future. Currently we drive as a HOV for almost all of our driving, but if my husband goes on a sabbatical or something (likely in next year or two), we will have very divergent transportation needs.
Oh, a swaybar.. yeah, I was definitely thinking the tires would need to be replaced, but a swaybar would be a great upgrade!
#lostcause
Just get the Bolt. None of us will judge you for giving up a perfectly good Miata for no reason.
Quote from: Laconian on October 18, 2022, 05:07:07 PM
Simon thought his Bolt was as fun as a GTI. :huh: High center of gravity? Nope; the floor's a battery. It scoots too, going from 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. It wouldn't be more fun than the MX-5 but it would be a more fun daily driver than the Subaru, which is where I do 80% of our driving. I enjoy driving small hatches. It would be a very cheap swap to do, too - the residuals on the MX-5 are crazy high.
The thought of getting rid of a car became less palatable as we extrapolated into the future. Currently we drive as a HOV for almost all of our driving, but if my husband goes on a sabbatical or something (likely in next year or two), we will have very divergent transportation needs.
I forgot about the batteries, you win there. Je comprends. Je veux une voiture, tu veux une voiturette de golf. J'aime conduire, tu aimes la consommation d'essence. Je suis désolé, mais c'est le destin.
(I don't really mean any of that, I'm very live and let live, you know that. I was just looking for an opportunity to practice my French.)
If you want to replace a fun ice car with a fun ev car - why not just go shopping for a fun ev car?
Le gros problem est presque que out les voitures électriques aux États-Unis sont trop grosses et trop chers. Je veux une voiture *normale*, et pour l'instant ça seule voiture est le Chevy Bolt. Le MINI électrique a une petite batterie avec autonomie merdique, et les systems électriques du MINI deja as beaucoup problèmes...
Uh, oui.
Quote from: Laconian on October 22, 2022, 05:10:31 AM
Le gros problem est presque que out les voitures électriques aux États-Unis sont trop grosses et trop chers. Je veux une voiture *normale*, et pour l'instant ça seule voiture est le Chevy Bolt. Le MINI électrique a une petite batterie avec autonomie merdique, et les systems électriques du MINI deja as beaucoup problèmes...
Si les Américains devaient conduire sur les routes étroites d'Europe, ils comprendraient bientôt que même des voitures comme les Tesla Model Y & 3 sont beaucoup trop grosses.
"Simplifiez, puis ajoutez de la légèreté" (Colin Chapman)
okay had to fix that in translate and I probably still got the subjunctive wrong.
There's a new Mini coming out next year I think that will be available all electric. Mini seems like the ideal brand for EVs. It's just taking them awhile to get there.
I'd love a Mini Clubman EV.
Quote from: MrH on October 22, 2022, 09:00:35 AM
There's a new Mini coming out next year I think that will be available all electric. Mini seems like the ideal brand for EVs. It's just taking them awhile to get there.
I'd love a Mini Clubman EV.
They have an EV, its just an extremely half-hearted attempt with like 7 miles of range.
Quote from: Laconian on October 22, 2022, 05:10:31 AM
Le gros problem est presque que out les voitures électriques aux États-Unis sont trop grosses et trop chers. Je veux une voiture *normale*, et pour l'instant ça seule voiture est le Chevy Bolt. Le MINI électrique a une petite batterie avec autonomie merdique, et les systems électriques du MINI deja as beaucoup problèmes...
C'est dommage.
Croquet monsieur!
Fromage!
Quote from: MrH on October 22, 2022, 09:00:35 AM
There's a new Mini coming out next year I think that will be available all electric. Mini seems like the ideal brand for EVs. It's just taking them awhile to get there.
I'd love a Mini Clubman EV.
I think EVs need bespoke platforms, built from the ground up for all-electric.
Quote from: Morris Minor on October 22, 2022, 03:25:37 PM
I think EVs need bespoke platforms, built from the ground up for all-electric.
Yeah, that's the ideal. Just saying I like how mini packages things. I think it would cool to build an EV Mini from the ground out. It sounds like that's what's coming to some degree? I think the next gen that's coming out in a couple of years will be both gas and full EV. The current one is pretty sad. 115 miles of range. Cold, all highway trips and I don't know if I could even go to work and back in one of those :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on October 18, 2022, 05:07:07 PM
Simon thought his Bolt was as fun as a GTI. :huh: High center of gravity? Nope; the floor's a battery. It scoots too, going from 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. It wouldn't be more fun than the MX-5 but it would be a more fun daily driver than the Subaru, which is where I do 80% of our driving. I enjoy driving small hatches. It would be a very cheap swap to do, too - the residuals on the MX-5 are crazy high.
The thought of getting rid of a car became less palatable as we extrapolated into the future. Currently we drive as a HOV for almost all of our driving, but if my husband goes on a sabbatical or something (likely in next year or two), we will have very divergent transportation needs.
He should have quit (or transferred) long, long ago!
Quote from: GoCougs on October 22, 2022, 08:21:21 PM
He should have quit (or transferred) long, long ago!
He's had a team in the Chrome org waiting to take him and give him the 60% job of his dreams, but internal transfers have been frozen for months!
Have you done any research on how to get a Bolt? There doesn't seem to be a cohesive method for ordering, and there still isn't any clarification on EV credit clarification from the govt :facepalm:
I get a Supplier Discount, so I figure I can just waltz into a dealer with inventory and get MSRP-$750.
Quote from: Laconian on October 28, 2022, 07:50:40 AM
I get a Supplier Discount, so I figure I can just waltz into a dealer with inventory and get MSRP-$750.
Where are you seeing dealers with inventory?
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2022, 08:01:26 AM
Where are you seeing dealers with inventory?
I don't know about the EV, but I keep getting messages about EUVs in stock around here.
Quote from: heelntoe on October 28, 2022, 09:28:46 AM
I don't know about the EV, but I keep getting messages about EUVs in stock around here.
I just looked. There actually are a couple around here! I'm shocked. Even more shocking, there's one with Super Cruise, which is what I really want to try.
I have no idea how EV credits will work at this point. The whole bill is a mess, and they've offered no further details on what cars qualify for what.
My guess is a lot of people are waiting for the credits to kick back in at the start of next year.
Quote from: Laconian on October 28, 2022, 09:52:22 AM
My guess is a lot of people are waiting for the credits to kick back in at the start of next year.
I thought the credits were already live?
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2022, 12:08:50 PM
I thought the credits were already live?
The manufacturer specific credits were reset?
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2022, 09:38:01 AM
I just looked. There actually are a couple around here! I'm shocked. Even more shocking, there's one with Super Cruise, which is what I really want to try.
I have no idea how EV credits will work at this point. The whole bill is a mess, and they've offered no further details on what cars qualify for what.
I think they kick in on Jan 1st, but given the price cut on the Bolt EV and EUV, dealers were expecting prices to go up again after the rebate kicks in, but this is pure speculation at this point. A price increase would put them in range of the upcoming Equinox EV.
On a related note, the dealership I bought from made some sort of mistake and applied GM's credit twice, which meant I walked away from the dealership with the Bolt for nearly $20k. I got about $7.5 for my Miata in a private sale, effectively making this a $13k purchase.
The new EV credit rules went into effect when the signed the bill. So no more manufacturer caps. The kicker is that the car needs to be made in the USA and be <$70k and in a year or two the battery pack also needs to be made in the USA.
I was looking at a Volvo XC60 PHEV which has a big enough battery pack to qualify for ev tax credits but just lost eligibility based on not being made in the US.
Update: We drove the EV6, Ioniq5, and Bolt EUV yesterday. The EV6 was the winner as far as ergonomics, looks, and driving pleasure go. The Ioniq5 is certainly cool but the compromise it strikes is not quite as appealing as the EV6's. The EV6 feels like a really fast version of our old TSX Wagon, which is a good thing!
I spent the day wheeling and dealing on the phone and I put an order in for the EV6. $3k over MSRP and I might get it in as few as 3wks. The only way you can get close to MSRP is to be on 6+ mo waiting lists, and you might be stuck with a car that isn't a match to your spec. I found a dealer that was putting in their orders today and used a comp price from another dealer to talk him down from a $7k markup to a $3k one.
From an environmental point of view, it only makes the most sense to electrify cars which are used frequently. For us we put around 7 miles on the Subie for every 1 mile in the Miata. So if we're going to have an auxiliary car, it should still be gas, since it's more of a "pay/consume as you go" model for range. But who knows, maybe I might decide the EV6 is more of a fun car than the "fun car". It feels like driving a freakin' TIE fighter.
I actually honestly toyed with the idea of getting a GT. Another dealer had two unbought GTs at +$3k MSRP. In otherwords, for only a $3k premium, I could get 570hp, big brakes, a LSD, and 21" wheels. Sounds like an enthusiast's delight... but the range is just terrible, though - only 206 miles. :cry:
This will be a big car purchase for us. I'm still not quite comfortable with the idea of cutting a check that big, esp incl. taxes. But oh well, YOLO
Congratulations!
please for the love of god i hope it has color
Quote from: veeman on December 04, 2022, 06:57:52 PM
Congratulations!
I'll know more by Tuesday at the latest! The order has to be confirmed at the dock.
Quote from: Rich on December 04, 2022, 06:59:00 PM
please for the love of god i hope it has color
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jgw207xz-s
Sick of white Model 3s?
thank teh baby jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab2u-iGN3uk
Baby Jesus hasn't rendered judgment yet, I still need to get word on whether they scored the unit.
If not then I have to wait 3mos.
Congratulations! The EV6 is slick!
Congratulations! I foresee the EV board in the 'SPIN getting busier than it is now.
Congrats! Cool car. I'm surprised you went for it over the Ioniq 5.
I can't believe how cramped the EV6 was when I drove it. The space between H-point to roof was so little. Tons of legroom though.
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 05, 2022, 06:52:43 AM
Congratulations! I foresee the EV board in the 'SPIN getting busier than it is now.
We'll get much more people there soon enough!
Would've been awesome if you sprung for the GT, but I love the EV6 and would totally buy one.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 05, 2022, 06:16:53 PM
We'll get much more people there soon enough!
We're early adopters in the 'SPIN: EVs scratch the nerdy tech-fascinated itches. We're more likely than the general population to tolerate the bugs that come with something new. The car industry has had 120 years to cover every use case and to refine ICE technology to be the best it's ever been. EVs leveraged a lot of that tech, but still have only been around ten or so years... and I think developmentally are at ICE-equivalent level of cars just before the electric starter was invented.
The pace of development is exciting but at some point you gotta jump in. Life's short and all that.
What is really crazy about EVs is how they they utterly commoditized some of the top selling points of high end executive cars. The quiet ride, explosive and smooth acceleration, and high end feature content that you get in a ~$50-60k car now would cost north of $150k+ in un-inflated 2008bucks. And then you'd be saddled with the joy of the care, maintenance, and depreciation of a V12 supersaloon.
After over a decade of platform shared, crossover-addled ICE mediocrity with only the occasional bone thrown to us from manufacturers.. I think EVs make it a good time to be a car enthusiast again.
Quote from: Laconian on December 06, 2022, 12:31:55 PM
The pace of development is exciting but at some point you gotta jump in. Life's short and all that.
What is really crazy about EVs is how they they utterly commoditized some of the top selling points of high end executive cars. The quiet ride, explosive and smooth acceleration, and high end feature content that you get in a ~$50-60k car now would cost north of $150k+ in un-inflated 2008bucks. And then you'd be saddled with the joy of the care, maintenance, and depreciation of a V12 supersaloon.
After over a decade of platform shared, crossover-addled ICE mediocrity with only the occasional bone thrown to us from manufacturers.. I think EVs make it a good time to be a car enthusiast again.
Well said!
I was seriously contemplating getting an EV car but I'm finding the 50-60k price hard to swallow. You're right you're getting the equivalent of a 150k+ ICE car but it still costs 50-60k. Two of my brother in laws, one who has a Model S and one who has a Model Y, keep telling me to jump in to the EV world but my left brain keeps overruling my right brain. I keep telling them I can wait and prices will go down but when that price decrease occurs is very uncertain. 2 years, 5 years, 20 years?
Anyways great car, great buy, congratulations!
Quote from: veeman on December 06, 2022, 04:35:55 PM
Well said!
I was seriously contemplating getting an EV car but I'm finding the 50-60k price hard to swallow. You're right you're getting the equivalent of a 150k+ ICE car but it still costs 50-60k. Two of my brother in laws, one who has a Model S and one who has a Model Y, keep telling me to jump in to the EV world but my left brain keeps overruling my right brain. I keep telling them I can wait and prices will go down but when that price decrease occurs is very uncertain. 2 years, 5 years, 20 years?
Anyways great car, great buy, congratulations!
My left brain realized that my right brain is turning 40 in a few months so it dialed back the prefrontal cortex a few notches. :lol:
I was going to say that I shouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched, but the dealership just called and said that I got the car. It should arrive the day after Christmas. "Great buy" is a bit debatable because I did pay over MSRP. :mask: The best time to buy is probably when supply and demand even out better. It took me 3 hours of calling dealerships to find this one, which is a 2 hour drive to my college town.. every other place was around $6k over MSRP plus a 3-6 month wait, which is just ridiculous.
Congratulations. I hope it's all you expect.
Quote from: Laconian on December 06, 2022, 05:31:41 PM
My left brain realized that my right brain is turning 40 in a few months so it dialed back the prefrontal cortex a few notches. :lol:
I was going to say that I shouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched, but the dealership just called and said that I got the car. It should arrive the day after Christmas. "Great buy" is a bit debatable because I did pay over MSRP. :mask: The best time to buy is probably when supply and demand even out better. It took me 3 hours of calling dealerships to find this one, which is a 2 hour drive to my college town.. every other place was around $6k over MSRP plus a 3-6 month wait, which is just ridiculous.
Congratulations!
Quote from: Laconian on December 06, 2022, 05:31:41 PM
My left brain realized that my right brain is turning 40 in a few months so it dialed back the prefrontal cortex a few notches. :lol:
I was going to say that I shouldn't count my chickens before they're hatched, but the dealership just called and said that I got the car. It should arrive the day after Christmas. "Great buy" is a bit debatable because I did pay over MSRP. :mask: The best time to buy is probably when supply and demand even out better. It took me 3 hours of calling dealerships to find this one, which is a 2 hour drive to my college town.. every other place was around $6k over MSRP plus a 3-6 month wait, which is just ridiculous.
I was going to mention you probably are in the minority, trying to buy an EV with no EV credit, but yeah, you're probably well outside the income limits anyways :lol:
When I encounter EV owners I always ask them if they're happy with the choice, whether they'd do it again & what problems they've had. Possibly some post-purchase rationalization going on but the answers are always pretty much the same: they universally love them, have had no problems, & would buy again.
The shortcomings noted in magazine & YouTuber road tests just don't emerge for 99% of drivers; they're not shredding expensive summer tires, pulling 1.03g in corners, or running batteries down to zero.
There's probably some survivor bias going on. They seem to work beautifully for a certain segment of the population. But for folks that rent, or live in an area that requires driving multiple hours at a time, they aren't a good fit. And they're on the pricey side. You're probably not going to be finding as many as those folks because they considered their needs and decided against going EV in the first place.
I really hope the Prius drives well and develops a cool cachet. It might be the car to beat for the superuser-but-not-EV-compatible use case. And if it raises the bar for hybrid performance, the next gen of hybridized ICEs could become a lot more interesting...
Quote from: Laconian on December 09, 2022, 12:39:57 PM
There's probably some survivor bias going on. They seem to work beautifully for a certain segment of the population. But for folks that rent, or live in an area that requires driving multiple hours at a time, they aren't a good fit. And they're on the pricey side. You're probably not going to be finding as many as those folks because they considered their needs and decided against going EV in the first place.
I really hope the Prius drives well and develops a cool cachet. It might be the car to beat for the superuser-but-not-EV-compatible use case. And if it raises the bar for hybrid performance, the next gen of hybridized ICEs could become a lot more interesting...
Especially that it is plug in, but IMO it's still weak on battery range - 38 miles. That's probably by design WRT the average short trip but still seems like it should be more - like 100 miles.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 09, 2022, 02:57:01 PM
Especially that it is plug in, but IMO it's still weak on battery range - 38 miles. That's probably by design WRT the average short trip but still seems like it should be more - like 100 miles.
At 4mi/kwh that's about 25kWh of battery, which is ~13 more than the upcoming Prius PHEV. 13kWh at $138 per kWh is +$1800. Definitely not a deal breaker in terms of price, but packaging is probably the bigger challenge. At 400Wh/L you have to contend with finding room for those 32.5L of extra batteries.
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 09, 2022, 09:08:44 AM
The shortcomings noted in magazine & YouTuber road tests just don't emerge for 99% of drivers; they're not shredding expensive summer tires, pulling 1.03g in corners, or running batteries down to zero.
What are you talking about. The vast majority of people are concerned with only two things with an EV...its range and its charging, and that includes reviewers. Range is so critical, especially if one doesn't have easy access to fast charging.
I can drive 3 minutes to the gas station and fill up my truck in another 5 minutes. If I had an EV, I'd have to drive 15 minutes away to a charger and sit there for another half hour (at least), and drive back home. An hour+ trip just to get a few days of driving? Fuck that.
Not to mention that range is severely hampered (upwards of 40%) by anything even resembling legitimately cold temperatures. Another big no-go.
There are only three things that are keeping people from EVs and it has nothing to do with shredding tires or pulling g's: Price, charging, and range.
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 09, 2022, 04:35:04 PM
There are only three things that are keeping people from EVs and it has nothing to do with shredding tires or pulling g's: Price, charging, and range.
All of that is true. EVs are amazing for some use cases, impractical for others. Hybrid's probably the best way to go forward. There is a broad spectrum of different implementations and price points. A good and cheap hybrid solution could get Europe off its addiction to lil' engines with turbos and cut down on urban pollution.
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2022, 03:38:34 PM
All of that is true. EVs are amazing for some use cases, impractical for others. Hybrid's probably the best way to go forward. There is a broad spectrum of different implementations and price points. A good and cheap hybrid solution could get Europe off its addiction to lil' engines with turbos and cut down on urban pollution.
100%. I'm all for EVs where it makes sense. But this constant narrative of pushing EVs everywhere just doesn't make sense for so many people (like me...and everybody else living in a rural environment that's cold as shit for 5 months a year...).
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 10, 2022, 04:30:35 PM
100%. I'm all for EVs where it makes sense. But this constant narrative of pushing EVs everywhere just doesn't make sense for so many people (like me...and everybody else living in a rural environment that's cold as shit for 5 months a year...).
Yeah I think the incentives are aligned more for max industry profit than ecological impact. We should put more money into hybrids and less into full BEVs. But honestly if we wanted to really drive down our transportation carbon footprint via incentives, we should also subsidize ebikes with some minor strings attached (e.g. you must use it a minimum of X miles or Y times over the course of a year in order to qualify for a writeoff). A tiny 1kWh battery can provide a TON of mobility to a single occupant. It would make people healthier too; studies show that ebike riding is actually a valid form of exercise, especially for older people, since it engages and uses balance muscles that normally atrophy in our lifestyle of moving from couch to couch.
So are you trading in the Miata or Subaru?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 10, 2022, 05:55:42 PM
So are you trading in the Miata or Subaru?
Childhood best friend is going to buy the Outback off us.
Miata will stay. Are there insurance providers that make it easy to flip on and off coverage with little notice?
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2022, 06:28:56 PM
Childhood best friend is going to buy the Outback off us.
Miata will stay. Are there insurance providers that make it easy to flip on and off coverage with little notice?
Hagerty will do that for classics- or more correctly switch between "storage" and "active" insurance. They have age limits though.
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2022, 05:38:35 PM
Yeah I think the incentives are aligned more for max industry profit than ecological impact. We should put more money into hybrids and less into full BEVs. But honestly if we wanted to really drive down our transportation carbon footprint via incentives, we should also subsidize ebikes with some minor strings attached (e.g. you must use it a minimum of X miles or Y times over the course of a year in order to qualify for a writeoff). A tiny 1kWh battery can provide a TON of mobility to a single occupant. It would make people healthier too; studies show that ebike riding is actually a valid form of exercise, especially for older people, since it engages and uses balance muscles that normally atrophy in our lifestyle of moving from couch to couch.
lol. Ebikes. Literally the same push as EVs, literally the same useless-ness in inclement weather. Such a fucking stupid idea as far as commuting goes in rural areas.
And by rural I mean that probably 10k+ people per day move between my town and to/from the "big city" that's 10+ miles away...US-41. You literally are not legally allowed to be a nerd on a stupid ass scooter on the shoulder. Dumb as fuck, man. EVs make no sense here.
You want a scooter lane on your road, causing even more congestion?
Also, my shop is close to a busy intersection...I have seen first-hand multiple times that older/elderly people really should not be on electric bikes. It's terrifying watching them try to balance and figure out how a "throttle" works, they can't even handle it.
Ebikes with throttles :rage:
The US does a poor job of regulating ebikes IMO. It's the wild west here. You can get kilowatt motor bikes that go 60mph here. Stupid.
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2022, 10:24:00 PM
Ebikes with throttles :rage:
The US does a poor job of regulating ebikes IMO. It's the wild west here. You can get kilowatt motor bikes that go 60mph here. Stupid.
They should be regulated just like mopeds. A moped under 50cc is not (factory) capable of speeds greater than 30-35mph and just requires a drivers license and a cheap registration sticker. Anything over 50cc that can do real speed requires a plate and insurance.
The best e-bikes are the ones where you MUST pedal and are assist cuts out at certain speed, AND the bike shop makes sure they say they'll wear a helmet and follow traffic laws like cars...
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 11, 2022, 02:17:32 PM
The best e-bikes are the ones where you MUST pedal and are assist cuts out at certain speed, AND the bike shop makes sure they say they'll wear a helmet and follow traffic laws like cars...
All ebikes in Europe are like that. Some of them support "surge" power for hills but they will back off after a while and stay below 15mph.
The wobbly boomers on ebikes are bad enough, but I'm seeing zoomers on massive ebikes, using their phones and even looking at the fucking gravel path, zipping by at 25mph.
Quote from: Laconian on December 11, 2022, 03:11:17 PM
All ebikes in Europe are like that. Some of them support "surge" power for hills but they will back off after a while and stay below 15mph.
The wobbly boomers on ebikes are bad enough, but I'm seeing zoomers on massive ebikes, using their phones and even looking at the fucking gravel path, zipping by at 25mph.
I think it was Simon Cowell who took a nasty fall on an electric scooter- bikes are more stable but still produce plenty of broken collarbones and wrists, in addition to road rash, concussions, and even fatalities-
even without the added electric boost...
Sedentary lifestyles are risky too...
Where I commute to work in NYC, the ebikers ignore traffic lights and often don't have headlights or don't use them. Never seen any of them get cited by traffic cops either. Probably not worth their time or aggravation in NYC.
Quote from: veeman on December 12, 2022, 06:42:29 AM
Where I commute to work in NYC, the ebikers ignore traffic lights and often don't have headlights or don't use them. Never seen any of them get cited by traffic cops either. Probably not worth their time or aggravation in NYC.
Rules of the road are only for smelly ordinary people.
Quote from: Laconian on December 09, 2022, 03:24:17 PM
At 4mi/kwh that's about 25kWh of battery, which is ~13 more than the upcoming Prius PHEV. 13kWh at $138 per kWh is +$1800. Definitely not a deal breaker in terms of price, but packaging is probably the bigger challenge. At 400Wh/L you have to contend with finding room for those 32.5L of extra batteries.
And it doesn't scale linearly either, sadly. As you add more batteries for more range, you can considerable more weight. It's a diminishing return. Keep packing that Prius with more plug-in range, and next thing you know, you've got the Hummer EV :lol:
EV6 delivery is on the 26th, but I'm having the dealer get the car front vinyl wrapped first. So maybe 27th or 28th.
We're very excited! For me, the EV6 and Ioniq5 have been the most compelling cars of the past 5-10 years. Hard to believe I might DD one. :mask:
Nice Christmas present. Congratulations.
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
but does it have color :hmm:
Is it here yet?
Pics when it arrives pls. Are you all set with the garage electrics?
Holy shit, I didn't realize the GT model (the 546 hp one) is only $61,600??? :confused: I figured it was going to be $70k. Shame I don't fit in them.
Maybe there will be an Ioniq 5 N? Big fender flares and fat tires to look like a retro-future rally car :rockon:
Yeah it's a 3k premium over the GT line.
You give up a lot of range and some creature comforts, like power seats.
Quote from: Laconian on January 07, 2023, 12:30:43 PM
Yeah it's a 3k premium over the GT line.
You give up a lot of range and some creature comforts, like power seats.
46 miles of range for an extra 200 hp? Worth it.
Quote from: MrH on January 07, 2023, 12:35:38 PM
46 miles of range for an extra 200 hp? Worth it.
Considering that some of that battery capacity is basically off limits for longevity reasons, it puts the useful range of the car below the buy threshold.
Delivery keeps getting delayed and the Outback's registration has lapsed. The Miata is now the winter DD until the EV6 arrives. :mask:
Cross your fingers for an arrival on the 20th!
Quote from: Laconian on January 13, 2023, 08:08:14 PM
Delivery keeps getting delayed and the Outback's registration has lapsed. The Miata is now the winter DD until the EV6 arrives. :mask:
Cross your fingers for an arrival on the 20th!
LOL good luck
The EV6 finally arrived at the dealer. So total delay was about a month. PPF is getting applied on Monday, and then I should be driving it home by Tuesday!
:dance:
Here it is!
Quote from: Laconian on January 27, 2023, 03:17:54 PM
Here it is!
:ohyeah:
(I have an OCD-type maintenance log of the cars I've owned. 12.4 years since the G was delivered to 1st owner. Wallet pressure building.)
Love the color.
Color!!!!
As for the Miata: I think I'll keep it for now on. It seems like a worthy complement to a fun-but-porky EV small SUV.
Quote from: Laconian on January 27, 2023, 03:44:43 PM
As for the Miata: I think I'll keep it for now on. It seems like a worthy complement to a fun-but-porky EV small SUV.
I have to agree with that :lol:
Swoopy.
But nice.
I hadn't seen those before but that's gorgeous!
Looks great! Love the blue!
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 27, 2023, 04:43:15 PM
Swoopy.
But nice.
I think it looks like a bit like a Lancia Stratos, especially with the chunky D pillar and how the rake of the windshield meets the short hood.
Quote from: Laconian on January 27, 2023, 03:44:43 PM
As for the Miata: I think I'll keep it for now on. It seems like a worthy complement to a fun-but-porky EV small SUV.
Plus when there's a moratorium on EV charging next summer because of electric grid instability during a month long heat wave, you will have something to drive :thumbsup:
Nice car man. Congratulations!
Thinking about getting one of these for road trips. Could be very useful for AirBNB rentals. It offers L2 and L1 charging in a compact package that can be stashed under the loading floor.
https://ev-lectron.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/lectron-level-1-level-2-portable-j1772-ev-charger-16-amp-32-amp-with-dual-charging-plugs-nema-5-15-14-50-compatible-with-all-j1772-evs-white
A 12-hr overnight stay with an L1 plug at an AirBNB is +72 miles of range. If I could unplug a dryer to get at a 240V outlet then it would be back to full within 9 hours at worst.
Congrats. :ohyeah:
I saw one home charger workaround which had two standard-issue 120V NEMA 5-15 plugs on its split-Y cable. All you had to do was plug them into two regular outlets, each on a different phase leg. Hey presto 240V.
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 28, 2023, 02:48:20 PM
I saw one home charger workaround which had two standard-issue 120V NEMA 5-15 plugs on its split-Y cable. All you had to do was plug them into two regular outlets, each on a different phase leg. Hey presto 240V.
That would be pretty effective, if you know they're on different breakers.
Quote from: Laconian on January 28, 2023, 01:17:50 PM
Thinking about getting one of these for road trips. Could be very useful for AirBNB rentals. It offers L2 and L1 charging in a compact package that can be stashed under the loading floor.
https://ev-lectron.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/lectron-level-1-level-2-portable-j1772-ev-charger-16-amp-32-amp-with-dual-charging-plugs-nema-5-15-14-50-compatible-with-all-j1772-evs-white
A 12-hr overnight stay with an L1 plug at an AirBNB is +72 miles of range. If I could unplug a dryer to get at a 240V outlet then it would be back to full within 9 hours at worst.
I think new Bolts come with something similar. Mine only came with a L1 portable charger, L1+L2 is much nicer. Although I wouldn't have my hopes up for finding the correct NEMA 240V outlet on a roadtrip.
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 28, 2023, 02:48:20 PM
I saw one home charger workaround which had two standard-issue 120V NEMA 5-15 plugs on its split-Y cable. All you had to do was plug them into two regular outlets, each on a different phase leg. Hey presto 240V.
From
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/266647/taking-two-120-volt-outlets-and-combining-into-240-volts
This "solution" is so wrong on so many levels it is hard to know where to start. The solution shown is practically DESIGNED to both electrocute you AND burn down your house. Absolutely NOT RECOMMENDED in any way, shape or form.
This wasn't the gadget I'd originally seen reviewed but this is the same idea. There's no way the outlets in my garage are on different legs in the panel so the use case for this seems minimal. Way too much work.
https://youtu.be/BEyOZ842Tzs
Sweet!
This, or the 3/Y would be my choice
Quote from: mzziaz on January 29, 2023, 08:01:22 AM
Sweet!
This, or the 3/Y would be my choice
Both the 3 and the Y are way, way, WAY too common here. I've spotted five white Model Ys driving in a line on the freeway.
Model Ts of EVs. Maybe they'll expand the palette some day (up their lame paint game first).
(https://i.postimg.cc/zB7v7Gzm/Dark-Cherry.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on January 29, 2023, 06:38:29 PM
Both the 3 and the Y are way, way, WAY too common here. I've spotted five white Model Ys driving in a line on the freeway.
The 3/Y has become the Bay Area Camry. There are at least 4 on my block.
Too bad Nissan didn't capitalize. Coulda been a Bay Leaf club
I'm feeling vicarious excitement for Kevin's big day tomorrow.
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 30, 2023, 07:09:01 AM
Model Ts of EVs. Maybe they'll expand the palette some day (up their lame paint game first).
I blame Tesla's pricing structure more than the cars themselves. They charge extra for interesting colors. White Model 3/Y's are the door buster special.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2023, 11:55:37 AM
I blame Tesla's pricing structure more than the cars themselves. They charge extra for interesting colors. White Model 3/Y's are the door buster special.
And ordering online instead of picking a car from the lot. A lot of OEMs charge extra for cooler colors, but it's not as noticeable when you just wander around the lot vs. clearly see a price difference on the online configurator.
Less heat build up in the summer means less cooling load and more miles
Quote from: r0tor on January 30, 2023, 12:05:04 PM
Less heat build up in the summer means less cooling load and more miles
Not a valid point in my climate. :lol:
I have learned that the ND Miata's white paint weighs less than the other colors. It's the one to get if you really want the lightest car possible
That must surely be the reason for so many white Teslas, then :hmm: :lol:
Quote from: afty on January 30, 2023, 09:51:27 AM
The 3/Y has become the Bay Area Camry. There are at least 4 on my block.
Absolutely! I said before that they were the new BMW, because it feels like the asshole antics are all done by Teslas. But now I think they're the new Camry because the cars doing the most absentminded, doddering antics are all Teslas now. Riding the brakes at 5 under the limit. Slowing or stopping on a busy street for no reason. Slowing to 30mph to negotiate a moderate freeway offramp curve. Signaling two miles in advance. Poking into a DO NOT ENTER street before - yep - stopping in the middle of the street. All the tech noob driver shit that used to be the exclusive domain of Camrys.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2023, 01:15:54 PM
That must surely be the reason for so many white Teslas, then :hmm: :lol:
Absolutely! I said before that they were the new BMW, because it feels like the asshole antics are all done by Teslas. But now I think they're the new Camry because the cars doing the most absentminded, doddering antics are all Teslas now. Riding the brakes at 5 under the limit. Slowing or stopping on a busy street for no reason. Slowing to 30mph to negotiate a moderate freeway offramp curve. Signaling two miles in advance. Poking into a DO NOT ENTER street before - yep - stopping in the middle of the street. All the tech noob driver shit that used to be the exclusive domain of Camrys.
How much of that is caused by the drivers and how much is caused by the "full self-driving" fucking up and putting noob drivers into a situation they have no idea how to handle... :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 30, 2023, 01:02:00 PM
I have learned that the ND Miata's white paint weighs less than the other colors. It's the one to get if you really want the lightest car possible
Depends on the source of the pigment for the color. On a car...I have to imagine the difference is negligible, but gram counters be gram counting.
Edit: I also suppose metallic vs. non-metallic would make a difference, as well.
I don't know what cars things are anymore. What is an EV6, and why would it get got?
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2023, 01:15:54 PM
That must surely be the reason for so many white Teslas, then :hmm: :lol:
Absolutely! I said before that they were the new BMW, because it feels like the asshole antics are all done by Teslas. But now I think they're the new Camry because the cars doing the most absentminded, doddering antics are all Teslas now. Riding the brakes at 5 under the limit. Slowing or stopping on a busy street for no reason. Slowing to 30mph to negotiate a moderate freeway offramp curve. Signaling two miles in advance. Poking into a DO NOT ENTER street before - yep - stopping in the middle of the street. All the tech noob driver shit that used to be the exclusive domain of Camrys.
You're exactly describing the legions of Lexus RX drivers around here. Drives me fucking nuts.
They could never cope with a Tesla - all that spastic exaggerated screen swiping.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 30, 2023, 02:25:24 PM
I don't know what cars things are anymore. What is an EV6, and why would it get got?
EV6 is vroomy thing that no make vroomy noise. It gotted got because wageslave trade life for paper and then paper for EV6
Is it gotted or waiting at a charger to get home?
It's getting PPF'd now.
Ready for pickup tomorrow, but I think it might have to wait for Wednesday. Dealer is a 90 mile drive away and my husband has a busy day tomorrow.
F it, we're getting it tomorrow :rage:
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2023, 03:43:59 PM
EV6 is vroomy thing that no make vroomy noise. It gotted got because wageslave trade life for paper and then paper for EV6
yes i understood nao
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2023, 03:43:59 PM
EV6 is vroomy thing that no make vroomy noise. It gotted got because wageslave trade life for paper and then paper for EV6
:lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 30, 2023, 01:46:31 PM
Depends on the source of the pigment for the color. On a car...I have to imagine the difference is negligible, but gram counters be gram counting.
Edit: I also suppose metallic vs. non-metallic would make a difference, as well.
The metallic ND Miata paints are multiple layers, unlike the white. Apparently that is enough to add multiple pounds to the car.
Pounds worth spending. I love the Mazda metal flake paints, even if they are a repair shop nightmare. :lol:
Getting the car today! Will get a cashier's check after I'm done with my coffee and #2. This is my busy life without a job.
Got it! I rode back in the Miata with earplugs and my husband wafted in the EV6 on L2 assist.
:cheers:
That was a long trip. 3.5 hours of MX-5 on the interstate, my ears are still ringing from the roadnoise.
After we got arrived I grabbed the keys and romped around for 30 miles. Man this car is AWESOME! The test drives didn't give me a chance to appreciate just how well this car handles, but sheesh, it really knows how to impress if you throw it into some corners!
en garage. The roof of the car is actually lower than it looks in pictures. It's much more of a station wagon than it is an SUV.
What a great looking car. What's your charging situation?
Awesome - Congrats Kevin. Loving the color (& Mrs Minor loves it too.) :cheers:
Congratulations, Kevin! I love the color!
Did you get an L2 charger installed in your garage?
Looking good
The color is awesome. I was strongly considering one until I realized I didn't fit.
You got the GT Line??? I thought you were getting a Wind model or something? So this is the 320 hp, AWD model, correct?
Such interesting design features. I keep looking at the rear end, which is quite busy, but I find it appealing.
Great colour choice.
Excellent set of cars!
Thanks! Yes, it's a GT-line AWD. Interior is black Alacantra with white stitching and contrast panels.
Currently there is no charging situation. :lol: The car will hang out for a bit until we get something in place, whether the solution be permanent or stopgap. I don't want to DCFC it unnecessarily.
We have an Emporia 48A (11.5kW) L2 charger in a box, but haven't had a chance to get it installed yet. The delivery date was a bolt out of the blue. And the car didn't come with an L1 charger, which was some dumb new cost cutting change as of mid 2022. My neighbor recently put in an L2 charger for their BMW 540e, so I'll get her old charger for a few days as a stopgap. Once the L2 is installed the car should be brought up to full in about six hours. I called the power company and switched our power mix from solar to 100% hydro which will save us a lot of money given our anticipated future energy usage while still cutting emissions.
Gotta figure out where I'm going to get my PPF installed. The entire staff of the auto salon that was going to do the job is down with COVID.
Do you have any L3 chargers nearby? I'm seeing Electrify America chargers popping up everywhere here in SV. It's interesting, they seem to be installing a small number of chargers at many locations. Whereas Tesla installs 10+ chargers in a few places.
Yeah. All the Kroger owned stores have L3 chargers, it seems.
I'll figure something out to tide us over. :lol:
I wish Smiths (the local Kroger owned store) had L3 chargers. I know of one fancier grocery store by my in-laws that has free L3, which is awesome for charging while shopping.
I can picture your Bolt taking dainty 30kW sips from the 350kW firehose...
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 01, 2023, 06:46:33 PM
I wish Smiths (the local Kroger owned store) had L3 chargers. I know of one fancier grocery store by my in-laws that has free L3, which is awesome for charging while shopping.
The wegmans near us and the local mall have free L2 chargers and a couple of paid DC fast chargers. I have never been able to use the L2 chargers because they're always occupied.
Quote from: heelntoe on February 01, 2023, 09:17:22 PM
The wegmans near us and the local mall have free L2 chargers and a couple of paid DC fast chargers. I have never been able to use the L2 chargers because they're always occupied.
Same here, the Safeway up the street from me and the local Target each have a couple of free L2 chargers, but they're always in use. Whole Foods has probably 30 L2 chargers, and 4 of them are free for some reason. At first they were always open, but recently people have discovered it and the free ones are now always in use :(
Borrowing an L1 charger from my neighbor. LOL
If you have any friendly Tesla neighbors (or Tesla chargers at grocery stores etc) you could use one of these: https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tesla-to-j1772-adapter/
Quote from: Laconian on February 01, 2023, 11:11:24 PM
Borrowing an L1 charger from my neighbor. LOL
Could you imagine if you had something like a Hummer or Ford Lightning... Probably talking a week
Quote from: Morris Minor on February 02, 2023, 01:40:44 AM
If you have any friendly Tesla neighbors (or Tesla chargers at grocery stores etc) you could use one of these: https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tesla-to-j1772-adapter/
The kind neighbor who let us borrow the L1 also told me where their hide-a-key is, so that I could let myself in and hook my car up to their L2 while they're at work. 3 hours 'til full. Now we're talking! Once I have a surplus the L1 will suffice until the L2 arrives and is installed. We were planning to have this done in advance, but we were really thrown off balance by my recent layoff.
Quote from: Laconian on February 02, 2023, 11:22:38 AM
The kind neighbor who let us borrow the L1 also told me where their hide-a-key is, so that I could let myself in and hook my car up to their L2 while they're at work. 3 hours 'til full. Now we're talking! Once I have a surplus the L1 will suffice until the L2 arrives and is installed. We were planning to have this done in advance, but we were really thrown off balance by my recent layoff.
Sounds like a lovely neighbor. If you're getting an outlet installed make sure the electrician installs a decent one.
https://youtu.be/aTVm8Bt_YUw
Quote from: Morris Minor on February 02, 2023, 12:13:52 PM
Sounds like a lovely neighbor. If you're getting an outlet installed make sure the electrician installs a decent one.
https://youtu.be/aTVm8Bt_YUw
We're going to get wired straight to the breaker panel. Plugs can't be used if you go as high as 48A.
Quote from: Laconian on January 31, 2023, 07:21:33 PM
Got it! I rode back in the Miata with earplugs and my husband wafted in the EV6 on L2 assist.
FINALLY!
I was excited to see it. Pics look great!
The latest OTA update added EXCLUSIVE new sounds from the guy responsible for the soundtrack of Parasite and Squid Game! What's next, a holographic BTS concert on the AR HUD?
:lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 31, 2023, 10:04:07 PM
That was a long trip. 3.5 hours of MX-5 on the interstate, my ears are still ringing from the roadnoise.
After we got arrived I grabbed the keys and romped around for 30 miles. Man this car is AWESOME! The test drives didn't give me a chance to appreciate just how well this car handles, but sheesh, it really knows how to impress if you throw it into some corners!
Congratulations! It looks sweet
It looked like our local Kia dealership has multiple EV6s in stock on the lot right now. I think they're all Wind models though, no GTs
The car has way too many options, knobs, and toggles.
One interesting discovery is the auto regeneration mode. The car will dynamically adjust the level of regeneration based on traffic ahead, the slope you're on, the speed versus the current limit, and the navigation route (if set). If there is no need to decelerate, the front motor is disengaged to reduce friction. It's well implemented. The car is noticeably more efficient (+15%) yet fairly invisible at the same time.
Wait those things can go invisible??
Whoops, edit fail. I meant the mode is invisible :lol:
The car's still amazing. I can't get over how fast and refined it is. The stress of dealing with traffic are so much lower with the extremely quiet ride. It's not just the fact that there's no engine noise, it's also because Kia just did a really good job of sound insulation overall. I've never owned a Lexus or Mercedes so this is really my first taste of "luxury" ride quality. The TSX doesn't count; it was still a Honda at heart. :lol:
My only gripe is that the instrument cluster is mounted too low for my seating position. I have to lower my head in order to see it through the steering wheel. The HUD makes up for it somewhat, but conveniences such as the blindspot cameras aren't very useful because I can't see them very easily.
Quote from: Laconian on February 11, 2023, 12:49:32 PM
The car's still amazing. I can't get over how fast and refined it is. The stress of dealing with traffic are so much lower with the extremely quiet ride. It's not just the fact that there's no engine noise, it's also because Kia just did a really good job of sound insulation overall. I've never owned a Lexus or Mercedes so this is really my first taste of "luxury" ride quality. The TSX doesn't count; it was still a Honda at heart. :lol:
My only gripe is that the instrument cluster is mounted too low for my seating position. I have to lower my head in order to see it through the steering wheel. The HUD makes up for it somewhat, but conveniences such as the blindspot cameras aren't very useful because I can't see them very easily.
I've heard this from others, i.e. that EVs are so much more relaxing to drive - less exhausting. Noise is tiring: without being aware of it we burn a lot of brain CPU cycles filtering it out.
Manufacturers have to work extra hard with EVs because there's no noise maker under the hood anymore masking NVH shortcomings. The crutch has been kicked away.
Quote from: Morris Minor on February 11, 2023, 02:32:12 PM
I've heard this from others, i.e. that EVs are so much more relaxing to drive - less exhausting. Noise is tiring: without being aware of it we burn a lot of brain CPU cycles filtering it out.
Manufacturers have to work extra hard with EVs because there's no noise maker under the hood anymore masking NVH shortcomings. The crutch has been kicked away.
It sounds like most EVs have done well with NVH except Tesla. They're the only cars I hear complaints about
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 11, 2023, 08:33:29 PM
It sounds like most EVs have done well with NVH except Tesla. They're the only cars I hear complaints about
They now have laminated acoustic glass, & are allegedly better than they were. But my guess is the glass roofs are an NVH handicap - resonating & reflecting rather than damping & insulating.
I read that the suspension of the MY and M3 is tuned very stiffly.
Installed a dashcam in the EV6. The car has a billion cameras, and in some countries you can use them as recording cameras, but not in the USA for some reason! The install was actually super tidy because I used this Dongar adapter that lets me splice 5V from the rear view camera power hookup. https://dongar.tech/collections/adapters . The camera is a Viofo V119 PRO 4k. It cost around $120, is roughly as compact as a toll bridge transponder, and has an extremely basic feature set. That's great. I don't want yet another LCD hanging out in my field of vision.
I really do wish I could use the EV6's cameras instead though, grr... :rage:
Also, Lane Keep Assist needs to warn the driver when it bails. The only indication of that happening is that a green icon turns white... that, and the car starts continuing straight into the oncoming lane around a bend. I respect that it is very conservative at how much steering it's willing to do, but it seems dangerous that the driver is not better informed about the transition.
Nice. I need to get a new dashcam, the Miata's cheap $45 one seems to be on the fritz. It's too bad it doesn't have a dimming mirror for that type of dongle, that's a slick set up.
Here's what it looks like.
Some more bonus points for basic design:
The camera needs to function well without an app. I don't want the camera to go obsolete when the manufacturer goes bankrupt or otherwise just stops paying attention to app development. You can plug the camera into your phone or just eject the SD card and read it that way.
The camera should only run on the car power and NOT have a lithium ion battery. Another thing that can die an early death and potentially create a fire hazard for the car. It has a built in supercapacitor which is used to gracefully flush the buffers on power loss.
Nice. Having a dashcam is easy peace of mind.
I had one that had WiFi and an app...the app was garbage and finicky. The camera lasted about 6 months. So I spent the same amount of money for one that didn't have an app or Wifi or any of that stuff. Much, much better.
I'm sure the apps for some of the more expensive, name-brand dashcams (Garmin, etc.) are probably far better, but for the cheaper $100-150 random cameras...eh, not worth it.
The apps might be better for now, but nobody's going to be grinding out updates for a camera that's branded EOL.
The warning for lane keep assist losing the plot is an interesting one. You want to alert the driver, but not be so loud obnoxious & frequent that people just shut off the alarm or never use the feature in the first place. A gentle buzz of the steering wheel in there somewhere maybe?
Quote from: Morris Minor on February 20, 2023, 12:44:22 PM
The warning for lane keep assist losing the plot is an interesting one. You want to alert the driver, but not be so loud obnoxious & frequent that people just shut off the alarm or never use the feature in the first place. A gentle buzz of the steering wheel in there somewhere maybe?
When the Tesla loses the lane markers, the screen flashes red, there's a loud alert, and it tells you to take control immediately. That feels like the right level of alert to me, considering the alternative is for the car to start drifting out of its lane.
Quote from: Morris Minor on February 20, 2023, 12:44:22 PM
The warning for lane keep assist losing the plot is an interesting one. You want to alert the driver, but not be so loud obnoxious & frequent that people just shut off the alarm or never use the feature in the first place. A gentle buzz of the steering wheel in there somewhere maybe?
Taco has lane departure assist...turned it off immediately. Rumble strips are enough for me. Or I just...y'know...pay attention.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 20, 2023, 01:03:54 PM
Taco has lane departure assist...turned it off immediately. Rumble strips are enough for me. Or I just...y'know...pay attention.
I could see it being useful on a long road trip, in case you start to drift. But otherwise I've never liked it on the rental cars I've driven with it (Kia and Toyota). Radar cruise control is enough automation for me.
Quote from: Laconian on February 20, 2023, 11:30:01 AM
The camera should only run on the car power and NOT have a lithium ion battery. Another thing that can die an early death and potentially create a fire hazard for the car. It has a built in supercapacitor which is used to gracefully flush the buffers on power loss.
I think the capacitor is what's failing on mine. :(
Noooooooooo! Capacitor, you were the chosen one!
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 20, 2023, 01:23:23 PM
I could see it being useful on a long road trip, in case you start to drift. But otherwise I've never liked it on the rental cars I've driven with it (Kia and Toyota). Radar cruise control is enough automation for me.
Yeah, I suppose it could be handy on a really long drive.
And, yes. I absolutely love radar cruise control.
Supervised lane keeping definitely reduces fatigue on long trips, I've noticed that.
I think I'm going to get a Garmin dash cam mini 2. No screen, very simple. It has an app, but it all works via microSD too, so it should be fine.
Quote from: MrH on February 20, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
I think I'm going to get a Garmin dash cam mini 2. No screen, very simple. It has an app, but it all works via microSD too, so it should be fine.
Been considering that one as well. I have my old one from the old Taco and it works just fine...been too lazy to install it, so my brain is like "just buy a new one, then you'll be excited about installing it and actually do it." lol
Quote from: MrH on February 20, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
I think I'm going to get a Garmin dash cam mini 2. No screen, very simple. It has an app, but it all works via microSD too, so it should be fine.
I'm looking at the Garmin dash cam 57. I think I like having the screen vs. using an app.
I'll have to do a bit more comparison shopping between Garmin, Viofo, Vantrue, etc. Mine is a Campark, I think. Not on Amazon anymore, they were purged a couple of years ago along with some other brands.
I want a camera to be a set and forget kind of affair so a screen seems superfluous.
VIOFO A139 PRO looks nice. Expensive (same as the Garmin 57), but I think it has the best image sensor on the market.
Quote from: Laconian on February 21, 2023, 04:24:36 PM
I want a camera to be a set and forget kind of affair so a screen seems superfluous.
Same. I just want to pull video from it if there's a crash or someone does something stupid.
Why are they still using micro USB for power? :wtf:
Here's an acceleration clip with organic, unadulterated motor noise:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/w7dUWiPxm1ZwdgFD9
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 21, 2023, 04:28:50 PM
VIOFO A139 PRO looks nice. Expensive (same as the Garmin 57), but I think it has the best image sensor on the market.
I just got one delivered. It uses USB C!
I get the same overall efficiency whether I waft in ECO mode or drive like a prick in SPORT. Always 3.0mi/kWh. This is pretty great, it's basically big power for free. My Infiniti punished me whenever I drove with a lead foot.
Quote from: Laconian on March 01, 2023, 06:34:00 PM
I get the same overall efficiency whether I waft in ECO mode or drive like a prick in SPORT. Always 3.0mi/kWh. This is pretty great, it's basically big power for free. My Infiniti punished me whenever I drove with a lead foot.
So...what's the point of it even having an ECO mode if it doesn't do anything.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 01, 2023, 07:12:31 PM
So...what's the point of it even having an ECO mode if it doesn't do anything.
It makes the tree huggers feel all warm and fuzzy
Probably used to eke out a couple dozen extra miles on a long road trip. But in my stop and go suburban hell it makes no difference.
Makes sense, right? Electric motors have the same efficiency no matter how hard you push them. Feels good man.
Quote from: afty on March 01, 2023, 11:00:07 PM
Makes sense, right? Electric motors have the same efficiency no matter how hard you push them. Feels good man.
Yeah, although if you floor it all the time you'll spend more time at higher mph, which needs more kW to sustain. But the total kWh needed to accelerate up to that speed is about the same whether you floor it or take it easy.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 02, 2023, 09:19:24 AM
Yeah, although if you floor it all the time you'll spend more time at higher mph, which needs more kw to sustain. But the total kw needed to accelerate up to that speed is about the same whether you floor it or take it easy.
Yes, higher mph = more kW but point of correction: more acceleration = more kW.
Quote from: GoCougs on March 02, 2023, 04:16:51 PM
point of correction: more acceleration = more kW.
The second part of my previous post should really say the total kWh instead of kW. If you're accelerating to the same speed, it seems like the total kWh used isn't that much more for faster acceleration. You're using a lot more kW but for less time. Say, 40 kW for a 2-3 seconds instead of 20 kW for 4-6 seconds. It'd be an interesting experiment with the right precise measurement tools.
Quote from: afty on March 01, 2023, 11:00:07 PM
Makes sense, right? Electric motors have the same efficiency no matter how hard you push them. Feels good man.
Actually, the hotter an electric motors gets the less efficient it becomes (as a conductor (motor winding(s)) heats up, resistance increases, and power is lost as heat = efficiency loss).
Quote from: GoCougs on March 02, 2023, 04:38:03 PM
Actually, the hotter an electric motors gets the less efficient it becomes (as a conductor (motor winding(s)) heats up, resistance increases, and power is lost as heat = efficiency loss).
Guessing that heat is used elsewhere when appropriate.
Quote from: GoCougs on March 02, 2023, 04:38:03 PM
Actually, the hotter an electric motors gets the less efficient it becomes (as a conductor (motor winding(s)) heats up, resistance increases, and power is lost as heat = efficiency loss).
Eh, a few seconds of heavy load isn't going to really move the needle.
Got a nice photo
:rockon:
Nicely composed shot - it's good to get light like that. Hope you don't mind tweaked it a bit.
It looks like it came from the water.
Quote from: afty on March 01, 2023, 11:00:07 PM
Makes sense, right? Electric motors have the same efficiency no matter how hard you push them. Feels good man.
This is like saying that the rear differential in my truck has the same efficiency at transmitting power no matter what. It's essentially true, barring extreme circumstances. It's simply a cog in the wheel.
Batteries, on the other hand....the ICE of EVs....are terribly sensitive to load and temperature and their "efficiency" varies greatly. Just like ICE's, they have an optimal operating range when it comes to load and/or temperature. Just like an ICE, EV batteries have coolant systems to either warm or cool them, which saps energy from the very source, just like the serpentine belt of an ICE.
Batteries perform better as they get warmer up to a point, so maybe the occasional zip up an onramp is MORE efficient?
I saw Marcus Brownlee's review: he loved it - most performance fun you can have for the money. He was not so keen on the range.
https://youtu.be/gDD0H4aE5u0
He's correct that the GT trades some practicality for maximum fun, but I don't think Marcus gives Kia enough credit for delivering a ~600hp electric supercar with an air suspension at less than half the cost of a Taycan. That's a feat that really needs more enthusiasm and the tradeoffs (e.g. manual seats) need to be considered in that context. He lists a number of other EVs as more practical alternatives with greater range, but Kia also makes one - it's called the EV6 in literally every other trim. :lol:
A few other nits. Kia probably should've given Marcus a better tour of the car's features before handing over the keys.
* The spoiler is not exclusive to the GT, it's present in all models and it's actually built as an aerodynamic rear windshield wiper. In addition to providing downforce, it (supposedly) ducts wind along the glass and blows off standing water.
* @3:30 WTF? You don't have to go into the car to open the charge port. Just give the panel a solid push and it will pop open automatically on its own.
* What's this anecdote about the car not being built from the ground up to be electric? That's.. completely not true. The small "frunk" is due the hood being short and very low. For the most part you can't even see the trunk from the driving position - only the road ahead. It is a bit like the sedans during cab-forward mania of the mid 90's.
I do not understand the wireless keyfob logic on the EV6.
Sometimes it unlocks when you approach. Sometimes it doesn't! No way of knowing in advance. Sometimes it opens the tailgate when you stand behind the car. Sometimes it doesn't! It's not really a convenience if you can't count on it. Sometimes it locks the car when you leave, sometimes it doesn't! I have to press the lock button on the fob every time to be sure. The car is thoughtfully designed and incredibly complex but it is very bizarre how they flubbed the edge cases for something as basic as keyless entry logic.
Quote from: Laconian on March 15, 2023, 10:34:32 AM
I do not understand the wireless keyfob logic on the EV6.
Sometimes it unlocks when you approach. Sometimes it doesn't! No way of knowing in advance. Sometimes it opens the tailgate when you stand behind the car. Sometimes it doesn't! It's not really a convenience if you can't count on it. Sometimes it locks the car when you leave, sometimes it doesn't! I have to press the lock button on the fob every time to be sure. The car is thoughtfully designed and incredibly complex but it is very bizarre how they flubbed the edge cases for something as basic as keyless entry logic.
Sounds annoying, as is the case with any sort of feature that you can't 100% rely on working.
Maybe down the road it will become a known issue and they can fix it with an OTA update or something.
I've experienced similar things on many vehicles that I've worked on. Most notably, vehicles that have the "wave your foot under the rear bumper to open the tailgate because your hands are full and you can't be bothered to put something down for two seconds" feature. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Could be standing there waving your foot around for 10 seconds when you could've just put a bag down and pushed a button on your key fob.
It's very early days in the model cycle so bugs there be. Sounds like a fix they can roll into an OTA update.
I have no idea how to file a bug report with Hyundai Motor Corp, but I totally would if I could. Send some vehicle telemetry, I don't care.
Quote from: Laconian on March 15, 2023, 11:38:19 AM
I have no idea how to file a bug report with Hyundai Motor Corp, but I totally would if I could. Send some vehicle telemetry, I don't care.
Try their online chat?
Otherwise complain to dealership- enough people do the same and it becomes a thing. One-offs they don't care about.
(At least according to the Ford folks)
In my Model 3 I can give a voice command "Send feedback."
Quote from: afty on March 15, 2023, 11:33:25 PM
In my Model 3 I can give a voice command "Send feedback."
Do you have FSD? I'd heard they've introduced voice annotation of interventions on the latest version but did not know there was a general feedback option.
Quote from: Morris Minor on March 16, 2023, 02:18:35 PM
Do you have FSD? I'd heard they've introduced voice annotation of interventions on the latest version but did not know there was a general feedback option.
No, no FSD. I got the voice command wrong, it's actually "bug report."
There was an EV6 following me out of the community this morning, unmistakable & very distinctive - KIA's really got the styling right IMO. I like the EV9 too.
Quote from: afty on March 16, 2023, 03:28:50 PM
No, no FSD. I got the voice command wrong, it's actually "bug report."
I don't think Kia offers that. In general they seem to behind Tesla in terms of offering Internet-connected device functionality. I had to "OTA" the car with a thumb drive. :rage:
Quote from: Morris Minor on March 16, 2023, 08:01:27 PM
There was an EV6 following me out of the community this morning, unmistakable & very distinctive - KIA's really got the styling right IMO. I like the EV9 too.
The EV6 styling stole my heart from the second I saw it in a magazine. I showed it to my husband who gave a dismissive response but I think that was him trying to appear more erudite than he actually is. :lol: When we actually DROVE the car he did a 180 and now it's his favorite car in the world. What's really unusual about the EV6 is how the styling completely obfuscates the size of the car. In pictures and from a distance the car looks like a sporty small hatch. As you approach it sinks in just how long and wide the car actually is. The fenders and rear haunches are very prominent. The impression changes from "cute and sporty" to "shit, this thing's gonna pounce me".
Also I really enjoy the youthful low roofline. Even if it excludes Mike from the EV6 club.
The EV9 looks good for what it is, but "big 'n boxy SUV" is not really a segment that interests me.
Quote from: Laconian on March 16, 2023, 08:50:25 PM
"shit, this thing's gonna pounce me".
Great description - that's what the one I saw looked like in the mirror.
Quote from: Laconian on March 16, 2023, 08:50:25 PM
I don't think Kia offers that. In general they seem to behind Tesla in terms of offering Internet-connected device functionality. I had to "OTA" the car with a thumb drive. :rage:
The EV6 styling stole my heart from the second I saw it in a magazine. I showed it to my husband who gave a dismissive response but I think that was him trying to appear more erudite than he actually is. :lol: When we actually DROVE the car he did a 180 and now it's his favorite car in the world. What's really unusual about the EV6 is how the styling completely obfuscates the size of the car. In pictures and from a distance the car looks like a sporty small hatch. As you approach it sinks in just how long and wide the car actually is. The fenders and rear haunches are very prominent. The impression changes from "cute and sporty" to "shit, this thing's gonna pounce me".
Also I really enjoy the youthful low roofline. Even if it excludes Mike from the EV6 club.
The EV9 looks good for what it is, but "big 'n boxy SUV" is not really a segment that interests me.
:fogey:
Quote from: MrH on March 17, 2023, 07:50:06 AM
:fogey:
:lol:
(Mazda's "OTA" procedure for its infotainment. You download the update file from a sharing site set up by a rogue service technician in New Zealand. Put it on a USB flash drive. Do some strange button invocation to bring up the service menu, and install it from there. All the while shitting your kecks that you might be bricking the car.
Or you can go to the dealer and pay them $400 plus tax to do it)
Did you guys see the EV9 reveal? That thing is huge -- about the size of a Telluride! And doesn't look very aerodynamic. Range will likely be between 250-300 miles, and pricing $50-70k.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43316157/2024-kia-ev9-revealed/
I'd be curious to see the efficiency loss for every 5 mph over 65 mph in the EV9 vs. an EV6/Model 3/Bolt
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 17, 2023, 09:29:26 AM
I'd be curious to see the efficiency loss for every 5 mph over 65 mph in the EV9 vs. an EV6/Model 3/Bolt
Our addiction to the side-of-a-barn aerodynamics of SUVs collides with the current reality of EVs' battery storage density.
I predict the EV9 will sell like hotcakes. 50 to 70 grand is standard pricing for near luxury or even some luxury large 3 row SUVs and the gas hog stigma of them would be eliminated with this EV. This gets the well to do soccer mom a seat at the green cred table. There are currently no competitors in the EV world for large 3 row SUVs that don't cost over 100 grand.
This is what GM should have made instead of the two row similar cost Cadillac Lyric and over 100 grand GMC Hummer EV.
I agree, I think it's going to be a hit.
Quote from: veeman on March 17, 2023, 12:44:02 PM
This is what GM should have made instead of the two row similar cost Cadillac Lyric and over 100 grand GMC Hummer EV.
I think GM intentionally wanted to launch their new batteries in low-selling vehicles as they scale the production up. Although it is a bit surprising they haven't announced any future plans for a 3 row SUV yet, only the Blazer, Equinox, and Silverado so far.
The margins are in the big vehicles. Start off with those and use the profits to build out smaller & more affordable products, which is why Ford had the right idea in starting out with the F150 Lightning.
I'm surprised GM didn't kick off with an electric Silverado or Tahoe. Instead they started off with the opposite, the Bolt, which is a great vehicle but AFAIK is not profitable.
There is a chicken and egg effect though. Acceptance of EVs requires the existence of infrastructure and there isn't going to be much infrastructure built up to accommodate a few rich niche car buyers. The Bolt makes sense if you think of it as a demand primer.
Quote from: afty on March 17, 2023, 09:25:40 AM
Did you guys see the EV9 reveal? That thing is huge -- about the size of a Telluride! And doesn't look very aerodynamic. Range will likely be between 250-300 miles, and pricing $50-70k.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43316157/2024-kia-ev9-revealed/
Like the F150, the range will probably come from a very large battery which combined with non Tesla infrastructure charge speeds makes it fairly intolerable outside of daily activities (assuming home charging).
Quote from: r0tor on March 17, 2023, 03:51:57 PM
Like the F150, the range will probably come from a very large battery which combined with non Tesla infrastructure charge speeds makes it fairly intolerable outside of daily activities (assuming home charging).
Looks like it'll have a 100kWh option for "extended range", so yes. It's teetering on the threshold of "need more battery to haul more battery". :lol:
It is 65 degrees and sunny out for the first time this year. Took the Miata out and enjoyed the hell out of it. Both are excellent cars but the MX5 really is the EV6's opposite in so many ways. It's nice to have a diversified stable.
Quote from: Laconian on March 17, 2023, 04:58:46 PM
Looks like it'll have a 100kWh option for "extended range", so yes. It's teetering on the threshold of "need more battery to haul more battery". :lol:
It is 65 degrees and sunny out for the first time this year. Took the Miata out and enjoyed the hell out of it. Both are excellent cars but the MX5 really is the EV6's opposite in so many ways. It's nice to have a diversified stable.
There's a new guy in my office, he's a car guy. :rockon: He drives a Genesis, we talked the other day about how y'all called it a "couch rocket". He agrees. :lol:
Anyway we ended up today talking a little with him and the guy who had a Volt but 'upgraded' to a Tesla, but he's not a car guy at all- about the Venn diagram where minivan and Miata overlap.
Me: Fun fact, Odyssey makes a decent Miata tow vehicle.
Tesla guy: They overlap because if you have a Miata you still need a family car.
All that to say, I greatly enjoy a very diversified stable, too!! I'd get a Bolt or similar to fill that middle (bad weather commuter car) slot but wife is scared of running out of juice.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 17, 2023, 08:18:20 PM
wife is scared of running out of juice.
It's not an issue at all if you have at-home charging and you're not going on road trips with it. For errands it's actually more convenient than gas cars because you're never in a situation where you pull out of the driveway and realize that you need to get to a gas station ASAP.
Anyways, it's worth waiting a generation if you're in no hurry. Lithium iron phosphate batteries are finally rolling out and they're going to make for better long term workhorses than lithium ion.
Installed the Stealth hitch receiver. Essentially it's a solution that allows you to mount and unmount the actual receptacle as needed. I'm glad we have this and not a fixed receiver because the car is so long and so low that the hitch really impairs the car's exit angle. Literally less than an inch of daylight under the receiver when I drive up my driveway perpendicularly. If I had a couple people in the car it would probably drag. So the lesson is: when the hitch is installed, hit big slopes at an angle. And take off the receiver when I don't actually need it.
Leave it installed, send it on every curb. Makes sparks like a racecar.
Magnesium sliders!
Get one of those big 3-ball hitches and drag it everywhere
Lawl
Yeyah.
That's super low.
I literally had a range anxiety nightmare last night. I have never had any range issues and never had to DCFC the car, but my subconscious made it out to be a horrible experience. And even though I was topping it up to 100% on my app, the car only registered 10-15 miles of range. LOL
Quote from: Laconian on March 21, 2023, 01:21:54 PM
I literally had a range anxiety nightmare last night. I have never had any range issues and never had to DCFC the car, but my subconscious made it out to be a horrible experience. And even though I was topping it up to 100% on my app, the car only registered 10-15 miles of range. LOL
Needs a new fuel level sensor. It's usually part of the fuel pump module assembly.
My Model 3 is quite low as well, I assume for aerodynamics. I wonder if this is just how things are going to be in the EV future.
Quote from: Laconian on March 21, 2023, 01:21:54 PM
I literally had a range anxiety nightmare last night. I have never had any range issues and never had to DCFC the car, but my subconscious made it out to be a horrible experience. And even though I was topping it up to 100% on my app, the car only registered 10-15 miles of range. LOL
That Nissan Leaf degradation lol
nice hitch!
I kinda want one for Civic and Miata.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 22, 2023, 06:00:06 PM
nice hitch!
I kinda want one for Civic and Miata.
On the Miata...? Talk about departure angle hell :lol:
I have a big hitch step for TUNDRA. I could see it on a Miata just as well. In case you need to reach the windshield from the trunk. :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on March 22, 2023, 07:02:06 PM
On the Miata...? Talk about departure angle hell :lol:
My car is stock height, would be about the same as yours :thumbsup:
Should be a fun week for the EV6.
On Monday, I'm taking it to the ski slopes. I'm very interested to see how it deals with a bit of snow and slush. Tuesday will be sunny and warm so we're hauling our bikes to the coast. The round trip distance should be within the car's range but the aero drag from the bikes might reduce the range.
And the following Sunday we will be driving to Oregon which will definitely require a hit of DCFC. I haven't even created my EA account yet. I should get on that.
Round trip to the slopes complete. Charged it to 100% in the morning, and had 39% left in the tank when we got back home. The car gets goingfine with the snow but the OEM tires are kind of shit - the limits were pretty low as I practiced sudden steering and stopping in the parking lot.
It was a very soothing ride home!
"tank"
:thumbsup:
39% of my ions were still hanging onto their cathodes.
Quote from: Laconian on March 27, 2023, 07:50:30 PM
Round trip to the slopes complete. Charged it to 100% in the morning, and had 39% left in the tank when we got back home. The car gets goingfine with the snow but the OEM tires are kind of shit - the limits were pretty low as I practiced sudden steering and stopping in the parking lot.
It was a very soothing ride home!
Good to hear - the soothing low stress experience is a repeat theme that does not get talked about much.
Quote from: Laconian on March 27, 2023, 08:46:05 PM
39% of my ions were still hanging onto their cathodes.
Tap into the ionosphere.
Hauled the bikes to the seaside. I observed a 17% reduction in range (3.0mi/kWh -> 2.5).
I met up with my parents who were camping in their RV nearby, so I sipped some free 240V from their hookup and re-upped the car to 80%. Goddamn the meter was spinning like crazy. :lol:
LOL that's a testament to great aerodynamics (without bikes).
I just saw a black EV6 on my way home from work- very handsome.
Battery preconditioning meant the difference between 80-100kW peak DCFC and 205kW.
God, it's awkward walking around these dead malls. :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on April 08, 2023, 07:16:45 PM
Battery preconditioning meant the difference between 80-100kW peak DCFC and 205kW.
God, it's awkward walking around these dead malls. :lol:
You're at a shopping mall? I just assume most of them are crack houses these days.
I guess Kia EV sales are down 35% because none of theirs qualify for the tax credit.
No doubt the stealership markups are gone. I bought at the peak :cry:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 08, 2023, 07:41:07 PM
You're at a shopping mall? I just assume most of them are crack houses these days.
The Electrify America stations I used in Longview are at an old shopping mall. I walked in to use the facilities and out of morbid curiosity. The economic malaise on display is such an unsettling feeling.
Quote from: Laconian on April 10, 2023, 01:00:25 PM
I guess Kia EV sales are down 35% because none of theirs qualify for the tax credit.
No doubt the stealership markups are gone. I bought at the peak :cry:
There's at least 9 of them at the dealership near me. I should stop by and low ball them :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on April 10, 2023, 01:00:25 PM
I guess Kia EV sales are down 35% because none of theirs qualify for the tax credit.
No doubt the stealership markups are gone. I bought at the peak :cry:
What do the morons on Twitter say?
HODL!!! Maybe hope WW3 breaks out and any tangible asset goes up in value :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on April 10, 2023, 01:05:48 PM
The Electrify America stations I used in Longview are at an old shopping mall. I walked in to use the facilities and out of morbid curiosity. The economic malaise on display is such an unsettling feeling.
My old house was dangerously close to a mall that was going downhill fast. It was quickly becoming prime Hollywood shooting location for a depressing apocalyptic movie. I had to flee! So glad that I did.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 10, 2023, 01:37:26 PM
There's at least 9 of them at the dealership near me. I should stop by and low ball them :lol:
It looks like GTs and GT-Lines are still selling at MSRP, but the Winds are getting discounted.
Quote from: Laconian on April 10, 2023, 01:00:25 PM
I guess Kia EV sales are down 35% because none of theirs qualify for the tax credit.
No doubt the stealership markups are gone. I bought at the peak :cry:
When it comes to poorly-drafted, byzantine, insanely-prescriptive, screwed-up legislation. the Inflation "Reduction" Act stands high on the podium of shame.
You can still get the rebate as long as you lease though :nutty:
Yeah :facepalm:
I checked online. They have 11 EV6s. The Winds are $53-55k, GT-lines $56-57k, GTs for $60-61k. Much closer spread than I would have expected!
Goddammit, I did buy at the peak :lol:
GT-Line is a no-brainer IMO, especially because of the extra insulating laminated glass.
Quote from: MrH on April 10, 2023, 01:51:17 PM
My old house was dangerously close to a mall that was going downhill fast. It was quickly becoming prime Hollywood shooting location for a depressing apocalyptic movie. I had to flee! So glad that I did.
Just watched a Vice piece from 2016 on abandoned malls. Covered three malls in Cleveland, Akron, and Euclid. Looking at the spots on Google Maps today...each mall they visited was torn down and is now an Amazon fulfillment center.
Quote from: giant_mtb on April 12, 2023, 10:41:50 AM
Just watched a Vice piece from 2016 on abandoned malls. Covered three malls in Cleveland, Akron, and Euclid. Looking at the spots on Google Maps today...each mall they visited was torn down and is now an Amazon fulfillment center.
I'd rather have them turn each store into an apartment. I want to walk out a store front and walk my dogs inside.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 12, 2023, 11:10:39 AM
I'd rather have them turn each store into an apartment. I want to walk out a store front and walk my dogs inside.
Not the worst idea. Certainly easier to do than converting office buildings into apartments.
I suspect the effort of converting them from commercial building code to residential building codes would be cost prohibitive. Probably cheaper to tear it down and build new from scratch.
What about making them into IRL Mario Kart courses?
Quote from: Laconian on April 12, 2023, 12:01:01 PM
What about making them into IRL Mario Kart courses?
Yes
Quote from: SJ_GTI on April 12, 2023, 11:54:57 AM
I suspect the effort of converting them from commercial building code to residential building codes would be cost prohibitive. Probably cheaper to tear it down and build new from scratch.
Waste a perfectly good building because laws. Ugh. Aren't commercial codes better than residential, anyway? Just cut some windows out or something.
5 over 1s are cheap, probably preferred by renters over a mall apartment too
"Luxury apartments" with paper thin walls, hiss.
Quote from: Laconian on April 12, 2023, 12:36:39 PM
"Luxury apartments" with paper thin walls, hiss.
Used mattresses
Indoor go-kart tracks
One of the new warehouses next to my work's new building is supposed to be a go kart track. I might have to get a membership if it's good. We have a Top Golf just down the road too
I miss karting... But sim racing is just too convenient
Spring has finally kicked in here and we are just now getting temps above 60. Hooray. The EV6 is now off of the electrical equivalent of winter gas and is posting much better efficiency numbers.
I observed 3.8-4 mi/kWh on a 35 mile trip and that was while driving around 65-70mph with plenty of acceleration shenanigans. That is up from 3mi/kWh I got at <50deg temps. Pretty darn good!
Does the EV6 have a heat pump?
Quote from: Laconian on April 23, 2023, 12:05:27 AMSpring has finally kicked in here and we are just now getting temps above 60. Hooray. The EV6 is now off of the electrical equivalent of winter gas and is posting much better efficiency numbers.
I observed 3.8-4 mi/kWh on a 35 mile trip and that was while driving around 65-70mph with plenty of acceleration shenanigans. That is up from 3mi/kWh I got at <50deg temps. Pretty darn good!
Nice, that sounds similar to the Bolt. Impressive since the EV6 is larger
Quote from: afty on April 23, 2023, 06:41:36 AMDoes the EV6 have a heat pump?
Yes it does.
Random info: I believe VW/Audi recently deleted theirs, allegedly because of semiconductor shortages. But last summer there were reports that their heat pumps actually decreased range.
If I did a lot of road trips in cold weather, I'd probably keep an ICEer or PHEV in the garage.
The car is now reliably getting 3.8mi/kWh now. I am very curious what the specific factors are that have made it more efficient. My money's on the battery temperature.
I still can't figure out the proximity lock/unlock logic on this damn car. It's so unpredictable.
Deep flat dashboards are bad for glare, great for small pets.
IMG_20230427_213934.jpg
Hah! Nice.
Wow. 3.8 mi/kWh is fantastic. I'm typically around 3.5, but most of my commute is 60-80 mph on the higway in traffic. I can get around 3.8-4.0 if I'm puttering around town in nice weather.
I'm shocked your car is that efficient.
IIRC higher efficiency is one of the virtues of the 800V powertrain. It is pretty nice. I can't go below 3.6 even if I accelerate hard.
Yeah, that's wild. Usually the Bolt is the efficiency champ, because it's light, FWD, narrow, etc.
I could probably squeeze a lot more efficiency out of it if I wanted to. But I realized the other day...why not floor it? It'll cost me a few cents more to charge maybe, who cares :lol: I drive it more like a GTI on terrible tires than I do hyper mileing Prius.
My lifetime efficiency in my Model 3 AWD is 260 Wh/mi (3.8 mi/kWh). I understand the RWD ones are even more efficient.
Quote from: MrH on April 28, 2023, 12:26:14 PMYeah, that's wild. Usually the Bolt is the efficiency champ, because it's light, FWD, narrow, etc.
I could probably squeeze a lot more efficiency out of it if I wanted to. But I realized the other day...why not floor it? It'll cost me a few cents more to charge maybe, who cares :lol: I drive it more like a GTI on terrible tires than I do hyper mileing Prius.
Yeah the Bolts can get 4.2-4.5 if you drive more like a grandma but that's no fun
EV6es get built to the sounds of Jean Michel Jarre
Quote from: Laconian on May 06, 2023, 10:20:18 PMEV6es get built to the sounds of Jean Michel Jarre
That's cool and all, but where's the tent? This is old school manufacturing. Real cutting edge assembly is in tents.
I'm getting a taste of EV ownership! Apparently I have a Sword of Damocles recall hanging over my head that I need to get fixed post-haste! The DC-DC charger unit ("ICCU") can fail catastrophically due to a transient overvoltage condition in the big pack. Oops.
It took some work on the phone but I found a dealer that will do it next week. I think Kia service depts are slammed with the backlog in installing immobilizers in all their ez-to-steal cars.
I guess Teslas can OTA all the various bits and bobs around the car, but Kias are only capable of OTA-ing the infotainment system. Everything else needs to be done by dealers.
https://www.kiaevforums.com/threads/sc271-iccu-software-upgrade-or-iccu-assembly-and-fuse-replacement.8720/
I think I have another stealership faux-TA pending which will activate the brake light while regen braking.
super funz
Quote from: Laconian on August 28, 2023, 05:00:01 PMhttps://www.kiaevforums.com/threads/sc271-iccu-software-upgrade-or-iccu-assembly-and-fuse-replacement.8720/
I think I have another stealership faux-TA pending which will activate the brake light while regen braking.
Manufacturers make great cars then break their customers on the wheel of dealerships.
Got my car flashed at the stealership with three software updates. It took around two and a half hours.
One of them fixes the ICCU DC-DC charger.
One of them lights up the rear brake lights on hard regen-deceleration
And the other one...?
All free of course, but still it was a pain in the butt to have to bring it in. The infotainment has all it needs to OTA itself, but not these other components. Sad!
Quote from: Laconian on September 07, 2023, 05:46:09 PMGot my car flashed at the stealership with three software updates. It took around two and a half hours.
One of them fixes the ICCU DC-DC charger.
One of them lights up the rear brake lights on hard regen-deceleration
And the other one...?
All free of course, but still it was a pain in the butt to have to bring it in. The infotainment has all it needs to OTA itself, but not these other components. Sad!
They (or you) should be able to do it remotely. We have this thing called the internet.
I complained about it to the dealer, but I imagine it fell on deaf ears. The dealer got $279 from the interaction.
Does a Tesla update more than infotainment over the air?
AFAIK everything is fair game for Tesla's OTA.
At least your car won't be randomly bricked OTA
Quote from: Rich on September 07, 2023, 06:35:24 PMDoes a Tesla update more than infotainment over the air?
Everything. It's always good to have a decent WiFi signal in your garage anyway (podcasts & music while you detail.) You need it for Tesla's wall connector as well as the car.
Quote from: Laconian on September 07, 2023, 06:09:58 PMI complained about it to the dealer, but I imagine it fell on deaf ears. The dealer got $279 from the interaction.
I have never taken the Mazda back to the dealership. It's an hour away and I hate them.
The CX-5's infotainment system was a buggy shitty mess. I found that the firmware was about four revisions behind.
Rather then go to the dealer I was able to get the latest via a guy on a Mazda forum. The procedure was archaic: had to be a low capacity USB-A storage drive formatted to FAT16. The update menu was like something out of the 1980s.
I have been using the EV6 as my waiting room while my husband gets his 2-hour treatments.
The seats are comfortable, but I still experience backaches and need to walk after about 1.5 hours. I do wonder how a car with superlative seats would feel, such as a Volvo or a MB.
Turning on "Utility Mode" (in EV Settings) is good when you want to keep the car idle with HVAC running for long periods of time. It is better than Accessory mode because it allows the heat pump to operate and engages the high voltage battery, saving the feeble 12V battery from wear and tear.
The backseat is hugely spacious and a great, albeit dark, place to spend time. The seats are comfortable and recline back pretty far.
I really wish my dumb brain let me take naps.
Quote from: Laconian on October 24, 2023, 01:37:59 PMI have been using the EV6 as my waiting room while my husband gets his 2-hour treatments.
The seats are comfortable, but I still experience backaches and need to walk after about 1.5 hours. I do wonder how a car with superlative seats would feel, such as a Volvo or a MB.
Turning on "Utility Mode" (in EV Settings) is good when you want to keep the car idle with HVAC running for long periods of time. It is better than Accessory mode because it allows the heat pump to operate and engages the high voltage battery, saving the feeble 12V battery from wear and tear.
The backseat is hugely spacious and a great, albeit dark, place to spend time. The seats are comfortable and recline back pretty far.
I really wish my dumb brain let me take naps.
Nice!
To me, naps are best achieved
-10-20min timer. Anything more makes me groggy
-sit/lay in a way that NO muscles are engaged. I have to be completely relaxed without trying to hold head some or whatever
-I DON'T try to minimize noises. It's fine if someone is watching TV or there's other stuff going on.
-close eyes and drift- even if it takes 9min of the 10min timer to fall asleep, it's still enough to feel re-energized.
I watch YouTube videos that are in my nerd zone but aren't interesting enough to keep me engaged. e.g. I watched one of a guy troubleshooting a problem in a 100-year-old telephone exchange automatic switch. Cool retrotech but zzzz's too.
I can nap any time, any place. It's probably my greatest skill
That would be an amazing power to have.
After going back and forth between the EV6 and the Miata, I think that Mazda does HVAC automation better than Kia. The Miata only turns up the fans when the engine's at temp, and the fan speed will back off completely and become inaudible once the cabin's at temp. The Kia just turns up the fans and runs them hard regardless of the heat pump's ability to deliver, and once the cabin's at temp, the slowest fan speed is still noticeable. I would rather it just turn off.
Also, the logic around the automatic keyless lock/unlock is baffling. Sometimes it's helpful and does the right thing, sometimes it's no help at all, I can't figure it out. Again this is a case where my Miata does it right every time.
It kind of leaves me with a Samsung impression. Lovely hardware, with convincingly glitzy software that's also hampered by some boneheaded control logic.
I'm rarely impressed with auto climate control. Give me 3 knobs and I can get it right every time with minimal effort.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 01, 2023, 06:33:41 PMI'm rarely impressed with auto climate control. Give me 3 knobs and I can get it right every time with minimal effort.
My temperature needs change frequently, anyway, so I'm always manually adjusting auto climate controls.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 01, 2023, 06:33:41 PMI'm rarely impressed with auto climate control. Give me 3 knobs and I can get it right every time with minimal effort.
Yep.
Does the heat pump need time to warm up or something? I would have expected instant heat
Quote from: afty on November 01, 2023, 09:48:38 PMDoes the heat pump need time to warm up or something? I would have expected instant heat
I think the coolant lines need to pressurize or something. It takes about 30 seconds to get going. Not horrible but it is weird to have the car naïvely blasting icy air at passengers when the temp is set to 75...
Set the 2010 G37 cabin temp to say 73° and it does not start blowing until it has warm air to deliver.
Set the 2021 CX-5 cabin temp to 73° and it will immediately blow cold air in your face. Just what you need on a freezing morning.
I got roasted & flayed for pointing this out on the CX-5 subreddit, "That's what all cars do, what are you whining about?"
Yeah my 2003 Odyssey (and 2012 Odyssey) stay on auto.
For heat they wait until the engine was warm enough, then blow dash and floor.
For A/C they turn on right away and toggle between recirculate or fresh (depending) and blow through dash vents.
The Outback also waited for the engine to warm up before blowing.
A nice aspect but overall the Outback had a pretty lame HVAC system. Tepid heater and seat warmers. The seat warmers never got therapeutically hot. The impression was "incontinence bath" at best :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on November 02, 2023, 11:52:16 AMThe Outback also waited for the engine to warm up before blowing.
A nice aspect but overall the Outback had a pretty lame HVAC system. Tepid heater and seat warmers. The seat warmers never got therapeutically hot. The impression was "incontinence bath" at best :lol:
Interesting. Impreza the seat warmers took a long time to warm up (as long as engine heat) but got uncomfortably hot.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 03, 2023, 08:09:24 AMInteresting. Impreza the seat warmers took a long time to warm up (as long as engine heat) but got uncomfortably hot.
Was never a big fan of seat heaters, especially ones that are overly warm. If it's cold outside, I'm dressed for it...throwing a bunch of heat on my back while the air temp warms up in the vehicle is just gonna make my back start sweating.
Now, heated steering wheels on the other hand...I'm all for that. Soooo nice having warm hands without gloves on while the car warms up.
Another vote here for heated steering wheels over heated seats.
Vented seats on the other hand... love those.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 03, 2023, 08:37:20 AMWas never a big fan of seat heaters, especially ones that are overly warm. If it's cold outside, I'm dressed for it...throwing a bunch of heat on my back while the air temp warms up in the vehicle is just gonna make my back start sweating.
Now, heated steering wheels on the other hand...I'm all for that. Soooo nice having warm hands without gloves on while the car warms up.
EVs gave out powerful seat heaters like candy because it's much more energy efficient to warm individuals directly than it is to heat the entire cabin. So instead of making the cabin 72 degrees you might do 69 plus a heater.
Not sure if the tradeoff is quite so clear cut with heat pumps though. Pumps can move something like 5 or 6 joules of heat per joule consumed.