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Still trying to nail down the trade-in price on the Bolt. Have the price of the Lightning already determined and the exact vehicle. Hopefully I can lock it all up today and take delivery in the next few weeks when it shows up.
Unfortunately I don't think I can swing buying a used car on such short notice, but I am curious how much you get offered for the Bolt.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on November 20, 2023, 09:59:36 AMUnfortunately I don't think I can swing buying a used car on such short notice, but I am curious how much you get offered for the Bolt.
Not nearly as much as I had hoped. They low balled me pretty bad at $23,500. I was hoping for more like $27,000. The bottom kind of fell out of the bottom for these. My last offer was to split the difference at $25,250.
That's right near where Carvana, Vroom, etc put it.
- Edmunds has it around $26,700 for trade-in
- KBB has $25,200-$27,200
- Carvana is offering $25k cash
- Vroom is offering $25,800 cash
They know they have me in a bind though. The sales tax savings of a $23,500 trade is about $1,645. As long as they are that close to these offers, it's better for me to trade in. They can immediately turn around and sell it to Vroom and make it back if they want.
Truck pricing is wild though. 6 months ago, these were going for over MSRP at a lot of dealers. This is how far pricing has fallen since then.
MSRP + Destination this summer: $87,869
-$8500 MSRP reduction in July
-$7500 EV credit (eligible due to the MSRP drop)
-$7500 Ford cash credit to move remaining 2023 models
-$7500 dealer discount
That's $31k off from the summer. Puts me right around $57k for a fully loaded, extended range Lariat trim. I was trying to get a less loaded trim, but this is by far the best deal out there.
For comparison, an ecoboost Lariat with similar options goes for around $72k according to TrueCar. $15k delta between EV and ICE is hard for me to understand.
I was going to try and get the Flash trim, which has cloth seats, no sunroof, etc in 2024 so I could get the new heat pump, but it would be at least $10k more than this. I'll take the range hit in the winter and all the extra luxury options for that kind of savings.
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Cool! What's going to go in the frunk?
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2023, 10:16:40 AMFor comparison, an ecoboost Lariat with similar options goes for around $72k according to TrueCar. $15k delta between EV and ICE is hard for me to understand.
WTF. Lariat is like a middle trim.
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2023, 10:08:03 AMNot nearly as much as I had hoped. They low balled me pretty bad at $23,500. I was hoping for more like $27,000. The bottom kind of fell out of the bottom for these. My last offer was to split the difference at $25,250.
That's right near where Carvana, Vroom, etc put it.
- Edmunds has it around $26,700 for trade-in
- KBB has $25,200-$27,200
- Carvana is offering $25k cash
- Vroom is offering $25,800 cash
They know they have me in a bind though. The sales tax savings of a $23,500 trade is about $1,645. As long as they are that close to these offers, it's better for me to trade in. They can immediately turn around and sell it to Vroom and make it back if they want.
If you feel they have you in a bind, why do it? Pretty much most all indications are the EV market is freefall.
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Cool! What's going to go in the frunk?
Frozen shrimp, of course. Just as Ford intended :lol:
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Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 20, 2023, 11:02:44 AMWTF. Lariat is like a middle trim.
Lariat is one step below the highest. Platinum is basically just a lariat with nicer leather and massaging seats. XLT is the mid level that most people get.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 20, 2023, 11:19:26 AMIf you feel they have you in a bind, why do it? Pretty much most all indications are the EV market is freefall.
Maybe "bind" is too strong of a word. We're ultimately talking about $1,000 or so in a $57k truck purchase. I can walk away if I want.
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2023, 11:29:06 AMLariat is one step below the highest. Platinum is basically just a lariat with nicer leather and massaging seats. XLT is the mid level that most people get.
I was looking at the ICE models. For the ICE truck it looks like King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, Tremor, and Raptor are all higher than Lariat. So they're all $80k+ which is insane for a non-Raptor F-150.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 20, 2023, 11:34:39 AMI was looking at the ICE models. For the ICE truck it looks like King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, Tremor, and Raptor are all higher than Lariat. So they're all $80k+ which is insane for a non-Raptor F-150.
Oh wow. I just looked. Didn't realize there are so many trims for the ICE version.
Lariat on the Lightning has nearly everything. I'm guessing King Ranch and Limited are more just option package combinations of the Platinum with more special interiors? It's nuts how different you can get F-150's. Poverty spec vinyl bench seat or $100k massaging blue and white leather interior.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 20, 2023, 11:34:39 AMI was looking at the ICE models. For the ICE truck it looks like King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, Tremor, and Raptor are all higher than Lariat. So they're all $80k+ which is insane for a non-Raptor F-150.
Ford laughs every time someone buys an over-priced truck..... As do GM and Ram. Gotta love the American male ego.
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2023, 11:29:06 AMLariat is one step below the highest. Platinum is basically just a lariat with nicer leather and massaging seats. XLT is the mid level that most people get.
XLT = eXtra Large Testicles, hence being most people's choice.
At least you didn't get the Big Horny Ram.
Ok, deal is confirmed.
Truck should be here in the next few weeks we're guessing. The basics of it:
2023 Lariat Extended Range (big boy battery)
- Carbonized Gray
- 511A Package is included in the extended range, so it gets BlueCruise, moonroof, etc
Only non-standard options are the mobile charger and a spray in bedliner. The 2023 model year is not getting the cool scales in the bed that weigh what you're hauling (I think they're supply constrained on those) or the heat pump that's in the 2024s.
But I do get a few other things that are getting removed in 2024:
- Standard 9.6 kW onboard power (basically, all the outlets. That's an add on feature next year)
- A huge 80 amp wall charger
- Dual chargers onboard so the 80 amp wall charger at home can charge at 19.6 kW if I install a big enough breaker to support it.
Twinsies!!!! :lol: :thumbsup: Our Mav is Carbonized grey- I really love it. It's pretty 'average'. Not too dark, not too light.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 21, 2023, 10:38:17 AMTwinsies!!!! :lol: :thumbsup: Our Mav is Carbonized grey- I really love it. It's pretty 'average'. Not too dark, not too light.
Almost double the weight of a Maverick :lol:
Build date is the week of 11/27. It's going to be close to take delivery before end of the year honestly.
You're going to V2L this back to your breaker panel, aren't you?
I find it odd that spray-in bedliners are not standard by now.
Quote from: Laconian on November 21, 2023, 12:20:09 PMYou're going to V2L this back to your breaker panel, aren't you?
No. Definitely not the way Ford advertised when the truck launched. They've had a lot of problems with it, and it costs like $10k to get setup. Ford is quietly backing away from this idea.
I might see what the cost is for an electrician to add a generator input into my breaking panel, and then just run a cable from the onboard power in the bed to the breaker if the power goes out. It could run the fridge and some basic lights, but not full HVAC and everything.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 21, 2023, 01:20:06 PMI find it odd that spray-in bedliners are not standard by now.
Yeah, can't believe they sell trucks with painted beds. I figured most would just go to some sort of carbon reinforced plastic like Toyota is doing. That seems like the obvious answer.
Quote from: MrH on November 21, 2023, 01:38:30 PMI might see what the cost is for an electrician to add a generator input into my breaking panel, and then just run a cable from the onboard power in the bed to the breaker if the power goes out. It could run the fridge and some basic lights, but not full HVAC and everything.
That's the way to do it, IMO. Keep it simple.
The gas stove/fireplace in my basement just plugs into the wall to run the igniter + fan. I'm gonna get an inverter for it, since I have 2 extra car batteries sitting around that I could use to run it if the power goes out. Same with the fridge, although we don't usually have that much in there.
Jim Farley posted this. Great stuff.
https://twitter.com/jimfarley98/status/1726994929350525154
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 21, 2023, 01:20:06 PMI find it odd that spray-in bedliners are not standard by now.
They offer spray in or drop in for Mav. Then they stopped drop in.
Dealer messed ours up so it got sprayed locally. We didn't put ANYTHING in the bed before it got sprayed. The paint is so thin now (more environmentally friendly) we didn't want it scratched.
Some people just throw down carpets or rubber mats- seems very inadequate to me!
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2023, 10:16:40 AMTruck pricing is wild though. 6 months ago, these were going for over MSRP at a lot of dealers. This is how far pricing has fallen since then.
MSRP + Destination this summer: $87,869
-$8500 MSRP reduction in July
-$7500 EV credit (eligible due to the MSRP drop)
-$7500 Ford cash credit to move remaining 2023 models
-$7500 dealer discount
That's $31k off from the summer. Puts me right around $57k for a fully loaded, extended range Lariat trim. I was trying to get a less loaded trim, but this is by far the best deal out there.
For comparison, an ecoboost Lariat with similar options goes for around $72k according to TrueCar. $15k delta between EV and ICE is hard for me to understand.
That's an awesome price. Congratulations! Full size EV luxury pickup for similar price as EV sedans/small SUVs. It is estimated Ford lost $36 thousand on every EV it sold in quarter 3 of this year.
https://insideevs.com/news/693626/ford-cuts-ev-investment-after-losing-36000-usd-every-ev-sold-q3/
WTAF
$57k?!
I paid more for my EV6 :facepalm:
Price will probably fall another 10-20% by this time next year as I assume at some point they switch to cheaper batteries and have to move volume due to scaling up production.
Quote from: Laconian on November 21, 2023, 10:48:19 PMWTAF
$57k?!
I paid more for my EV6 :facepalm:
The best part is: the exact configured truck sold used for $100k+ 14 months ago
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/36NPOyzA/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-lariat
Quote from: MrH on November 20, 2023, 10:16:40 AMTruck pricing is wild though. 6 months ago, these were going for over MSRP at a lot of dealers. This is how far pricing has fallen since then.
MSRP + Destination this summer: $87,869
-$8500 MSRP reduction in July
-$7500 EV credit (eligible due to the MSRP drop)
-$7500 Ford cash credit to move remaining 2023 models
-$7500 dealer discount
That's $31k off from the summer. Puts me right around $57k for a fully loaded, extended range Lariat trim. I was trying to get a less loaded trim, but this is by far the best deal out there.
For comparison, an ecoboost Lariat with similar options goes for around $72k according to TrueCar. $15k delta between EV and ICE is hard for me to understand.
I was going to try and get the Flash trim, which has cloth seats, no sunroof, etc in 2024 so I could get the new heat pump, but it would be at least $10k more than this. I'll take the range hit in the winter and all the extra luxury options for that kind of savings.
Congratulations, sounds like a good deal.
Quote from: Laconian on November 21, 2023, 10:48:19 PMWTAF
$57k?!
I paid more for my EV6 :facepalm:
Isn't this a MY2023 vehicle purchased right at the end of the year? TBH, it should be heavily discounted (the extend of almost a year's worth of depreciation).
Quote from: MrH on November 22, 2023, 07:15:36 AMThe best part is: the exact configured truck sold used for $100k+ 14 months ago
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/36NPOyzA/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-lariat
Nice.
It's a wild market out there! I could sell my truck for more than we paid. :nutty:
Sweatin' bullets over here. I've been tracking the truck. It's alive, they're doing the spray in bedliner now. It should mark as "Built" early next week I think. Should get it in the last two weeks of December most likely. Pretty critical I take delivery this year for tax purposes.
While this is all going on, the deal we worked out includes $7500 cash rebate from Ford that was set to expire 1/2/2024.
Ford just ended it over night. I'm guessing the rebate drove way more demand than they anticipated. Cybertruck pricing was a flop, and it gave them one month of sales numbers that looked killer, so they just ended it prematurely. Tons of trucks are in transit with deals already negotiated. Someone reported that their dealer had to eat the $7500 difference themselves. Others are saying their deal is off completely.
I haven't talked to my sales guy yet. Figured my best chance was to just play dumb and see if he brings it up at closing and force them to eat it when it happens and walk away from the deal if he doesn't. I was scrolling through our email chain that we used to negotiate the whole deal. He says explicitly that placing a deposit locks in the factory Ford incentive at the time.
So I think I'm safe...?
I kind of did the same thing- we had a "private offer" ($2750) to keep '22 pricing but we took a $500 military discount then tackled that PO after we drive home (it was promised by Ford, not an optional thing). I played dumb that it was a rebate.
Worked in our favor, technically they should have only given us one or the other or deduct the little one from the big one.
Quote from: MrH on December 06, 2023, 02:05:43 PMSweatin' bullets over here. I've been tracking the truck. It's alive, they're doing the spray in bedliner now. It should mark as "Built" early next week I think. Should get it in the last two weeks of December most likely. Pretty critical I take delivery this year for tax purposes.
Wait, didn't you already get the Bolt with the tax credit this year?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 06, 2023, 06:21:49 PMWait, didn't you already get the Bolt with the tax credit this year?
:muffin:
Don't hate the playa, hate the game :lol:
Quote from: MrH on December 06, 2023, 08:11:40 PM:muffin:
Don't hate the playa, hate the game :lol:
Welfare queen!
Quote from: MrH on December 06, 2023, 08:11:40 PM:muffin:
Don't hate the playa, hate the game :lol:
I thought you could only get the credit once, but I guess not. Maybe that was the old credits
Quote from: Laconian on December 06, 2023, 08:12:58 PMWelfare queen!
*Puts on Ayn Rand wig* Taxation is theft. This is just reclaiming my rightful money back. :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 06, 2023, 08:34:19 PMI thought you could only get the credit once, but I guess not. Maybe that was the old credits
Nope. You don't even have to own the car at year end to claim it. You just can't purchase a vehicle with the intent to flip it, which is such a silly clause. You can drive it any distance and sell it and claim you never intended to flip.
This is part of why there was such insane pricing going on during COVID era. Supply constrained + incentives to game + money printer going berserk. People were buying Teslas, even model S and X that sell a meaningless volumes now, and were flipping them for like $20k profit and were doing it over and over.
Good time to walk away from what consumer reports is saying is one of the worst vehicles quality wise and comes up a good 50 miles short on range.
It's shown as fully built! It's ahead of what I predicted by a couple of days. As long as there isn't a vehicle carrier shortage, I think I'm going to make it before end of year.
Everyone has been sharing their deals on Reddit. If this Ford cash back incentive comes through like I anticipate, I think I'll have nabbed the best deal listed on there by at least a few thousand. $15k off MSRP + $7500 EV credit. The next closest I saw as something like $12k off MSRP.
That's pretty wild as far as pricing!
Looks like it showed up at the dealer this morning. Just waiting for post delivery inspection and to arrange a time to complete the paperwork and pick it up!
Should have it by Saturday at the latest. :muffin:
I was really sweating it out. I didn't think it was going to make it this year, and I don't know if I would have went through with the deal if it spilled into next year.
Woot woot woot
Today is truck day. Picking it up this afternoon.
:ohyeah: Pics please.
Burnout vids!
Illuminated truck nuts!
BTAC
Pics! Pics! Pics! Pics!
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It's charging.
I picked it up last week on Friday, but have been busy with family and work stuff this week. Here are a few pics. Ignore the yellowish color of the front light bar. Just a trick on the camera because of the flashing rate of the LEDs. It's definitely white in person.
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I really love the rear taillights. They flare out from the body, and the light bar connecting is awesome. Looks much better than the standard F-150 IMO
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The screen is huge. Everyone that has been in it can't get over the size of the screen (my parents especially). This was taken with a macro lens, so it's a bit misleading
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The American flag stuff is a bit over the top, but I also love it :lol:. There are more in the interior.
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The size of the aluminum lower controls is wild. It's hard to capture in pictures.
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Room in the back is huge with the seats folded up. The tuxmat for this area is comically big.
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I measured it and knew it would fit in the garage, but man, it's tight. Took a few days, but now I can pull in with no issue. Just a few inches of clearance front and back.
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Nice. Do truck stuff. Drive through a mud puddle. Drive through a Mini Cooper.
Not really "mods", but some accessories and things I'm adding:
- Tuxmats
- Cargo net for the front trunk
- Installed all the box cleats that came with it
- Removed the dealer and UAW decals etc
- Front and rear dash cam. Got one that looks OEM and installs just under the mirror and plugs into the mirror power.
- Shorter antenna :lol: The big whip antenna gets caught on the garage door every time I go in and out
- Might get a tonneau cover at some point, but not in a huge rush.
Forgot to mention, BlueCruise was rarely activating for the first few days. On Wednesday, I pulled the fuse for it. The dash lit up like a Christmas tree, but now it's working perfectly. Just needed a hard reset. Basically turns on anytime I'm on a highway.
Oh. And I had both cars out while I was organizing the garage. This is from my window, but it kind of shows how tiny the BRZ is in comparison.
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Nice!!
Is the Blue Cruise standard or did you have to pay more for it?
Very nice. Is this the buy of the century? I can't believe how much "stuff" you're getting for that price. You're pretty good at spotting these weird big deals and moving on them.
Congratulations! It looks great - glad the deal went through for you.
Congrats man, looks great! Hard to argue with the utility of that vehicle.
Fun fun fun!
How big is the frunk?
How long does it take to charge at home?
Quote from: veeman on December 29, 2023, 12:26:22 PMNice!!
Is the Blue Cruise standard or did you have to pay more for it?
It was included in the $7500 option package that included the big battery, twin panel moonroof, tow tech package, home charger, etc,
Quote from: Laconian on December 29, 2023, 12:46:19 PMVery nice. Is this the buy of the century? I can't believe how much "stuff" you're getting for that price. You're pretty good at spotting these weird big deals and moving on them.
I think I got the best deal out there. No one has beaten it yet in the Lightning forum.
Someone asked where to find these deals. You don't find them, you have to hunt for it! :lol: I'm always watching incentives going on for cars I'm interested in. Once it seems feasible, I email a ton of dealers and negotiate that way. Doing it in person is a waste of time. I usually already have a car too, so if it doesn't work out, no biggie. I don't post all my failed attempts and ideas. It's too embarrassing :lol:
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 29, 2023, 12:51:24 PMCongratulations! It looks great - glad the deal went through for you.
Thanks! When are you joining the EV club?
Quote from: SJ_GTI on December 29, 2023, 04:15:18 PMCongrats man, looks great! Hard to argue with the utility of that vehicle.
Utility is the ultimate luxury!
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 29, 2023, 08:42:47 PMFun fun fun!
How big is the frunk?
How long does it take to charge at home?
The frunk is pretty huge. Basically like the trunk size of a normal sedan.
Right now, I'm still using my charger from my Bolt, hooked to a 240 volt outlet. It's 9.6 kW. There's some efficiency loss, so it puts 9 kW or so to the truck. The truck has a 131 kWh battery, so it's about 14 hours to go 0-100%. I only charge to 90% full for every day use though, and only get down to 50 or 60 percent, so 4-5 hours gets it topped back up.
They are sending an 80 amp charger though. Debating whether I get it installed. It'll be another $600-$700 to install with a new 100 amp circuit breaker. The big battery F-150s are kind of wild. They have dual AC inverters, so you can charge at 19.2 kW. That will charge the entire thing 0-100% in under 8 hours.
I'm probably fine without it, but it could be useful sometimes. Ford is removing the dual onboard chargers for 2024 and not including the massive 80 amp charger. Too much cost and not enough people using it.
What are you seeing as far as Wh/mi?
Lol Mav has a 1.1 kWh battery.
What's the gauge and length of the wire going to your Bolt charger? You could snip the NEMA receptacle and wire it into the big charger directly?
Quote from: Laconian on December 30, 2023, 10:35:26 AMWhat are you seeing as far as Wh/mi?
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I'm right around 1.7 mi/kWh lately. This is mostly heater blasting, 75 mph on the highway. Efficiency drops off the cliff with this thing at highway speeds because it's so big. The Bolt wasn't quite as speed sensitive.
I could definitely see 2.0-2.5 mi/kWh in city driving in decent weather I think.
End of the day, it's not all that important, as long as I have enough range for my daily needs. The battery is literally twice the size of the Bolts, so I have to tell myself that when looking at mi/kWh. I just multiple it times two to put in Bolt terms for my dumb monkey brain to understand :lol:
580Wh/mi. You're still doing better than a Cybertruck!
That road trip video I shared had the truck burning 1.25mi/kWh
I'm currently changing the #3 array battery cell in a Lightning truck. It's very involved.
The Lightning, fully charged, will literally take off like a fucking bat out of hell from a standing start. We're talking neck brace acceleration.
Quote from: Laconian on December 31, 2023, 05:05:42 PM580Wh/mi. You're still doing better than a Cybertruck!
That road trip video I shared had the truck burning 1.25mi/kWh
That's really, really bad.
The worst I've seen for the Lightning is like 1.4 or 1.5 mi/kWh on the forums. Seems like they had something wrong with their truck too, and it was fixed under warranty.
Ford made some interesting design decisions with the Lightning that I can't really disagree with? So no heat pump in my car, that comes in 2024 model year. But it's maybe 10% efficiency, and just resistive heat is much simpler. I don't blame them for getting the truck out faster, then adding a heat pump later.
They also don't disconnect either motor ever? Rivian and the Korean E-GMP use a mechanical clutch to disconnect one motor for efficiency reasons. But then if you stomp the throttle, there's a slight lag for it to reconnect? Do you feel that in your car?
Ford just said screw it, not worth the complexity. Both motors are always connected. No delay if you stomp throttle. It does get a lot regen from one pedal driving because both motor can regen off throttle.
Another interesting thing: it's the same motor front and rear. Same power and torque. They are geared slightly different though, for harmonic reasons. They didn't want to hit a resonant frequency in the vehicle with both motors spinning the exact same speed.
The battery is 145 kWh! And then they cap it to 131 kWh usable. I charge to 90% daily. Ford basically just took everything great about the F-150, put in a gigantic battery, kept it simple, and didn't try to squeeze every ounce of efficiency out of it. Probably the right call for their EV truck.
Peak charge rate isn't all that impressive, but the charge curve is. I'll probably actually try road tripping this in the spring/summer next year. It can do 150 kW from 10-80% pretty consistently it looks like. I'll try taking it to Indianapolis and Pittsburgh. A weekend trip to either would be just one or two DC fast charges and be fine.
I love this thing.
Quote from: shp4man on December 31, 2023, 05:59:22 PMI'm currently changing the #3 array battery cell in a Lightning truck. It's very involved.
The Lightning, fully charged, will literally take off like a fucking bat out of hell from a standing start. We're talking neck brace acceleration.
It's the fastest car I've ever owned. A 7,000 lb truck that runs < 4 sec 0-60 and mid 12s in the 1/4 mile.
I might take it to an open drag strip in the summer and see how it does :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on December 30, 2023, 06:34:07 PMWhat's the gauge and length of the wire going to your Bolt charger? You could snip the NEMA receptacle and wire it into the big charger directly?
No way. My NEMA receptacle is only on a 50 amp breaker. The big charger needs a 100 amp breaker. It's double the current of the NEMA and bolt charger setup.
I'll probably get it installed just for convenience. Charge the truck twice as fast, and then if the wife gets a PHEV in a couple of years, we could charge both at the same time.
2breakers 1charger
Quote from: MrH on January 01, 2024, 09:55:46 AMNo way. My NEMA receptacle is only on a 50 amp breaker. The big charger needs a 100 amp breaker. It's double the current of the NEMA and bolt charger setup.
I'll probably get it installed just for convenience. Charge the truck twice as fast, and then if the wife gets a PHEV in a couple of years, we could charge both at the same time.
I'm curious about the wire, not the breaker. Maybe it's beefy enough for a bigger breaker, though probably not.
Quote from: MrH on December 30, 2023, 09:07:23 AMThanks! When are you joining the EV club?
I'm conscious that I need to shit or get off the pot but spousal acceptance, specifically public charging anxiety, is a factor. So I'm thinking early 2025, when the NACS choices widen. I'm confident that public charging teething problems will recede. Also, for several reasons, we decided to bring forward & drastically amp up our travel spending plans, so the budgeted vehicle replacement has been pushed to the back burner.
Ok, I've talked about how great this thing is. But the range estimation is bad. I don't understand the logic. I need someone at Ford to explain to me like I'm 5 on why this is so bad.
Charge to 90% every night as recommended. This morning, says I have 271 miles of range. That implies a 2.3 mi/kWh efficiency. I have never once gotten that. I drive 35 miles to work. I'm now down to 74% charge. Calculates out to 1.68 mi/kWh. That's pretty much exactly what my trip computer has been saying this whole time.
What does the range estimate on the car show now? 191 miles of range, 74% charge. Implies a 1.97 mi/kWh. 35 miles of driving showed a decrease of 80 miles of range. And it's still like 30 miles higher than it should be.
It is waaaaay too slow to adjust the meter to your actual consumption rate, and seems to reset to be overly optimistic. Every charge resets back to 2.3 mi/kWh assumptions.
This shouldn't be so hard. Take like the last 5 trips efficiency average, apply that forward looking. The Bolt basically did something like that, and was slightly on the conservative side. I never had to think about it much. I feel like I'm constantly doing math to try and correct in my head for where this thing is at.
If they can't even get close, just let me input my efficiency and calculate off that. I can do a better job predicting than the car can.
Just go by the fuel/percentage gauge and trip meter like the good ol' days.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 03, 2024, 08:49:40 AMJust go by the fuel/percentage gauge and trip meter like the good ol' days.
It's a bit different with EVs than gas cars. With a gas car, worst case, you stop slightly earlier at the million of gas stations available. Way more critical in an EV.
I just hate having to calculate in my head while driving.
Quote from: MrH on January 03, 2024, 07:57:35 AMOk, I've talked about how great this thing is. But the range estimation is bad. I don't understand the logic. I need someone at Ford to explain to me like I'm 5 on why this is so bad.
Charge to 90% every night as recommended. This morning, says I have 271 miles of range. That implies a 2.3 mi/kWh efficiency. I have never once gotten that. I drive 35 miles to work. I'm now down to 74% charge. Calculates out to 1.68 mi/kWh. That's pretty much exactly what my trip computer has been saying this whole time.
What does the range estimate on the car show now? 191 miles of range, 74% charge. Implies a 1.97 mi/kWh. 35 miles of driving showed a decrease of 80 miles of range. And it's still like 30 miles higher than it should be.
It is waaaaay too slow to adjust the meter to your actual consumption rate, and seems to reset to be overly optimistic. Every charge resets back to 2.3 mi/kWh assumptions.
This shouldn't be so hard. Take like the last 5 trips efficiency average, apply that forward looking. The Bolt basically did something like that, and was slightly on the conservative side. I never had to think about it much. I feel like I'm constantly doing math to try and correct in my head for where this thing is at.
If they can't even get close, just let me input my efficiency and calculate off that. I can do a better job predicting than the car can.
Yeah the Bolt guess-o-meter isn't too bad. I'd rather be able to beat the GOM than constantly underperform it.
Apparently it used to be dead nuts accurate. Then people complained that they would charge to 100% and it wouldn't show the EPA range, so they changed it to do that in February last year and now it's worthless. :rage: :rage: :rage:
It's bad because Ford is trying to cover up cheating on the EPA range
Quote from: r0tor on January 03, 2024, 09:43:00 AMIt's bad because Ford is trying to cover up cheating on the EPA range
I don't think that's right.
MrH got me googling how the EPA comes up with its EV range estimates. I found a great CNBC video, which I've put in the EVs thread since it's a bigger issue than just one vehicle model.
https://www.carspin.club/index.php/topic,34841.3300.html
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 03, 2024, 10:17:34 AMI don't think that's right.
MrH got me googling how the EPA comes up with its EV range estimates. I found a great CNBC video, which I've put in the EVs thread since it's a bigger issue than just one vehicle model.
https://www.carspin.club/index.php/topic,34841.3300.html
It's not a secret that the Lightening gets 25-30% less range than advertised. Lawyers are just scampering at this point to show customers it's not that they lied, but the owners driving habits that reduce range.
To add insult to injury it's real world charging time is also not great
https://fordauthority.com/2024/01/ford-f-150-lightning-performs-poorly-in-fast-charging-test/
How did they cheat on the EPA range? Did they not follow the procedures correctly?
Or, is it more likely that the EPA guidelines are bad and need to be updated to better match real-world driving?
Tesla has similar well-known issues of EPA rating vs. real-world. The standards need to be better to get a better comparison between OEMs
I haven't read enough but I believe all the EPA stuff is based on calculations, and not actual road tests?..
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 03, 2024, 10:31:26 AMHow did they cheat on the EPA range? Did they not follow the procedures correctly?
Or, is it more likely that the EPA guidelines are bad and need to be updated to better match real-world driving?
Tesla has similar well-known issues of EPA rating vs. real-world. The standards need to be better to get a better comparison between OEMs
C&D has several articles on this. Cumulative cliff notes from what I remember is the EPA allows for OEMs to either directly test or calculate the range themselves. There doesn't seem to be a correlation between real world accuracy and which method is used.
Range in an EV is a super critical selling point and the vehicles are literally just rolling computers. EV range is also super sensitive to aero losses, frictional losses, HVAC, and driving conditions. It's pretty clear many OEMs are gaming the system somewhere in there. Weather it's dieselgate like chest code or just carefully optimized vehicles to reduce friction isn't clear. Hell, it could be as easy as some code that allows more of the battery capacity to be used than in production cars.
About 3/4 of EVs C&D tested resulted in worse range, while on average ICE vehicles beat their mpg estimates. EU ranges are even more wacky.
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 03, 2024, 10:17:34 AMI don't think that's right.
MrH got me googling how the EPA comes up with its EV range estimates. I found a great CNBC video, which I've put in the EVs thread since it's a bigger issue than just one vehicle model.
https://www.carspin.club/index.php/topic,34841.3300.html
EPA is a highway & city mix. The Lightning sees a bigger drop off with highway driving than most EVs because it's so big. Not that big of a deal, just want the computer to calculate in a logical way.
The Bolt also had a way to show min/max range, which was really helpful. And a little bar that showed if you were trending towards the min or the max based on how you were driving. They did a lot of little tiny things like that in the Bolt that were really handy.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 03, 2024, 10:31:26 AMHow did they cheat on the EPA range? Did they not follow the procedures correctly?
Or, is it more likely that the EPA guidelines are bad and need to be updated to better match real-world driving?
Tesla has similar well-known issues of EPA rating vs. real-world. The standards need to be better to get a better comparison between OEMs
Tesla has internal documents about how to scam and ignore customer complaints about range.
Government allowing industry to self attest is a plague. Bad incentives abound.
Quote from: Laconian on January 03, 2024, 11:34:54 AMGovernment allowing industry to self attest is a plague. Bad incentives abound.
Naaaah, I see no problems there :thumbsup:
Mike, do you have an OBD reader? If you want stats for nerds then you can use your smartphone to get the raw data. Most/all of the info can be read in its raw, standardized form.
Quote from: Laconian on January 03, 2024, 02:05:30 PMMike, do you have an OBD reader? If you want stats for nerds then you can use your smartphone to get the raw data. Most/all of the info can be read in its raw, standardized form.
Yeah. It just reads pure kWh's remaining in the battery. That's basically just your percentage spit out a different way. It's just lame there's a range estimation in giant font above it that is comically wrong all the time.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-ford-f-150-lightning-xlt-yearlong-review-update-6/
Quote from: MrH on January 03, 2024, 02:22:31 PMYeah. It just reads pure kWh's remaining in the battery. That's basically just your percentage spit out a different way. It's just lame there's a range estimation in giant font above it that is comically wrong all the time.
Yeah that's bullshit. It should be illegal.
Quote from: Rich on January 03, 2024, 03:35:41 PMhttps://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-ford-f-150-lightning-xlt-yearlong-review-update-6/
I saw that. That all started with a post on the Lightning forum. Shame it's really ugly and expensive. And probably won't add much range :lol:
Also, Ford changed up pricing for 2024 model year. I was debating going for a Flash trim 2024 instead. Good thing I didn't.
Prices for Lariat went up $2k, Flash went up $3.5k. So I ended up getting all the luxury features of the Lariat over the Flash, and it was $15k cheaper than if I waited for a 2024. All for not getting a heat pump. Definitely was the right move.
Nice!
Ok, so I'm not going crazy. Motor Trend saw the exact same thing that I did that makes zero sense. I've reduced my limit charge to 80% for at home charging, let's see if that fixes it.
QuoteHere's something else odd we noticed: If we charge our F-150 Lightning to 100 percent on a Level 3 DC fast charger, we'll usually get an estimated range in the ballpark of 230 to 245 miles, depending on how we've been driving the truck lately. However, if we run the battery down slightly to 99 percent and plug into a Level 2 AC charger or Level 1 wall outlet, by the time the battery hits 100 percent again, the range-to-empty will display between 320 and 326 miles. Surely that 1 percent jolt of AC juice isn't good for an extra 81 miles, is it? What gives?
A spokesperson told us that in the spring Ford had "updated how range is displayed to our customers above 80 percent state of charge [on] Level 1 and 2 [chargers], to show what range is possible for long trips according to the EPA standard.... As the battery energy depletes, the range figure will update according to the conditions and driving style. " It's worth noting that EPA range is based on a mix of 55 percent urban and 45 percent highway driving.
In other words, if you plug your F-150 Lightning into a Level 1 or 2 charger and charge it above 80 percent, the truck's range meter will display an unrealistically high range estimate.
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I haxored Ford and found this:
estimate.c:
...
// this is a hack, jim farley made me do it
// TODO: revisit this later (probably never)
if (source != SOURCE_LEVEL3) {
range *= 1.5;
}
...
You can't argue with the algorithm. That's like arguing against science itself.
You should be doing 80% anyways, NMC chemistry doesn't enjoy being topped off.
Quote from: Laconian on January 08, 2024, 04:00:52 PMYou should be doing 80% anyways, NMC chemistry doesn't enjoy being topped off.
Ford has a big buffer already on the battery. 131 kWh usable, but it's 143 kWh gross. 90% charge is like 82% charge of gross.
Ford recommends 90%, but now that I know this dumb calculation happens, maybe they realized the true EV people who want the cold hard truth would charge to 80%. The simpletons who don't understand and want the EPA range to show on the display charge to 90%.
Same here then, the EV6 has a gross battery size of 77.4kWh but only 72.6 is usable.
I need to just stop thinking about it. Seems like if I just charge to 80%, it's a lot more accurate. Realistically, even driving with the heater blasting, going 75-80 mph on the highway, this gets more range than the Bolt. I'll get 180 miles of range worst case with an 80% charge.
A few more things to bitch about, then I'm done. I'm overall thrilled with the car. It's really impressive and it surprises me every day with how certain things are designed, but there are some real head scratchers. :lol:
They put in a beautiful LCD screen for digital gauges. It's big, bright, fast refresh, etc. But you can't really configure it much? Standard display is charge/power & battery on the left, digital speedometer with a ring around that lights up as you go, but isn't really labeled?
(https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2023-ford-f-150-lightning-gauge-cluster-carbuzz-1131146-1600.jpg)
You can change the middle to show trip info, power distribution, driver aids, etc. But that's it. Left and right side are set.
There is one mode called "calm mode" that simplifies it all. Speed readout in the middle, minimal everything else. When you use blue cruise though, look at this layout disaster :wtf:
(https://i.imgur.com/EmAWqZ7.jpg)
Why are the graphics so tiny of the truck?
Why is the speed spaced further to the right than the battery info is to the left? Why is this so asymmetrical when there's so much space?
I'm just shocked this kind of weird stuff makes it through UX acceptance.
It's like they digitized an old Focus dashboard
Is that screen larger than the Mach-E? I think the Mach-E looks similar but it's a pretty small screen in front of the driver. Definitely looks strange on a large screen.
Does Blue Cruise render nearby cars? A small depiction of your own truck isn't a bad idea if it frees up real estate for showing the traffic around you.
IMO for the home charger folks, range is a pointless stat not worth worrying about it so long as it's good enough for 95% of one's driving needs.
DCFC dependency obviously changes things but I probably wouldn't buy an EV if I was in that boat. Even a Tesla - the Prius has a lower cost per mile on gas than the Model 3 does on SC, and can go far longer between refueling stops.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 09, 2024, 11:45:36 AMIs that screen larger than the Mach-E? I think the Mach-E looks similar but it's a pretty small screen in front of the driver. Definitely looks strange on a large screen.
Yeah, that's definitely it. Mustang Mach-E has a 10.2" screen that's really wide. Lightning has a 12" screen that has a more normal ratio. It looks like they just ported it right over and didn't scale or redo the layout.
(https://preview.redd.it/mustang-mache-range-sucks-v0-e04a1d9fgy8a1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=40fb0ec7a934df2db0377f8d7f77618f4392e8de)
Quote from: Laconian on January 09, 2024, 12:19:13 PMDoes Blue Cruise render nearby cars? A small depiction of your own truck isn't a bad idea if it frees up real estate for showing the traffic around you.
IMO for the home charger folks, range is a pointless stat not worth worrying about it so long as it's good enough for 95% of one's driving needs.
DCFC dependency obviously changes things but I probably wouldn't buy an EV if I was in that boat. Even a Tesla - the Prius has a lower cost per mile on gas than the Model 3 does on SC, and can go far longer between refueling stops.
Just shows a vehicle in front of you if you're locked onto something in traffic.
It's kind of silly to show traffic on your gauge cluster? You can just look out of the window and see it too. :huh:
I agree, but it's one of the things Tesla's done for years that's just expected nowadays. On the EV6 you see a formation of marshmallows moving around the car when you drive on the highway. I guess it's nice for planning a lane change, it's more nuanced than the blind spot alarm.
Quote from: Laconian on January 09, 2024, 03:31:42 PMI agree, but it's one of the things Tesla's done for years that's just expected nowadays. On the EV6 you see a formation of marshmallows moving around the car when you drive on the highway. I guess it's nice for planning a lane change, it's more nuanced than the blind spot alarm.
Tesla also crashes into stuff and kills their customers. :huh: It gives people a false sense of security IMO
Quote from: MrH on January 09, 2024, 03:43:01 PMTesla also crashes into stuff and kills their customers. :huh: It gives people a false sense of security IMO
And they catch fire. Every burning car you see is a Tesla, whether it's a Tesla or not.
Also all of them are recalled every week. And there are no dealers to take them to to get the fixes done.
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 10, 2024, 04:21:44 AMAnd they catch fire. Every burning car you see is a Tesla, whether it's a Tesla or not.
Also all of them are recalled every week. And there are no dealers to take them to to get the fixes done.
Well, you aren't wrong. They do catch fire a lot. Some interesting comparisons:
Tesla:
218 confirmed fires
80 fatalities
Ford Pinto:
38 fires
27 fatalities
Granted, Tesla has sold something around 5 million total vehicles. The Pinto was around 1.5 million. Adjusted for volume...
Tesla:
1 fire for every 23k vehicles
1 death for every 62.5k vehicles
Pinto:
1 fire for every 39.5k vehicles
1 death for every 55.5k vehicles
So definitely higher absolute numbers for Tesla. Higher rate of fires for Tesla. Higher death rate for Pintos.
Keep in mind, this is a user compiled database for fires and deaths with Tesla, with sources cited for every single entry. Tesla has dramatically underreported to NHTSA already. The number is definitely not all inclusive.
Been sick since last week. Finally drove into the office today in the winter tundra.
A few things:
- Efficiency is in the dumpster :lol: Still plenty of range for my daily commute with only charging to 80%, but I'm glad I got the extended range. It's a big truck. Huge weight to lug around, huge interior to keep warm, huge batteries to keep warm.
The Bolt really is kind of special in their design approach. Tons of stuff was done to maximize efficiency, and it pays dividends with EVs. There's a lot of diminishing returns when you keep scaling the battery bigger and bigger. 1 kWh of battery added adds less and less range.
- I was charging the Lightning with my old Bolt charger. Dealer asked if I could throw it in with the car. I originally forgot it, and figured they'd just send it to auction anyways, but since they asked, I returned it.
- I opened the Ford Mobile Charger that was included with the truck. Apparently it only supports 32 amps. The Bolt charger did 40 amps, so charging is a bit slower.
- The massive 80 amp wall charger is getting delivered today. Need to get an electrician out to install it, but it will be nice to be able to top up fast if needed.
Ordered a tonneau cover. Researched for awhile and picked one. Turns out, it's the same one my boss, and 2 others at work went with too.
(https://realtruck.com/production/bak-revolver-x4s-2021-2022-ford-lightning-rapid-red-0822-01/r/860x650/fff/80/7ab4d79b766fa28abfde93497cda7a99.jpeg)
I like the soft rollup. Still have full use of the bed, unlike the hard trifolds.
TUNDRA has a rollup tonneau. Hook & loop around the perimeter. Works nice as fuck
It's technically a hard roll up I guess. It has aluminum slates the entire way, so you can't cut into it and it can have snow on it without sagging, etc.
It's locked too when it's rolled down. You open the tailgate and pull a wire to unlock it and roll it up.
The trifolds are kind of a mess. When you fold them up, you can't see out of the back. The retractable ones requires a massive cannister that takes up a lot of bed space. This seems to be the best compromise of all the designs I've seen.
Quote from: MrH on January 23, 2024, 12:52:36 PMOrdered a tonneau cover. Researched for awhile and picked one. Turns out, it's the same one my boss, and 2 others at work went with too.
(https://realtruck.com/production/bak-revolver-x4s-2021-2022-ford-lightning-rapid-red-0822-01/r/860x650/fff/80/7ab4d79b766fa28abfde93497cda7a99.jpeg)
Your boss and two colleagues all have Ford Lightnings? Or just 1/2 ton pickups?
You could go full grandpa
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Quote from: MrH on January 23, 2024, 02:44:39 PMIt's technically a hard roll up I guess.
Love it!
I'm guessing more than the $400 for our regular soft rollup. (Fordpass points paid for half though)
I like those rollups. Looks like the best compromise
I have gone full grandpa three times before. It's not bad at all.
Quote from: veeman on January 23, 2024, 04:06:30 PMYour boss and two colleagues all have Ford Lightnings? Or just 1/2 ton pickups?
Within 2 weeks, I bought the Lightning, my boss bought a Roush F-150 with the 5.0L V8, and another coworker bought a Raptor with the Ecoboost.
Feels like we should be filming an episode of Top Gear or something to determine the best F-150 :lol:
Another coworker has a normal F-150 has the same tonneau cover too.
Quote from: MrH on January 24, 2024, 07:21:43 AMWithin 2 weeks, I bought the Lightning, my boss bought a Roush F-150 with the 5.0L V8, and another coworker bought a Raptor with the Ecoboost.
Feels like we should be filming an episode of Top Gear or something to determine the best F-150 :lol:
Another coworker has a normal F-150 has the same tonneau cover too.
That's awesome.
Where I commute to work (NYC) you rarely see full size pickups as personal cars. They're too cumbersome (long and wide) to parallel park on city streets and inside tight parking garages. Out in the rural burbs where I live, I see a fair number. Often they're owned be people who also use them for their work. I think being a commuter town to NYC limits their appeal. Lots of Wranglers and Broncos though.
Quote from: veeman on January 24, 2024, 07:55:22 AMThat's awesome.
Where I commute to work (NYC) you rarely see full size pickups as personal cars. They're too cumbersome (long and wide) to parallel park on city streets and inside tight parking garages. Out in the rural burbs where I live, I see a fair number. Often they're owned be people who also use them for their work. I think being a commuter town to NYC limits their appeal. Lots of Wranglers and Broncos though.
In the midwest, crew cab, short bed trucks are pretty common for family vehicles. Most live in the suburbs and don't parallel park or use tight parking garages often, if ever. Tons of people have them that don't need them for work. All my coworkers are just suburban dads that work in an office :lol: Probably 1/3 of vehicles on the road here are trucks.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 24, 2024, 03:49:34 AMI have gone full grandpa three times before. It's not bad at all.
Those shells are wild. They're like $4k-$5k! I can't imagine a world where that's worth it at all. Just buy an SUV instead.
Quote from: MrH on January 24, 2024, 08:32:08 AMIn the midwest, crew cab, short bed trucks are pretty common for family vehicles. Most live in the suburbs and don't parallel park or use tight parking garages often, if ever. Tons of people have them that don't need them for work. All my coworkers are just suburban dads that work in an office :lol: Probably 1/3 of vehicles on the road here are trucks.
Those shells are wild. They're like $4k-$5k! I can't imagine a world where that's worth it at all. Just buy an SUV instead.
I have never bought a new one. Used ones are usually 300 bucks or less.
My dad and extended family all had caps on their trucks in the 80s/90s... Always looked terrible but was functional.
Yeah a cap gives you closed cargo you don't care about getting dirty. Plus you can always take it off.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 23, 2024, 07:13:20 PMLove it!
I'm guessing more than the $400 for our regular soft rollup. (Fordpass points paid for half though)
MSRP is $1200. Was able to get for $1020 through a Lightning forum because they're a sponsor. Not cheap, but seemed worth it. The retractable tonneau covers are pushing $2,000+, and the electric retractable ones are like $3,000 :mask:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 24, 2024, 08:59:55 AMI have never bought a new one. Used ones are usually 300 bucks or less.
I looked briefly at used tonneau covers. The people on facebook market place are delusional. 3+ year old tonneau covers for just 20% off a new one. I'd rather pay the extra money than deal with someone on there.
The 80 amp charger is getting installed now. It's like a cartoon. Huge ass box. I'll take a picture when it's done.
CANYONERO! Whole neighborhood might dim when I plug in.
(https://i.imgur.com/kfAw2JU.jpeg)
Nice, and you can still use that 240v outlet?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 12, 2024, 12:24:23 PMNice, and you can still use that 240v outlet?
Yep. I'm going to be close to hitting the max current for my whole panel if I use both + HVAC, etc. Instead of totally scrapping the 240v outlet, I told them to leave it. If the wife ends up getting a PHEV or EV, we could use that and just time them to charge at different times. Or if my new monster charger stops working, I can use the 240 outlet in the mean time.
Quote from: MrH on February 12, 2024, 11:54:28 AMCANYONERO! Whole neighborhood might dim when I plug in.
(https://i.imgur.com/kfAw2JU.jpeg)
The person who installed it looks like they used their feet a lot in the installation process based on all the foot prints on the wall. Maybe that means the charger is nice and tightly attached to the wall :)
Sadly, that was the previous owner of the house. They would hang bikes on this wall I think, so those are all tire tread marks.
Eventually I'll clean up this drywall and paint it all, but it's pretty far down my list of things to do on this house :cry:
10 minutes and a Magic Eraser. 🤘
The company that installed my EV charger said my city/electricity provider requires them to also put in a load management device. If city wide electricity load is too high, they can shut off power to my charger. The installer said he's never heard of them actually doing that yet...
Quote from: veeman on February 13, 2024, 10:14:36 AMThe company that installed my EV charger said my city/electricity provider requires them to also put in a load management device. If city wide electricity load is too high, they can shut off power to my charger. The installer said he's never heard of them actually doing that yet...
My power company does that if you take their $200-300 rebate. I just paid for my whole charger and installation on my own so I don't have to worry about that.
Quote from: veeman on February 13, 2024, 10:14:36 AMThe company that installed my EV charger said my city/electricity provider requires them to also put in a load management device. If city wide electricity load is too high, they can shut off power to my charger. The installer said he's never heard of them actually doing that yet...
Hellllll no. I would never agree to that. My electric company doesn't even have variable pricing based on the time of day. If they want to balance the load on the grid, they can incentivize me to help them.
Our utility company uses pricing tiers but they aren't based on time of day, just on how much you use. The first tier goes up to 500kWh, the second tier the next 500kWh and the third tier for everything above 1000kWh. Using AC in the summer months puts most of the bill in the third tier.
Quote from: MrH on February 13, 2024, 11:28:23 AMHellllll no. I would never agree to that. My electric company doesn't even have variable pricing based on the time of day. If they want to balance the load on the grid, they can incentivize me to help them.
Exactly my situation. We have appliances that can be set to time-delay operation. Completely useless here; I was given a firm "nope" when I called the utility, she probably thought I was some kind of effete treehugger.
The installer for my charger said my city/electric provider requires it and so didn't give me a choice. After they installed the charger and load management device, a few months later a town inspector inspected it. I felt like a third party to this whole process because the installer, via email, gave me a list of dates and times that the town inspector could come to take a look at it and to tell them which one worked for me. I didn't care though. They installed it so I wasn't worried it wouldn't pass inspection.
Our electricity provider has a rebate program if you sign up to charge your EV during off peak hours (which are pretty generous) but it's not that big of a rebate and I didn't sign up for it.
On a whim, I checked Reddit while getting ready for work yesterday. Someone posted on the Lightning subreddit that he discovered they opened the reservation list for the free Tesla Supercharger adapter. Saw it like 15 minutes after he posted it. I quickly signed up.
Press release goes out at 8:00 AM, website gets flooded and crashes. At like 10:00 AM, it came back up and by 2:00, they were up over 10,000 orders, with delivery pushing back into June. Now it's at 27k+ and into August :mask:
I'm order #122 with an April delivery. I don't necessarily "need" it, but got lucky here. It'll just be nice peace of mind that I can road trip and can use most of Tesla's network in addition to Electrify America etc. I'll probably take a trip or two this summer with the truck that will require its first public charging.
Quote from: MrH on March 01, 2024, 07:10:44 AMOn a whim, I checked Reddit while getting ready for work yesterday. Someone posted on the Lightning subreddit that he discovered they opened the reservation list for the free Tesla Supercharger adapter. Saw it like 15 minutes after he posted it. I quickly signed up.
Press release goes out at 8:00 AM, website gets flooded and crashes. At like 10:00 AM, it came back up and by 2:00, they were up over 10,000 orders, with delivery pushing back into June. Now it's at 27k+ and into August :mask:
I'm order #122 with an April delivery. I don't necessarily "need" it, but got lucky here. It'll just be nice peace of mind that I can road trip and can use most of Tesla's network in addition to Electrify America etc. I'll probably take a trip or two this summer with the truck that will require its first public charging.
You may already be planning this, but for something like that I'd try it out at least once before assuming it will work later on during a road trip.
I'd sell that thing for 3x profit and buy it again later this year.
Yeah, I'll give it a shot once the adapter comes in.
The software situation with Lightnings is kind of a mess though. Everyone is on different releases. It's the exact opposite of iPhone OS updates, which basically releases to everyone at the same time.
I never got a software update until a few weeks back. That was my first, and then I got another about a week later. I'm still probably 5-10 revisions behind the latest. I don't understand their strategy at all here. Sounds like it's a combination of being really risk averse and wanting to slow roll everything in case a truck gets bricked, and there was a situation where the car wasn't reading 12 volt battery charge correctly, so it was not allowing cars to download updates thinking the battery was too low.
I think I need to get caught up in order for the seamless pay to work with superchargers (you just drive up, and plugin and it charges through the Ford app).
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 01, 2024, 08:25:41 AMI'd sell that thing for 3x profit and buy it again later this year.
:hesaid:
Why DCFC when you never have to?
Plus filling up that XXL battery at Supercharger prices, yeesh.
:confused: It's just for road trips? You think I would go drive to a local supercharger and use that instead of my home 80 amp system?
Quote from: MrH on March 01, 2024, 09:40:52 AM:confused: It's just for road trips? You think I would go drive to a local supercharger and use that instead of my home 80 amp system?
Wouldn't the RDX be a great road tripper?
Haha nice score!
Quote from: Laconian on March 01, 2024, 09:43:30 AMWouldn't the RDX be a great road tripper?
It's ok. The Lightning is much more spacious and comfortable. Blue Cruise is great for road trips too. Depends on the trip.
Might need to haul some stuff back from my brother's place in Pittsburgh. Also might be doing a guys trip with college buddies to the Bourbon Trail this summer. For some reason, I'm one of the shorter ones in our group of college friends and I'm 6'2". The Lightning would be preferred for those trips.
Quote from: MrH on March 01, 2024, 07:10:44 AMOn a whim, I checked Reddit while getting ready for work yesterday. Someone posted on the Lightning subreddit that he discovered they opened the reservation list for the free Tesla Supercharger adapter. Saw it like 15 minutes after he posted it. I quickly signed up.
Press release goes out at 8:00 AM, website gets flooded and crashes. At like 10:00 AM, it came back up and by 2:00, they were up over 10,000 orders, with delivery pushing back into June. Now it's at 27k+ and into August :mask:
I'm order #122 with an April delivery. I don't necessarily "need" it, but got lucky here. It'll just be nice peace of mind that I can road trip and can use most of Tesla's network in addition to Electrify America etc. I'll probably take a trip or two this summer with the truck that will require its first public charging.
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