http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...rticleId=105684 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=105684)
"Hummer says it takes about 10.1 seconds to hit 60 mph in a manual-shift H3 and 10.3 in an automatic. "
Can you say slow? :P But other than that, this Hummer seems to be pretty impressive. It has good road manners (In a Hummer?), a roomy, quality material interior (In a Hummer?), but it still has awesome Hummer off road capability.
(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/hummer.h3/06.hummer.h3.r34.500.jpg)
With 33-inch all-terrain rubber and crazy wheel articulation, the H3 is about as capable as they come among stock SUVs.
(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/hummer.h3/06.hummer.h3.prf.500.jpg)
A 4-to-1 transfer case gives the 2006 Hummer H3 an excellent crawl ratio, allowing it to ease down rocky slopes without the benefit of hill descent control.
(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/hummer.h3/06.hummer.h3.int.500.jpg)
With its clean design and quality materials, the H3's cabin is one of the very best in the GM lineup. A navigation system will be available as an option midyear.
Maybe this is a good SUV after all.
Thats not the article BTW, thats my summary.
I like the long shifter! :praise: lol
It's a Hummer...that's all there is to really say about it...
I think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
QuoteI think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
That's 100% true. Most of the Hummers are kept clean and shiny and are laden with 24 inch chrome spinners and stuff...no one really uses them for off-road... <_<
QuoteI think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
But you're wrong about one thing: its good for more that just off roading. It has a good interior, CD, DVD, Navi (soon) and a Monsoon sound system. And it is well mannered on road.
I built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
QuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
Finally...I was waiting for you to post in this thread so I could get some insight out of you, Ifcar.
QuoteFinally...I was waiting for you to post in this thread so I could get some insight out of you, Ifcar.
My Internet had been down since 9AM. :angry:
QuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
What the hell? What is that strange leather covered stalk in the middle of the consle? Could GM actually be puting a manual transmisson in a mainstream vehicle? Naw, must just be a weird automatic shifter.
QuoteWhat the hell? What is that strange leather covered stalk in the middle of the consle? Could GM actually be puting a manual transmisson in a mainstream vehicle? Naw, must just be a weird automatic shifter.
:P Nice one
QuoteWhat the hell? What is that strange leather covered stalk in the middle of the consle? Could GM actually be puting a manual transmisson in a mainstream vehicle? Naw, must just be a weird automatic shifter.
Some people just can't bring themselves to compliment GM. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
Its not as good? (Offroad(GC)) I think the Hummer would be much better...
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
Its not as good? (Offroad(GC)) I think the Hummer would be much better...
How heavy-duty is his off-roading? A GC 4WD should be able to handle a lot of abuse off road.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
Its not as good? (Offroad(GC)) I think the Hummer would be much better...
How heavy-duty is his off-roading? A GC 4WD should be able to handle a lot of abuse off road.
I'm not sure, but from knowing this guy, I think it'd be pretty heavy. I would think that the GC would be a bit behind...I mean look at that one pic of the H3 about wheel articulation...I dont think a GC can do that. But how would I know? We need someone who would...93JC, where are you when we need you?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
Its not as good? (Offroad(GC)) I think the Hummer would be much better...
How heavy-duty is his off-roading? A GC 4WD should be able to handle a lot of abuse off road.
I'm not sure, but from knowing this guy, I think it'd be pretty heavy. I would think that the GC would be a bit behind...I mean look at that one pic of the H3 about wheel articulation...I dont think a GC can do that. But how would I know? We need someone who would...93JC, where are you when we need you?
There's no doubt that the H3 can do more. But I'd suspect that the Grand Cherokee should still be fine for what he's doing, even it has surprising off-road capability (though not by hard-core 93JC standards).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
Its not as good? (Offroad(GC)) I think the Hummer would be much better...
How heavy-duty is his off-roading? A GC 4WD should be able to handle a lot of abuse off road.
I'm not sure, but from knowing this guy, I think it'd be pretty heavy. I would think that the GC would be a bit behind...I mean look at that one pic of the H3 about wheel articulation...I dont think a GC can do that. But how would I know? We need someone who would...93JC, where are you when we need you?
There's no doubt that the H3 can do more. But I'd suspect that the Grand Cherokee should still be fine for what he's doing, even it has surprising off-road capability (though not by hard-core 93JC standards).
Is this a solid axle or is it a independent suspension?
The Hummer def. has a solid rear, and I'm pretty sure its the same with the GC.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
Its not as good? (Offroad(GC)) I think the Hummer would be much better...
How heavy-duty is his off-roading? A GC 4WD should be able to handle a lot of abuse off road.
I'm not sure, but from knowing this guy, I think it'd be pretty heavy. I would think that the GC would be a bit behind...I mean look at that one pic of the H3 about wheel articulation...I dont think a GC can do that. But how would I know? We need someone who would...93JC, where are you when we need you?
There's no doubt that the H3 can do more. But I'd suspect that the Grand Cherokee should still be fine for what he's doing, even it has surprising off-road capability (though not by hard-core 93JC standards).
Hardcore standards? What hardcore standards? My standards for what is good offroad are not "hardcore". If a vehicle can't venture far offroad (dirt and gravel roads are not "offroad". Off-pavement, but not offroad), for whatever reason (be it low ground clearance, poor articulation, poor tires, etc.), then it's not very good offroad.
The new Grand Cherokee is not very good offroad. It is limited by a very low ground clearance, various design issues (the front airdam for example), IFS and tires that are no more suited to offroad travel than a sedan's. The H3 is undeniably better, stock-for-stock.
I thought so. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
Its not as good? (Offroad(GC)) I think the Hummer would be much better...
How heavy-duty is his off-roading? A GC 4WD should be able to handle a lot of abuse off road.
I'm not sure, but from knowing this guy, I think it'd be pretty heavy. I would think that the GC would be a bit behind...I mean look at that one pic of the H3 about wheel articulation...I dont think a GC can do that. But how would I know? We need someone who would...93JC, where are you when we need you?
There's no doubt that the H3 can do more. But I'd suspect that the Grand Cherokee should still be fine for what he's doing, even it has surprising off-road capability (though not by hard-core 93JC standards).
Hardcore standards? What hardcore standards? My standards for what is good offroad are not "hardcore". If a vehicle can't venture far offroad (dirt and gravel roads are not "offroad". Off-pavement, but not offroad), for whatever reason (be it low ground clearance, poor articulation, poor tires, etc.), then it's not very good offroad.
The new Grand Cherokee is not very good offroad. It is limited by a very low ground clearance, various design issues (the front airdam for example), IFS and tires that are no more suited to offroad travel than a sedan's. The H3 is undeniably better, stock-for-stock.
First of all, FIU and I were talking about the 99-04 gen Grand Cherokee, not the new one. Secondly, it entirely depends on how far off-road beyond the unpaved road you want to go. I'd find it hard to believe that this guy would need capabilities past what the GC offers. It's no H3, but it all depends how much he needs it to do.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI built an H3...
Exterior Color: Boulder Gray Metallic
Luxury Package: Leather-trimmed front and rear seats. 6-disc CD changer with AM/FM stereo. 7-speaker Monsoon sound system. Front and rear carpeted floor mats.
5-Speed Manual Transmission
$32,625
Whats in the 30K price range? Jeep GC and what else?
Any midsize SUV can end up in that price range, so I'd expect to see the H3 competing against vehicles as mainstream as the Explorer, TrailBlazer, 4Runner, and Pathfinder. People considering those vehicles may get drawn to the Hummer image instead of chosing a like-priced 4WD Camry or Taurus.
This would sell much better with a V8, or even the I6 from the TrailBlazer family. GM must have some logic for not making larger engines available on this or the Colorado, but I don't see it.
From that selection, I think it best competes with the GC, 4runner, and Pathfinder, cause theyre good offroad. The others, bleh, it'll suck there.
Off-road ability isn't probably going to be the biggest concern from most buyers, it's the look.
Well thats true, but what I meant is that the H3 is great for those looking for some off road ability. For instance, the H3 would be the perfect car for my friends dad. He currently has a last gen GC V8, and also has two CJ7's. He loves to go offroading, but still uses his GC as a daily driver and for road trips where they haul a bunch of stuff. The Hummer has the Hummerness for the off road, and the interior and goodies for a DD/road trip car.
Hmmm...I think this Hummer I like.
If he could use the H3 as both a weekend off-roader and as a daily driver, why couldn't he do the same with his GC?
Its not as good? (Offroad(GC)) I think the Hummer would be much better...
How heavy-duty is his off-roading? A GC 4WD should be able to handle a lot of abuse off road.
I'm not sure, but from knowing this guy, I think it'd be pretty heavy. I would think that the GC would be a bit behind...I mean look at that one pic of the H3 about wheel articulation...I dont think a GC can do that. But how would I know? We need someone who would...93JC, where are you when we need you?
There's no doubt that the H3 can do more. But I'd suspect that the Grand Cherokee should still be fine for what he's doing, even it has surprising off-road capability (though not by hard-core 93JC standards).
Hardcore standards? What hardcore standards? My standards for what is good offroad are not "hardcore". If a vehicle can't venture far offroad (dirt and gravel roads are not "offroad". Off-pavement, but not offroad), for whatever reason (be it low ground clearance, poor articulation, poor tires, etc.), then it's not very good offroad.
The new Grand Cherokee is not very good offroad. It is limited by a very low ground clearance, various design issues (the front airdam for example), IFS and tires that are no more suited to offroad travel than a sedan's. The H3 is undeniably better, stock-for-stock.
First of all, FIU and I were talking about the 99-04 gen Grand Cherokee, not the new one. Secondly, it entirely depends on how far off-road beyond the unpaved road you want to go. I'd find it hard to believe that this guy would need capabilities past what the GC offers. It's no H3, but it all depends how much he needs it to do.
I'll ask my friend.
QuoteQuoteI think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
But you're wrong about one thing: its good for more that just off roading. It has a good interior, CD, DVD, Navi (soon) and a Monsoon sound system. And it is well mannered on road.
Almost all of the suvs in this class have good interiors as well as available navigation systems and up option stereos. What exactly does the H3 offer above a Pathfinder, 4runner, Montero, or Grand Cherokee besides a little extra offroad capability that few buyers will ever use?
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
But you're wrong about one thing: its good for more that just off roading. It has a good interior, CD, DVD, Navi (soon) and a Monsoon sound system. And it is well mannered on road.
Almost all of the suvs in this class have good interiors as well as available navigation systems and up option stereos. What exactly does the H3 offer above a Pathfinder, 4runner, Montero, or Grand Cherokee besides a little extra offroad capability that few buyers will ever use?
It doesn't have to be better than the mainstream SUVs, but it is actually competitive with them for a similar price, and comes with the Hummer image. It won't sell as well as the Pathfinder, 4Runner, or Grand Cherokee (the Montero only sells a few hundred units per month though), but I doubt GM wants to make Hummer into that mainstream of a brand.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
But you're wrong about one thing: its good for more that just off roading. It has a good interior, CD, DVD, Navi (soon) and a Monsoon sound system. And it is well mannered on road.
Almost all of the suvs in this class have good interiors as well as available navigation systems and up option stereos. What exactly does the H3 offer above a Pathfinder, 4runner, Montero, or Grand Cherokee besides a little extra offroad capability that few buyers will ever use?
No, I meant that if someone bought it and didn't go offroading, it wouldnt be a complete waste.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
But you're wrong about one thing: its good for more that just off roading. It has a good interior, CD, DVD, Navi (soon) and a Monsoon sound system. And it is well mannered on road.
Almost all of the suvs in this class have good interiors as well as available navigation systems and up option stereos. What exactly does the H3 offer above a Pathfinder, 4runner, Montero, or Grand Cherokee besides a little extra offroad capability that few buyers will ever use?
It doesn't have to be better than the mainstream SUVs, but it is actually competitive with them for a similar price, and comes with the Hummer image. It won't sell as well as the Pathfinder, 4Runner, or Grand Cherokee (the Montero only sells a few hundred units per month though), but I doubt GM wants to make Hummer into that mainstream of a brand.
Yes I know, I was just saying that the H3 doesn't have anything over its competitors besides its offroad capability.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
But you're wrong about one thing: its good for more that just off roading. It has a good interior, CD, DVD, Navi (soon) and a Monsoon sound system. And it is well mannered on road.
Almost all of the suvs in this class have good interiors as well as available navigation systems and up option stereos. What exactly does the H3 offer above a Pathfinder, 4runner, Montero, or Grand Cherokee besides a little extra offroad capability that few buyers will ever use?
It doesn't have to be better than the mainstream SUVs, but it is actually competitive with them for a similar price, and comes with the Hummer image. It won't sell as well as the Pathfinder, 4Runner, or Grand Cherokee (the Montero only sells a few hundred units per month though), but I doubt GM wants to make Hummer into that mainstream of a brand.
Yes I know, I was just saying that the H3 doesn't have anything over its competitors besides its offroad capability.
Right, and my point was that it doesn't really have to.
I recall reading somewhere(help me out ifcar, if you know what i'm talking about), that the colorado/canyon where originally a daewoo design for the chinese(or some other asian) market. This is why it came out to be a smaller truck with a i-5, not capable of fitting the i-6 in there(probobly no market for a powerful thirsty i-6 in china *shrug). Anyway i recall reading that, if its true(i imagine it is) then that is why the new compact chev trucks turned out how they did. Also since this hummer is based off of those, it suffers the same situation(stuck with the i-5).
I can understand why they transplanted the compact pickups here, with little work to americanize them(big motors). But i'm surprised they didn't strive for more in the hummer, because image is everything in this market.
Of course GM had this problem somewhat solved in concept form(Turbo i-5, 300hp or something like that). However like most great concepts(talking about the motor), it was thrown out for something thats already laying around in the parts bin.
QuoteI recall reading somewhere(help me out ifcar, if you know what i'm talking about), that the colorado/canyon where originally a daewoo design for the chinese(or some other asian) market. This is why it came out to be a smaller truck with a i-5, not capable of fitting the i-6 in there(probobly no market for a powerful thirsty i-6 in china *shrug). Anyway i recall reading that, if its true(i imagine it is) then that is why the new compact chev trucks turned out how they did. Also since this hummer is based off of those, it suffers the same situation(stuck with the i-5).
I can understand why they transplanted the compact pickups here, with little work to americanize them(big motors). But i'm surprised they didn't strive for more in the hummer, because image is everything in this market.
Of course GM had this problem somewhat solved in concept form(Turbo i-5, 300hp or something like that). However like most great concepts(talking about the motor), it was thrown out for something thats already laying around in the parts bin.
I thought the turbo model was a go. But, anyway, the Colorado/Canyon are slightly revised versions of Isuzu's D-max.
QuoteQuoteI recall reading somewhere(help me out ifcar, if you know what i'm talking about), that the colorado/canyon where originally a daewoo design for the chinese(or some other asian) market. This is why it came out to be a smaller truck with a i-5, not capable of fitting the i-6 in there(probobly no market for a powerful thirsty i-6 in china *shrug). Anyway i recall reading that, if its true(i imagine it is) then that is why the new compact chev trucks turned out how they did. Also since this hummer is based off of those, it suffers the same situation(stuck with the i-5).
I can understand why they transplanted the compact pickups here, with little work to americanize them(big motors). But i'm surprised they didn't strive for more in the hummer, because image is everything in this market.
Of course GM had this problem somewhat solved in concept form(Turbo i-5, 300hp or something like that). However like most great concepts(talking about the motor), it was thrown out for something thats already laying around in the parts bin.
I thought the turbo model was a go. But, anyway, the Colorado/Canyon are slightly revised versions of Isuzu's D-max.
That's right, they're from the D-Max. But from everything I've read, the Colorado/Canyon and H3 could accomodate a larger engine, they just don't.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI recall reading somewhere(help me out ifcar, if you know what i'm talking about), that the colorado/canyon where originally a daewoo design for the chinese(or some other asian) market. This is why it came out to be a smaller truck with a i-5, not capable of fitting the i-6 in there(probobly no market for a powerful thirsty i-6 in china *shrug). Anyway i recall reading that, if its true(i imagine it is) then that is why the new compact chev trucks turned out how they did. Also since this hummer is based off of those, it suffers the same situation(stuck with the i-5).
I can understand why they transplanted the compact pickups here, with little work to americanize them(big motors). But i'm surprised they didn't strive for more in the hummer, because image is everything in this market.
Of course GM had this problem somewhat solved in concept form(Turbo i-5, 300hp or something like that). However like most great concepts(talking about the motor), it was thrown out for something thats already laying around in the parts bin.
I thought the turbo model was a go. But, anyway, the Colorado/Canyon are slightly revised versions of Isuzu's D-max.
That's right, they're from the D-Max. But from everything I've read, the Colorado/Canyon and H3 could accomodate a larger engine, they just don't.
The I6 probably would be too long however I am sure they can accomodate a V6, but GM really doesn't have a V6 that is adapted for truck duty besides the 4.3l which just really wouldn't provide any more power than the I5. Besides, by putting the 4.3l in the Canyon/Colorado GM would be admitting that the I6 and its derivatives were never a good idea to start with (and I personally think that is the case).
I've read that the colorado cannot support the I-6 from the trailblazer(the logical top engine choice, IMO).
What did you read that said it could, if you have a link that would be nice.
QuoteI've read that the colorado cannot support the I-6 from the trailblazer(the logical top engine choice, IMO).
What did you read that said it could, if you have a link that would be nice.
I never said that it could accomodate the I6, but I remember hearing (don't recall where) that the 5.3-liter V8 would fit.
Personally I think the engine is fine for this application. This is an offroad vehicle, not for drag racing.
Not that i would mind if they fit the I6, but I think a V8 (or V8 sized V6) would be overkill.
Sure this is an I5...but it is 3.5L of displacement. That should be okay for this class. Maybe GM should try and improve the engine a bit rather than putting something else in there. 220 HP isn't bad, but I am sure they could get ~250 HP and Torque is they revised the engine management. Do these engines have VVT? Actually, maybe stuffing in the new 3.9 from the G6 would be a good idea.
That being said, I am fairly certain I have read that a Turbo I5 is in the works for the second model year.
GM should put that turbo back in, get about 280hp to compete with the V8's. Otherwise, it seems pretty nice, but i'd get an Xterra over this.
Screw this car, the H2, and anyone who buys one.
QuoteScrew this car, the H2, and anyone who buys one.
why?
QuoteQuoteScrew this car, the H2, and anyone who buys one.
why?
yeah...why? <_<
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think it looks better than the H3, but I still think it is pretty much pointless anyway, since 95% of owners will never even use its offroad capabilities. Also, why is GM even bothering with the I5 still? It is gutless compared to just as compact big displacement V6s.
But you're wrong about one thing: its good for more that just off roading. It has a good interior, CD, DVD, Navi (soon) and a Monsoon sound system. And it is well mannered on road.
Almost all of the suvs in this class have good interiors as well as available navigation systems and up option stereos. What exactly does the H3 offer above a Pathfinder, 4runner, Montero, or Grand Cherokee besides a little extra offroad capability that few buyers will ever use?
The H2-like image.
QuoteQuoteQuoteScrew this car, the H2, and anyone who buys one.
why?
yeah...why? <_<
Raza doesnt like SUV's...or at least those that are bought and not used off road.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteScrew this car, the H2, and anyone who buys one.
why?
yeah...why? <_<
Raza doesnt like SUV's...or at least those that are bought and not used off road.
Well then he hates probably 90% of SUV owners! :lol: :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteScrew this car, the H2, and anyone who buys one.
why?
yeah...why? <_<
Raza doesnt like SUV's...or at least those that are bought and not used off road.
Well then he hates probably 90% of SUV owners! :lol: :lol:
:P