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« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2018, 12:00:53 pm »
I’m not sure your point. Yeah, if you fuck something up, bad things happen. I’m not saying accelerate to 120mph and then shift into 2nd immediately. I’m talking about exiting a 2nd gear corner.
MCM was talking about track driving, in which case you would be at triple digit speeds in 5th.

It's also interesting that the extra time spent shifting manuals doesn't matter, but the extra time going through each gear on an automatic does. (Never mind the fact that many autos drop to the lowest gear if you hold the paddle.) :hmm: I believe that's what's called a "double standard"
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« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2018, 12:19:55 pm »
MCM was talking about track driving, in which case you would be at triple digit speeds in 5th.

You brake for the corner, engine revs drop, and you shift from 5th to 2nd to accelerate out.  :huh:

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« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2018, 12:24:40 pm »
A good racer is gonna rev-match downshift through all the gears anyway.

Skipping gears is really only semi-useful on the street.
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« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2018, 12:31:40 pm »
A good racer is gonna rev-match downshift through all the gears anyway.

Skipping gears is really only semi-useful on the street.

Ideally, but not always practical, like when you're making a passing move at the end of a straight. Hard brake, skip down a few gears, hard accelerate out.

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« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2018, 12:57:17 pm »
You brake for the corner, engine revs drop, and you shift from 5th to 2nd to accelerate out.  :huh:
No rev match? That sounds agonizingly slow for the street, let alone the track.

Ideally, but not always practical, like when you're making a passing move at the end of a straight. Hard brake, skip down a few gears, hard accelerate out.
If I'm lining up to get drive after a pass on the brakes I want to keep the engine spinning. Going from 5th to 2nd = waiting for road speed to come down to where it's safe enough to let the clutch out. That = slooooowwwwwww

Admittedly my auto car + sequential boxes on my motorcycle + in Forza have probably immunized me to skip shifting, but even outside of that it's strange that folks who love shifting would skip the opportunity to :hmm:

I don't think it's wrong to prefer manuals as a matter of taste but there are really no objective upsides at this stage of the tech.
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« Reply #65 on: February 22, 2018, 01:01:34 pm »
No rev match? That sounds agonizingly slow for the street, let alone the track.
If I'm lining up to get drive after a pass on the brakes I want to keep the engine spinning. Going from 5th to 2nd = waiting for road speed to come down to where it's safe enough to let the clutch out. That = slooooowwwwwww

Admittedly my auto car + sequential boxes on my motorcycle + in Forza have probably immunized me to skip shifting, but even outside of that it's strange that folks who love shifting would skip the opportunity to :hmm:

I don't think it's wrong to prefer manuals as a matter of taste but there are really no objective upsides at this stage of the tech.

The point was we weren't implying a drop from 5th to 2nd at 156 mph. As for objective upside, there's one... driving involvement.

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« Reply #66 on: February 22, 2018, 03:59:31 pm »
A good racer is gonna rev-match downshift through all the gears anyway.

Skipping gears is really only semi-useful on the street.

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« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2018, 05:40:42 pm »
The point was we weren't implying a drop from 5th to 2nd at 156 mph. As for objective upside, there's one... driving involvement.
Manual shifting is so second nature to me I almost don't find it any more engaging than an auto in manual mode. I think I said before I guess it depends on if you focus on the result or the process. I don't really care about the process... I need the engine at the right revs to get out of the corner, regardless of how I have to get there.
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« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2018, 06:29:40 pm »
I’ll take the GT3 RS.

The closest I’ve gotten to these cars is a Ferrari F430 scuderia on a track and a 991 GT3 on a track. I liked the GT3 a lot more.
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Re: 2 new "dream" cars announced today.....which one would you choose?
« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2018, 06:53:40 pm »
I’ll take the GT3 RS.

The closest I’ve gotten to these cars is a Ferrari F430 scuderia on a track and a 991 GT3 on a track. I liked the GT3 a lot more.

Really? Different strokes I guess. I'd take an old F360 Challenge Stradale over even a modern GT3.
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« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2018, 07:45:51 pm »
MCM was talking about track driving, in which case you would be at triple digit speeds in 5th.

Yeah, but you don’t shift from 5th into 2nd while still accelerating in 5th. That’s basic.

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It's also interesting that the extra time spent shifting manuals doesn't matter, but the extra time going through each gear on an automatic does. (Never mind the fact that many autos drop to the lowest gear if you hold the paddle.) :hmm: I believe that's what's called a "double standard"

Again, you’re jumping to conclusions. When did I talk about time spent tapping your paddles? I was talking more about the annoyance of not getting the gear you want when you want it. No double standard. Try having a conversation instead of an argument.
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« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2018, 07:50:21 pm »
A good racer is gonna rev-match downshift through all the gears anyway.

Skipping gears is really only semi-useful on the street.

Why?

Rev matching during braking seems like a waste of time. Maybe it works out fine in an automatic which does everything for you, but if you’re not matching your revs perfectly you’re literally accelerating while you’re braking, which extends your brake distance. If the point of racing is to accelerate as much as the track will allow to go faster, that means you should brake for as little time as possible. I understand that people do it, I just don’t see the point, especially in a manual. Sure, if you have a computer doing everything for you, have at it.
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« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2018, 07:52:32 pm »
No rev match? That sounds agonizingly slow for the street, let alone the track.
If I'm lining up to get drive after a pass on the brakes I want to keep the engine spinning. Going from 5th to 2nd = waiting for road speed to come down to where it's safe enough to let the clutch out. That = slooooowwwwwww

Admittedly my auto car + sequential boxes on my motorcycle + in Forza have probably immunized me to skip shifting, but even outside of that it's strange that folks who love shifting would skip the opportunity to :hmm:

I don't think it's wrong to prefer manuals as a matter of taste but there are really no objective upsides at this stage of the tech.


I never once said that manuals are better for the track or that there’s an objective reason to choose a manual over an automatic. All I ever said is that I prefer it. Why that bothers you so much, I don’t understand.


Also, in my scenario that you’ve apparently built up in your head as this whole thing says you didn’t understand a thing about what I said. What are you even talking about “waiting for road speed for 2nd”? You’re braking into a corner, not letting off the gas and coasting. Of you match your revs when you shift down to exit the corner. What are you talking about?
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« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2018, 07:55:48 pm »
Manual shifting is so second nature to me I almost don't find it any more engaging than an auto in manual mode. I think I said before I guess it depends on if you focus on the result or the process. I don't really care about the process... I need the engine at the right revs to get out of the corner, regardless of how I have to get there.

That says to me you never really liked driving manual. That’s not a value judgment. I’m just saying if you don’t see a difference then you never really cared for it enough to notice.
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« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2018, 08:34:05 pm »
Really? Different strokes I guess. I'd take an old F360 Challenge Stradale over even a modern GT3.

I really like how 911s drive. The whole rear engine experience is a bit different.

I know it sounds ridiculous, but I was kind of underwhelmed with the scuderia. Handling dynamics were just like the brz cranked to 11. It wasn’t totally different though. Steering feel, turn in, overall grip, all felt similar, just turned up a bit. Of course, engine was from a different planet and the mid engine balance is different. Mid engine cars at the limit are a bit scary to me.
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