Remember when GM made a coal-powered turbine engine car?

Started by cawimmer430, July 19, 2022, 10:43:00 AM

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This is so awesome.  :rockon:  :mrcool:



Remember when GM made a coal-powered turbine engine car? We didn't either

GM dabbled in really alternative fuels in the 1980s but its turbine car wasn't the first or the last on American roads.

Given all of the concerns we have today over vehicle emissions, it's almost impossible to imagine that just a few decades ago, those short-sleeve and long-tie wearing engineers at General Motors came up with a car that would run on coal.

Yes, coal. Or, specifically superfine coal dust. The dust was blown into a turbine engine like you'd find in a jet and burned as fuel. Let us now dip our toes for a moment into the waters of nostalgia with a segment from an ancient episode of MotorWeek that features GM's weird experiment and all scratch our heads together.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CAN5nO1ag0

Of course, GM was far from the first carmaker to experiment with turbine engine-powered cars. Chrysler famously produced a few dozen road-going examples that ran on gasoline, one of which has ended up in the collection of one Mr. Jay Leno. His is one of only two in private hands.

The turbine engine has a lot of desirable traits. It's relatively compact, at high speeds it's pretty efficient, and it can burn damn near anything as fuel, be that jet fuel or gasoline or Drakkar Noir. It's an incredibly smooth means of propulsion because the motion of the motor is all rotational, not reciprocating. It also sounds like a taxiing jet.

Unfortunately, the downside is that the exhaust produced by the turbine is hot enough to set just about anything on fire  -- though Chrysler did figure out a way around this -- and it's not exceptionally efficient when it's idling at 22,000 revolutions per minute, as Mr. Leno points out in his excellent video on the turbine car. Add in the fact that turbine engines are inherently dirty and you see why the idea never really took off.

Leno eventually revisited the idea of the turbine-powered car with his one-off Ecojet project. This used a Lycoming helicopter turbine that was started on conventional Jet A fuel and then transitioned to biofuel which made for much cleaner emissions. His efforts weren't without their problems though, since he didn't go through the same kind of trouble and expense that Chrysler did to cool the exhaust.



Link: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gm-coal-powered-turbine-chrysler-leno-ecojet/
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Fire isn't the only downside. Where am I supposed to find a coal dust station? lol
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Is charcoal close enough? I know where to get that. Kingsford. :lol:
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cawimmer430

Side note, a gas turbine engine was considered for the Panther tank during World War II. I find this fascinating since these engines would have been even thirstier than the Maybach gasoline V12s in German tanks and oil reserves were always a problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT_101
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giant_mtb

Quote from: cawimmer430 on July 20, 2022, 05:24:36 AM
Side note, a gas turbine engine was considered for the Panther tank during World War II. I find this fascinating since these engines would have been even thirstier than the Maybach gasoline V12s in German tanks and oil reserves were always a problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT_101

The modern M1 Abrams tank uses a turbine engine.

cawimmer430

Quote from: giant_mtb on July 20, 2022, 06:08:03 AM
The modern M1 Abrams tank uses a turbine engine.

Yep, and these engines require A LOT of logistical support due to their fuel thirst. But the US Army can afford this so it's no problem. ;)
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Quote from: giant_mtb on July 20, 2022, 06:08:03 AM
The modern M1 Abrams tank uses a turbine engine.

And the US is not currently fighting a losing war with literally everybody while running out of fuel.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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