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QuoteWow....
They took a vehicle that looked quite different from everything else in its category, and actually looked good. And made something that somehow manages to look like every vehicle ever made. Im not even exaggerating there. Honda has some very big issues.
Honda gonna Honda. "Hey this car looks good and distinctive. Lets ruin it!"
:lol:
It looks like... Transportation...
Interior looks like a HUUUUGE upgrade, apart from this.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rH9FRvIqWB0/VNwk4jB7PhI/AAAAAAAApuI/eoE0Zz5-Jas/s1600/2016-Honda-Pilot-15.jpg)
Why does its tires look so skinny compared to the body... and why does they back of the SUV look like its falling off the tires?
Quote from: r0tor on February 12, 2015, 06:18:09 AM
Why does its tires look so skinny compared to the body... and why does they back of the SUV look like its falling off the tires?
empeegees
CR-V front end on an MDX body.
While it is fairly generic, it is certainly preferable to the current model, which is just plain awkward. Nice improvement for sure! Honda is back on point.
LOL I saw the first pic and thought it was the third. Truly that's what my first thought was.
For some reason from the side it reminds me of a skateboard and if you stand on the rear tailgate the front end will pop up...
Reminds me of a Mercedes GL
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on February 12, 2015, 07:58:03 AM
LOL I saw the first pic and thought it was the third. Truly that's what my first thought was.
I didn't even realize they were different SUVs until I read your post, then went back up and reread the OP. :lol:
From C&D's description, the AWD sounds like the GNK unit in the Evoque and Focus RS.
Not shabby...
Quote from: TBR on February 12, 2015, 07:51:36 AM
While it is fairly generic, it is certainly preferable to the current model, which is just plain awkward. Nice improvement for sure! Honda is back on point.
I like the current model. Always have. It's not particularly beautiful, but auto design has become commodified that just being different is of value.
Looks like a GM Lambda.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on February 12, 2015, 10:51:26 AM
I didn't even realize they were different SUVs until I read your post, then went back up and reread the OP. :lol:
Exactly, right??
Clever wordage, 12k!! :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 12, 2015, 05:56:59 AM
Wow....
They took a vehicle that looked quite different from everything else in its category, and actually looked good. And made something that somehow manages to look like every vehicle ever made. Im not even exaggerating there. Honda has some very big issues.
LOL at "Honda has some very big issues." No, they just aren't catering to people like us. This will probably be the most successful Pilot to date.
Allow me to present the UJC, or Universal Japanese Crossover.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 12, 2015, 10:59:40 AM
I like the current model. Always have. It's not particularly beautiful, but auto design has become commodified that just being different is of value.
No.
More exciting is the removal of RT4WD.
Looks like a Subaru.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 12, 2015, 11:35:25 AM
LOL at "Honda has some very big issues." No, they just aren't catering to people like us. This will probably be the most successful Pilot to date.
I bet it will be. Honda's sweet spot has always been pleasantly anonymous styling (witness, first gen Pilot). That's why everyone likes the current Accord so much versus the two prior generations.
I don't know about the 7th gen as I always liked it a lot, but the 8th gen was just straight up ugly.
That gauge cluster looks terribad.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 12, 2015, 11:35:25 AM
LOL at "Honda has some very big issues." No, they just aren't catering to people like us. This will probably be the most successful Pilot to date.
You are probably right.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 12, 2015, 12:43:56 PM
I don't know about the 7th gen as I always liked it a lot, but the 8th gen was just straight up ugly.
The 7th gen (2003-2007) sedan was by far the ugliest Accord sedan of all time. Facelift coupe was nice. 8th gen was too damn big. 9th gen is not bad but still too big IMO. Bigger than the last real Acura Legend which was huge.
Quote from: MX793 on February 12, 2015, 11:53:38 AM
Allow me to present the UJC, or Universal Japanese Crossover.
:lol:
I dunno - Honda seems to have lost its way a bit. The current Accord is OK but otherwise I think Honda is stumbling & Mazda has grabbed the "Mainstream but Interesting" baton.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 12, 2015, 12:56:40 PM
You are probably right.
The 7th gen (2003-2007) sedan was by far the ugliest Accord sedan of all time. Facelift coupe was nice. 8th gen was too damn big. 9th gen is not bad but still too big IMO. Bigger than the last real Acura Legend which was huge.
:lol:
How is this ugly? It's aged very well IMO especially in higher trims.
(http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/accord/2007/oem/2007_honda_accord_sedan_ex-l-v-6_fq_oem_1_500.jpg)
(http://electricalmachines.biz/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/honda-accord-sedan-2007.jpg)
(http://media.caranddriver.com/images/06q4/267361/2007-honda-accord-sedan-se-photo-8851-s-429x262.jpg)
I have always thought that Accord was ugly.
The tail was really bad prior to the facelift
That's the best Accord
Quote from: SVT666 on February 16, 2015, 12:02:43 AM
I have always thought that Accord was ugly.
+1. Compared to the models that preceded and succeeded, the 7th gen was pretty ugly. Also not a fan of the 80s models with pop up headlamps.
The 4th Gen Accord looked the best to me. Followed by the 6th.
6th gen, then 8th gen looked the best, IMO. Never was a huge fan of the 7th.
I've never looked an Accord, or any Honda for that matter (minus the S2000), and thought, damn that thing is just too sexy to pass up.
The 7th gen had lukewarm styling, but then again so did all Accords up to that point. The 7th gen had the misfortune of being designed during a period of years where no one was really moving the ball forward design-wise.
However in all other respects it was a great car, IMO.
Quote from: Tave on February 16, 2015, 08:59:21 AM
The 7th gen had the misfortune of being designed during a period of years where no one was really moving the ball forward design-wise.
???
IMO that was the first generation of family midsizers with some modicum of excitement, beginning with the 2003 Altima. The 7th gen Accord's styling, IIRC, was controversial when it came out which is more than one could say about any preceding Accord.
I still want to own a 7th gen Accord V6 6 speed sedan. That was a very cool sleeper IMO.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 16, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
IMO that was the first generation of family midsizers with some modicum of excitement, beginning with the 2003 Altima.
:nono: The Maxima had been at it for years.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on February 16, 2015, 03:26:35 PM
:nono: The Maxima had been at it for years.
Eh, the Maxima wasn't really an Accord/Camry competitor.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on February 16, 2015, 03:26:35 PM
:nono: The Maxima had been at it for years.
Circa 1980-1990s, Maxima was the top choice of ricers, as I recall.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 16, 2015, 04:40:24 PM
Eh, the Maxima wasn't really an Accord/Camry competitor.
You're right. It was as more of a 600/760/900/5000/6000/Cressida competitor.
http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/escape-from-baja-mexican-sports-sedan-torture-test-archived-comparison-test (http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/escape-from-baja-mexican-sports-sedan-torture-test-archived-comparison-test)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
You're right. It was as more of a 600/760/900/5000/6000/Cressida competitor.
http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/escape-from-baja-mexican-sports-sedan-torture-test-archived-comparison-test (http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/escape-from-baja-mexican-sports-sedan-torture-test-archived-comparison-test)
And this fact has a lot to do with why the Maxima is all but dead
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
You're right. It was as more of a 600/760/900/5000/6000/Cressida competitor.
http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/escape-from-baja-mexican-sports-sedan-torture-test-archived-comparison-test (http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/escape-from-baja-mexican-sports-sedan-torture-test-archived-comparison-test)
The '80s were truly the dearth of the automotive experience.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 16, 2015, 05:04:20 PM
And this fact has a lot to do with why the Maxima is all but dead
It's been a strong seller throughout this generation. We'll see what the new one does.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
You're right. It was as more of a 600/760/900/5000/6000/Cressida competitor.
http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/escape-from-baja-mexican-sports-sedan-torture-test-archived-comparison-test (http://m.caranddriver.com/comparisons/escape-from-baja-mexican-sports-sedan-torture-test-archived-comparison-test)
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 16, 2015, 04:56:23 PM
Circa 1980-1990s, Maxima was the top choice of ricers, as I recall.
I was referring to the 4DSC SE models starting in 1988.
Quote from: TBR on February 16, 2015, 12:06:53 AM
The tail was really bad prior to the facelift
Yeah, it had a real badonkadonk butt.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 16, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
???
IMO that was the first generation of family midsizers with some modicum of excitement, beginning with the 2003 Altima. The 7th gen Accord's styling, IIRC, was controversial when it came out which is more than one could say about any preceding Accord.
Yuck. At that time the cars had grown in size to the point that a lot of the past cues were obsolete, but the designers hadn't had time to react. So we got a lot of flat-slabbed nondescript blobs.
(http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/accord/2003/oem/2003_honda_accord_sedan_dx_fq_oem_1_500.jpg)
(http://www.admiralmotors.com/cars/2003-nissan-altima_01ac530b.jpg)
(http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/toyota-camry-18.jpg)
With the 'mercians looking about 5 years long in the tooth (better designs but inferior underpinnings):
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(http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/chrysler/300m/2002/oem/2002_chrysler_300m_sedan_special_fq_oem_1_500.jpg)
The 300M still looks great.
Quote from: CJ on February 17, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
The 300M still looks great.
It was a favorite of mine, still looks good too but I hardly ever see one.
Quote from: CJ on February 17, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
The 300M still looks great.
Gross, I always hated them.
Tave, you're absolutely crazy.
The 2002 Altima was a godsend, and was pretty revolutionary for the segment (same with the 2003 Maxima). It was the start of the Renault partnership, and design skyrocketed.
I've owned a 1998-2001 Altima. It's a bland shitbox.
It's not ugly, but not exactly interesting either
(http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/nissan/altima/2000/oem/2000_nissan_altima_sedan_gxe_fq_oem_1_500.jpg)
The accord had a strange rear, but I really like it. The Altima is still a very good looking car. the Camry was OK.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 17, 2015, 12:27:35 PM
Tave, you're absolutely crazy.
I can appreciate your unapologetic anti-establishment-ism, but why don't you cool it on the "crazy" talk and at least admit to yourself that your opinions are pretty far out there? :huh:
7th gen Accord was the pinnacle of the marque thus far, esp. the motor and available 6MT sedan, and the last before the bean counters started fully running the show. Its (huge) demerits were prototypical Honda road noise and interior rattles. 8th gen noticeably cheapened and didn't advance the marque other than size and 5er ripoff styling was lol. 9th gen is simply a warmed over 8th gen but at least the styling has been toned down and refinement is up.
Quote from: Tave on February 17, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
I can appreciate your unapologetic anti-establishment-ism, but why don't you cool it on the "crazy" talk and at least admit to yourself that your opinions are pretty far out there? :huh:
I don't think his opinion on this is far out there at all. The Camry was obviously as bland as ever, but the Mazda6, Accord, Altima, and Fusion of that era were all vastly more exciting to look at and drive than their immediate predecessors.
Quote from: Tave on February 17, 2015, 10:25:53 AM
It was a favorite of mine, still looks good too but I hardly ever see one.
My folks had one. Not a bad driving car either, considering how big it was. Better planted than most large American cars (way way more responsive than any 2000s era W-body Impala or Taurus). Motor had decent punch for that time as well.
Quote from: TBR on February 17, 2015, 02:39:15 PM
I don't think his opinion on this is far out there at all. The Camry was obviously as bland as ever, but the Mazda6, Accord, Altima, and Fusion of that era were all vastly more exciting to look at and drive than their immediate predecessors.
Oh yes they were better drives for sure, design is subjective but IMO they are uglier cars and it's not really close. In any event I wasn't picking on 2o6's opinion on this specifically, but the ease at which he threw "absolutely crazy" at me as if he was the measuring stick of automotive sanity.
I thought the Fusion was a good effort for that generation, although it didn't debut until 2006 and had time to learn from the mistakes of its competitors. I remember popular sentiment was a bit against it (i.e., the Mach 3 jokes).
The Mazda6 was OK, better than the 626 but not as attractive as the Protege.
I agree with the praise for the 300M and that generation of Taurus styling -- that was a pretty classy generation whose looks would have gotten a lot more attention on something less mediocre in other ways. Of course, these are a size bigger than the Accord.
The 2003-2005 Accord has aged surprisingly well to my eyes. It looked so bloated and awful when it came out, but even the taillights aren't awful looking anymore. The 2006-2007 was a further improvement.
I never liked the looks of the 2002-2006 Altima, especially the 2002-2004, but it was at least there was a clear appeal.
The 2002-2006 Camry was quietly classy and unobjectionable to my eyes, though the facelift 2005-2006 got a little fussy.
The first-gen Mazda6 looked great, I think, except for the taillights. But it was just the right look for the brand, and not bad to look at either.
These weren't that bad either IMO, but they were a step bad from the prior gen.
(http://cimg.carsforsale.com/572998/3108E32C-3EFF-4B2E-A410-CD68A38ED601.jpg)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r58/beardo1975/leg1.jpg)
My grandmother bought a first gen in the late 70s. It was a revelation, after years of Rootes cars (Humber, Singer, Hillman) etc. When she took to her local garage for service, mechanics used to gather round to look at the beautiful underhood layout.
(http://www.automobile-catalog.com/img/picto28h/honda/277310_54345hon.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on February 12, 2015, 06:16:57 AM
It looks like... Transportation...
Interior looks like a HUUUUGE upgrade, apart from this.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rH9FRvIqWB0/VNwk4jB7PhI/AAAAAAAApuI/eoE0Zz5-Jas/s1600/2016-Honda-Pilot-15.jpg)
Weird.
I like the design of my dad's era Pilot the best (MY 2007).....after that, they got strange looking. That car is still going fine and has held up really well over the years and has a timeless, pleasant/non-offensive look to it.
It also has a relatively powerful engine which works well and I'd say the only thing I don't like about it is the road noise.
It's pretty loud on the inside but I suppose that's a Honda trait not limited to the 2007 Pilot.
Quote from: Morris Minor on February 18, 2015, 05:11:10 AM
My grandmother bought a first gen in the late 70s. It was a revelation, after years of Rootes cars (Humber, Singer, Hillman) etc. When she took to her local garage for service, mechanics used to gather round to look at the beautiful underhood layout.
(http://www.automobile-catalog.com/img/picto28h/honda/277310_54345hon.jpg)
Never met anybody who bought one of those more than once before ( the Rootes cars that is). My general impression was that they were a step below AMC.
Quote from: BENZ BOY15 on February 18, 2015, 01:46:41 PM
I like the design of my dad's era Pilot the best (MY 2007).....after that, they got strange looking. That car is still going fine and has held up really well over the years and has a timeless, pleasant/non-offensive look to it.
It also has a relatively powerful engine which works well and I'd say the only thing I don't like about it is the road noise.
It's pretty loud on the inside but I suppose that's a Honda trait not limited to the 2007 Pilot.
I was very pleased with our '04 Pilot. Really ended up proving it was tougher and more capable than one would expect more than a few times.
I sold my '03 Pilot to my son. It's got about 160K on the clock and still going strong. It's been all over the country & is currently in the hold of a ship on its way to Honolulu where, I suspect, it will remain after he eventually sells it.
Fuck how did I miss a discussion on Accords?!?!?!???????
The 7th gen coupe was great but the sedan was hideous. It looked like a 6th gen with an allergic reaction. Real shame as IMO the 7th gen has the best interior, while the 6th gen easily has the worst (not counting the 1st-3rd). The 7th gen nose was OK but it really falls apart on the rear half.
Best looking US Accord IMO is the 5th gen, averaged for interior and exterior. Best looking Accord ever is easily the TSX which out Italian'd Alfa Romeo. 7th gen and beyond sedans are just too fucking big.
7th gen facelift is easily the best.
7th gen facelift with the 17" alloys is the pinnacle:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/2006-2007_Honda_Accord_V6_sedan.jpg)
Never cared for the dash though with the big dorky speedo. The interior touches were the best - even better than the G. But it was in ways no one cares about so it was smart for Honda to concentrate on other things.
(http://vogueautoservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2003-VW-Jetta-and-2007-Accord-098.jpg)