OK, this is just a fake contest, but let's pretend you won and could have any vehicle that was produced before 1970 that you want.
There are only two rules.
You must keep it five years.
You must drive it at least 3000 miles a year.
If not, you lose the vehicle.
What is your choice?
Are maintenance costs covered by the contest as well, or am I on the hook for those?
OG Shelby Cobra 427
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 01, 2019, 10:08:47 AM
Are maintenance costs covered by the contest as well, or am I on the hook for those?
You maintain it and insure it. And repair it if it breaks.
Now that's really tough. My first instinct would be to go for...
A 51 Mercury Led Sled, because there's just nothin' cooler...
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3QgGqNL/a5f92293d2073b57bf81fa72d4eefa5e-blue-cars-lead-sled.jpg)
I'd want the flat head as well, just for the sound.
Quote from: shp4man on February 01, 2019, 10:14:40 AM
You maintain it and insure it. And repair it if it breaks.
Damn, that makes it a much harder question. :lol: I don't know enough about cars from that era to know which would be relatively cheap to maintain.
Maybe a soft top FJ40 or Jeep CJ. Should have a big enough community around them that parts and people to help with advice aren't too hard to come by, and between top down summer driving and some off-roading, I could probably pile on 3k a year.
Either that or some old roadster probably.
Sheeeeeeeeit, I only put 7,000 km (4,350 mi.) on my daily driver. I don't think I could manage to put 3,000 mi. annually on a second car. :cry:
Quote from: 93JC on February 01, 2019, 11:26:01 AM
Sheeeeeeeeit, I only put 7,000 km (4,350 mi.) on my daily driver. I don't think I could manage to put 3,000 mi. annually on a second car. :cry:
<-- 2,000 miles
3,000 miles a year is easy.
1969 911S for me. Modern enough to make 3k/year not feel like a chore. Will always hold its value.
That one's easy for me, Citroen DS.
I would feel more comfortable driving modern performance cars, with better tires and airbags and and disc brakes and various nannies. So if I'm getting an older car, I'd want one that is built and drives unlike anything on the road today.
Since one is getting the car for free, might as well go for a Lamborghini Miura. Any maintenance cost could redeemed by selling it after 5 years.
Quote from: Galaxy on February 01, 2019, 12:55:46 PM
Since one is getting the car for free, might as well go for a Lamborghini Miura. Any maintenance cost could redeemed by selling it after 5 years.
That's my second choice
1969 ZL1 Corvette! Black with red interior.....
I'll take a restomod Porsche 356 soft top. kthx
Tough one. :hmm:
'61 250 Testa Rossa
Why couldn't it be a car before 1975? :winkguy:
Make my choice a Mercedes 280SE 3.5 Convertible, preferably in metallic green with cream interior. :wub:
(https://www.mercedes-benz.com/all-time-stars-files/2017/05/280SE_W111_LowRes-1-2-1180x787.jpg)
Some interesting choices here. The Porsche 356 is a good one. I would happily put 3000 miles a year on one, and more.
(http://bestcarmag.com/sites/default/files/1954-porsche-356-1307262-1334649.jpg)
But then again, another part of me wants this:
(https://www.conceptcarz.com/images/GMC/56-gmc-suburban-carrier-dv-18-cbs-01.jpg)
How about both! :lol:
Well, if you can have 2, I want another one as well...
(https://i.postimg.cc/zX7vjxp6/d7be238d2d2af70ab43c067498eadba6.jpg)
I always regretted not buying it/one like it, when I had the chance.
Quote from: shp4man on February 03, 2019, 12:18:10 PM
Some interesting choices here. The Porsche 356 is a good one. I would happily put 3000 miles a year on one, and more.
(http://bestcarmag.com/sites/default/files/1954-porsche-356-1307262-1334649.jpg)
That's great and all, but I specified a restomod 356 soft top. I want to keep the basic idea of the air cooled flat four, but add more biggerer displacement, balanced and forged rotating assembly, stiffened block, high lift cam and double valve springs so it can make power to 9000 RPM. Add a small turbo charger with a giant wastegate. Port fuel injection, high volume oil pump and oil cooling. Then of course, modern brakes, suspension, wheels/tires. and a quick ratio electric power steering rack.
Have it looking something like this, but not black. Give me a royal blue metallic one with a black top, no stupid bumper sticks, and not exactly those wheels.
(https://ccmarketplace.azureedge.net/cc-temp/listing/39/8653/30087-1956-porsche-speedster-srcset-xl.jpg)
Not a single 4 door car. I thought they were best? :hmm:
Quote from: shp4man on February 03, 2019, 12:18:10 PM
Some interesting choices here. The Porsche 356 is a good one. I would happily put 3000 miles a year on one, and more.
(http://bestcarmag.com/sites/default/files/1954-porsche-356-1307262-1334649.jpg)
It's the only model of Porsche that appealed to me, This one would be perfect...
(https://i.postimg.cc/d3H8zJwZ/mo15-r180-001-21.jpg)
Quote from: Rockraven on February 03, 2019, 01:17:46 PM
Not a single 4 door car. I thought they were best? :hmm:
'61 Plymouth Fury, 383 with dual quads and a 3 speed torque flite. Come get some.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/bf/37/97bf37dcb0d3e8450881c2188897f6f6.jpg)
Weren't all Furies 2 doors?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 03, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
Weren't all Furies 2 doors?
I doubt it. They had many Fury police cars, too.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 03, 2019, 02:57:56 PM
I doubt it. They had many Fury police cars, too.
I looked. They were until 1960.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 03, 2019, 01:33:00 PM
'61 Plymouth Fury, 383 with dual quads and a 3 speed torque flite. Come get some.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/bf/37/97bf37dcb0d3e8450881c2188897f6f6.jpg)
A friend of mine had a Plymouth Fury, a 1962 I believe. It had a record player for 45s. The only record he had was That's Amore by Dean Martin. I think he was gay. I drove it once. The power brakes were boosted to a ridiculous level. I almost put him through the windshield the first time I stopped; I was used to manual brakes on my Mercury. He had a daytime running light installed. He was ahead of his time.
Virgil Exner was quite the car designer. Love it, hate it, whatever, but they were unique, for sure.
(https://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/188708/188708_Side_Profile_Web.jpg)
(http://ridestory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1962-Dodge-Dart.jpg)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 03, 2019, 01:12:34 PM
That's great and all, but I specified a restomod 356 soft top. I want to keep the basic idea of the air cooled flat four, but add more biggerer displacement, balanced and forged rotating assembly, stiffened block, high lift cam and double valve springs so it can make power to 9000 RPM. Add a small turbo charger with a giant wastegate. Port fuel injection, high volume oil pump and oil cooling. Then of course, modern brakes, suspension, wheels/tires. and a quick ratio electric power steering rack.
Have it looking something like this, but not black. Give me a royal blue metallic one with a black top, no stupid bumper sticks, and not exactly those wheels.
(https://ccmarketplace.azureedge.net/cc-temp/listing/39/8653/30087-1956-porsche-speedster-srcset-xl.jpg)
Restomod a 356? What you suggest is heresy, sir. Heresy.
Quote from: shp4man on February 04, 2019, 10:43:46 AM
Restomod a 356? What you suggest is heresy, sir. Heresy.
I mean, a replica would be fine if ur thread rules will allow it.
I'll allow it. Replicas in 356's and Cobra's are completely modification cleared. ;)
Quote from: shp4man on February 04, 2019, 11:29:39 AM
I'll allow it. Replicas in 356's and Cobra's are completely modification cleared. ;)
Cool! I'm excited. When can I expect delivery? I'll take the day off work. :lol:
(https://www.sportscarmarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1965-alfa-romeo-giulia-sprint-gta-front.jpg)
^Beautiful.
Have you ever had a chance to drive one?
That damn oil cooler (?) probably doubles as a curb feeler
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 06, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
That damn oil cooler (?) probably doubles as a curb feeler
When your oil pressure drops you've pulled far enough forward. Also, it ensures regular oil changes. Those Italians are so clever.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 06, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
That damn oil cooler (?) probably doubles as a curb feeler
That's kind of weird. Usually, what you see underneath is just this sump guard...
(https://i.postimg.cc/vB8VVYzw/sumpgaurd105.jpg)
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 06, 2019, 12:46:45 PM
^Beautiful.
Have you ever had a chance to drive one?
The closest I've ever come to driving that was a Fiat Panda rental. So that's a resounding no
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 06, 2019, 02:07:28 PM
The closest I've ever come to driving that was a Fiat Panda rental. So that's a resounding no
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 06, 2019, 02:07:28 PM
The closest I've ever come to driving that was a Fiat Panda rental. So that's a resounding no
Indulge your fantasy then, the next time that you're in England...https://www.vintage-classics.co.uk/cars/alfa-gtv/ (https://www.vintage-classics.co.uk/cars/alfa-gtv/)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 06, 2019, 10:39:09 AM
(https://www.sportscarmarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1965-alfa-romeo-giulia-sprint-gta-front.jpg)
Abs gorgeous. I'd do a lot for a GTV
Been thinking about de-bumpering my mk1 Cabrio. I like the look, but I wonder if the bumper cops would have issue with it. :hmm:
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I haven't seen a Bitch Basket in over a decade!
No one has ever given me grief about our VW Beetle having no bumpers. But it resides in the land of the free :neverforget:
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2019, 11:30:54 AM
3,000 miles a year is easy.
1969 911S for me. Modern enough to make 3k/year not feel like a chore. Will always hold its value.
Yes. But make mine a targa.
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/ca0816/ca0816-244479/images/ca0816-244479_1@2x.jpg?1471460198000)
1971 Blue Chevy Nova. That's what my folks had at home when I was born. Got rid of it in 1981. I remember it being a crappy car (non SS version) but it looked real cool. Something like this but this is the SS version.
https://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/vehicles/2081/1971-chevrolet-nova-ss1971
All these cars put today's cars to shame in terms of style, beauty, and variability.
Quote from: veeman on February 08, 2019, 06:12:04 PM
1971 Blue Chevy Nova. That's what my folks had at home when I was born. Got rid of it in 1981. I remember it being a crappy car (non SS version) but it looked real cool. Something like this but this is the SS version.
https://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/vehicles/2081/1971-chevrolet-nova-ss1971
I have the same passion for a 1938 Ford Humpback Sedan, the first car I remember my parents having. Not a remarkable car, but one of the most gorgeous front stylings of the era.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W1gctJQ9/maxresdefault.jpg)
It was the first car I drove as well, though I was only about 10 at the time. Still a vivid memory.
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 10, 2019, 07:52:18 AM
I have the same passion for a 1938 Ford Humpback Sedan, the first car I remember my parents having. Not a remarkable car, but one of the most gorgeous front stylings of the era.
(https://i.postimg.cc/W1gctJQ9/maxresdefault.jpg)
It was the first car I drove as well, though I was only about 10 at the time. Still a vivid memory.
Great looking car. By googling it looks a lot better than the longer ones with suicide doors.
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 06, 2019, 12:46:45 PM
^Beautiful.
Have you ever had a chance to drive one?
A client of mine has an Alfa Romeo 2000GT which looks like the car Sporty posted, but more civilized. The previous owner was a famed American motoring journalist who resided in Europe (Switzerland, IIRC). The name escapes me, Peter was his first name IIRC. I've tried googling it but to no avail.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 13, 2019, 05:41:11 AM
A client of mine has an Alfa Romeo 2000GT which looks like the car Sporty posted, but more civilized. The previous owner was a famed American motoring journalist who resided in Europe (Switzerland, IIRC). The name escapes me, Peter was his first name IIRC. I've tried googling it but to no avail.
Peter Egan comes to mind; though not sure about Switzerland.
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 13, 2019, 10:34:13 AM
Peter Egan comes to mind; though not sure about Switzerland.
Googled him and this is a British actor who is still alive. I couldn't find a reference to an American Peter Egan.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 13, 2019, 07:01:43 PM
Googled him and this is a British actor who is still alive. I couldn't find a reference to an American Peter Egan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Egan_(columnist) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Egan_(columnist))
There's a female rookie cop who drives one of these on the show "the Rookie"
(https://i0.wp.com/carsforsale.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/240Z.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 13, 2019, 07:04:27 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Egan_(columnist) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Egan_(columnist))
Can't be him. The journalist who owned that Alfa is long dead.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 14, 2019, 04:49:13 PM
Can't be him. The journalist who owned that Alfa is long dead.
Well, that's who was mentioned.
(https://www.americancarcollector.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/5b62d01506bd8a53b6c4928e25fa9b8a.jpg)
Aww yeah.
A Nova? Perfect for going to get the groceries. :devil:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 14, 2019, 07:25:05 PM
A Nova? Perfect for going to get the groceries. :devil:
That's the idea. But with this one ( 396 SS ) I can leave the parking lot with it on two wheels and front bumper pointing at the sky... :P
Quote from: Northlands on February 14, 2019, 07:40:38 PM
That's the idea. But with this one ( 396 SS ) I can leave the parking lot with it on two wheels and front bumper pointing at the sky... :P
You'll need to upgrade those rear tires. :lol:
Quote from: Northlands on February 14, 2019, 07:19:23 PM
(https://www.americancarcollector.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/5b62d01506bd8a53b6c4928e25fa9b8a.jpg)
Aww yeah.
Colour coordinated rims. Sweet! :ohyeah:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 14, 2019, 07:49:22 PM
You'll need to upgrade those rear tires. :lol:
Definitely. Little taller and about a foot and a half wider. :rockon:
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 14, 2019, 08:00:57 PM
Colour coordinated rims. Sweet! :ohyeah:
There's actually a couple here in the city. One of them kept original rims. Second guy has since changed a number of things. Resto-moddy, but don't mind the extra 150 hp it's pushing out ( he claims ). It sounds monstrous.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 14, 2019, 05:11:44 PM
Well, that's who was mentioned.
The Peter Egan on your link is apparently still alive. ;)
Quote from: Northlands on February 14, 2019, 07:19:23 PM
(https://www.americancarcollector.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/5b62d01506bd8a53b6c4928e25fa9b8a.jpg)
Aww yeah.
:ohyeah: That is a beauty!
Quote from: Northlands on February 14, 2019, 07:19:23 PM
(https://www.americancarcollector.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/5b62d01506bd8a53b6c4928e25fa9b8a.jpg)
Aww yeah.
SEXY
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on February 09, 2019, 08:10:27 PM
All these cars put today's cars to shame in terms of style, beauty, and variability.
I am sure our resident corporatists would disagree, but I think the increased appetite for returns on capital have sucked much of the soul out of the auto industry.
Cars are objectively as good as they've ever been, but every company seems to be its shareholder's hoe. Ferrari is making money hand over fist and is still committing to making a crossover. Yea that Ferrari. The business side is the most exciting aspect of the car business, which IMO is not right.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 20, 2019, 04:58:30 AM
I am sure our resident corporatists would disagree, but I think the increased appetite for returns on capital have sucked much of the soul out of the auto industry.
Cars are objectively as good as they've ever been, but every company seems to be its shareholder's hoe. Ferrari is making money hand over fist and is still committing to making a crossover. Yea that Ferrari. The business side is the most exciting aspect of the car business, which IMO is not right.
Exactly what almost killed the domestic auto manufacturers in the 90s. Bottom line and bean counters.
Win on Sunday and sell on Monday was a better incentive for building better cars.
Domestic manufacturers making shitty cars almost killed domestic auto manufacturers in the 90s.
It's entirely possible to both make good business decisions and make quality vehicles at the same time.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 20, 2019, 09:28:35 AM
Domestic manufacturers making shitty cars almost killed domestic auto manufacturers in the 90s.
It's entirely possible to both make good business decisions and make quality vehicles at the same time.
Not when you nickel and dime your suppliers. You get what you pay for.
I might have to go for an underdog pick here:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Pj80BrRYbgo/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 20, 2019, 09:31:51 AM
Not when you nickel and dime your suppliers. You get what you pay for.
Right, I'm just pointing out that it wasn't maximizing shareholder profits that screwed them over - it was just bad, short-term decision making.
Quote from: SVT_Power on February 20, 2019, 09:40:34 AM
I might have to go for an underdog pick here:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Pj80BrRYbgo/maxresdefault.jpg)
Oooh, very nice
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 20, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
Right, I'm just pointing out that it wasn't maximizing shareholder profits that screwed them over - it was just bad, short-term decision making.
I hold that it
was largely for the purpose of maximizing the shareholder profits. Why else would the bottom line be so important. Of course it was bad decision-making in the longer term and they paid for it; having to mortgage absolutely everything, including the company logo for Ford, and having to declare bankruptcy for GM and whatever Chrysler was at the time.
As for the decline of the domestic product, it's significant that the foreign enterprises of the companies did not really suffer the same product decline; the German Fords Mondeo, Focus, etc. excepting whatever the UK was producing, were still quality products.
Quote from: SVT_Power on February 20, 2019, 09:40:34 AM
I might have to go for an underdog pick here:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Pj80BrRYbgo/maxresdefault.jpg)
It was/is a beauty. You only live twice, after all.
Does anyone know what that panel behind the driver's door is for? Its been bugging me for years.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 20, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
Does anyone know what that panel behind the driver's door is for? Its been bugging me for years.
Battering ram?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 20, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
Does anyone know what that panel behind the driver's door is for? Its been bugging me for years.
Had to look it up, but according to this, it provides access to the battery and air filter.
https://www.richmond.com/richmond-drives/classic-cars/twists-and-turns-the-toyota-gt/article_a5ee296a-85d6-11e8-8dc5-9bd23a000ce2.html
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 20, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
Had to look it up, but according to this, it provides access to the battery and air filter.
https://www.richmond.com/richmond-drives/classic-cars/twists-and-turns-the-toyota-gt/article_a5ee296a-85d6-11e8-8dc5-9bd23a000ce2.html
Ok, cool.
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 20, 2019, 10:18:14 AM
Battering ram?
But not as cool as I'd hoped...
(the several hatches on 959s are similarly mundane, and slightly disappointing).