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Poll
Question: Best Entry Luxury Sedan
Option 1: BMW 3 Series votes: 20
Option 2: Mercedes C-Class votes: 3
Option 3: Cadillac CTS votes: 1
Option 4: Acura TSX votes: 1
Option 5: Acura TL votes: 5
Option 6: Infinity G35 votes: 6
Option 7: Audi A4 votes: 4
Title: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT666 on July 25, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
Poll closes August 1st.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 25, 2007, 11:43:43 AM
Audi A4.  It's the only one I'd buy new in this group.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: CMan on July 25, 2007, 12:47:18 PM
3-Series, hands down.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT666 on July 25, 2007, 12:59:54 PM
3 series
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Vinsanity on July 25, 2007, 02:14:04 PM
cool! someone else voted for the TL! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raghavan on July 25, 2007, 03:08:50 PM
3 series. If it was the G37, then it would've been a tough decision.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: JYODER240 on July 25, 2007, 03:12:40 PM
I can't make up my mind.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Onslaught on July 25, 2007, 04:06:32 PM
G35 all the way.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: JYODER240 on July 25, 2007, 04:27:23 PM
The 3-series is so "me too". It's like buying a red Ferrari, but I'm still having a hard time not voting for it.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: The Pirate on July 25, 2007, 07:53:47 PM
G35
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: TBR on July 25, 2007, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: JYODER240 on July 25, 2007, 04:27:23 PM
The 3-series is so "me too". It's like buying a red Ferrari, but I'm still having a hard time not voting for it.

Exactly my thought, it is probably the best car here (factoring out the obscene pricing), but I would get an A4 or even a C-class over it (both also have obscene pricing though). I voted for the A4. If I was buying the G would be really tempting.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: goldenlover1101 on July 26, 2007, 06:46:33 PM
CTS...the new one is hot!
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: JYODER240 on July 26, 2007, 08:03:40 PM
3-series, I feel like a sell-out.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: nickdrinkwater on July 27, 2007, 08:39:17 AM
3er, even though everyone has one.  Close runner up is the new Infiniti, looks like a really nice car.  The A4 is looking dated so I wouldn't buy one new.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 27, 2007, 08:50:25 AM
How does it look dated? 
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: TheIntrepid on July 27, 2007, 09:49:12 AM
E90 3.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: vanquish on July 27, 2007, 11:30:25 AM
I voted for the 3-series but if I was to buy I might just pick the G35... its a little bit more streamlined.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: red_shift on July 27, 2007, 06:42:24 PM


3 series. 328i is still a well balanced car. 335i is a little different story though.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT_Power on July 27, 2007, 07:17:12 PM
well the 3er is running away with this one :lol:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 27, 2007, 07:17:54 PM
A4
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: heelntoe on July 28, 2007, 12:37:57 AM
A4 but it looks like the 3 already won. :huh:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT_Power on July 28, 2007, 12:41:22 AM
Quote from: heelntoe on July 28, 2007, 12:37:57 AM
A4 but it looks like the 3 already won. :huh:

it won before it even started
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: cawimmer430 on July 28, 2007, 07:01:19 AM
Infiniti G35 of course.  :devil:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: JYODER240 on July 28, 2007, 08:44:31 AM
I saw a new G35 at an intersection this morning and it looked really good. Much better than in pictures.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT_Power on July 28, 2007, 09:55:27 AM
i've seen quite a few around actually
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: giant_mtb on July 28, 2007, 11:15:23 AM
"Infinity"

:lockedup:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT_Power on July 28, 2007, 11:28:17 AM
infiniti will last an infinity!
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: nickdrinkwater on July 29, 2007, 04:53:41 AM
Quote from: Raza  on July 27, 2007, 08:50:25 AM
How does it look dated? 

That shape has been around for a while now and is starting to look old next to the 3 Series, C-Class and G35 IMO.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2007, 06:42:11 AM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 29, 2007, 04:53:41 AM
That shape has been around for a while now and is starting to look old next to the 3 Series, C-Class and G35 IMO.

Would you consider the 911 to look dated?  Its shape has been around for 40 years. 
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT666 on July 30, 2007, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10321.msg524113#msg524113 date=1185799331
Would you consider the 911 to look dated?? Its shape has been around for 40 years.?
Yes.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: nickdrinkwater on July 30, 2007, 08:36:35 AM
Quote from: Raza  on July 30, 2007, 06:42:11 AM
Would you consider the 911 to look dated?  Its shape has been around for 40 years. 

The 911 is an iconic design and the fact that it has looked the same for so long is one of the reasons why it so successful.

I wouldn't call the A4 an iconic design.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: ro51092 on July 30, 2007, 08:42:20 AM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 30, 2007, 08:36:35 AM
The 911 is an iconic design and the fact that it has looked the same for so long is one of the reasons why it so successful.

I wouldn't call the A4 an iconic design.

Fuck you.  :evildude:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: nickdrinkwater on July 30, 2007, 08:51:08 AM
At least I kept the Porsche in you happy  :huh:

:evildude:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2007, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 30, 2007, 08:28:41 AM
Yes.

What about the current Mustang?
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2007, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 30, 2007, 08:36:35 AM
The 911 is an iconic design and the fact that it has looked the same for so long is one of the reasons why it so successful.

I wouldn't call the A4 an iconic design.

My disagreement here is that subtle changes (B6 to B7) tend to keep the cars from looking dated.  When companies go through drastic design changes (such as BMW or Cadillac), that tends to date the looks.  The forthcoming crop of Mercedes cars will look dated soon as well. 
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT666 on July 30, 2007, 09:37:44 AM
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10321.msg524224#msg524224 date=1185807935
What about the current Mustang?
Porsche has done a fantastic job of keeping the 911 shape looking current for 40 years.? My problem with the shape is that every 911 in 40 yearrs has had the same shape...although more modern with every rendition.? The Mustang hasn't looked the same for 40 years.  I couldn't spend $100,000 on a car that most people can't differentiate from a 20 year old example of the same car.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2007, 09:40:19 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 30, 2007, 09:37:44 AM
Porsche has done a fantastic job of keeping the 911 shape looking current for 40 years.? My problem with the shape is that every 911 in 40 yearrs has had the same shape...although more modern with every rendition.? The Mustang hasn't looked the same for 40 years.? I couldn't spend $100,000 on a car that most people can't differentiate from a 20 year old example of the same car.

But isn't going retro making a car dated on purpose?
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT666 on July 30, 2007, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10321.msg524255#msg524255 date=1185810019
But isn't going retro making a car dated on purpose?
The difference is that the Mustang doesn't look like all the Mustangs that came before it.  The 911 does.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: JYODER240 on July 30, 2007, 09:45:58 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 30, 2007, 09:37:44 AM
Porsche has done a fantastic job of keeping the 911 shape looking current for 40 years.? My problem with the shape is that every 911 in 40 yearrs has had the same shape...although more modern with every rendition.? The Mustang hasn't looked the same for 40 years.? I couldn't spend $100,000 on a car that most people can't differentiate from a 20 year old example of the same car.

It's supposed too. The design is supposed to be evolutionary. It's supposed to have a cohesiveness to it so that when people see it they know it is a 911. The same way current Audis look alike, and Mercedes look alike, and Cadillacs look alike, etc. Chevy has done the same with the Vette only not as well.

and please are you telling me that most people can't tell these two apart :rolleyes:

(http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/porsche/yellow_bird_06.jpg)

(http://www.onlyporsche.net/images/stories/2006/20060510_porsche_997_targa_1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: heelntoe on July 30, 2007, 09:49:55 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 30, 2007, 09:37:44 AM
Porsche has done a fantastic job of keeping the 911 shape looking current for 40 years.  My problem with the shape is that every 911 in 40 yearrs has had the same shape...although more modern with every rendition.  The Mustang hasn't looked the same for 40 years.  I couldn't spend $100,000 on a car that most people can't differentiate from a 20 year old example of the same car.
the thing with that is that even if someone mistook the car for a 40 year old one, a 40 year old porsche is just as awesome if not awesommer. :lol:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2007, 09:50:17 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 30, 2007, 09:45:26 AM
The difference is that the Mustang doesn't look like all the Mustangs that came before it.? The 911 does.


Since when does looking dated mean it bears resemblance to other cars in its evolutionary line?  What I take it to mean is that it looks like it came from an era that has passed.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT666 on July 30, 2007, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10321.msg524275#msg524275 date=1185810617
Since when does looking dated mean it bears resemblance to other cars in its evolutionary line?? What I take it to mean is that it looks like it came from an era that has passed.
Design is subjective.  I find it looks dated.  You don't.  Big deal.  Any time someone says something you don't like about a Porsche it's the end of the freakin world. :nono:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2007, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 30, 2007, 10:10:35 AM
Design is subjective.? I find it looks dated.? You don't.? Big deal.? Any time someone says something you don't like about a Porsche it's the end of the freakin world. :nono:

Design's actually not subjective, but that's another issue.

I honestly think we're arguing over semantics here.  I think you think you think it looks dated.  I think dated is the wrong word. 
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT666 on July 30, 2007, 10:15:56 AM
You don't think that a car can be beautiful to one person and not to another?
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2007, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 30, 2007, 10:15:56 AM
You don't think that a car can be beautiful to one person and not to another?

Two things go into the way a car looks:

Design and styling.

Design is not subjective. 

Styling is, though.  That's the difference. 

Take two cars as an example; the Dodge Charger and the Chrysler 300.  They have the exact same design.  But the styling is different.  I hate the 300, but I love the Charger.  But that comes down to styling, not design, since the proportions are wrong.  It's mostly a semantic issue, though. 
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: SVT666 on July 30, 2007, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=10321.msg524441#msg524441 date=1185815935
Two things go into the way a car looks:

Design and styling.

Design is not subjective.?

Styling is, though.? That's the difference.?

Take two cars as an example; the Dodge Charger and the Chrysler 300.? They have the exact same design.? But the styling is different.? I hate the 300, but I love the Charger.? But that comes down to styling, not design, since the proportions are wrong.? It's mostly a semantic issue, though.?
You know what I meant.  Semantics can be a killer. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2007, 11:28:25 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 30, 2007, 11:21:57 AM
You know what I meant.? Semantics can be a killer. :ohyeah:

Yeah, but you know I'm pretty strict about that shit.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: nickdrinkwater on July 30, 2007, 12:05:33 PM
Quote from: Raza  on July 30, 2007, 09:07:27 AM
My disagreement here is that subtle changes (B6 to B7) tend to keep the cars from looking dated.  When companies go through drastic design changes (such as BMW or Cadillac), that tends to date the looks.  The forthcoming crop of Mercedes cars will look dated soon as well. 

I agree with you.  Evolution is definitely better than revolution, and yeah I do think that the latest Mercs will date quickly.  However, I don't think the A4 has evolved quite enough over recent years - they can still evolve from the current shape, just a little bit more significantly - like the Audi 80 - Audi A4 for example.  The current A4 evolution has just been a little to subtle.
Title: Re: 2007 Awards - Entry Luxury
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 31, 2007, 11:17:35 AM
3er. In any trim. Big surprise.