Poll
Question:
Best Pickup
Option 1: Honda Ridgeline
votes: 2
Option 2: Toyota Tacoma
votes: 5
Option 3: Nissan Frontier
votes: 2
Option 4: Chevrolet Silverado / GMC Sierra
votes: 16
Option 5: Toyota Tundra
votes: 0
Option 6: Nissan Titan
votes: 1
Option 7: Ford F-Series
votes: 11
Ends Aug 1
Blah. Silverado/Sierra.
Silvy. Any day, any time.
F-Series
Silverado and Sierra, with a slight preference for the Sierra.
I guess I'm just weird, but I prefer the Avalanche over the Silverado :mask:
Frontier!
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Silverado/Sierra
Dodge quit making trucks? :confused:
Toyota Tacoma for me. It's a good looking truck that's all the size I'll ever need.
Quote from: Cobra93 on July 25, 2007, 03:38:13 PM
Dodge quit making trucks?? :confused:
Not nominated. I would have nominated them, but only two of us would have voted for them. :(
Tacoma!
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 25, 2007, 07:37:23 PM
Not nominated. I would have nominated them, but only two of us would have voted for them. :(
Depending on which way the wind was blowing I might have.
My opinion about these trucks changes very frequently, they are all that good. If Ford would get their act together and put a decent powertrain in the F-150 it would be my vote, but since they haven't I voted for the Sierra. They are all excellent, except for the Ridgeline (obviously).
Silverado
GO CHEVY SILVERADO.
(my family has two, and for a truck they are pretty sexy)
Is the Toyota Hilux basically a Tacoma? Because after seeing that Top Gear Polar special, i kind of want to change my vote to a Tacoma if it really is a Hilux.
Voted for the Ford F-Series.
Voted GM out of.....I have no idea.
Damn why aren't the Imports getting any love?
Quote from: 565 on July 31, 2007, 11:35:18 PM
Damn why aren't the Imports getting any love?
hehe, because they haven't proven themselves in the truck world yet. a horse-towin' barnyard girl like me wouldn't quite feel right towing a 23 foot gooseneck trailer around with a nissan when she knows the chevy has all the guts necessary. when i have the money to buy two equivalent trucks, one import, one american, i'll let you know which one hauls better ass.
Quote from: vanquish on August 01, 2007, 10:58:58 AM
hehe, because they haven't proven themselves in the truck world yet. a horse-towin' barnyard girl like me wouldn't quite feel right towing a 23 foot gooseneck trailer around with a nissan when she knows the chevy has all the guts necessary. when i have the money to buy two equivalent trucks, one import, one american, i'll let you know which one hauls better ass.
I thought that's why you test drive them before you buy them :huh:
Quote from: vanquish on August 01, 2007, 10:58:58 AM
hehe, because they haven't proven themselves in the truck world yet. a horse-towin' barnyard girl like me wouldn't quite feel right towing a 23 foot gooseneck trailer around with a nissan when she knows the chevy has all the guts necessary. when i have the money to buy two equivalent trucks, one import, one american, i'll let you know which one hauls better ass.
In half ton models for medium duty towing, I'm sure they are all comparable, and up to the task. Anything more than that, I'd rather have a 3/4 ton or 1 ton, which limits it to the American makes.
A Nissan Titan should tow a regular horse trailer as well as a Silverado would, assuming both are equipped similarly. Also assuming that the Titan doesn't blow it's rear diff. :lol:
Quote from: 565 on July 31, 2007, 11:35:18 PM
Damn why aren't the Imports getting any love?
Very curious considering that the Tundra out-towed the domestic 3/4-ton
diesels as noted in the CR truck thread...
What now?
"There's more to towing prowess than just 0-60 acceleration"
That is from one of your posts in CR thread, clearly you're confused since the only data shown is for acceleration and gas mileage and the 3/4 tons all beat the Tundra in mileage. Also, we don't know how the trucks were equipped, gearing can make a huge difference as can transmission. Look at the fuel economy numbers, the Ram 2500 and Silverado 2500 are both up on the Tundra 1.5 mpg with what is a relatively light weight trailer for either one of those trucks.
Quote from: TBR on August 07, 2007, 11:42:27 AM
What now?
"There's more to towing prowess than just 0-60 acceleration"
That is from one of your posts in CR thread, clearly you're confused since the only data shown is for acceleration and gas mileage and the 3/4 tons all beat the Tundra in mileage. Also, we don't know how the trucks were equipped, gearing can make a huge difference as can transmission. Look at the fuel economy numbers, the Ram 2500 and Silverado 2500 are both up on the Tundra 1.5 mpg with what is a relatively light weight trailer for either one of those trucks.
Sure's there's more to towing, but "What now" is that Tundra out-towed the diesel domestics.
As 565 stated in the other thread, the domestics are left to bragging about ride and bed bolt size.
Had the reverse situation been true it would have been merciless.
No it didn't, it barely outaccelerated them while sucking a lot more fuel. That does not equal out towing, as you actually said! You're so biased it is unreal. The Tundra's powertrain is good, but in other ways the competition is better. Besides, do we really need pick-ups that can do 0-60 in under 7 seconds? (I said the same thing about the Titan, a truck I am a big fan of).
Quote from: TBR on August 07, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
Besides, do we really need pick-ups that can do 0-60 in under 7 seconds?
Yes.
The answer to any question that goes something like "do we need _____ to do 0-60 in under ____ seconds" is always Hellz Yes. :lol:
Quote from: 565 on August 07, 2007, 12:07:13 PM
Yes.
The answer to any question that goes something like "do we need Wimmer to do 0-60 nuns in under 64.2 seconds" is always Hellz Yes. :lol:
Oh?
Quote from: TBR on August 07, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
No it didn't, it barely outaccelerated them while sucking a lot more fuel. That does not equal out towing, as you actually said! You're so biased it is unreal. The Tundra's powertrain is good, but in other ways the competition is better. Besides, do we really need pick-ups that can do 0-60 in under 7 seconds? (I said the same thing about the Titan, a truck I am a big fan of).
You clearly know what when I stated out-towed I was referring to towing acceleration, especially since you have the astute memory to recall that I spoke to this notion (that acceleration isn't the be-all of towing) in a thread from a week ago.
And why not the fast accelerating pickup, if it doesn't cost any more and gets as good or better mileage than the competition?
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Quote from: GoCougs on August 07, 2007, 12:14:19 PM
You clearly know what when I stated out-towed I was referring to towing acceleration, especially since you have the astute memory to recall that I spoke to this notion (that acceleration isn't the be-all of towing) in a thread from a week ago.
And why not the fast accelerating pickup, if it doesn't cost any more and gets as good or better mileage than the competition?
The Tundra is the most expensive half ton and doesn't get the best mileage (GM's). I see no reason to buy a Tundra over a Sierra or Silverado unless you really prefer the way it looks or you have to make the decision based entirely on spec sheets.
I know exactly what you meant when you said that the Tundra out towed the domestics which instanteously reminded me of your post in the other thread (I remembered it because it was rather uncharacteristic of you). It is also an totally inaccurate statement, hook up a 10,000 lb trailer (or whatever the Tundra's rating is) to the diesel domestics (or gas powered, I don't care) with 4.10 gears and see just how well that Tundra of yours does. The only time the Tundra out-tows the diesel domestics is when the tow rig is a pansy-ass 7400 lber.
Quote from: TBR on August 08, 2007, 12:29:11 AM
The Tundra is the most expensive half ton and doesn't get the best mileage (GM's). I see no reason to buy a Tundra over a Sierra or Silverado unless you really prefer the way it looks or you have to make the decision based entirely on spec sheets.
I know exactly what you meant when you said that the Tundra out towed the domestics which instanteously reminded me of your post in the other thread (I remembered it because it was rather uncharacteristic of you). It is also an totally inaccurate statement, hook up a 10,000 lb trailer (or whatever the Tundra's rating is) to the diesel domestics (or gas powered, I don't care) with 4.10 gears and see just how well that Tundra of yours does. The only time the Tundra out-tows the diesel domestics is when the tow rig is a pansy-ass 7400 lber.
Your assertion sounds hollow; you call 7,400 pansy, but 10,000 lbs is the be-all and end-all?
The gasoline-powered 3/4-tons would get owned in towing acceleration. In that there is zero doubt.
The Silverado 6.6L would give the best run relative to the other 3/4-ton diesels, it is the lightest, has the most power, and has a 6sp AT.
Most certainly not, but it is all the Tundra can handle (while the 3/4 tons can tow 13000+). The domestic diesels most definitely do out tow the Tundra simply because they can tow more. Additionally, I imagine the 3/4 tons trucks are much more stable with a trailer of any significant weight.
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Quote from: GoCougs on August 08, 2007, 09:33:02 AM
Your assertion sounds hollow; you call 7,400 pansy, but 10,000 lbs is the be-all and end-all?
The gasoline-powered 3/4-tons would get owned in towing acceleration. In that there is zero doubt.
The Silverado 6.6L would give the best run relative to the other 3/4-ton diesels, it is the lightest, has the most power, and has a 6sp AT.
I hate there's no way to really confirm whether your tow ratings are conservative or over reaching. For engines you can stick them on a dyno. What can you do for tow ratings, since they are rated by the manufacture. You kinda just have to take their word for it.
There needs to be some test where trucks are towed to destruction, and rated that way. Just keep adding more and more weight till something breaks. Done by an independent agency like crash tests are. I guess it's too expensive to do, and it's not a matter of life and death like crash safety.
Quote from: TBR on August 08, 2007, 09:40:37 AM
Most certainly not, but it is all the Tundra can handle (while the 3/4 tons can tow 13000+). The domestic diesels most definitely do out tow the Tundra simply because they can tow more. Additionally, I imagine the 3/4 tons trucks are much more stable with a trailer of any significant weight.
That's key, because tongue weight can have a huge impact on the handling of a truck. If its suspension is not designed to deal with it you can have a dangerous handling situation. A truck with a higher spring and damping rate and will handle it better.
Quote from: 565 on August 08, 2007, 06:52:11 PM
I hate there's no way to really confirm whether your tow ratings are conservative or over reaching.? For engines you can stick them on a dyno.? What can you do for tow ratings, since they are rated by the manufacture.? You kinda just have to take their word for it.
There needs to be some test where trucks are towed to destruction, and rated that way.? Just keep adding more and more weight till something breaks.? Done by an independent agency like crash tests are. I guess it's too expensive to do, and it's not a matter of life and death like crash safety.
I completely agree. It's simply amazing that it's not regulated.
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