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I...want...this...car! It's brilliant. I mean that. It's brilliant. I have driven a Cobalt LT coupe and I thought it was junk, but this car so much better it's hard to believe it's based on the same car.
Let's start with the exterior:
This car actually looks good...wing and all. When I first saw the SS I thought the wing looked stupid, but the more I saw it and once I got to drive it, I feelt he wing fits the personality of the car and I would not want to take it off if I ever owned one of these cars. The body kit (wing aside) is subtle and handsome. It's nicely done and I quite like it.
The burnt orange paint is beautiful and I wouldn't take this car in any other colour.
Now for the interior:
This car came fully loaded with every available option including the Recaro seats. They are very comfortable and very supportive and are height adjustable. My dad is only 5'8" and I'm 6'1" so when I got in my head brushed the ceiling. I cranked the seat down and I had 2" of clearance. The seat frame is very stiff and does not flex at all which is very nice.
The shifter is very smooth, very quick, very direct, and very precise. I never missed a shift or a gear. My only complaint is the knob is too small. I found that when I pulled the lever from 1st to 2nd I was only really catching the knob with one finger because my other two fingers slid off on either side. That's a problem that is easily fixed for $35.
The dash layout is logical and the materials are decent. The dash lighting is very nice and has a quality look to it. The guages are very easy to read and have a more upscale look to them. My only complaint here is the boost guage is in kPa because we live in a metric society. I would have preferred it in PSI because that's what all gearheads understand.
Now for the best part...the steering wheel. I fell in love with the steering wheel. It's thick and shaped just right for performance driving. The steering wheel sports cruise control buttons and controls for the 9 speaker Pioneer stereo that includes a 10" Pioneer subwoofer in the truck.
Surprisingly, I found the subwoofer lacking in that deep "rich" bass Pioneer is known for. XM is built in and I was very impressed with the seamless operation it offered through the stock head unit as opposed to the Delphi Roady XT I have in my car. Overall the sound quality is very good and gets better as the volume is turned up.
Performance:
0-60 mph happens in 6.1 seconds, but I have to admit that it felt faster. It gets to redline really fast and I hit the rev limiter 4 times in 1 st gear before I got it figured out. Dropping the clutch in this car is a mistake. I made a 3000 rpm launch and it resulted in severe axle hop and my dad yelling, "OK! OK! OK!". I had to apologize to him for that. The most impressive part of the power is when you are just cruising along in 3rd gear and you drop the hammer and watch the speedometer climb the numbers faster then you ever expect. It feels like the horsepower rating of 205 is underrated.
The handling is even more impressive then the power. Corners are taken flat, confidently, and fast. The steering is very direct, linear, and is virtually torque free. Putting the pedal to floor in the middle of the corner resulted in some tire spin or the front tires gripping and pulling through the corner with little to no drama.
I have very few complaints about the car and they are relatively minor. I already mentioned the shift knob and that can be fixed for less then $50. You can't hear the supercharger. At high revs, the supercharger is still very quiet and I would like to hear it. The last thing is the boost guage being in metric. Again that's something that can be fixed by buying an American guage off eBay.
I do really want this car because it offers excellent performance and handling, looks good, drives very well, it's very comfortable, and it all comes with a relatively low price tag and I'm not talking MSRP. I'm talking real world prices. My parents bought this car for $23,000 when the MSRP was $29,500. For the life of me I don't know why they had a hard time selling them, it is a brilliant car.
My pictures will follow tonight.
Nice writeup! I've always thought it was a great car. I assume it just didn't sell too well is because people in the sport-compact market tend to favor Japanese cars for usually no reason, but it is a fantastic little car.
Cool write-up, sounds like a nice ride.
I am pretty sure you are right about the engine being underrated.
I really hope that you get lots of money out of the guy who sold you your Sunfire.
That way you can sell the Sunfire and buy one of these. :praise:
Nice write-up! I rather like the Cobalt SS, and probably would have strongly considered one had they been in my price range. Alas, I never even bothered with a test drive, as I knew it was out of my budget.
I agree, that orange is the color to get, though I'd still prefer a lower profile spoiler.
This was the one GM car that is in my budget and that I would have seriously considered as my next vehicle.... and GM discontinued it this year :(
Quote from: MX793 on October 09, 2007, 07:15:05 PM
This was the one GM car that is in my budget and that I would have seriously considered as my next vehicle.... and GM discontinued it this year :(
It's dead!? Why!?
I'm not sure why the SS Supercharged got discontinued, but I seem to remember some rumors about a turbocharged Cobalt floating around. There may have been pictures, too.
260 hp turbo FTW???
Quote from: the Teuton on October 09, 2007, 07:31:52 PM
260 hp turbo FTW???
That seems like a reasonable guess to me.
Considering how that chassis deals with 205bhp, I'd hate to struggle with that steering wheel at 260. It's a great car, but it takes a measured foot as is.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=11550.msg598353#msg598353 date=1191981622
Considering how that chassis deals with 205bhp, I'd hate to struggle with that steering wheel at 260. It's a great car, but it takes a measured foot as is.
Torque-steer was virtually non-existent which was the complete opposite of the Mazda3 I drove this summer. The Cobalt SS spins it's tires fairly easily though and you do have to be gentle with the pedal. I agree though that 260 hp would be too much. If I had one of these I might swap out the pulley for a smaller one but only to see how it handle the extra power because I really don't think the car needs it. If it was RWD I would push the power to the limit. :lol:
FWD can handle ginormous power, you just have to do it properly.
Quote from: NACar on October 10, 2007, 09:31:49 AM
FWD can handle ginormous power, you just have to do it properly.
Trust me, you actually have to be very careful not to spin the tires in this car. I wouldn't want the huge power in the Caliber SRT-4 or the Mazdaspeed3. I've driven a regular Mazda3 and the torque-steer was unbelievable. Thankfully the Cobalt has virtually no torque-steer or else it would have been downright scary.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 10, 2007, 10:08:49 AM
Trust me, you actually have to be very careful not to spin the tires in this car. I wouldn't want the huge power in the Caliber SRT-4 or the Mazdaspeed3. I've driven a regular Mazda3 and the torque-steer was unbelievable. Thankfully the Cobalt has virtually no torque-steer or else it would have been downright scary.
Yeah, I trust you.
The Caliber SRT-4 uses traction control, at least.
It looks outstanding in that colour. Good to hear it's a snappy car to drive - one hell of a used buy.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 10, 2007, 10:08:49 AM
Trust me, you actually have to be very careful not to spin the tires in this car. I wouldn't want the huge power in the Caliber SRT-4 or the Mazdaspeed3. I've driven a regular Mazda3 and the torque-steer was unbelievable. Thankfully the Cobalt has virtually no torque-steer or else it would have been downright scary.
I am with you on this. I've had my GTI for over a year now, and at no point have I thought to myself "Boy I wish I had more power!" Its already enough where I can spin my tires in first, and then chirp them going from 1->2 and from 2->3.
~200 HP seems just about perfect for small, FWD cars. If you go to RWD or AWD, more power makes sense (STI, EVO, etc...).
Quote from: NACar on October 10, 2007, 10:17:49 AM
Yeah, I trust you.
The Caliber SRT-4 uses traction control, at least.
Doesn't the Caliber SRT-4 have AWD? :huh:
Never mind. I knew the Caliber's available with AWD... I would have assumed that something with friggin 300hp would have it at least OPTIONAL.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 10, 2007, 11:30:13 AM
Never mind. I knew the Caliber's available with AWD... I would have assumed that something with friggin 300hp would have it at least OPTIONAL.
It would have been nice, fo shizzle.
Quote from: NACar on October 10, 2007, 11:30:58 AM
It would have been nice, fo shizzle.
I'm sure the modders on the SRT4 community will figure out how to bolt an AWD transaxle to it.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 10, 2007, 11:32:29 AM
I'm sure the modders on the SRT4 community will figure out how to bolt an AWD transaxle to it.
If the R/T's AWD system was capable of handling 300hp, don't you think they would have stuck it on the SRT4?
Quote from: NACar on October 10, 2007, 11:34:46 AM
If the R/T's AWD system was capable of handling 300hp, don't you think they would have stuck it on the SRT4?
It's Chrysler. When the hell was the last time they came up with a SMART idea? 1984 with the Magic Wagons?
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 10, 2007, 11:35:46 AM
It's Chrysler. When the hell was the last time they came up with a SMART idea? 1984 with the Magic Wagons?
I think this was pretty SMRT:
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Yes but j00 drive a 'st33m. j0ur judgement is impaired. ;)
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 10, 2007, 11:39:26 AM
Yes but j00 drive a 'st33m. j0ur judgement is impaired. ;)
shut up, u fucktard. i drive an escort now. :devil:
:lol:
Where's the 'st33m now?
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 10, 2007, 11:40:58 AM
:lol:
Where's the 'st33m now?
parked outside next to the escort :huh:
Quote from: NACar on October 10, 2007, 11:42:33 AM
parked outside next to the escort :huh:
Move flames onto the broken window! :rockon:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 10, 2007, 11:43:22 AM
Move flames onto the broken window! :rockon:
Or how about I put a window there instead so it will pass inspection
Quote from: NACar on October 10, 2007, 11:56:44 AM
Or how about I put a window there instead so it will pass inspection
Mine will fail inspection because of the lack of DRLs.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 10, 2007, 11:58:19 AM
Mine will fail inspection because of the lack of DRLs.
The Escort's inspection expired in June. Needs window NOW.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 10, 2007, 11:30:13 AM
Never mind. I knew the Caliber's available with AWD... I would have assumed that something with friggin 300hp would have it at least OPTIONAL.
Where have you been? It's 280 hp.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 10, 2007, 12:10:41 PM
Where have you been? It's 280 hp.
285 bhp @ 5700rpm if you want to be picky.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 10, 2007, 07:43:35 AM
Torque-steer was virtually non-existent which was the complete opposite of the Mazda3 I drove this summer. The Cobalt SS spins it's tires fairly easily though and you do have to be gentle with the pedal. I agree though that 260 hp would be too much. If I had one of these I might swap out the pulley for a smaller one but only to see how it handle the extra power because I really don't think the car needs it. If it was RWD I would push the power to the limit. :lol:
Yeah, but if you floor the thing in first gear, you'll stand still. I can't imagine it with 260bhp. The most powerful FWD car I've driven had 260 (TL) and the torque steer was awful.
Quote from: VetteZ06 on October 09, 2007, 07:26:22 PM
I'm not sure why the SS Supercharged got discontinued, but I seem to remember some rumors about a turbocharged Cobalt floating around. There may have been pictures, too.
No, that was the HHR you were thinking of. The tall bread-box gets the 260hp turbo, and the nimble coupe gets a wimpy 2.4 n/a. Go figure.
Quote from: Raza on October 10, 2007, 12:32:07 PM
Yeah, but if you floor the thing in first gear, you'll stand still. I can't imagine it with 260bhp. The most powerful FWD car I've driven had 260 (TL) and the torque steer was awful.
Since when was the fastest way to launch in
any high-powered fwd or rwd car to floor it in first gear? If I dropped the clutch and floored my mustang in 1st gear from a dead stop it would roast the tires off, why would you expect a 260 hp fwd car to behave differently without electronic intervention?
Quote from: FordSVT on October 10, 2007, 02:12:57 PM
Since when was the fastest way to launch in any high-powered fwd or rwd car to floor it in first gear? If I dropped the clutch and floored my mustang in 1st gear from a dead stop it would roast the tires off, why would you expect a 260 hp fwd car to behave differently without electronic intervention?
When did I say anything about dumping the clutch?
Quote from: Raza on October 10, 2007, 07:07:58 PM
When did I say anything about dumping the clutch?
Well, because in order spin the tires badly enough to "stand still" as you put it, you would have to be some damn aggressive with the clutch. I've driven A Cobalt SS and it wasn't THAT powerful. With a quick launch the tires spin a couple of feet and then grab and hang on through first and second gear.
I'm not going to disagree with the assertion that fwd cars don't put power to the ground as well as rwd or awd cars, that would be silly. But 200-220 hp is definitely on the safe side of overkill in a properly set up, 3000 lb car.
Same with the MPS3. It gets a lot of slack for being hard to handle in first gear, and for coming loose easily on a hard launch, but to get it to come loose to the point where the tires simply spin and don't hook up for 100 ft you've got to be trying to do so.
Hyperbole doesn't win arguments is all.
Quote from: FordSVT on October 10, 2007, 07:28:41 PM
Well, because in order spin the tires badly enough to "stand still" as you put it, you would have to be some damn aggressive with the clutch. I've driven A Cobalt SS and it wasn't THAT powerful. With a quick launch the tires spin a couple of feet and then grab and hang on through first and second gear.
I'm not going to disagree with the assertion that fwd cars don't put power to the ground as well as rwd or awd cars, that would be silly. But 200-220 hp is definitely on the safe side of overkill in a properly set up, 3000 lb car.
Same with the MPS3. It gets a lot of slack for being hard to handle in first gear, and for coming loose easily on a hard launch, but to get it to come loose to the point where the tires simply spin and don't hook up for 100 ft you've got to be trying to do so.
Hyperbole doesn't win arguments is all.
Well, when I drove the Cobalt SS/SC, an easy launch and flooring it in first gear caused the front wheels to light up.
With only 160 hp and 150 lb-ft (peak), my car is right at the brink of losing traction if you romp on it in 1st from a slow roll. And I don't even try to be the least bit agressive when the road is wet or all I get is front end wander and a general loss of steering. I was driving in the rain a few weeks ago and I took off a bit briskly from a traffic light, hit a set of railroad tracks while accelerating (I was in 2nd gear at that point going maybe 20 mph) and the whole damn front end stepped to the left as the front wheels lost traction on the metal. I don't think I was giving it more than half throttle either, certainly not pedal to the floor. And I couldn't do much to correct it because once the fronts let go, you can't steer. Just have to let off the throttle and wait for them to find grip again.
Quote from: Raza on October 10, 2007, 07:41:34 PM
Well, when I drove the Cobalt SS/SC, an easy launch and flooring it in first gear caused the front wheels to light up.
Slick road? Worn out tires? Did it not have the limited slip option? Is your definition of "easy", "letting the clutch out quickly at 3000 rpms"?
I've driven two of them, both with the limited slip and the wheel spin was easily managed at WOT in first gear from a rolling start or a "normal" green light take-off.
Question for you m/t Mazda3 drivers: In top gear traveling 70 mph (112 km/h), what does your car rev at? My car (Protege) revs at 3300 rpm, which seems unnecessarily high. I've always wondered if they fixed changed that for the 3.
Quote from: FordSVT on October 10, 2007, 09:53:14 PM
Slick road? Worn out tires? Did it not have the limited slip option? Is your definition of "easy", "letting the clutch out quickly at 3000 rpms"?
I've driven two of them, both with the limited slip and the wheel spin was easily managed at WOT in first gear from a rolling start or a "normal" green light take-off.
Were you driving an SS or an SS Supercharged? The regular SS is not that powerful but the SS Supercharged has got a lot of oomph. Like I said in my review, a 3000 rpm clutch drop resulted in severe axle hop so I don't recommend it anyway. The nice thing about the SS Supercharged was the lack of torque-steer which not something I could say for even the ost basic Mazda3 with 144 hp. Even with only 5 or 10 degrees of steering input, the car tried to rip the steering wheel out of my hands with 3/4 throttle input. The way these cars are setup makes all the difference. The SS Supercharged could probably handle 20 or so more ponies, but it would make first gear pretty touchy.
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Quote from: The Pirate on October 10, 2007, 09:58:12 PM
Question for you m/t Mazda3 drivers: In top gear traveling 70 mph (112 km/h), what does your car rev at? My car (Protege) revs at 3300 rpm, which seems unnecessarily high. I've always wondered if they fixed changed that for the 3.
I think just under 3000 in the 2.3 L but I'll remember to check later today and post the number and fuel economy at that speed. The 3 is still geared rather short in 5th though, at 120 kph in 5th if you step on the gas the car accelerates quicker than most 4 cyl cars I've driven in.
Quote from: FordSVT on October 11, 2007, 07:06:40 AM
I think just under 3000 in the 2.3 L but I'll remember to check later today and post the number and fuel economy at that speed. The 3 is still geared rather short in 5th though, at 120 kph in 5th if you step on the gas the car accelerates quicker than most 4 cyl cars I've driven in.
Cool, thanks. The 2.0L in my car is fairly torquey and definitely has the suds to pull some taller gearing. I think the car would be perfect if every gear was just a bit taller.
Damn, that's a good looking car, Hemi! Good looking interior, and those seats look pretty comfy as well. Again, I think that's the color to get in that car too.
Quote from: The Pirate on October 11, 2007, 12:43:38 PM
Damn, that's a good looking car, Hemi! Good looking interior, and those seats look pretty comfy as well. Again, I think that's the color to get in that car too.
If I bought one, it's the only colour I would look at.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 11, 2007, 06:34:13 AM
Were you driving an SS or an SS Supercharged? The regular SS is not that powerful but the SS Supercharged has got a lot of oomph. Like I said in my review, a 3000 rpm clutch drop resulted in severe axle hop so I don't recommend it anyway. The nice thing about the SS Supercharged was the lack of torque-steer which not something I could say for even the ost basic Mazda3 with 144 hp. Even with only 5 or 10 degrees of steering input, the car tried to rip the steering wheel out of my hands with 3/4 throttle input. The way these cars are setup makes all the difference. The SS Supercharged could probably handle 20 or so more ponies, but it would make first gear pretty touchy.
It was supercharged and had a limited slip. It pulled straight at WOT, I'm just saying it wasn't so touchy you were smoking the tires all of the time and could easily handle more power. We agree with each other.
My Mazda torque steers a bit but if you feel the steering wheel is tugging hard enough to come out of your hands you need to start working out. :heated:
;)
Fun Fact: the Est33m torque steers worse than the SRT-4
Quote from: NACar on October 11, 2007, 01:02:30 PM
Fun Fact: the Est33m torque steers worse than the SRT-4
The SRT-4 was designed to be fast in a straight line. The Esteem was designed to be an economy wagon.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 11, 2007, 01:24:41 PM
The SRT-4 was designed to be fast in a straight line. The Esteem was designed to be an economy wagon.
Fun fact: Both are FWD, and the SRT-4 has ~2.5 times the power of the Esteem. In actuality, the SRT-4 was made with equal length axles to help eliminate torque steer. But, not knowing this, one would assume an SRT-4 would have more torque steer than an Esteem wagon. My 130hp Mazda has torque steer as well.
It's just a quirky fact that goes against what one would assume.
Quote from: The Pirate on October 11, 2007, 01:33:30 PM
Fun fact: Both are FWD, and the SRT-4 has ~2.5 times the power of the Esteem. In actuality, the SRT-4 was made with equal length axles to help eliminate torque steer. But, not knowing this, one would assume an SRT-4 would have more torque steer than an Esteem wagon. My 130hp Mazda has torque steer as well.
It's just a quirky fact that goes against what one would assume.
SRT-4 also had a nice LSD. :praise:
Thank god you blurred out the plates. :rolleyes:
Also, more pics of that sexy Montana! :rockon:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 11, 2007, 01:24:41 PM
The SRT-4 was designed to be fast in a straight line. The Esteem was designed to be an economy wagon.
The SRT-4 is a sport compact. It's not really a one-trick pony.
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 11, 2007, 01:42:33 PM
The SRT-4 is a sport compact. It's not really a one-trick pony.
That's also an argument one can use to explain deficiencies to women.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 11, 2007, 01:43:47 PM
That's also an argument one can use to explain deficiencies to women.
?
Quote from: TheIntrepid on October 11, 2007, 01:36:55 PM
Thank god you blurred out the plates. :rolleyes:
I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic. :ohyeah:
QuoteAlso, more pics of that sexy Montana! :rockon:
You have problems.
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That countryside in the background looks really nice.
Quote from: FordSVT on October 10, 2007, 09:53:14 PM
Slick road? Worn out tires? Did it not have the limited slip option? Is your definition of "easy", "letting the clutch out quickly at 3000 rpms"?
I've driven two of them, both with the limited slip and the wheel spin was easily managed at WOT in first gear from a rolling start or a "normal" green light take-off.
Limited slip (I think that's standard), brand new car, under 100 miles, blacktop turning on to concrete (I don't think I was on the concrete just yet though), and an easy launch is a normal launch you'd do at a green light. You let the clutch out, catch, and then floor it.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 11, 2007, 12:54:23 PM
If I bought one, it's the only colour I would look at.
The orange looks nice, but I wouldn't want to drive it anywhere. It sticks out too much.
I drove a black one with a normal spoiler, not that big one.
Quote from: NACar on October 11, 2007, 01:35:44 PM
SRT-4 also had a nice LSD. :praise:
Of the two worst torque steering cars I've driven, one had a slippy diff. It doesn't always help; I recall one article blaming the TL's torque steer on its diff.
Quote from: R-inge on October 10, 2007, 12:37:11 PM
No, that was the HHR you were thinking of.
No.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51752
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54264
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 11, 2007, 01:47:36 PM
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That countryside in the background looks really nice.
It's the BC Interior. It's beautiful there and I'm moving back soon. My last day at work is tomorrow and then I have a week off before starting the new job.
Quote from: The Pirate on October 11, 2007, 12:28:26 PM
Cool, thanks. The 2.0L in my car is fairly torquey and definitely has the suds to pull some taller gearing. I think the car would be perfect if every gear was just a bit taller.
Bang on 3000 rpm. Here's a video I took starting at 70 mph and accelerating. Slight up-grade but only a couple of degrees I think. It's the only straight on the way to work I can safely go that fast.
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QuoteMX793 said:
With only 160 hp and 150 lb-ft (peak), my car is right at the brink of losing traction if you romp on it in 1st from a slow roll. And I don't even try to be the least bit agressive when the road is wet or all I get is front end wander and a general loss of steering. I was driving in the rain a few weeks ago and I took off a bit briskly from a traffic light, hit a set of railroad tracks while accelerating (I was in 2nd gear at that point going maybe 20 mph) and the whole damn front end stepped to the left as the front wheels lost traction on the metal. I don't think I was giving it more than half throttle either, certainly not pedal to the floor. And I couldn't do much to correct it because once the fronts let go, you can't steer. Just have to let off the throttle and wait for them to find grip again.
That's been my experience too. I found that when I went to a 215 tire with a summer compound instead of the 205 RS-A all-season it was much better. When the winter tires are on the car is just this side of breaking loose in first gear and even in second gear the front end will wander a bit when the rpms pick up.
Quote from: HEMI666 on October 11, 2007, 06:35:57 AM
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I've always liked the Cobalt SS, but these are the seats it deserves:
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Love the colour. Reminds me of the Tiger Mica on earlier Commodores:
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Quote from: ifcar on October 16, 2007, 07:40:09 AM
I've always liked the Cobalt SS, but these are the seats it deserves:
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The SS/SC seats aren't bad, but they look great. On what vehicle are they currently equipped?
Also, would an Ion Redline be cheaper to buy used?
Quote from: Raza on October 16, 2007, 07:59:41 AM
The SS/SC seats aren't bad, but they look great. On what vehicle are they currently equipped?
I don't think anything anymore. Why?
Quote from: ifcar on October 16, 2007, 08:27:40 AM
I don't think anything anymore. Why?
Just curious. What were they sold on?
Quote from: FordSVT on October 16, 2007, 06:45:53 AM
Bang on 3000 rpm. Here's a video I took starting at 70 mph and accelerating. Slight up-grade but only a couple of degrees I think. It's the only straight on the way to work I can safely go that fast.
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That's been my experience too. I found that when I went to a 215 tire with a summer compound instead of the 205 RS-A all-season it was much better. When the winter tires are on the car is just this side of breaking loose in first gear and even in second gear the front end will wander a bit when the rpms pick up.
Cool, thanks. Your 3 has pretty good acceleration too.
Quote from: VetteZ06 on October 11, 2007, 02:14:59 PM
No.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51752
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54264
Ah, I stand corrected.
Quote from: Raza on October 16, 2007, 12:13:52 PM
Just curious. What were they sold on?
That's a Cobalt SS.
Quote from: ifcar on October 16, 2007, 08:01:13 PM
That's a Cobalt SS.
The Cobalt SS had different seats from the SS/SC?
They were optional in the SC only i believe.
It's the optional seating on the SS S/C.
I looked on edmunds, in 07 there was a "front sport seat" option. I assume it was the recaro seats(iffy would know for sure).
I did see something else interesting though.
In the first year(05) chevy offered a front bench seat option in the
SS supercharged coupe. :rolleyes:
GM..... :hammerhead:
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on October 16, 2007, 08:06:32 PM
I looked on edmunds, in 07 there was a "front sport seat" option. I assume it was the recaro seats(iffy would know for sure).
I did see something else interesting though.
In the first year(05) chevy offered a front bench seat option in the
SS supercharged coupe. :rolleyes:
GM..... :hammerhead:
That's definitely not true. The only Chevy passenger car with a bench seat in recent years is the Impala.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/chevrolet/cobalt/100434292/options.html?tid=edmunds.u.prices.utmv.vdpprice.13.Chevrolet* (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/chevrolet/cobalt/100434292/options.html?tid=edmunds.u.prices.utmv.vdpprice.13.Chevrolet*)
It was listed here, normally edmunds is pretty accurate on the options.
As you can see at the top i have the SS supercharged coupe selected and then clicked on custom appraisel. Top option is for a front bench seat.
It's wrong.
Quote from: ifcar on October 16, 2007, 08:15:05 PM
It's wrong.
thats why i said they are normally accurate.
I'll take your word over theirs.
BUT....
Would you really be surprised if GM offered a bench seat on a compact performance car???
I wouldn't be.
Yes. There are almost no passenger cars left with bench seats.
Buick LaCrosse
Buick Lucerne
Cadillac DTS
Chevrolet Impala
Ford Crown Victoria
Lincoln Town Car
Mercury Grand Marquis
I think that's it. And it's been a long time since there's been a compact with one.
I have to admit that they're a pretty sharp little car.
I saw a convoy of them on the weekend (about 20) in a variety of colours. I thought they may be driving them over to the local dealers but they were being driven by (mostly) young couples...seems they have a local club already.
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 17, 2007, 07:48:13 AM
I have to admit that they're a pretty sharp little car.
I saw a convoy of them on the weekend (about 20) in a variety of colours. I thought they may be driving them over to the local dealers but they were being driven by (mostly) young couples...seems they have a local club already.
Yeah, they've got a very loyal following already.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on October 16, 2007, 08:06:32 PM
I looked on edmunds, in 07 there was a "front sport seat" option. I assume it was the recaro seats(iffy would know for sure).
I did see something else interesting though.
In the first year(05) chevy offered a front bench seat option in the
SS supercharged coupe. :rolleyes:
GM..... :hammerhead:
In Canada, the only way to get the LSD option on a Cobalt SC was to buy the Recaro package that included those seats.
The Cobalt SS/SC's LSJ also has a fair amount of potential in the block, being made for FI...
A local guy here who does tuning got 271 FWHP out of it on GM Stage 2-style mods alone, and over 320 with a 50-shot on top.
Now offer an SS sedan w/o a spoiler :rockon:
Quote from: SaltyDog on October 17, 2007, 02:38:29 PM
Now offer an SS sedan w/o a spoiler :rockon:
A discreet SS sedan would be nice. The coupe's rear end makes visibility suck ass, and if you get the spoiler like Hemi's parents, then you can't see anything.
Quote from: Raza on October 17, 2007, 02:44:59 PM
A discreet SS sedan would be nice. The coupe's rear end makes visibility suck ass, and if you get the spoiler like Hemi's parents, then you can't see anything.
+1
I want as little police attention as possible and will always take a sedan over a coupe.