Originally Posted by Motor Authority
Hyundai?s new Genesis coupe has been caught uncovered at a market research event sitting next to its toughest competitor, the Ford Mustang. The car was photographed by someone at the event, however nobody has claimed responsibility for the pictures, which turned up on an online forum. The final production version is expected to debut late next year as a 2009 model but a near-production concept version will be unveiled at next month?s Los Angeles Auto Show.
The new car will replace the current FWD Tiburon coupe but will feature a much more powerful V6 engine and possibly the new ?Tau? V8 powerplant for a flagship model. Rumors suggest a 2.0L Turbo engine with 215hp and 217ft.lb of torque will get an incredibly good price of $19,900, while a 3.8L V6 with 300hp and 280ft.lb would be priced higher at $25,990. It?s also suggested the car would get a limited slip diff and optional Brembo brakes.
As you can tell from the aggressive styling, Hyundai is clearly looking to succeed with this coupe where the Tiburon could not. As a company looking to move up in the world, Hyundai is doing a great job styling its new products such as this and the upcoming large Genesis sedan. It?s still likely, however, that Hyundai will use a different badge for the new coupe, just as it did with the Tiburon.
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Do I see Lexus IS in the front end?
I can't even see the picture, let alone the Lexus IS front end.
Quote from: Raghavan on November 08, 2007, 08:05:47 PM
I can't even see the picture, let alone the Lexus IS front end.
:confused:
Ok hold on.
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I like it other than the wacky beltline.
That looks good, I don't see any Lexus IS.
I see it in the headlight shape, but I agree with Rags. Beltline's wacky, I also see some Altima Coupe.
Is this the car that people were reporting to be the next Tiburon?
I kind of like it.
I really like it. That "wacky" beltline was an enormous styling risk, but you know I think it works! :clap:
I'd love to know what it weighs compared to the Mustang.
Also, 300hp and an IRS makes it a more than worthy Mustang competitor. This is going to give Ford one serious headache.
Quote from: Payman on November 08, 2007, 08:42:40 PM
I really like it. That "wacky" beltline was an enormous styling risk, but you know I think it works! :clap:
I'd love to know what it weighs compared to the Mustang.
It's a risk, but it wouldn't turn me off from the rest of the car if it was a good car.
Still though, I wish the entire beltline was flat and lower.
rwd, turbo-4, AND it look good :rockon:
Hate the wheels, tho.
The more I look at the close-up pic, the more I don't understand the mismatched window sizes :nutty:
But more importantly, I hope this car sends a message to all the other carmakers that makes them think "OMG why didn't WE come up with an affordable RWD 2+2 coupe before???" :devil:
Damn. That's hot.
Looking again, I see that the front fender extends back under the side glass, and overlaps the beginning of the rear fender, creating the funky beltline. Cool.
Quick Nethead! It's another one of those Mustang impersonators!!
Quote from: JYODER240 on November 08, 2007, 09:04:33 PM
Quick Nethead! It's another one of those Mustang impersonators!!
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: JYODER240 on November 08, 2007, 09:04:33 PM
Quick Nethead! It's another one of those Mustang impersonators!!
JyoDude!!! It cannot be a Mustang impersonator.
For one, The Nethead here has noticed that it has, in fact, been manufactured by Hyundai Motor Company. Hyundai refers to a group of companies and related organizations founded by Chung Ju-yung in South Korea. The first Hyundai company was founded in 1947 as a construction company, and the Hyundai Group eventually became South Korea's largest conglomerate company.
The most well-known Hyundai organization is the Hyundai Motor Company, the world's 6th largest automaker. Hyundai Heavy Industries is the world's largest shipbuilder, and Hynix is a top semiconductor producer. Other companies currently or formerly controlled by members of Chung's extended family may be loosely referred to as a part of the Hyundai chaebol.
The Hyundai Group underwent massive restructuring following the 1997 East Asian financial crisis and the founder's death in 2001. Today, many companies bearing the Hyundai name are legally unrelated, with each company having a different chairman. Former components include Hyundai Group, Hyundai Kia Automotive Group, Hyundai Department Store Group, Hyundai Heavy Industries Group, and Hyundai Development Group. After the separation, Hyundai Group focuses on elevators, container services, and tourism to Mount Kumgang.
The word "hyundai" means "modernity" in Korean, and is pronounced [?ʌn.dɛ]). It is often pronounced as [hʌn.de(j)] in North America, as [haɪ.ʌn.daɪ] in the United Kingdom, as [hi.jʌn.d?ɪ] in Australia, and as [ɣɛɴdai] in Japan. Early American advertising for the Hyundai Excel car informed readers that the name, "rhymes with Sunday".
The Mustang is manufactured by
FORD in case you did not know.
you seem to be enjoying this too much :nutty:
Joke was done the first time.
:mask:
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 08, 2007, 09:15:26 PM
you seem to be enjoying this too much :nutty:
I drive a Camry. I clearly don't have fun on the road, so I try to do it at my computer.
Good impersonation tho... unless it wasn't an impersonation... :mask:
The basic ingredient is:
Add "dude" to someone's name. Say something stupidly trollish about the Mustang
[insert Wikipedia article here]
End with a thesis defending stupid point about Mustang.
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 08, 2007, 09:21:53 PM
The basic ingredient is:
Add "dude" to someone's name. Say something stupidly trollish about the Mustang
[insert Wikipedia article here]
End with a thesis defending stupid point about Mustang.
Yup.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 08, 2007, 09:17:48 PM
I drive a Camry. I clearly don't have fun on the road, so I try to do it at my computer.
Try making race car noises and jerking the wheel left to right when you're sitting at a stoplight. Always works for me :rockon:
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 08, 2007, 09:22:30 PM
Try making rece car noises and jerking the wheel left to right when you're sitting at a stoplight. Always works for me :rockon:
I can only imagine a 30 year old Asian guy in a Cadillac doing that.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 08, 2007, 09:23:19 PM
I can only imagine a 30 year old Asian guy in a Cadillac doing that.
:nono:
I'm turning 27 next month. :rage: n00b.
:lol:
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 08, 2007, 09:25:38 PM
:nono:
I'm turning 27 next month. :rage: n00b.
And you don't drive an Asian car, you stereotype-breaker, you.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 08, 2007, 09:38:32 PM
And you don't drive an Asian car, you stereotype-breaker, you.
hey gimme a break...I owned 2 Honduhs in a row. I'm having enough trouble dealing with all this torque turning the wheels behind me. It scares me. :mask:
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 08, 2007, 09:41:49 PM
hey gimme a break...I owned 2 Honduhs in a row. I'm having enough trouble dealing with all this torque turning the wheels behind me. It scares me. :mask:
Break given. I'm just in a really bad mood these days and you bought a damn nice car with hopefully better than normal resale value.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 08, 2007, 09:46:15 PM
Break given. I'm just in a really bad mood these days and you bought a damn nice car with hopefully better than normal resale value.
haha yeah *hopefully* :) I'd like to see how long I can hold on to this car, though.
And don't fret, amigo. Soon you will be the one we'll all be jealous of when you bring home a sweet classic Bimmer :rockon:
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 08, 2007, 09:54:42 PM
haha yeah *hopefully* :) I'd like to see how long I can hold on to this car, though.
And don't fret, amigo. Soon you will be the one we'll all be jealous of when you bring home a sweet classic Bimmer :rockon:
Except that I just blew a decent chunk of money today on the laptop which I am currently using. It's being put on delay for a while. Subie tuning is where I'm heading at the moment.
They should take the mechanicals of this and put the last gen (0?-06) body on it
It's a big car to be beating up a little turbo 4.
But the more I see it, the more I like it.
If Hyundai works with the aftermarket to create a strong support system for it upon release, it could do really well, and set a paradigm for other manufacturers to follow...
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 09, 2007, 10:38:17 AM
It's a big car to be beating up a little turbo 4.
IIRC, it's not much heavier with the turbo 4 than the 2nd gen Eclipse AWD (which I recall being right around 3000 lbs)...
I wonder how similar this 2 liter turbo 4 is to the Mitsu one...
Quote from: ChrisV on November 09, 2007, 11:07:55 AM
IIRC, it's not much heavier with the turbo 4 than the 2nd gen Eclipse AWD (which I recall being right around 3000 lbs)...
I wonder how similar this 2 liter turbo 4 is to the Mitsu one...
If it really does come in at 3,000 for the turbo 4 model, with it's size in today's climate, I will be very surprised.
But with Hyundai these days it seems anything is possible.
The question will be, for 27-28K, will the uplevel models be worth the money over a used G35c or E46 coupe...
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 09, 2007, 11:51:26 AM
The question will be, for 27-28K, will the uplevel models be worth the money over a used G35c or E46 coupe...
They'll sure be worth it over an Accord or Altima coupe :ohyeah:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 09, 2007, 11:51:26 AM
If it really does come in at 3,000 for the turbo 4 model, with it's size in today's climate, I will be very surprised.
But with Hyundai these days it seems anything is possible.
The question will be, for 27-28K, will the uplevel models be worth the money over a used G35c or E46 coupe...
For a lot of people new is worth it over used, regardless. For others, we'll wait until
these become used... ;)
Will this become the next drifto car of the rice0r generation? I hope it's not too heavy. It looks like a big car.
I thought it was coming with a V8?!?!?!?!
Either way it'll be a good competitor for the Mustang.
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 08, 2007, 08:58:21 PM
But more importantly, I hope this car sends a message to all the other carmakers that makes them think "OMG why didn't WE come up with an affordable RWD 2+2 coupe before???" :devil:
If the Mustang didn't make those other car companies think that, then neither will this car.
Funny that they would have a Mustang next to it because the Ford's fluid lines only serve to emphasize how awkward the beltline is on the Genesis Coupe (hopefully they just name it Tiburon).
I guess I like the overall shape. But straighten out the beltline, Hyundai!
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 09, 2007, 02:14:22 PM
I thought it was coming with a V8?!?!?!?!
Either way it'll be a good competitor for the Mustang.
Read it again Hemi... a V8 version may be coming as well.
Hyundai has a lot of access to Mitsubishi parts. I can only hope that this thing will get the old 4G63 in it.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 09, 2007, 04:49:28 PM
Hyundai has a lot of access to Mitsubishi parts. I can only hope that this thing will get the old 4G63 in it.
Why??? That iron lump is a dog emissions wise and weighs more than most modern V6s.
Why is this in mainstream? It should be Fast Lane.
Quote from: Payman on November 09, 2007, 02:41:53 PM
Read it again Hemi... a V8 version may be coming as well.
Hyundai's made a lot of strides, but they've never made a V8 before. I wonder how it will turn out.
Quote from: FordSVT on November 10, 2007, 03:23:17 PM
Hyundai's made a lot of strides, but they've never made a V8 before. I wonder how it will turn out.
The only thing they should have to do is take two of the 2.4L 162-hp I-4's that power the Elantra, and put them together to make one 4.8L 324-hp V8... or two of the 110-hp 1.6L I-4's that power the Accent, and make one 3.2L 220-hp V8. Either one should require a bare minimum of new engineering.
Quote from: NACar on November 10, 2007, 03:30:16 PM
The only thing they should have to do is take two of the 2.4L 162-hp I-4's that power the Elantra, and put them together to make one 4.8L 324-hp V8... or two of the 110-hp 1.6L I-4's that power the Accent, and make one 3.2L 220-hp V8. Either one should require a bare minimum of new engineering.
I hope you're joking.
There will be no V8 version of this, they're leaving that for the sedan.
Though, it's not hard to fab up a block, if the heads are already made... if you're a multibillion dollar car company, that is.
Quote from: NACar on November 10, 2007, 03:30:16 PM
The only thing they should have to do is take two of the 2.4L 162-hp I-4's that power the Elantra, and put them together to make one 4.8L 324-hp V8... or two of the 110-hp 1.6L I-4's that power the Accent, and make one 3.2L 220-hp V8. Either one should require a bare minimum of new engineering.
Sweet god, Man, it's not
that simple, and there's no guarantee that either of their current 4 cylinders would be suitable as being "half a block" of a V8. There are only a few successful examples of companies doing this. All of them required a lot more than a "bare minimum" of new engineering.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 10, 2007, 03:43:12 PM
I hope you're joking.
Quote from: FordSVT on November 10, 2007, 03:56:13 PM
Sweet god, Man, it's not that simple, and there's no guarantee that either of their current 4 cylinders would be suitable as being "half a block" of a V8. There are only a few successful examples of companies doing this. All of them required a lot more than a "bare minimum" of new engineering.
How can you guys be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?
Oh no, they might have to cast a new block, make new cam shafts, manifolds, reprogram the ECU and a few other odds and ends. IMOPOSSIBLE! For fuck's sake, people, it's a lot easier to build an engine out of parts you already have and know they work, rather than starting everything from scratch - especially with the amount of engineering that goes into every single little thing. For a gigantic company like Hyundai, it would save a lot of money. I'm not suggesting that a shadetree mechanic should attempt to do this in his garage, but there's no black magic involved, either, despite what you guys seem to think. Next time, think about the context of what I'm saying before you try to make me look like the short-sighted shit-head.
:rolleyes:
Hyundai has a V8 and has had one for a while. It's in Korea's Equus.
Quote from: NACar on November 10, 2007, 04:21:11 PM
How can you guys be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?
Oh no, they might have to cast a new block, make new cam shafts, manifolds, reprogram the ECU and a few other odds and ends. IMOPOSSIBLE! For fuck's sake, people, it's a lot easier to build an engine out of parts you already have and know they work, rather than starting everything from scratch - especially with the amount of engineering that goes into every single little thing. For a gigantic company like Hyundai, it would save a lot of money. I'm not suggesting that a shadetree mechanic should attempt to do this in his garage, but there's no black magic involved, either, despite what you guys seem to think. Next time, think about the context of what I'm saying before you try to make me look like the short-sighted shit-head.
:rolleyes:
The Aston Martin V12 is basically two Duratecs grafted together. The W8 Passat was a similar idea, too. It's not horribly difficult for a car company to do.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 10, 2007, 04:34:48 PM
The Aston Martin V12 is basically two Duratecs grafted together.
That's a lot different then taking two 4 bangers and making a V8 out of them. :cheers:
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 10, 2007, 04:45:46 PM
That's a lot different then taking two 4 bangers and making a V8 out of them. :cheers:
OK... How?
Quote from: Raghavan on November 10, 2007, 05:10:46 PM
OK... How?
Grafting 2 V6's end to end and using a common crank is much easier than grafting 2 straight 4's side to side.
Quote from: Payman on November 10, 2007, 06:05:50 PM
Grafting 2 V6's end to end and using a common crank is much easier than grafting 2 straight 4's side to side.
VW did it with the W12. :huh:
Hyundai can also do it then.
Quote from: Raghavan on November 10, 2007, 06:27:46 PM
VW did it with the W12. :huh:
Hyundai can also do it then.
I said it was easier, not impossible.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 10, 2007, 04:34:48 PM
The Aston Martin V12 is basically two Duratecs grafted together. The W8 Passat was a similar idea, too. It's not horribly difficult for a car company to do.
I'm sure 93JC can clarify, but I do believe that the Aston V12 is not basically two Duratecs grafted together.
Quote from: Raza on November 10, 2007, 08:32:25 PM
I'm sure 93JC can clarify, but I do believe that the Aston V12 is not basically two Duratecs grafted together.
I'm not so sure. Wiki doesn't really clarify that, either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec
Quote from: the Teuton on November 10, 2007, 08:36:18 PM
I'm not so sure. Wiki doesn't really clarify that, either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec
Mark knows the full story, I think. I thought the same until he (at least I think it was him) set me right.
It looks....sort of.....OK?
Quote from: Raza on November 10, 2007, 08:38:16 PM
Mark knows the full story, I think. I thought the same until he (at least I think it was him) set me right.
I'm almost certain it is indeed two Duratecs Siamese'd together. If I weren't craving donuts right now I'd find the link.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 11, 2007, 09:54:46 AM
I'm almost certain it is indeed two Duratecs Siamese'd together. If I weren't craving donuts right now I'd find the link.
I thought it was too.
From Wiki's AM Vanquish page
"The Vanquish is powered by a 5.9 L (5935 cc) 48-valve 60? V12 engine, which produces 343 kW (460 hp) and 542 N?m (400 ft?lbf) of torque. It is controlled by a fly-by-wire throttle and a 6 speed clutchless sequential manual transmission. The V12 Vanquish S upped the power to 388 kW (520 hp) and 577 N?m (426 ft?lbf). The V12 engine in the Vanquish was designed at Ford Research in the USA. Cosworth Technologies was originally contracted to manufacture the engine, but had no involvement with the design. Previous articles which correctly recount this engine's development have appeared in Automotive Industries magazine.
The Vanquish's V12 engine shares some components and design elements with the 3.0 L Duratec 30 V6. It even shares the same bore and stroke dimensions. For this reason, many people incorrectly dismiss the Aston Martin V12 as merely "two Duratecs linked together." While it is correct that the AM V12 shares components with the 'Duratec' engine design, it is not possible to simply put two V6's together to make a V12."
There are links from there to read more.
It's a $40,000 engine that shares little with the Duratech in your dad's Taurus. The VW W8 is an expensive engine as well. Once you change the intake, exhaust, valve and head design, the composition and specs of the block and internals, use a different fuel system, etc. etc. etc., how much is left of that original design?
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's not cheap or some kind of shortcut to get around doing in major engineering. It's probably just as easy to design an engine from scratch in most cases, if slightly harder to manufacture if it's for smaller volume. I'd be disappointed in Hyundai if they took one of their lackluster 4 cylinder designs and used it as the basis for their new flagship sports coupe. They'd be better of using their new, modern 300 hp V6 as the basis for their V8. Nissan's VK V8s have a few things in common with their VQ V6s.
Quote from: FordSVT on November 11, 2007, 10:14:58 AM
While it is correct that the AM V12 shares components with the 'Duratec' engine design, it is not possible to simply put two V6's together to make a V12."
That statement is simply wrong.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 11, 2007, 10:22:32 AM
That statement is simply wrong.
Do you have lots of experience putting engines together? :huh:
Quote from: Raghavan on November 11, 2007, 10:24:58 AM
Do you have lots of experience putting engines together? :huh:
If what they are trying to say is that you can't take two already casted block and weld them together, they are right. But taking two castings and glueing them together to make one new casting is entirely possible. Ford engineers did it when they were fooling around with an experimental 351 cu.in. V10 that they made from grafting two 4.6L castings together.
"Unlikely as it sounds, these professional tinkerers got underway by cutting apart some existing 4.6 V-8 sand-casting cores and literally gluing them back together in V-10 form. They repeated this cutting-and-pasting process on Cobra R head cores, poured in some molten aluminum, and--voila--they had their basic castings. In comparison to having all-new tooling made up, this process was incredibly cost-effective."
Quote from: FordSVT on November 11, 2007, 10:14:58 AM
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's not cheap or some kind of shortcut to get around doing in major engineering. It's probably just as easy to design an engine from scratch in most cases, if slightly harder to manufacture if it's for smaller volume. I'd be disappointed in Hyundai if they took one of their lackluster 4 cylinder designs and used it as the basis for their new flagship sports coupe. They'd be better of using their new, modern 300 hp V6 as the basis for their V8. Nissan's VK V8s have a few things in common with their VQ V6s.
You cannot compare the process of developing a $40,000 Aston Martin engine to the engine in a Hyundai that doesn't even cost $30,000 all together. There's nothing particularly "lackluster" about the 4-cylinder engines that Hyundai uses, either.
The 163-hp 2.4L engine in the Sonata makes 67.9-hp/liter, while, the 300-hp 4.6L engine in a Mustang GT, for example, only manages 65.2-hp/liter - and I'm sure you wouldn't dare to call the Mustang engine "lackluster". Granted, the Sonata's 2.4L is not exclusivly a Hyundai design, but I think you get the point.
Quote from: NACar on November 11, 2007, 10:51:45 AM
You cannot compare the process of developing a $40,000 Aston Martin engine to the engine in a Hyundai that doesn't even cost $30,000 all together. There's nothing particularly "lackluster" about the 4-cylinder engines that Hyundai uses, either.
The 163-hp 2.4L engine in the Sonata makes 67.9-hp/liter, while, the 300-hp 4.6L engine in a Mustang GT, for example, only manages 65.2-hp/liter - and I'm sure you wouldn't dare to call the Mustang engine "lackluster". Granted, the Sonata's 2.4L is not exclusivly a Hyundai design, but I think you get the point.
When Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear that GM's 2.4L Ecotec only made 170 hp everyone in the studio laughed. :nutty:
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 11, 2007, 10:53:39 AM
When Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear that GM's 2.4L Ecotec only made 170 hp everyone in the studio laughed. :nutty:
Because it's a pretty large 4-cyl for "only" 170 hp. That only means that the Toyota one has a miserable hp/L ratio. Personally, I think it's fine.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 11, 2007, 10:53:39 AM
When Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear that GM's 2.4L Ecotec only made 170 hp everyone in the studio laughed. :nutty:
Right, the engine is small, but so what? It's a very efficient design, and that same design with double the cylinder count would be nothing to laugh at!
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 11, 2007, 11:00:49 AM
Because it's a pretty large 4-cyl for "only" 170 hp. That only means that the Toyota one has a miserable hp/L ratio. Personally, I think it's fine.
The powerband of such an engine is far more useful than a 1.8L 190hp Honda thingy, EVEN WITH VTAK! No kidding.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 11, 2007, 10:53:39 AM
When Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear that GM's 2.4L Ecotec only made 170 hp everyone in the studio laughed. :nutty:
I'm not sure why that would elicit such a response from the Top Gear audience, as there are many like-sized engines that have a lower output per liter of displacement. Toyota Camry's 2.4 being one of them. :huh:
Quote from: USA_Idol on November 11, 2007, 12:15:54 PM
I'm not sure why that would elicit such a response from the Top Gear audience, as there are many like-sized engines that have a lower output per liter of displacement. Toyota Camry's 2.4 being one of them. :huh:
American cars are an easy target, and 170bhp out of 2.4 liters isn't extraordinary either way, without forced induction. My 1.8 makes the same power, but has a turbo; in comparison, a similarly size naturally aspirate engine would have to be a revver to make that kind of power, and it would be low on torque. There are far more embarrassing engines in the US's history. As I recall, the last Mustang V6 was 3.8L and only made 190bhp.
Besides one static Celica, I don't think I've ever seen a Toyota on Top Gear.
Quote from: NACar on November 11, 2007, 10:51:45 AM
You cannot compare the process of developing a $40,000 Aston Martin engine to the engine in a Hyundai that doesn't even cost $30,000 all together. There's nothing particularly "lackluster" about the 4-cylinder engines that Hyundai uses, either.
The 163-hp 2.4L engine in the Sonata makes 67.9-hp/liter, while, the 300-hp 4.6L engine in a Mustang GT, for example, only manages 65.2-hp/liter - and I'm sure you wouldn't dare to call the Mustang engine "lackluster". Granted, the Sonata's 2.4L is not exclusivly a Hyundai design, but I think you get the point.
There's more to an engine than specific output, you know that.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 11, 2007, 10:53:39 AM
When Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear that GM's 2.4L Ecotec only made 170 hp everyone in the studio laughed. :nutty:
I have a 7 liter engine that at present only makes 180HP...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2007, 03:35:11 PM
I have a 7 liter engine that at present only makes 180HP...
You used to have a 2 liter engine that made 240 hp. :cry:
Quote from: Raghavan on November 11, 2007, 03:35:54 PM
You used to have a 2 liter engine that made 240 hp. :cry:
The 2 liter I now have probably could be rated at around 170-175, and I once had an 8.2 liter that also made 240.
That's OK, because when all is said and done I'll have enough torque to twist an oak tree like a wet rag.
Quote from: Raza on November 10, 2007, 08:32:25 PM
I'm sure 93JC can clarify, but I do believe that the Aston V12 is not basically two Duratecs grafted together.
No, it is. Same bore and stroke, same bore spacings, etc.
It's not a bad thing.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2007, 03:35:11 PM
I have a 7 liter engine that at present only makes 180HP...
I have a 3.5L with HIGH OUTPUTS YO and at least 250 horsepower! Me > j00
You do realize that that's horsepower at the crank, right? It's not at the wheel.
Quote from: Raza on November 11, 2007, 12:26:20 PM
American cars are an easy target, and 170bhp out of 2.4 liters isn't extraordinary either way, without forced induction. My 1.8 makes the same power, but has a turbo; in comparison, a similarly size naturally aspirate engine would have to be a revver to make that kind of power, and it would be low on torque. There are far more embarrassing engines in the US's history. As I recall, the last Mustang V6 was 3.8L and only made 190bhp.
Besides one static Celica, I don't think I've ever seen a Toyota on Top Gear.
I believe they are quite fond of driving Toyota Aygos (Aygoes?) into each other.
Quote from: 93JC on November 11, 2007, 06:39:34 PM
No, it is. Same bore and stroke, same bore spacings, etc.
It's not a bad thing.
Sharing geometries does not mean it's a literally a pair of Duratecs stuck together. If it were truly a pair of Duratecs, one could conceivably exchange many parts between the two (pistons, con-rods, valves), and that's not the case.
Obviously there's more to it than simply casting an extra set of six cylinders. Even so, the pistons, con-rods and valves off a 2.8 V6 out of a Citation won't fit a 3400 in a Lumina LTZ, but that doesn't mean they're not related engines.
Quote from: CJ on November 11, 2007, 06:44:29 PM
You do realize that that's horsepower at the crank, right? It's not at the wheel.
I don't see how that's relevant. I think they were both talking about crank horsepower, which is the standard measure of horsepower.
I'm impressed.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/17/new-york-08-preview-more-hyundai-genesis-coupe-pics-come-onlin/
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/genesiscoupe_56_opt.jpg)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/10_hyungencpe_1280_009.jpg)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/genesiscoupe_461a.jpg)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/10_hyungencpe_1280_007.jpg)
Looks quite a bit bigger than the current car. Is it?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 17, 2008, 09:12:10 AM
Looks quite a bit bigger than the current car. Is it?
Current car? The Tiburon? If so, yes. This is more in the leauge of the G35.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 17, 2008, 09:12:10 AM
Looks quite a bit bigger than the current car. Is it?
The current Genesis?
No, the current Hyundai Coupe I meant.
I can see the Infiniti resemblance, actually.
I LOVE IT! And way to post this before I do, 2o6. I thought I was Mr. Hyundai.
(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0317/10.hyundai.genesiscoupe.drift.500.jpg)
Nice!
Quote from: CJ on March 17, 2008, 11:23:14 AM
(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0317/10.hyundai.genesiscoupe.drift.500.jpg)
Nice!
(http://mitsuru-1029.cocolog-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/21/nissan_skyline_coupe_prototype3.jpg)
The Hyundai ok but I know which I would rather have.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 17, 2008, 11:32:17 AM
The Hyundai ok but I know which I would rather have.
For the money I would rather have the Hyundai.
I'll take the Flying H. I just don't like the G37 anymore. Not since I drove a new G35. The steering is just way to heavy. It was overly stiff off center. So bizarre. And the brake pedal did not inspire confidence. Our Accord has better pedal feel.
I like this very much, but it has some real clear Nissan/Infiniti and Lexus styling similarities (overall shape- G37, back half- Altima Coupe, front- IS).
Quote from: CJ on March 17, 2008, 11:37:01 AM
I'll take the Flying H. I just don't like the G37 anymore. Not since I drove a new G35. The steering is just way to heavy. It was overly stiff off center. So bizarre. And the brake pedal did not inspire confidence. Our Accord has better pedal feel.
You don't like the G37 coupe because you drove a G35?
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on March 17, 2008, 01:17:13 PM
You don't like the G37 coupe because you drove a G35?
If the G35 is any indication, then no, I don't like the G37.
I like it.
It looks like a fucked-up Altima Coupe.
FWIW, I love the G37.
Except the Altima coupe is horrendously ugly, and this isn't.
Quote from: CJ on March 17, 2008, 01:37:46 PM
If the G35 is any indication, then no, I don't like the G37.
It's not. I have (Dad's considering a G35/37/C-class), and the 37 has much more responsive steering feedback than the G35. More like the 350Z, but not quite as quick off-centre. I was driving the sport package, don't know what the standard version is like. From what I've heard, they don't order many "non-sport" versions.
Quote from: FordSVT on March 17, 2008, 02:59:56 PM
It's not. I have (Dad's considering a G35/37/C-class), and the 37 has much more responsive steering feedback than the G35. More like the 350Z, but not quite as quick off-centre. I was driving the sport package, don't know what the standard version is like. From what I've heard, they don't order many "non-sport" versions.
That's good. It was just so quick off center, it was scary. Just a tiny little turn to the left and you've overshot your turn.
Quote from: CJ on March 17, 2008, 03:45:20 PM
That's good. It was just so quick off center, it was scary. Just a tiny little turn to the left and you've overshot your turn.
Maybe you're just too used to driving cars with slow steering ratios and response.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 17, 2008, 11:15:52 AM
No, the current Hyundai Coupe I meant.
I can see the Infiniti resemblance, actually.
Word is that this won't be replacing the current coupe (Tiburon in America) but rather will be a second coupe entry in their lineup positioned above the current FWD coupe. Thus, being all new there is no "current" model.
I kind of like it; the grille's too small though.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=11960.msg777161#msg777161 date=1205797852
I kind of like it; the grille's too small though.
I was thinking the same thing.
Yeah me too. Kinda messes up what is otherwise a very good looking coupe.