Under 2500USD.
I like it.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/10/video-live-reveal-of-tata-nano-plus-more-pics
I like the interior.
The exterior, however, is crap. It's way too tall and narrow and those wheels are straight off of a ride on lawn mower. It looks dangerously tipsy, more of a golf cart than a car.
Quote from: Raghavan on January 10, 2008, 06:27:24 PM
I like the interior.
The exterior, however, is crap. It's way too tall and narrow and those wheels are straight off of a ride on lawn mower. It looks dangerously tipsy, more of a golf cart than a car.
It does look taller than it is long...
This has less power than a fully loaded lawn mower.
Quote from: CJ on January 10, 2008, 06:29:54 PM
This has less power than a fully loaded lawn mower.
So? It's not for you. Also, The Loremo LS has 20HP.
4 speed manual. :lol:
Hey, at least it's RWD! :tounge:
Your point being....?
Quote from: CJ on January 10, 2008, 06:35:09 PM
Your point being....?
Cars today have unnecessary power.
Quote from: 1o7 on January 10, 2008, 06:35:50 PM
Cars today have unnecessary power.
This car wouldn't survive in the US... you'd need at least 75 hp.
Wow, the interior is nowhere near as craptacular as I suspected it would be.
Quote from: 93JC on January 10, 2008, 06:41:41 PM
Wow, the interior is nowhere near as craptacular as I suspected it would be.
Same here, but those materials would make the interior of 280Z's Dakota look spectacular. :lol:
The car looks like an egg.
BTW, any engine pics?
Quote from: 1o7 on January 10, 2008, 06:35:50 PM
Cars today have unnecessary power.
But 33 HP is not nearly enough for the US.
Quote from: Raghavan on January 10, 2008, 06:50:14 PM
BTW, any engine pics?
I bet it's the size of your fist.
Hells yes!
Quote from: CJ on January 10, 2008, 06:57:58 PM
But 33 HP is not nearly enough for the US.
With Low enough Weight, It could work.
The Euro Spec Model will likely have more power....Considering this Car is Kei Sized, 64 HP is plenty. Keis can do 0-60 in 10 seconds.
Can't wait for the Jaguar Nano, with all these revolutionary new design features!
Quote from: 1o7 on January 10, 2008, 07:22:58 PM
With Low enough Weight, It could work.
The Euro Spec Model will likely have more power....Considering this Car is Kei Sized, 64 HP is plenty. Keis can do 0-60 in 10 seconds.
Stop pretending like you actually know things. ;)
Quote from: TheIntrepid on January 10, 2008, 07:44:42 PM
Stop pretending like you actually know things. ;)
Your Mom knows things.
Quote from: 1o7 on January 10, 2008, 07:47:14 PM
Your Mom knows things.
She's a PhD. She damn well better.
Quote from: 1o7 on January 10, 2008, 07:22:58 PM
With Low enough Weight, It could work.
The Euro Spec Model will likely have more power....Considering this Car is Kei Sized, 64 HP is plenty. Keis can do 0-60 in 10 seconds.
Have you ever even ridden in a Maruti 800? It has 34 hp, and it's a dog. Seriously. That would be a road hazard in the US and the Nano is about the same size and weight.
BTW, I can't believe the 800 costs more than the Nano. The 800 has been unchanged for about a quarter of a century.
Grade-A POS.
Quote from: Raghavan on January 10, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
Have you ever even ridden in a Maruti 800? It has 34 hp, and it's a dog. Seriously. That would be a road hazard in the US and the Nano is about the same size and weight.
BTW, I can't believe the 800 costs more than the Nano. The 800 has been unchanged for about a quarter of a century.
Grade-A POS.
About 10 years. Last design was 1997-1998. Still, only cosmetic changes.
I was thinking of the 800 too.
Quote from: Raghavan on January 10, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
Have you ever even ridden in a Maruti 800? It has 34 hp, and it's a dog. Seriously. That would be a road hazard in the US and the Nano is about the same size and weight.
BTW, I can't believe the 800 costs more than the Nano. The 800 has been unchanged for about a quarter of a century.
Grade-A POS.
Kei Sized. Euro Export. 60 ish HP.
Anyways.....NEV possibly?
Quote from: TheIntrepid on January 10, 2008, 08:01:14 PM
About 10 years. Last design was 1997-1998. Still, only cosmetic changes.
I was thinking of the 800 too.
The chassis and drivetrain are all the same. All the changes have been minor cosmetic ones.
Quote from: Raghavan on January 10, 2008, 08:10:12 PM
The chassis and drivetrain are all the same. All the changes have been minor cosmetic ones.
Yeah I said that. Only cosmetic changes, and even those, 10 years ago.
Quote from: Raghavan on January 10, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
Have you ever even ridden in a Maruti 800? It has 34 hp, and it's a dog. Seriously. That would be a road hazard in the US and the Nano is about the same size and weight.
BTW, I can't believe the 800 costs more than the Nano. The 800 has been unchanged for about a quarter of a century.
Grade-A POS.
They dont need cars to morph every 5 years. We dont either, we just think we do.
Quote from: Fire It Up on January 10, 2008, 09:22:12 PM
They dont need cars to morph every 5 years. We dont either, we just think we do.
Ok, then can you explain why a 25 year old turd costs more than one of these new cars that match it in size and power ouput but probably have better quality and interiors?
I prefer big Tatas. :huh:
Quote from: 1o7 on January 10, 2008, 06:09:00 PM
Under 2500USD.
I like it.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/10/video-live-reveal-of-tata-nano-plus-more-pics
What the hell is with you liking all these shitty Asian cars?
Whatever it may be, it has managed to become one of the lead news stories in Australia, and that's no mean feat.
Quote from: 93JC on January 10, 2008, 06:41:41 PM
Wow, the interior is nowhere near as craptacular as I suspected it would be.
really? i thought the interior was a bit too basic, but then they are only charging 1-lakh for it.
i really am thinking of getting one, and the scooter shitting the bed again last night made me wish it was already launched here.
Can't believe no one has mentioned this yet:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/business/worldbusiness/08indiacar.html
QuoteTata chose wheel bearings that are strong enough to drive the car up to 45 miles an hour, but they will wear quickly above that speed, reducing the car?s life span but not threatening consumer safety, according to Mr. Taneja. The car?s top speed is 75 miles an hour.
The NY Times article was written by a monkey.
The wheel bearings are strong enough to withstand sustained speeds of ~45 mph, yes.
The top speed is therefore ~45 mph, or ~75 km/h.
Idiots...
Quote from: 93JC on January 11, 2008, 10:24:54 AM
The NY Times article was written by a monkey.
The wheel bearings are strong enough to withstand sustained speeds of ~45 mph, yes.
The top speed is therefore ~45 mph, or ~75 km/h.
Idiots...
no, you are reading it wrong. as i understand it, they cheaped out on the bearings by putting ones that are good for 45mph but above that, their wear increases, but the real top speed of the car is 75mph.
Quote from: heelntoe on January 11, 2008, 10:48:46 AM
no, you are reading it wrong. as i understand it, they cheaped out on the bearings by putting ones that are good for 45mph but above that, their wear increases, but the real top speed of the car is 75mph.
With or without wheels?
This car is taking frugality to a whole new level. It's the dollar store industry of automotive companies. I'm staying away from this one.
Quote from: Northlands on January 11, 2008, 11:11:26 PM
This car is taking frugality to a whole new level. It's the dollar store industry of automotive companies. I'm staying away from this one.
Not a new level, but a very old level: the same level that produced such vehicles as the Kleinschnittger, Goggomobil, Kabinenroller, Isetta, and even arguably the Fiat 500 and the Beetle.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2008, 05:39:46 PM
With or without wheels?
huh?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2008, 12:27:56 AM
Not a new level, but a very old level: the same level that produced such vehicles as the Kleinschnittger, Goggomobil, Kabinenroller, Isetta, and even arguably the Fiat 500 and the Beetle.
exactly!
What happens to a car when a wheel bearing fails?
Quote from: Tave on January 12, 2008, 07:31:43 AM
What happens to a car when a wheel bearing fails?
it comes to a grinding halt? i've ridden motorcycles with bad bearings and they made squeaky noises regardless of speed.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2008, 12:27:56 AM
Not a new level, but a very old level: the same level that produced such vehicles as the Kleinschnittger, Goggomobil, Kabinenroller, Isetta, and even arguably the Fiat 500 and the Beetle.
I guess I never thought of it that way. What I will be interested in, is how this will hold up against its historical counterparts. At $2500 , it still almost seems like its disposable. I guess the stigma of where it's made is leading me to worry about the build quality of said machine. What I can remember of the Beetle ( which was already around for many years after I discovered them ) was what they lacked in reliability, they gained in ease of repair.
Quote from: Northlands on January 12, 2008, 01:48:39 PM
I guess I never thought of it that way. What I will be interested in, is how this will hold up against its historical counterparts. At $2500 , it still almost seems like its disposable. I guess the stigma of where it's made is leading me to worry about the build quality of said machine. What I can remember of the Beetle ( which was already around for many years after I discovered them ) was what they lacked in reliability, they gained in ease of repair.
That's why this Tata uses simple components.
Disposable to us, but affordable to the indian people.
Quote from: Tave on January 12, 2008, 07:31:43 AM
What happens to a car when a wheel bearing fails?
On cars like this: the wheel falls off
Quote from: heelntoe on January 12, 2008, 07:22:56 AM
huh?
The car can power itself to 75 MPH or so: yet the manufacturer does not reccomend spinning the wheels faster than 45 MPH out of fear of premature bearing failure:
Which begs the question: When you reach 75 MPH, will you still have wheels or not?
75mph? Whoa, I want one now.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2008, 04:04:52 PM
The car can power itself to 75 MPH or so: yet the manufacturer does not reccomend spinning the wheels faster than 45 MPH out of fear of premature bearing failure:
Which begs the question: When you reach 75 MPH, will you still have wheels or not?
ah, had a dumb moment there. :lol:
I kinda knew there will be a Nano thread here and there will be 'concerns' like these:
1) it is too small
2) it is underpowered
3) top speed is too low
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Now I am not about to defend an untested product but I would say that overseas guys, let the Indians accept it at first! It is NOT designed for the US! why does every car have to be designed for the US in some of your minds!
Think about a country where 3.5 times the population of USA is crammed into an area which is about 2.5 times smaller. Where most people don't drive to work. Where parking is such a hassle that would make NYC look like Queensland. Where most people drive 2 wheelers but are slowly getting richer. They typically buy a two wheeler that costs 50-60K INR. This is designed for that two wheeler owner so that s/he can have a roof on their head in the rain if they step up to a 100K INR. Considering that the price was the biggest factor in its design, it seems like they have done a great job.
No, sorry spinners and enthusiasts, you will hardly find a place in India where you can do 75MPH! I once drove a Maruti (Suzuki) Esteem in a mid-level city there. It was smaller than the Esteem they had in the US but it was still a sedan. After a while I was sweating even though it had AC. I felt like I am maneuvering a tank amongst all the rickshaws, bicycle, three wheeler, and two wheeler traffic. It was such a chore. And that car cost 5 times the Nano. I don;t think most drivers in the city ever do even 45MPH. The max I did on the interstates there was 65-70MPH and this car is not even designed for those drives. The tiny wheels show that. I just hope they can withstand the potholes. That country needs this car. With emissions lower than or equal to the current two-wheelers, the environment needs this car. Imagine the population that - which can now afford a car - driving so many of these....imagine the emissions! The carbon emitted there will eventually affect the people everywhere in the world. So countries with loads of people like India and China need cars with lower carbon footprints. Also remember the price of gas they pay there is about $4.75 a gallon. And those are not rich people.
The other day I took my Accord for an oil change. They lifted it up and while looking at it from the bottom I realized how big and wide my car is. And most of the time I drive alone! I could have done better...now only if they sold Fits with a center console! :lol:
Quote from: Northlands on January 12, 2008, 01:48:39 PM
What I will be interested in, is how this will hold up against its historical counterparts. At $2500 , it still almost seems like its disposable. I guess the stigma of where it's made is leading me to worry about the build quality of said machine. What I can remember of the Beetle ( which was already around for many years after I discovered them ) was what they lacked in reliability, they gained in ease of repair.
Yup, wait and see. No manufacturer starts off with great quality cars first up, so let them work on the kinks. They are beginners. I am just happy they are not carbon copying other manufacturers' cars, which is just disgusting.