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Title: Roewe
Post by: 2o6 on January 25, 2008, 04:38:38 PM
Granted, still a mule/preproduction model, but I'm really impressed with this. The Chinese could potentially turn rover/mg around.

http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/25/roewe-550-interior-shots/
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 93JC on January 25, 2008, 06:32:09 PM
Potentially turn Rover/MG around? Buddy, Rover and MG are GONE. They're dead, they're not coming back. There is no 'turning them around'.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 93JC on January 25, 2008, 06:36:53 PM
This rehash is a slap in the face to what little credibility Rover and MG had left.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on January 25, 2008, 06:37:34 PM
Thing is, if rover would have done this, they'd still be here today.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: TheIntrepid on January 25, 2008, 08:30:43 PM
(http://www.carspin.net/forums/Themes/rt_smf_versatility/images/english/new_topic.gif)

Stop pushing this button.

Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Raza on January 25, 2008, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: 93JC on January 25, 2008, 06:32:09 PM
Potentially turn Rover/MG around? Buddy, Rover and MG are GONE. They're dead, they're not coming back. There is no 'turning them around'.

MG's still around, under Chinese ownership.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Payman on January 25, 2008, 09:01:25 PM
Yep. All you need is ownership of the name. That's where the value lies. Look at Bugatti and Maybach. They were once "dead" as well.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: TheIntrepid on January 25, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
All those years ago, was Maybach owned by Mercedes then too?
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 93JC on January 25, 2008, 09:20:12 PM
Quote from: Raza  on January 25, 2008, 08:58:35 PM
MG's still around, under Chinese ownership.

I meant in spirit. In spirit Jaguar has never ceased to exist, even hough they went through multiple owners.

MG? MG is gone, it's just some crappy Chinese outfit's piece of property.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on January 25, 2008, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: 93JC on January 25, 2008, 09:20:12 PM
I meant in spirit. In spirit Jaguar has never ceased to exist, even hough they went through multiple owners.

MG? MG is gone, it's just some crappy Chinese outfit's piece of property.

How? Right now, they seem to be turning it around....
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: CJ on January 25, 2008, 10:56:07 PM
MG is dead.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Raza on January 25, 2008, 11:48:14 PM
Quote from: 93JC on January 25, 2008, 09:20:12 PM
I meant in spirit. In spirit Jaguar has never ceased to exist, even hough they went through multiple owners.

MG? MG is gone, it's just some crappy Chinese outfit's piece of property.

Well, like MG, they're selling the same old shit.  Isn't that just like MG's spirit? 
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on January 26, 2008, 04:01:05 PM
Quote from: CJ on January 25, 2008, 10:56:07 PM
MG is dead.


It's SAIC owned.


----------------


SAIC/(and other company I can't think of) seem to be doing a great job. They're not luxury cars anymore, they know this. The 550 is more or less going to be competing with the camry. I think these rehashes of MG/Rover will end when SAIC sees that Roewe is profitable and then they'll start new development.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 26, 2008, 04:09:44 PM
The gear selector looks horrible. The rest of the interior isn't much better either.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: CJ on January 26, 2008, 05:22:12 PM
WHY IS THIS IN LUXURY?
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on January 26, 2008, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: CJ on January 26, 2008, 05:22:12 PM
WHY IS THIS IN LUXURY?


Roewe is trying to be a semi-premium marque. (At least in china)
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: TheIntrepid on January 26, 2008, 08:36:14 PM
Semi-premium in China != luxury here.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: JYODER240 on January 26, 2008, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on January 25, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
All those years ago, was Maybach owned by Mercedes then too?

I think so but I'm not positive.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 850CSi on January 26, 2008, 11:34:53 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on January 26, 2008, 07:15:05 PM

Roewe is trying to be a semi-premium marque. (At least in china)

The key word being Semi. If most WVs don't belong in LT, Roewe sure as hell doesn't.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: cawimmer430 on January 27, 2008, 02:57:37 AM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 26, 2008, 04:09:44 PM
The gear selector looks horrible. The rest of the interior isn't much better either.

+1

Interior looks nothing special too me. The materials try to look "fancy" but they just FAIL to impress.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: omicron on January 27, 2008, 10:53:48 PM
What a frightful mess. What a shame that Rover was beaten, raped, and had its lunch money stolen in its final years.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Yawn on January 28, 2008, 07:49:03 AM
I saw an article that they were going to build a plant in Oklahoma City to build the new roadster...
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: omicron on January 28, 2008, 08:20:51 AM
The last of the great Rovers was the P6 series. I've long wanted a 3500 - a crisp little tourer if ever there was one. The SD1 series was unfortunately strangled by emissions laws introduced to Australia in 1976, and the shocking reliability of early cars tarnished the brand beyond repair. Not only that, magazine reports of the era called the new for '78 Holden Commodore a better-handling, better-riding and better-value car for half the price of an SD1.

A shame.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: SVT_Power on January 28, 2008, 09:34:08 AM
I dunno about you guys but this is by far the best chinese interior i've ever seen. By a long shot too. I wouldn't mind having this interior :huh:
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: TheIntrepid on January 28, 2008, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: M_power on January 28, 2008, 09:34:08 AM
I dunno about you guys but this is by far the best chinese interior i've ever seen. By a long shot too. I wouldn't mind having this interior :huh:

Racial bias
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 28, 2008, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on January 28, 2008, 12:18:32 PM
Racial bias
Would Ed be masturbating to a pic of a Hyundai interior then? :huh:
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: TheIntrepid on January 28, 2008, 01:16:03 PM
They're all the same. Aznz, yo.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on March 05, 2008, 07:26:07 PM
More Pics. It seems to be a great Lexus ES competitor.

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/550-upclose2.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/red-roewe.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/red-roewe.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/550-upclose4.jpg)
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 05, 2008, 07:30:04 PM
Wow the front is so fugly.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on March 05, 2008, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on March 05, 2008, 07:30:04 PM
Wow the front is so fugly.


It's IMO better looking than the ES.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 05, 2008, 07:31:22 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on March 05, 2008, 07:30:51 PM

It's IMO better looking than the ES.
No it isn't.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on March 05, 2008, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on March 05, 2008, 07:31:22 PM
No it isn't.

IMO!!!! IN MY OPINION!!!!




Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 05, 2008, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on January 25, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
All those years ago, was Maybach owned by Mercedes then too?

No.

Wilhelm Maybach was the designer of many of the first cars built by Mercedes, however he left that firm in 1907.

Maybach entered into an agreement with Graf Zepellin (yes, the exploding balloon man) in 1921, and that company produced the Maybach car.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 05, 2008, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on March 05, 2008, 07:31:43 PM
IMO!!!! IN MY OPINION!!!!





Your opinion sucks.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on March 05, 2008, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on March 05, 2008, 07:42:38 PM
Your opinion sucks.


:cry:
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: nickdrinkwater on March 06, 2008, 01:01:46 AM
Seen that tail lamp design before?

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/550-upclose4.jpg)

(http://www.diseno-art.com/images_2/Citroen_C5_Airscape_concept_rear.jpg)
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: omicron on March 06, 2008, 01:14:34 AM
Oh my goodness; that car is hideous.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 06, 2008, 01:23:32 AM
Quote from: Raza  on January 25, 2008, 11:48:14 PM
Well, like MG, they're selling the same old shit.  Isn't that just like MG's spirit? 

Yep.

I've always felt that the MGB was a piece of shit.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: omicron on March 06, 2008, 01:27:06 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 06, 2008, 01:23:32 AM
Yep.

I've always felt that the MGB was a piece of shit.

You sods gave it the ground clearance of a Bronco and bumpers as elegant as Zsa Zsa Gabor in the morning.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Galaxy on March 06, 2008, 02:53:02 AM
Quote from: omicron on January 28, 2008, 08:20:51 AM
The last of the great Rovers was the P6 series.

I think the Rover 75 was a nice car.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on March 06, 2008, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 06, 2008, 01:01:46 AM
Seen that tail lamp design before?

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/550-upclose4.jpg)

(http://www.diseno-art.com/images_2/Citroen_C5_Airscape_concept_rear.jpg)


The Roewe 550 was concieved before the C-Metissse. (C5)
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: nickdrinkwater on March 06, 2008, 07:49:08 AM
You sure about that?  The C5 is already on the road.  You said this car is a preproduction model/mule (do you know which?) 
I doubt the similarity is a coincidence.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: omicron on March 06, 2008, 07:57:27 AM
Quote from: Galaxy on March 06, 2008, 02:53:02 AM
I think the Rover 75 was a nice car.

Nice, yes, but not great.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: the Teuton on March 06, 2008, 09:04:08 AM
That is one ugly car.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Vinsanity on March 06, 2008, 12:09:36 PM
It looks like it could be made by Hyundai or Saturn.

Which I guess is an improvement over all the other Chinese cars anyways.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: cawimmer430 on March 07, 2008, 12:44:54 AM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on January 25, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
All those years ago, was Maybach owned by Mercedes then too?

No. Maybach was an independent luxury manufacturer that actually competed against Mercedes-Benz in the 1930s and early 1940s. The only connection Mercedes has with Maybach is that the founder of Maybach, Wilhelm Maybach, once worked for Daimler-Benz where he perfected the carburator.  :ohyeah:

I suppose for the Maybach project MB bought the name and rights. Not sure about that...
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: 2o6 on March 07, 2008, 04:28:32 PM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 06, 2008, 07:49:08 AM
You sure about that?  The C5 is already on the road.  You said this car is a preproduction model/mule (do you know which?) 
I doubt the similarity is a coincidence.


The Roewe 550 Mules/Spy Shots came before pics of the C5 even surfaced. This is actually a Preproduction Model with some tape and badgeless. The Roewe is actually an Interpretation of the Roewe W2 Concept.

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/another_roewe.jpg)
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 07, 2008, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 07, 2008, 12:44:54 AM
... Wilhelm Maybach, once worked for Daimler-Benz where he perfected the carburator...  :ohyeah:


Silly kraut.

Quadrajet.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: akuma_supreme on March 07, 2008, 06:36:10 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 06, 2008, 01:23:32 AM
Yep.

I've always felt that the MGB was a piece of shit.

On this note, I think we need to clarify that it was the British who killed MG.  I present the following evidence:

The MG Metro
(http://www.philseed.com/images/mgmetro01.JPG)

The MG Montego- 
(http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cambs.mgoc/images4/turbox2.jpg)

The MG Maestro- and why the fuck does British car advertising always featuring architects in their marketing material?  This is like the third ad from Britain I've seen with an architect in it.  Why should we care what an architect drives?
(http://www.philseed.com/images/mgmaestro02.jpg)


Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 07, 2008, 06:40:43 PM
What makes him an architect?
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: akuma_supreme on March 07, 2008, 06:42:54 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 07, 2008, 06:40:43 PM
What makes him an architect?

Maybe I jumped to conclusions.  I assumed those were plan drawings in his hand.  Sorry, I've just been too traumatized by too many other British car ads featuring architects in them.   :tounge:
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 07, 2008, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: akuma_supreme on March 07, 2008, 06:42:54 PM
Maybe I jumped to conclusions.  I assumed those were plan drawings in his hand.  Sorry, I've just been too traumatized by too many other British car ads featuring architects in them.   :tounge:

S'oK. I was wondering if there was some sort of universal architectural dress code I was unaware of.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: omicron on March 07, 2008, 11:49:38 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 07, 2008, 06:43:52 PM
S'oK. I was wondering if there was some sort of universal architectural dress code I was unaware of.

(http://www.philseed.com/images/mgmaestro02.jpg)

Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: nickdrinkwater on March 08, 2008, 03:53:59 AM
Metro! :rockon:

We had two those.  Not MGs though.
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: akuma_supreme on March 08, 2008, 07:23:50 PM
I wonder if MG's new owners has any plans to resurrect any of these "heritage" models.   :tounge:
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: Shift507 on March 09, 2008, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 06, 2008, 01:01:46 AM
Seen that tail lamp design before?

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/550-upclose4.jpg)


What I first thought of was this.

(http://www.vicky.in/straightfrmtheheart/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/rear3.jpg)
Title: Re: Roewe 550
Post by: CJ on March 09, 2008, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: Shift507 on March 09, 2008, 12:14:35 AM
What I first thought of was this.

(http://www.vicky.in/straightfrmtheheart/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/rear3.jpg)


Me too...
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: 2o6 on April 15, 2008, 02:42:22 PM
General Roewe Thread.


New Roewe 550 Interior Shots

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe-550-int-renda.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe-550-int-rend.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe-550-int-rendb.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/red-roewe11.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/red-roewe2.jpg)
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 15, 2008, 02:53:01 PM
Interior isn't bad, at least visually. The Exterior is bland and boring, and that key looks like it's too thick to fit in a jeans pocket.
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: Galaxy on April 15, 2008, 02:53:20 PM
Well it is a step (not leap) in the right direction in terms of exterior and interior design but that instrumentation panel has to go.
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: Cookie Monster on April 15, 2008, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on April 15, 2008, 02:53:20 PM
Well it is a step (not leap) in the right direction in terms of ecterior and interior design but that instrumentation panel has to go.
+1
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: nickdrinkwater on April 16, 2008, 02:07:16 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on April 15, 2008, 02:42:22 PM
General Roewe Thread.


New Roewe 550 Interior Shots

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe-550-int-renda.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe-550-int-rend.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe-550-int-rendb.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/red-roewe11.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/red-roewe2.jpg)

Key = VW
C-pillar = Lexus IS
Rear lights = Citroen
Instrumental panel = awful
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: ThunderCharger on April 16, 2008, 12:39:13 PM
The 550, is kinda bland. Then interior doesn't look bad, but the instrument panel looks a little off.
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: omicron on April 17, 2008, 12:15:40 AM
I simply could not drive around in a car with that grille and those headlights, but the rest of the exterior isn't bad at all. I might have some kind of epileptic fit every time I attempted to check my speed or see what had set off a cavalcade of bing-binging, but the rest of the interior appears quite nice.
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: 2o6 on April 17, 2008, 07:21:33 PM
Official Photos
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550-bodya.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550-bodyb.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550-body.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550-body-int.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550-body-inta.jpg)
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/17/beijing-08-preview-roewe-550-unveiled-and-its-impressive/
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/17/the-roewe-550-unmasked-uncovered-inside-and-out/
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: nickdrinkwater on April 18, 2008, 06:24:21 AM
The interior looks very nice.

Will they sell this in Europe?
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: Galaxy on April 18, 2008, 06:27:13 AM
The headlights bother me and the instrument cluster bothers me, other then that this it probably the most competent chinese offering to date.
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: Shift507 on April 21, 2008, 02:01:23 AM
If the front is made to resemble more the older Laguna and if they get rid of the Honda Civic-esque instrumentation (just IMO). But I'm still sad that MG now means Modern Gentleman instead of Morris Garages  :(
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: 2o6 on June 12, 2008, 01:28:50 PM
July 19, The 550 Will be on sale.


Is it bad to say I want this car?

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/550-ext.jpg)

http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/06/11/roewe-550-july-19th-on-the-market/


Pics from the 2008 Beijing Auto Show.

(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550bj-l.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550-interiore.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550-interiorf.jpg)
(http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/roewe550-interior.jpg)
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: cozmik on June 12, 2008, 10:26:15 PM
It actually looks pretty decent to me. The interior is pretty heavily BMW influenced, and the exterior has a lot of many other cars in it, but over all, not bad. Exterior doesn't look like a copy of anything else. The instrument panel is a little odd, but is is unique at least. The interior materials, at least by the pictures, don't look bad. They look ok, really. By the pics, looks similar to most mainstream US vehicles (especially some of the newer GM interiors).

I have to wonder what the crash tests are like though, and what kind of power it has. Chinese cars definitely haven't done well with crash tests in the past.
Title: Re: Roewe
Post by: nickdrinkwater on June 13, 2008, 01:03:33 AM
That interior is straight out of a 3-Series, which is why it looks nice.  Exterior is a mix of IS, Passat, C5 and maybe a few other things.  I'd drive one, though.