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Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 12, 2005, 05:16:57 AM
Link (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=106352)

Sport Waggin'
By Dan Kahn
Date posted: 07-11-2005

Saab's newest wagon, the 2006 Saab 9-3 SportCombi, isn't going to set any sales records, and Saab knows it. Instead, the Swedish manufacturer, which is known for building fun-to-drive cars that are a little different than the typical BMW or Audi, hopes the wagon will introduce the brand to a younger demographic in California and the Northeast.

We think it will. The front-wheel-drive Saab 9-3 SportCombi packs performance, practicality and a load of safety gear in an attractive package. Plus it will cost thousands less than the Audi A4 Avant. Well-equipped four-cylinder models will start at $26,900, and a loaded 2.5 Aero will sticker at $32,900.

Not Just a 9-3 Sedan
The SportCombi is not just a 9-3 sedan with extra sheet metal. The car is all-new from the B-pillar back. The new roofline tapers down like the roof on the Dodge Magnum and the B- and C-pillars are blacked out to create a teardrop shape. We also like the way the standard Saab hockey stick swoosh is smoothly incorporated into the D-pillar.

Although the tailgate is made out of aluminum to keep weight gain to a minimum, Saab says the SportCombi is still 400 pounds heavier than its sedan counterpart. This certainly hinders the wagon's acceleration, but most of that mass is behind the rear wheels, which actually helps balance the weight distribution.

Saab also says the SportCombi's structure is 6-percent less rigid than the sedans, but it felt as tight as any sedan we've ever driven.

Gobbles Asphalt
Like the 9-3 sedan, the SportCombi rides on a MacPherson Strut front and four-link independent rear suspension. ReAxs, which is a passive rear steering system used on the 9-3 sedan, has also been carried over to the SportCombi. It allows the rear wheels to turn slightly when the car is thrown into a corner at high speed, increasing lateral grip and stability.

All SportCombis also come with traction and stability control, four-wheel antilock disc brakes, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution and 225/45R17 tires. Options on the Aero model include stiffer sport suspension and an 18-inch alloy wheel upgrade with R-compound 225-series tires.

We carved up a few Swedish back roads in an Aero model with a manual transmission, and the hunkered-down wagon gobbled up asphalt. The ride is sporty, but not jarring, the steering offers excellent feedback, and the ReAxs system works transparently to give the SportCombi a glued-to-the-ground feel in high-speed sweepers.

The Saab's brakes feel good, too. The pedal is firm yet progressive, nose dive is minimal, and we didn't detect any ABS vibration or brake fade over several repeated hard stops.

Swedish Muscle
Standard and midrange SportCombis come standard with a 2.0-liter turbocharged aluminum inline four that makes 210 horsepower and 221 pound-feet of torque.

The Aero, however, is powered by a modified version of Cadillac's all-aluminum 2.8-liter V6. If that sounds weird you've forgotten that Saab and Cadillac are both in GM's stable. Saab's engineers bolted a twin-scroll turbocharger to it, changed the pistons for added durability and revised the cylinder head design for improved heat resistance. As a result, the Saab makes 40 more horsepower than the Caddy (250 vs. 210).

The V6 also gets Saab's first dual exhaust, and the sound is pitch perfect.

While horsepower numbers impress your friends, torque is what you feel in the seat of your pants, and the V6 has lots of it. The engine pumps out 258 lb-ft from 2,000 to 4,500 rpm, which makes it a member of the flat torque curve club. Most amazing, however, is that the SportCombi puts that power to the pavement without any torque steer.

Two six-speed transmissions are available, a sport-shift automatic and a manual. Although the auto gearbox shifts were firm and precise, the manual transmission is much more entertaining despite its less-than-precise shifter.

The SportCombi feels fast. We don't doubt the company's claim of zero to 60 in the high 7s for the Aero. In comparison, we recently tested a 2005 Audi A4 Avant equipped with a 3.2-liter V6, and it ran zero to 60 in 7.9 seconds.

On the Inside
The SportCombi's interior is a study in Swedish minimalist design. Every surface is covered in leather or soft-touch material, and muted colors accented with occasional bits of brushed aluminum lend a subtle, classy look.

The Aero model has full power driver and passenger seats, as well as one-touch up and down windows on all four doors. Headroom is plentiful and the bolstered bucket seats are comfortable and supportive. There's also a full complement of front, head and side-impact airbags, which come standard.

In a rare concession to the lefties of the world, the SportCombi's rear hatch has handles on either side so it's easy to open for both right- and left-handed drivers. Open the hatch and the SportCombi offers 14.8 cubic feet of storage space with the backseat up, and 45 cubic feet with the 60/40-split rear bench seat folded flat.

Those numbers fall short when compared to the BMW 3 Series wagon, but the Bimmer is without the Saab's unique rear package tray, which incorporates a twin-floor system that folds up for two-level storage behind the backseat.

The Right Combi
In 1973 Saab introduced its first hatchback and called it the CombiCoupe. According to Saab, Combi meant the car offered the right combination of style and practicality. This fun-to-drive wagon not only takes its name from that little three-door, but also pays homage to that same solid combination.

The '06 SportCombi will hit dealerships in mid-September.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raza on July 12, 2005, 06:50:35 AM
This thing looks kick ass!
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 12, 2005, 07:00:50 AM
QuoteThis thing looks kick ass!
I agree...its one of the best looking wagons out there.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 12, 2005, 07:03:26 AM
Heres a review by Canadian Driver (http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/06sportcombi.htm)
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 12, 2005, 07:06:18 AM
(http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/images/06sportcombi_5.jpg)

Thats a nice interior B)

The RPM guage is very BMW-like though, IMO.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 93JC on July 12, 2005, 07:12:18 AM
I hate those clear taillights with a passion. They ruin an otherwise perfect car. That and the stupid name (get over yourselves Saab: it's just a wagon).
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 93JC on July 12, 2005, 07:13:34 AM
QuoteThe RPM guage
The tachometer... ?

:lol:  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 12, 2005, 07:21:09 AM
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QuoteThe RPM guage
The tachometer... ?

:lol:
I went to sleep very late last night :lol:  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 12, 2005, 07:21:54 AM
QuoteI hate those clear taillights with a passion. They ruin an otherwise perfect car. That and the stupid name (get over yourselves Saab: it's just a wagon).
I read in a canadian driver review that you (canadians) might not be getting the clear taillights.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 93JC on July 12, 2005, 07:31:09 AM
Really? Sweet!
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 93JC on July 12, 2005, 07:37:48 AM
They gonna call it 'Wagon' too?
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 12, 2005, 08:24:27 AM
QuoteThey gonna call it 'Wagon' too?
No, I think it will still be a Sport Combi ;)

Anyway, here is the canadian review:

Heres a review by Canadian Driver (http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/06sportcombi.htm)
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raza on July 12, 2005, 12:08:40 PM
Quote
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QuoteThe RPM guage
The tachometer... ?

:lol:
I went to sleep very late last night :lol:
Rev counter?  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 12, 2005, 12:14:57 PM
I would have liked to have seen the traditional Saab fastback, but this wagon certainly looks nice.

I love the 9-3, but for the price, there are many other better cars out there.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raghavan on July 12, 2005, 12:15:45 PM
the name and the taillights looks pretty fugly, but that steering wheel is the best that i've ever seen. :praise:
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raza on July 12, 2005, 12:44:49 PM
QuoteI would have liked to have seen the traditional Saab fastback, but this wagon certainly looks nice.

I love the 9-3, but for the price, there are many other better cars out there.
As far as front drivers go, no one makes them better than Saab.  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raghavan on July 12, 2005, 01:48:35 PM
do you think it's possible to steal that steering wheel?
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 12, 2005, 01:51:07 PM
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QuoteI would have liked to have seen the traditional Saab fastback, but this wagon certainly looks nice.

I love the 9-3, but for the price, there are many other better cars out there.
As far as front drivers go, no one makes them better than Saab.
Right, but for the price of a Saab you could go ahead and get a RWD sport sedan  such as a Bimmer 3er or G35.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 12, 2005, 02:02:05 PM
I'm sure they've improved since the 80's, but I wasn't impressed with my 9000 turbo. The brakes were so-so (My Z's brakes feel better), it torque steered, the acceleration was so-so, the shifter was very vague and rubbery (so rubbery that it literally squeeked), and it had a SOLID BEAM rear axle. It just felt bulky and soft. The engine leaked fluids and it had tons of electrical issues. The interior reminded me of a 80's GM car. Then of course, the transaxle died.

And yet...I miss that car. I kept the shifter ball as a keepsake. I want another Saab. :wub:  :rolleyes:
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 93JC on July 12, 2005, 03:23:30 PM
Quotethat steering wheel is the best that i've ever seen. :praise:
You have really bad taste then. ( ;) :P )

The plastic faux metal inserts on the steering wheel make it one of the tackiest steering wheels I've ever seen.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: ifcar on July 12, 2005, 03:29:31 PM
I don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raghavan on July 12, 2005, 04:20:52 PM
how is it tacky?
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 12, 2005, 07:58:24 PM
QuoteI don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Nope...you need good ol leather on the whole deal :praise:
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raghavan on July 12, 2005, 11:24:41 PM
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QuoteI don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Nope...you need good ol leather on the whole deal :praise:
i'd like the metal over the hwole leather...
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 13, 2005, 06:20:19 AM
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QuoteI don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Nope...you need good ol leather on the whole deal :praise:
i'd like the metal over the hwole leather...
Try gripping a metal steering wheel with sweaty palms.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: ifcar on July 13, 2005, 06:25:33 AM
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QuoteI don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Nope...you need good ol leather on the whole deal :praise:
i'd like the metal over the hwole leather...
Try gripping a metal steering wheel with sweaty palms.
Or on a hot day.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 13, 2005, 06:28:01 AM
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QuoteI don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Nope...you need good ol leather on the whole deal :praise:
i'd like the metal over the hwole leather...
Try gripping a metal steering wheel with sweaty palms.
Or on a hot day.
Or on a cold day for that matter...in any weather, your hands would be uncomfortable.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: 93JC on July 13, 2005, 08:11:15 AM
Quotehow is it tacky?
It's a pithy attempt at making it seem "sporty". It looks tacked on. It's gaudy.

And, as mentioned above, it negatively affects the driver's ability to steer.  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: cozmik on July 13, 2005, 11:44:44 AM
QuoteI hate those clear taillights with a passion. They ruin an otherwise perfect car. That and the stupid name (get over yourselves Saab: it's just a wagon).
The North American market will have red tail lights. The Saab USA web site has what they will look like.  :)  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: cozmik on July 13, 2005, 11:46:18 AM
Quote[IMG]

Thats a nice interior B)

The RPM guage is very BMW-like though, IMO.
Yep, those numbers with the needle in the middle that moves at points at the numbers depending on how fast the engine is spinning. Complete BMW rip off!   :P  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: ifcar on July 13, 2005, 12:05:47 PM
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QuoteI hate those clear taillights with a passion. They ruin an otherwise perfect car. That and the stupid name (get over yourselves Saab: it's just a wagon).
The North American market will have red tail lights. The Saab USA web site has what they will look like.  :)
http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/935/index.jsp (http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/935/index.jsp)

Interesting. I prefer it to the all-clear lights, but now it looks a bit too much like a V50.  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 13, 2005, 12:06:43 PM
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QuoteI hate those clear taillights with a passion. They ruin an otherwise perfect car. That and the stupid name (get over yourselves Saab: it's just a wagon).
The North American market will have red tail lights. The Saab USA web site has what they will look like.  :)
http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/935/index.jsp (http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/935/index.jsp)

Interesting. I prefer it to the all-clear lights, but now it looks a bit too much like a V50.
It does look a lot like a V50, but its still undeniable handsome.  I like both types of taillights.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Yoshi on July 13, 2005, 12:17:32 PM
CosmicSAAB,

Here's a Q for you. I'm looking into options to replace my wife's leased Volvo wagon when it comes up at the end of the year. The SportCombi looks wondeful, but thus far I've been leaning toward a Certified 95 Aero wagon.

Any thoughts? Pricing-wise the 95 is clearly a bargain wih 2002 going for 50% of what they cost new, but do you think that the SportCombi will offer enough advantages (though it is smaller) that it would be better to hold out?

I've got very little experience with Saabs.

Thanks
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: cozmik on July 13, 2005, 02:32:15 PM
QuoteCosmicSAAB,

Here's a Q for you. I'm looking into options to replace my wife's leased Volvo wagon when it comes up at the end of the year. The SportCombi looks wondeful, but thus far I've been leaning toward a Certified 95 Aero wagon.

Any thoughts? Pricing-wise the 95 is clearly a bargain wih 2002 going for 50% of what they cost new, but do you think that the SportCombi will offer enough advantages (though it is smaller) that it would be better to hold out?

I've got very little experience with Saabs.

Thanks
I have driven the 9-5 (including a wagon as a loaner once) and the 9-5 is a very nice car, and the Aero is quick. The main advantages you would get with a new SC would be better handling (which the 9-5 hardly lacks) and the ability to pick which options you would want. I can't say anything about reliability since the 9-3 is still new and all the reliability stats are from the first model years, which generally problematic, but have been especially rough for the 9-3. The 9-5 has generally been very reliable though. Either way it would be a good choice. You might also look into a new 9-5 as well, there are big rebates on them right now. It is possible it wouldn't be much more to get a new 9-5 Aero than it would a new SportCombi.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: TBR on July 13, 2005, 02:38:43 PM
J86's family has a '99-'00 9-5 Wagon, you might want to ask him about it if you ever catch him on.  
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2005, 05:41:30 PM
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QuoteI don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Nope...you need good ol leather on the whole deal :praise:
i'd like the metal over the hwole leather...
Try gripping a metal steering wheel with sweaty palms.
If you live anywhere with hot summers, gripping anything metal becomes a war--it's terrible.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: BMWDave on July 13, 2005, 05:42:28 PM
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QuoteI don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Nope...you need good ol leather on the whole deal :praise:
i'd like the metal over the hwole leather...
Try gripping a metal steering wheel with sweaty palms.
If you live anywhere with hot summers, gripping anything metal becomes a war--it's terrible.
Yup, it gets extremely hot and uncomfortable.
Title: First Drive: 2006 Saab SportCombi
Post by: Raghavan on July 14, 2005, 03:11:45 PM
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QuoteI don't think that metal or plastic metal-look trim is a good material for a steering wheel grip either.
Nope...you need good ol leather on the whole deal :praise:
i'd like the metal over the hwole leather...
Try gripping a metal steering wheel with sweaty palms.
If you live anywhere with hot summers, gripping anything metal becomes a war--it's terrible.
Yup, it gets extremely hot and uncomfortable.
well, i don't live anywhere too hot, so it's ok.