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Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: BMWDave on May 10, 2005, 04:57:14 AM
Should diesels be brought to the US?  

Give reasons for your thoughs against or pro.

EDIT:  Can the mods fix the topic-I accidentally hit the M instead of the N.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: ifcar on May 10, 2005, 05:15:37 AM
QuoteShould diesels be brought to the US?  

Give reasons for your thoughs against or pro.

EDIT:  Can the mods fix the topic-I accidentally hit the M instead of the N.
If I'm able to fix a thread title, I have no idea how to do it. Sorry.  :(  
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: Fire It Up on May 10, 2005, 09:03:26 AM
Uhhh...dont we have them already?  
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: NomisR on May 10, 2005, 11:36:57 AM
The current US fuel does not allow for the clean use of diesel fuel at this time.  They're not allowed in CA at least.  
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: Fire It Up on May 10, 2005, 03:11:54 PM
PLenty of diesels here.  
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: MX793 on May 10, 2005, 03:24:42 PM
QuoteThe current US fuel does not allow for the clean use of diesel fuel at this time.  They're not allowed in CA at least.
Diesel powered cars (not trucks) are not allowed in 5 states.  New York, California, Maine, Massachusetts and Vermont.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: 850CSi on May 10, 2005, 03:51:22 PM
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QuoteThe current US fuel does not allow for the clean use of diesel fuel at this time.  They're not allowed in CA at least.
Diesel powered cars (not trucks) are not allowed in 5 states.  New York, California, Maine, Massachusetts and Vermont.
That will change in 2006 when America will start to adopt cleaner low-sulfur diesel fuels similar to the European type.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: giant_mtb on May 10, 2005, 06:05:16 PM
I was pretty sure we had a lot of diesel cars and trucks in the US...hmm...  <_<   :lol:  
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: BMWDave on May 10, 2005, 07:50:13 PM
QuoteI was pretty sure we had a lot of diesel cars and trucks in the US...hmm...  <_<   :lol:
We do, but I mean selling them as mainstream models.  Like BMW bringing over the 530d and 535d and all its diesel models and MB bringing diesel models.  Yes, we have diesels, but only a very limited amount.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: Why? on May 11, 2005, 03:23:22 PM
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QuoteThe current US fuel does not allow for the clean use of diesel fuel at this time.  They're not allowed in CA at least.
Diesel powered cars (not trucks) are not allowed in 5 states.  New York, California, Maine, Massachusetts and Vermont.
That will change in 2006 when America will start to adopt cleaner low-sulfur diesel fuels similar to the European type.
The problem is the US has much stricter emission standards for diesels than Europe does.

Europe gives diesels a break, meaning that gas engines have much lower settings. In the US, that is not the case.

Plus the fact is now diesel is usually more expensive than even premium unleaded, and the engines themselves are more expensive as well. That is a hard selling point.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: BMWDave on May 11, 2005, 05:09:45 PM
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QuoteThe current US fuel does not allow for the clean use of diesel fuel at this time.? They're not allowed in CA at least.
Diesel powered cars (not trucks) are not allowed in 5 states.  New York, California, Maine, Massachusetts and Vermont.
That will change in 2006 when America will start to adopt cleaner low-sulfur diesel fuels similar to the European type.
The problem is the US has much stricter emission standards for diesels than Europe does.

Europe gives diesels a break, meaning that gas engines have much lower settings. In the US, that is not the case.

Plus the fact is now diesel is usually more expensive than even premium unleaded, and the engines themselves are more expensive as well. That is a hard selling point.
Why should diesel fuel be more expensive?  I mean isnt it supposed to be cheaper?  
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: Catman on May 11, 2005, 05:27:18 PM
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QuoteShould diesels be brought to the US? 

Give reasons for your thoughs against or pro.

EDIT:  Can the mods fix the topic-I accidentally hit the M instead of the N.
If I'm able to fix a thread title, I have no idea how to do it. Sorry.  :(
Bottom left hand corner there's a drop down box with some options, one of them is topic title.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: giant_mtb on May 11, 2005, 05:28:05 PM
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QuoteI was pretty sure we had a lot of diesel cars and trucks in the US...hmm...  <_<   :lol:
We do, but I mean selling them as mainstream models.  Like BMW bringing over the 530d and 535d and all its diesel models and MB bringing diesel models.  Yes, we have diesels, but only a very limited amount.
I think it'd be nice...but then I guess the gas stations around the country would have to spark up a diesel pump or two if it isn't there already...and that could take years for the majority of all the stations to get it..but I think it's a great idea...I sure wouldn't mind.  I love turbochargers and diesels...so why not?!
 :rockon:  
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: SargeMonkey on May 11, 2005, 09:59:02 PM
Oregon allows deisel cars :D  But There is not many here.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: TurboDan on May 12, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
Don't most gas stations have diesel pumps anyway?  I rarely see one that doesn't.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: MX793 on May 12, 2005, 11:08:43 AM
QuoteDon't most gas stations have diesel pumps anyway?  I rarely see one that doesn't.
Depends on where you are.  If you're in a suburban/urban area with no nearby truck routes, fewer stations carry diesel.  I drove past 4 stations on my way to the nearest mall and none of them had diesel.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: Why? on May 12, 2005, 02:29:27 PM
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QuoteThe current US fuel does not allow for the clean use of diesel fuel at this time.  They're not allowed in CA at least.
Diesel powered cars (not trucks) are not allowed in 5 states.  New York, California, Maine, Massachusetts and Vermont.
That will change in 2006 when America will start to adopt cleaner low-sulfur diesel fuels similar to the European type.
The problem is the US has much stricter emission standards for diesels than Europe does.

Europe gives diesels a break, meaning that gas engines have much lower settings. In the US, that is not the case.

Plus the fact is now diesel is usually more expensive than even premium unleaded, and the engines themselves are more expensive as well. That is a hard selling point.
Why should diesel fuel be more expensive?  I mean isnt it supposed to be cheaper?
It just is. I don't know why. I read somewhere that the demand for diesel is more than the very limited supply, at least in the US.

And it isn't suppose to be cheaper. It just usually has been in the US, because no one wants it.

In Europe, they specifically tax unleaded gasoline much more than diesel, that is why it is cheaper there.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: BMWDave on May 12, 2005, 03:48:52 PM
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QuoteThe current US fuel does not allow for the clean use of diesel fuel at this time.? They're not allowed in CA at least.
Diesel powered cars (not trucks) are not allowed in 5 states.  New York, California, Maine, Massachusetts and Vermont.
That will change in 2006 when America will start to adopt cleaner low-sulfur diesel fuels similar to the European type.
The problem is the US has much stricter emission standards for diesels than Europe does.

Europe gives diesels a break, meaning that gas engines have much lower settings. In the US, that is not the case.

Plus the fact is now diesel is usually more expensive than even premium unleaded, and the engines themselves are more expensive as well. That is a hard selling point.
Why should diesel fuel be more expensive?  I mean isnt it supposed to be cheaper?
It just is. I don't know why. I read somewhere that the demand for diesel is more than the very limited supply, at least in the US.

And it isn't suppose to be cheaper. It just usually has been in the US, because no one wants it.

In Europe, they specifically tax unleaded gasoline much more than diesel, that is why it is cheaper there.
I understand...I thought it was cheaper cause when I go to Europe all I see are diesels so I thought it was cheaper.
Title: The Big Diesel Question
Post by: TBR on May 13, 2005, 09:04:19 PM
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QuoteDon't most gas stations have diesel pumps anyway?  I rarely see one that doesn't.
Depends on where you are.  If you're in a suburban/urban area with no nearby truck routes, fewer stations carry diesel.  I drove past 4 stations on my way to the nearest mall and none of them had diesel.
Exactly, I live in a little down in Texas that just happens to be one a major route to Houston, so we have diesel pumps at every gas station that I can think of because of all the big trucks that come through (we also have a lot of diesel powered heavy duty trucks around).

As far as diesel cars go, I am a fan, but only if the manufacturers can produce them at a price where they make sense. That means that there can't be too much extra initial purchase price for the diesel engine. If a finiancial case can't be made, don't bother.