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Lamborghini planning two-wheel drive versions of Gallardo, Murcielago
In the weeks leading up to the 2008 Paris Motor Show, the rumor mill was spinning at full speed at the prospect of a new high-performance, rear-wheel drive Lamborghini supercar. Instead, we got the Estoque four-door sedan concept. However, the failure of Lamborghini to deliver pure driving performance at the Paris show doesn?t necessarily mean Lamborghini has given up on the idea.
According to AutoTelegraaf, at least two high-performance two-wheel drive Lamborghinis are on the way. The first will surface in 2009 and will be based on the company?s new Gallardo. To reflect its two-wheel drive layout, the new model will be called the LP560-2, but will also sport the Superleggera? Italian for ?superlight? ? nameplate. This is a divergence from the current Gallardo Superleggera, which does with Lamborghini?s all-wheel drive system.
Although the new Gallardo Superleggera will be down two drive wheels, it promises to up the car?s performance quotient. In tandem with an expected power bump, the Superleggera?s even lighter curb weight should mean a marked improvement in all categories of performance.
Following the release of the LP560-2, Lamborghini is planning on launching a two-wheel drive version of its Murcielago. Following the Gallardo?s new naming scheme, the new Murci will be dubbed the LP640-2. The new model won?t dawn the Superleggera nameplate, but it could wear the SV badge in production. The LP640-2 would shed at least 220 pounds compared to its all-wheel drive counterpart.
No official word from Lamborghini on when we can expect to two new supercars, but a concept version of the Murcielago could appear at March?s Geneva Motor Show.
Now who would want FWD Lamborghini's?
Quote from: thecarnut on December 18, 2008, 12:43:55 PM
Now who would want FWD Lamborghini's?
:banghead: I hope that's a typo.
Quote from: Tave on December 18, 2008, 01:17:30 PM
:banghead: I hope that's a typo.
'Twas a joke. ;)
Can't wait to see the Gallardo Superleggera!
Quote from: Tave on December 18, 2008, 01:17:30 PM
:banghead: I hope that's a typo.
The Estoque and Continental GT/Flying Spur are all based on an FWD Audi platform. Just an FYI.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 18, 2008, 02:08:38 PM
The Estoque and Continental GT/Flying Spur are all based on an FWD Audi platform. Just an FYI.
Well the Audi R8 is too.
Quote from: hotrodalex on December 18, 2008, 07:25:40 PM
Well the Audi R8 is too.
I thought the R8 was more closely related to the Gallardo, what with it being mid-engine and all.
Quote from: Vinsanity on December 18, 2008, 08:20:00 PM
I thought the R8 was more closely related to the Gallardo, what with it being mid-engine and all.
I think they meant that it uses Audi's AWD system, rather than the Lambo's. The R8 shares platforms with the Gallardo.
Well, when the LP560 came out with a -4, we knew that a -2 was bound to happen.
The Murcielago I did not see coming.
New dream car: Murcielago LP640-2 Roadster.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 18, 2008, 02:08:38 PM
The Continental GT/Flying Spur are all based on an FWD Audi platform. Just an FYI.
WRONG!
... based on a VW
car build on a FWD platform.
Quote from: AltinD on December 20, 2008, 03:46:51 PM
WRONG!
... based on a VW car build on a FWD platform.
The Phaeton is just a steel version of the aluminum Audi platform.
^^ Is not that simple. AUDI uses space frame while the platform of the Phaeton is conventional steel one.
However, obviously they started from the A8 D2 platform and adapted it but that doesn't make it the same platform.
For your info the current Audi A8 came out 6 months after the Phaeton (we're talking year 2002 here)
Quote from: Raza on December 18, 2008, 10:20:03 PM
Well, when the LP560 came out with a -4, we knew that a -2 was bound to happen.
The Murcielago I did not see coming.
New dream car: Murcielago LP640-2 Roadster.
Can't lose either way!
i'll put money on its not any faster then the AWD model
Quote from: r0tor on December 23, 2008, 04:49:33 PM
i'll put money on its not any faster then the AWD model
Not off the line. But they will be lighter and more frivolous; one of the complaints made against Lamborghini is that, compared to Ferraris, they aren't frisky enough.
finally, I hope they don't make it too over steer happy.
Honestly how much better can the 2 wheel drive versions be?
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 24, 2008, 10:51:37 PM
Honestly how much better can the 2 wheel drive versions be?
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Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 24, 2008, 10:51:37 PM
Honestly how much better can the 2 wheel drive versions be?
They will be lighter, have less drivetrain loss and much better steering feel....
.... :shrug:
They must be doing this for CAFE.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on December 25, 2008, 07:55:15 AM
They will be lighter, have less drivetrain loss and much better steering feel....
.... :shrug:
No shit! But your losing the wet weather (for the suprise downpour) and off the line traction. So in the end is the 2 wheel drive version a BETTER car? Also how much lighter can that huge LP640 feel?
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 27, 2008, 11:57:59 AM
No shit! But your losing the wet weather (for the suprise downpour) and off the line traction. So in the end is the 2 wheel drive version a BETTER car? Also how much lighter can that huge LP640 feel?
The surprise downpour issue isn't really a real one, is it? You pop on your emergency top (if you have the roadster), you keep traction control on, and you take it easy with your right foot.
Quote from: Raza on December 27, 2008, 10:20:22 PM
The surprise downpour issue isn't really a real one, is it? You pop on your emergency top (if you have the roadster), you keep traction control on, and you take it easy with your right foot.
Or you go crazy and have some fun. :devil:
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 27, 2008, 11:57:59 AM
No shit! But your losing the wet weather (for the suprise downpour) and off the line traction. So in the end is the 2 wheel drive version a BETTER car? Also how much lighter can that huge LP640 feel?
At this level of street car, better is often a moot point. The real concern to the driver (assuming its not bought just for valet curb appeal reasons) is whether or not he connects with the car. Many people will prefer the feel and handling of a 2WD car regardless of the objective performance stats.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 25, 2008, 10:16:40 AM
They must be doing this for CAFE.
If CAFE was a concern, we'd see a Lamborghini Polo. :rockon:
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 24, 2008, 10:51:37 PM
Honestly how much better can the 2 wheel drive versions be?
It could be as good as the F430.
Quote from: TBR on December 28, 2008, 06:49:57 PM
It could be as good as the F430.
C&D Feb. 2009 Short take LP560-4: "With the exception of the optional brakes,this Lambo is so good that the Ferrari 430 may have just been toppled."
It still looks like a low flying saucer on the road... as opposed to the F430, which looks like a half-cyborg half female, straddling the road seductively, waiting to be ridden...
....
Saucer or sex cyborg...... the choice is obvious... why do you think the top of the line version is Stradale
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 05, 2009, 08:16:47 PM
It still looks like a low flying saucer on the road... as opposed to the F430, which looks like a half-cyborg half female, straddling the road seductively, waiting to be ridden...
....
Saucer or sex cyborg...... the choice is obvious... why do you think the top of the line version is Stradale
I'll take the saucer thanks, because the sex cyborg you're talking about looks like she's got cyborg herpes.
More details emerge on Lamborghini?s upcoming Murcielago SV
Lamborghini is planning to send the aging Murcielago off with a bang as it nears the end of its life cycle, with more details on the super supercar hitting the internet today. Set to be sold under the SV nameplate, the higher-performance Murcielago promises to be lighter and even more powerful.
The Murcielago SV ? which will officially be dubbed the Lamborghini Murcielago LP670-4 SV ? will be officially announced in March, with deliveries slated to begin in July.
Although earlier reports suggested the SV would forgo the Mucrielago?s all-wheel drive system in order to save weight, you can clearly see by the car?s official name that it will retain an AWD setup.
Although the SV will carry the weight of an AWD system, it will be lighter than the standard car. Through the use of light weight materials ? including the extensive use of carbon fiber ? the SV sheds 220 pounds over the base Murcielago.
Power is also up over the regular Murcielago ? up 30 horsepower to 662 ? resulting in a 0-60 time of just 3.2 seconds and a top speed of 213 mph, a 2 mph increase.
To keep handling in check at higher speeds, the SV will offer buyers the choice of two rear wings. However, the larger of the two will decrease the car?s top speed by a few miles per hour.
Lamborghini?s E-gear will be standard, but shift times will be decreased by half.
Lamborghini has yet to release pricing for the LP670-4 SV, but insiders say it will command $84,000 over the base price of the Murcielago.
Disappointing.
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Disappointing.
I agree.
AN EXTRA 84k! Whew!
Why is Lamborghini so hesitant to release RWD versions of their cars again? Heck, the Diablo started its life being RWD.
Quote from: the Teuton on January 07, 2009, 08:57:26 PM
Why is Lamborghini so hesitant to release RWD versions of their cars again? Heck, the Diablo started its life being RWD.
Because you can only put down so much power to the rear wheels with street tires before it doesn't work anymore...
Quote from: r0tor on January 09, 2009, 05:52:26 AM
Because you can only put down so much power to the rear wheels with street tires before it doesn't work anymore...
McLaren successfully put 627 hp through the rear wheels of a car that weighed only 2400 lbs and had much narrower tires.
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 09, 2009, 10:09:01 AM
McLaren successfully put 627 hp through the rear wheels of a car that weighed only 2400 lbs and had much narrower tires.
Yea but the F1 had a gold engine block
Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 09, 2009, 12:56:12 PM
Yea but the F1 had a gold engine block
I think you're joking, but just in case: it had gold foil lining the engine compartment.
Road and Track just tested the LP670 and it's a quickie:
0-60: 2.8s
1/4mile: 10.9s@129mph.
Here:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/1109_rt_lamboMurcSV_datapanel.pdf (http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/1109_rt_lamboMurcSV_datapanel.pdf)
WTF that's quick.
Benefit of launch. ZR-1 is trapping ~130 at a few ticks off the 0-60 and 1/4.
The Lambo's times aren't magical or anything.
There is a RWD version of the Gallardo. The 550-2 Balboni.
(http://images.marken.auto-motor-und-sport.de/media/mdb/261529/Lamborghini-Gallardo-LP-550-2-Valentino-Balboni.jpg?r_498x333)
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on December 27, 2008, 11:57:59 AM
No shit! But your losing the wet weather (for the suprise downpour) and off the line traction. So in the end is the 2 wheel drive version a BETTER car? Also how much lighter can that huge LP640 feel?
With the super turbo hyper diff they have in it, as well as the super computer dynamic management systems I doubt a surprise downpour would put you in a ditch. At least not because of the RWD... prob more due to the tires the car has, which is common to the RWD and AWD versions.
Only 0.97g on the skidpad?
Quote from: the Teuton on September 23, 2009, 10:11:39 PM
WTF that's quick.
That would be why you do 500+ hp street cars with AWD.... so you can actually use all that power in gears lower then 4th
Quote from: r0tor on September 24, 2009, 04:31:29 PM
That would be why you do 500+ hp street cars with AWD.... so you can actually use all that power in gears lower then 4th
Dude you can not talk about useable power lol. I don't think your car could get out of the way of a Prelude
Quote from: sportyaccordy on September 24, 2009, 07:48:59 PM
Dude you can not talk about useable power lol. I don't think your car could get out of the way of a Prelude
I drove my friends 500+hp (dyno proven) Firebird. Doing burnouts is cool standing still. Doing 50mph and planting your foot down in 2nd gear and breaking the rear tires loose is completely frightening and will make you think twice before ever going WOT in the first 3 gears...
just because a car makes a ton of power doesn't mean you slam on the gas like a monkey.... ease into it a bit more :facepalm:
Quote from: r0tor on September 25, 2009, 05:57:48 AM
I drove my friends 500+hp (dyno proven) Firebird. Doing burnouts is cool standing still. Doing 50mph and planting your foot down in 2nd gear and breaking the rear tires loose is completely frightening and will make you think twice before ever going WOT in the first 3 gears...
Well there is a happy medium between 200HP and 500HP. Plus with a car like that you don't mash the pedal until you're certain that you're going fast enough to not break traction.
Plus these cars are not as brutal torque-wise, and have chewing gum compound tires, AND longer gearing (pretty sure they hit 60 in 1st). And of course, they also have traction control.