Poll
Question:
What are the Best Hot Hatches?
Option 1: Renault Clio V6
votes: 1
Option 2: VW R32
votes: 0
Option 3: VW GTI (All Generaions)
votes: 3
Option 4: Audi S3 (All generations)
votes: 2
Option 5: BMW 130i M-sport
votes: 0
Option 6: Honda Civic Type-R (and CRX)
votes: 1
Option 7: SVT Focus
votes: 2
Option 8: Focus RS
votes: 0
Option 9: Escort Cosworth
votes: 1
Option 10: Opel Astra OPC/VXR
votes: 0
Option 11: Seat Leon Cupra R
votes: 0
Option 12: Mini Cooper JCW
votes: 3
Option 13: Fiat 500 Abarth essesse
votes: 0
Option 14: Toyota Corolla FX
votes: 0
Option 15: Mazda 323 GTX
votes: 1
Option 16: VW Scirocco
votes: 1
Option 17: Dodge Omni GLH
votes: 2
Option 18: Suzuki Swift/Cultus GTi
votes: 1
Option 19: Lancia Delta Intergrale
votes: 3
Option 20: Renault Clio Williams
votes: 0
Option 21: Renault 5 Turbo
votes: 0
Option 22: Mazdaspeed 3
votes: 0
Option 23: Dodge Colt GT (Turbo)
votes: 1
What do you think are the best hot hatches?
I will allow entry level luxury cars (i.e the 1-series and S3 are allowed)
As usual, I'll nominate a few, then Ill let you do the rest.
(http://www.iceposter.com/thumbs/A38859_b.jpg)
Audi S3
(http://media.autobild.de/bild/E/ac0ea27311f92801da29d3f694ef590e_1.jpg)
VW GTI (all generations)
(http://www.speedace.info/speedace_images/volkswagen_golf_mk_1_gti_alloys.jpg)
(http://www.carsandtuning.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/vw-golf-gti-16v.jpg)
(http://www.cochez.es/wp-content/uploads/volkswagen-golf-iii-gti-115-cv-1582-0.jpg)
(http://www.newcarbuyingguide.com/images/articles/reviews/volkswagen/2008vwgti01.jpg)
VW R32
(http://www.aeolus-online.com/catalog/pics/2005_Vw_R32_18_000_Miles.jpg)
Honda Civic Type-R (all iterations, and I'm including the CRX)
Peugeot 205 GTi
(http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/86-peugeot-205-gti.jpg)
SVT Focus
Focus RS
Newer cars may be better, but I'll always have a soft spot for the first gen Sciroccos
(http://www.design-cars.com/components/com_productbook/img_pictures/med_vw-scirocco-1981.jpg)
(http://www.desertwind.se/065.jpg)
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh34/bluemartin_2008/scirocco012.jpg)
No Renault 5 Turbo or Mazdaspeed 3? Lancia Delta Integrale? Nissan Pulsar GTI-R?
And I'd take a 205 T16 over the GTi variant anyday (granted they only built a couple hundred of the T16s).
(http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/03/1986-Dodge-Omni-GLHS.jpg)
Lancia Integrale FTW :ohyeah:
although I do have a certain fondness for old Sciroccos. It'd be cool to see one with a 2.0T swapped in and the b00st turned up
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/20/20Volvfr3_main.jpg)
The C30 would win the beauty award, at least in my book.
Although I think I'd buy this first:
(http://www.dueckgm.com/images/image.php?file=vehicle_395441.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Chevrolet_Sprint_Turbo.jpg/800px-Chevrolet_Sprint_Turbo.jpg)
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/disco_stu000/DSCF0561.jpg)
Quote from: Tave on February 13, 2009, 03:17:40 PM
The C30 would win the beauty award, at least in my book.
Although I think I'd buy this first:
(http://www.dueckgm.com/images/image.php?file=vehicle_395441.jpg)
You can't be serious. Over a C30?!
(http://usedcorolla.com/images/5thgen.jpg)
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 13, 2009, 03:18:12 PM
You can't be serious. Over a C30?!
Yes. I would look for a 2004-earlier C70. I love those cars.
(http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4653/2321/24131160016_large.jpg)
(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj45/mms58/1990FordFestivaSHOgunFFF05.jpg)
(http://www.mirafiori.com/~courtney/128/scott1.JPG)
(http://www.gremlinx.com/images/78GT2.jpg)
Quote from: NACar on February 13, 2009, 03:29:41 PM
(http://www.gremlinx.com/images/78GT2.jpg)
Not sure the Gremlin qualifies as a true hatch. The whole back doesn't open, only the glass.
Quote from: MX793 on February 13, 2009, 03:32:42 PM
Not sure the Gremlin qualifies as a true hatch. The whole back doesn't open, only the glass.
The C30 is the same way, but I admit the Gremlin is a bit of a stretch... I just don't like the Pacer so I didn't want to post that.
Pacer >>>>> Gremlin
Quote from: MX793 on February 13, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
No Renault 5 Turbo or Mazdaspeed 3? Lancia Delta Integrale? Nissan Pulsar GTI-R?
And I'd take a 205 T16 over the GTi variant anyday (granted they only built a couple hundred of the T16s).
Lancia Delta Integrale for me please.
But if practicality and ease of parts/registration and all that, MINI JCW.
Quote from: Vinsanity on February 13, 2009, 03:39:32 PM
Pacer >>>>> Gremlin
gtfo and post another hot hatch. there are still about a thousand left that nobody has mentioned
Quote from: NACar on February 13, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
(http://usedcorolla.com/images/5thgen.jpg)
:nono:
(http://www.blackopsperformance.com/images/ae86.jpg)
(http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/coupe-degolf/Image054.sized.jpg)
(http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/coupe-degolf/Image046.sized.jpg)
Quote from: Vinsanity on February 13, 2009, 03:41:58 PM
:nono:
(http://www.blackopsperformance.com/images/ae86.jpg)
That is borderline coupe/fastback... FX-16 is definitely more of a hatch.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/1986_Porsche_944_Turbo.jpg/800px-1986_Porsche_944_Turbo.jpg)
Quote from: NACar on February 13, 2009, 03:42:31 PM
(http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/coupe-degolf/Image046.sized.jpg)
Sorry, but that engine needs to be someplace cooler than under the hood of an old VW.
Like behind the seats of a CRX :rockon:
Quote from: Vinsanity on February 13, 2009, 03:44:46 PM
Sorry, but that engine needs to be someplace cooler than under the hood of an old VW.
Like behind the seats of a CRX :rockon:
Has anyone done that?
Not that I know of. Yet.
Quote from: Laconian on February 13, 2009, 03:44:43 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/1986_Porsche_944_Turbo.jpg/800px-1986_Porsche_944_Turbo.jpg)
I would never call that a hatchback
Quote from: Vinsanity on February 13, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
Not that I know of. Yet.
I will do that to the Swift someday.
It has a hatch. In the back.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Sierra_3_door_-_an_early_one.jpg/800px-Sierra_3_door_-_an_early_one.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/1987_ford_sierra_rs500.jpg/800px-1987_ford_sierra_rs500.jpg)
Quote from: NACar on February 13, 2009, 03:42:31 PM
(http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/coupe-degolf/Image054.sized.jpg)
(http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/coupe-degolf/Image046.sized.jpg)
I was hoping to see more about the car, but I haven't since it had been built...
SVT Focus
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 13, 2009, 03:50:53 PM
Your point being?
Fine, let's add the Ford Expedition to the hot hatch poll.
Quote from: Vinsanity on February 13, 2009, 03:10:39 PM
although I do have a certain fondness for old Sciroccos. It'd be cool to see one with a 2.0T swapped in and the b00st turned up
This is about as close as you're going to get (http://www.funksoulkitty.org/)
Since term "hot hatch" is now being applied to everything that has glass on the trunk lid...
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1170/536682919_7b91b5f6a4.jpg)
(http://www.ajeepthing.com/images/gmc-typhoon.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/2711683714_871c245f45.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/streeetlamp/Driving.jpg)
(http://www.ssip.net/upload/ford-mustang-gt-1987-front-1_219.jpg)
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/autoreview/400x266/1990-92-Chevrolet-Camaro-91123251990604.jpg)
(http://img.alibaba.com/photo/10849554/Toyota_Supra_Targa_1995.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/b_dinsdale/1990-92-Isuzu-Impulse-91805021990004.jpg)
(http://www.digital-photo.com.au/gallery/d/4902-1/Ferrari-F430-IMG_8591.jpg)
(http://cvillain.com/wp-content/uploads/2007-toyota-prius-touring-edition-front-left.jpg)
Quote from: Vinsanity on February 13, 2009, 03:50:29 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Sierra_3_door_-_an_early_one.jpg/800px-Sierra_3_door_-_an_early_one.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/1987_ford_sierra_rs500.jpg/800px-1987_ford_sierra_rs500.jpg)
Our version, the Merkur XR4Ti, looked kinda lame, and frankly isn't that quick. But cool anyway!
I was at a hill climb rally about 18 months ago with an Escort Cosworth WRC car in it. Very cool till it died on the way down to stage. :lol:
Quote from: R-inge on February 13, 2009, 04:01:49 PM
I was at a hill climb rally about 18 months ago with an Escort Cosworth WRC car in it. Very cool till it died on the way down to stage. :lol:
I thought they only ran downhill? :huh:
:lol:
Quote from: R-inge on February 13, 2009, 04:01:49 PM
Our version, the Merkur XR4Ti, looked kinda lame, and frankly isn't that quick. But cool anyway!
Yeah, I never knew why ours had the stupid-looking split rear side window :huh:
Too many to choose just one.
Lancia Delta Integrale, Renault Clio V6, Renault 5 Turbo, Toyota Corolla AE86, etc.
Quote from: NACar on February 13, 2009, 03:54:25 PM
Fine, let's add the Ford Expedition to the hot hatch poll.
I never said it was a hot hatch, and if it was it certainly wouldn't be in the running for "best hot hatch."
Fiat 147 Sorpasso:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2137/2218998585_71b88d3932.jpg?v=0)
One of my friends had a 323 GTX years ago up at his college in the mountains. We knew some unused logging roads there and would drive the piss out of that car right next to cliff sides. I loved that thing and if I saw one for sale today in ok shape I'd buy it.
Volvo 480 Turbo!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/DanThe440Man/My%20480%20Turbo/dirty.jpg)
Quote from: Onslaught on February 13, 2009, 04:31:44 PM
One of my friends had a 323 GTX years ago up at his college in the mountains. We knew some unused logging roads there and would drive the piss out of that car right next to cliff sides. I loved that thing and if I saw one for sale today in ok shape I'd buy it.
I bid on one on Ebay once, but the people went crazy and I think it sold for $5000 or something silly.
Quote from: NACar on February 13, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
I bid on one on Ebay once, but the people went crazy and I think it sold for $5000 or something silly.
I know a guy who has two but both of them are dogs and it would take way too much work to be something I'd drive.
Can you leave out the MkIII and MkIV from the GTI list?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=17600.msg996227#msg996227 date=1234568606
Can you leave out the MkIII and MkIV from the GTI list?
Why?
The MKIII isn't very good, the 2.slow is the only engine offered, and the VR6 solved the power issue, but made the car nose heavy. Why leave out the MkIV?
Quote from: 2o6 on February 13, 2009, 04:45:44 PM
Why?
The MKIII isn't very good, the 2.slow is the only engine offered, and the VR6 solved the power issue, but made the car nose heavy. Why leave out the MkIV?
The MkIV really wasn't very good. It was okay. Plus all those North American reliability issues due to poor plant management...
As Car put it, "for the fourth generation, VW built a great base model, and then accidentally put GTI badges on it."
Quote from: NACar on February 13, 2009, 03:17:42 PM
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/disco_stu000/DSCF0561.jpg)
I had one almost identical to this, except it had quad round headlights under the plexiglass covers (the buckets were actually old Saab 99 headlight buckets). Very fun car. 45 mpg, good handling, excellent seats.
I'd own another, but not in red this time.
Quote from: ChrisV on February 13, 2009, 06:17:05 PM
I had one almost identical to this, except it had quad round headlights under the plexiglass covers (the buckets were actually old Saab 99 headlight buckets). Very fun car. 45 mpg, good handling, excellent seats.
I'd own another, but not in red this time.
From now on, it may be easier to let us know what cars you
have not owned.
Lancia, duh.
Quote from: Psilos on February 13, 2009, 07:12:15 PM
Lancia, duh.
Definitely. There's one on ebay right now actually.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/hemi666/IMG_4375.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/hemi666/IMG_4374.jpg)
Pontiac Turbo Firefly!!
(http://usera.imagecave.com/bkburger123/ASN_CAC01002hires.jpg)
GTI for me
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h308/Standman38637/GTI.jpg)
Quote from: Cobra93 on February 14, 2009, 07:42:21 AM
GTI for me
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h308/Standman38637/GTI.jpg)
Nice beard! Is that you?
2000 STi wagon, thanks.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 17, 2009, 12:46:12 PM
2000 STi wagon, thanks.
That's not a hatch, it's a wagon.
Quote from: Raza on February 17, 2009, 01:25:19 PM
That's not a hatch, it's a wagon.
It really depends on your definition and subjectivity. My mom calls my car a hatch; I call it a wagon.
But the new STI is a hatch, right?
Quote from: the Teuton on February 17, 2009, 01:35:08 PM
It really depends on your definition and subjectivity. My mom calls my car a hatch; I call it a wagon.
But the new STI is a hatch, right?
I'm usually the type to get into really heated semantic arguments, but I'm not too sure about it this time. I know that when I look at a wagon, I know what it is, and when I look at a hatch, I know what it is. I think it comes down to a D pillar, right?
(http://www.duemotori.com/foto/2007/14703/thumbs400/1.jpg)
You have the A, B, and C pillars, and then the upright edge of the glass is considered the D pillar, isn't it? So that makes it a wago.
(http://www.autobytel.com/images/2007/Volkswagen/GTI_4Door/400/07_VW-GTI4Door_02.jpg)
Since this car's C pillar is basically the end of the profile, it's a hatch.
(http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide2007/photos/2007/Audi/A3/Hatchback/2007_Audi_A3_ext_1.jpg)
Now this car blurs the lines, since many consider it a hatch, but it seems to have four pillars and a traditional wagon shape.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=17600.msg1001360#msg1001360 date=1235061139
(http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide2007/photos/2007/Audi/A3/Hatchback/2007_Audi_A3_ext_1.jpg)
Now this car blurs the lines, since many consider it a hatch, but it seems to have four pillars and a traditional wagon shape.
What about the 5 door SVT Focus? It's got a D-pillar.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/hemi666/IMG_4374.jpg)
Quote from: HEMI666 on February 19, 2009, 09:45:18 AM
What about the 5 door SVT Focus? It's got a D-pillar.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/hemi666/IMG_4374.jpg)
Interesting. See what I'm saying? I look at the Focus and think automatically "hatch", even though it does have a D pillar. So the D pillar can't be the only qualifier. I'm not an authority on this, so anyone around can feel free to enlighten me. I'm not trying to sound condescending (it's probably pretty bad when I think I sound condescending when I'm just trying to be honest), even though it might come off that way.
Let's try comparing the ZX5 to the ZXW and see what conclusions can be drawn from that.
(http://www.car-list.com/newcars/2005/image/2005ford_focus_ZXW_blue_side.jpg)
(http://www.todoautos.com.pe/attachments/f21/46997d1190948458-ford-focus-zx5-que-les-parece-mi-carro-06_ford_focus_32.jpg)
Actually, in that profile shot, the ZX5 does look a little wagon-like. I guess the biggest difference is that the glass aft the C pillar is far larger and rectangular, and the D pillar is much more upright than on the ZX5. The D pillar is nearly a 90 degree angle to the shoulder.
The ZX5's rearmost window is triangular and small, and the D pillar is cut at a much steeper angle.
I think what we're seeing most is a single car design being stretched to four different bodystyles, resulting in some odd angles.
The wagon's rear overhang is quite a bit larger.
Quote from: HEMI666 on February 19, 2009, 09:59:25 AM
The wagon's rear overhang is quite a bit larger.
Yeah, and the bottom plane of the wagon's bumper appears more parallel with the ground, as opposed to the ZX5's, which appears to curve upwards.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=17600.msg1001394#msg1001394 date=1235063359
Yeah, and the bottom plane of the wagon's bumper appears more parallel with the ground, as opposed to the ZX5's, which appears to curve upwards.
Since I look at it every day, the ZX5 rear overhang is a lot smaller then it looks in your picture.
See, I think my car and any Impreza with a liftgate made before the 2008 model year is a wagon. But the mom calls it a hatchback.
So now I have created a semantics clusterfuck.
Quote from: HEMI666 on February 19, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
Since I look at it every day, the ZX5 rear overhang is a lot smaller then it looks in your picture.
The angle of the picture seems to blend the end of the profile with the edge of the rear fascia, that's true.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=17600.msg1001397#msg1001397 date=1235063536
The angle of the picture seems to blend the end of the profile with the edge of the rear fascia, that's true.
See, if you look at the picture of my car, the rear end looks tighter and shorter then the ZX5 you posted, even though it isn't. My picture is much more representative of how it really is.
In much the same way as the difference between liftbacks and hatchbacks can be a few degrees of rake, so too can the difference between hatchbacks and station wagons. Generally speaking, a station wagon will have a deep, upright rear door to allow for a full-height roofline right to the back of the car and side windows to the cargo area, often in conjunction with an extended rear overhang or wheelbase to allow for these side windows. A hatchback has a sharper angle to its rear door, has shorter rear overhang, and doesn't always have side windows to the cargo area.
Of course, there are times when the distinction is probably more a relative judgement than an absolute one - the wagon of a given range will probably be longer, taller, and have a more upright rear door extending lower down than the hatchback, but not by any standardised percentage increase beyond which the definition officially changes.
And of course, there are little curve-balls like the Impreza.
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Subaru-Impreza_Sports_Wagon_2004_photo_07.jpg)
I'd err towards station wagon in this instance because of the clearer distinction between C and D pillars brought on by a full-height roofline right to the back of the car, a deeper and more upright rear door, and proper side windows to the cargo area.
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Subaru-Impreza_WRX_STi_2008_photo_10.jpg)
And here, a hatchback; a roofline that more obviously tapers off at the rear of the car, a more sharply-angled and shallower rear door, a less-clear distinction between the C and D pillars, and limited side windows to the cargo area.
If measured carefully, mind you, the differences would probably be quite small on paper, hence:
Quote from: Raza on February 19, 2009, 09:32:19 AM
I'm not too sure about it this time. I know that when I look at a wagon, I know what it is, and when I look at a hatch, I know what it is.
And, of course, it's going to necessarily be harder to tell on small cars where the total size and proportion difference will be necessarily small to begin with. Much easier to tell on a larger car.
Quote from: ChrisV on February 19, 2009, 10:45:54 AM
And, of course, it's going to necessarily be harder to tell on small cars where the total size and proportion difference will be necessarily small to begin with. Much easier to tell on a larger car.
I knew there was a a good reason to bring back full-size station wagons! Thank you.
Let's look at the Lancer:
(http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/100880/2004-Mitsubishi-lancer-Sportback-i02.jpg)
^^^Most definitely a wagon.
(http://www.nextautos.com/files/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/mitsubishi-lancer-sportback-hl.jpg)
Most definitely a hatchback.
Why does Subaru have to be so difficult?
I'll just take a Cosworth Sierra. I didn't know it was going to be this difficult.
Quote from: Raza on February 19, 2009, 09:27:03 AM
Cool. Nice GTI too.
That was the first GTI in the Memphis area. I originally wanted black but decided I really liked the white. When I read that VW was going to start selling the GTI here, I called the local dealer and bought it before it came in. It was my first new car. That thing was an absolute blast to drive. Wish I had it back. :cry:
Damn, Cobra, that GTI's sick.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 19, 2009, 04:46:38 PM
Damn, Cobra, that GTI's sick.
After my last post, I got on eBay and started looking. I may end up with another one. :lol:
Quote from: Cobra93 on February 19, 2009, 04:56:15 PM
After my last post, I got on eBay and started looking. I may end up with another one. :lol:
:rockon: :rockon:
(http://www3.telus.net/cwdance/Probe/Luke%20Probe%20005.jpg)
Quote from: r0tor on February 19, 2009, 05:57:30 PM
(http://www3.telus.net/cwdance/Probe/Luke%20Probe%20005.jpg)
Marketed as a coupe, so no.
its clearly a damn hatchback.... don't be hatin' cause it doesn't look like a retarded wagon
(http://www.modernracer.com/member/memberfeatures/carcutaways/toyotasuprainsidesthum.jpg)
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 19, 2009, 06:06:09 PM
(http://www.modernracer.com/member/memberfeatures/carcutaways/toyotasuprainsidesthum.jpg)
Marketed as a coupe. Even if it has a liftback, it's
technically not a hatch.
(http://www.mazda-rx7.net/gallery/pic/2000/mazda_rx-7_1169230.jpg)
Once again, a coupe.
(http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheDG95B3RHIHBYAXVZQXV0B21VDGLVBI1DYXJZ/imgToyota%20Prius1.jpg)
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 19, 2009, 06:15:13 PM
(http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheDG95B3RHIHBYAXVZQXV0B21VDGLVBI1DYXJZ/imgToyota%20Prius1.jpg)
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 19, 2009, 06:06:09 PM
(http://www.modernracer.com/member/memberfeatures/carcutaways/toyotasuprainsidesthum.jpg)
REPOSTS
dumbass :rolleyes:
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 19, 2009, 06:15:13 PM
(http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheDG95B3RHIHBYAXVZQXV0B21VDGLVBI1DYXJZ/imgToyota%20Prius1.jpg)
Your pic conjured up a password/username prompt.
Also, the Prius is a Kammback.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 19, 2009, 06:13:48 PM
Once again, a coupe.
but yet clearly a hatchback... again, al lhatchbacks do not need to look like the awkward offspring of a wagon and a humpback whale
see mazda6 "hatchback"
(http://www.grohol.com/mazda/mazda6_hatchback4.jpg)
Funny, I've been thinking about Supras nonstop for the last two days.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=17600.msg1002009#msg1002009 date=1235097341
Funny, I've been thinking about Supras nonstop for the last two days.
I know what you're thinking of, and it's not the Supra... it's the driver.
(http://homepage.usask.ca/~skf147/Paul%20Walker%20and%20the%20Supra.jpg)
Quote from: r0tor on February 19, 2009, 06:22:36 PM
but yet clearly a hatchback... again, al lhatchbacks do not need to look like the awkward offspring of a wagon and a humpback whale
see mazda6 "hatchback"
(http://www.grohol.com/mazda/mazda6_hatchback4.jpg)
That's a liftback. That's different yet again.
Quote from: NACar on February 19, 2009, 07:38:13 PM
I know what you're thinking of, and it's not the Supra... it's the driver.
(http://homepage.usask.ca/~skf147/Paul%20Walker%20and%20the%20Supra.jpg)
:wub:
He's so dreamy. I can't wait for the fourth movie.
But I really want a sport roof Supra Turbo without a spoiler, in gray.
(http://www.kabanimotorsports.com/photos/93redsupra/Supra%20side2.jpg)
That's red, but you get the idea. They look so clean and classy without the spoiler. I saw one at a gas station once, and I just stared at it.
I worked on one just like you want last month.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 19, 2009, 09:15:08 PM
I worked on one just like you want last month.
Do you have the address of the owner, and perhaps a copy of the ignition key?
I don't think I even care if it's a turbo. Turbo would be nice, but 220hp, RWD, handling, looks, and what is considered a relatively low weight (it's only a few pounds more than my car with the sport roof), and that open roof, it would be a wonderful second car. Turbo or not, as long as it had a stickshift and that sport roof, I'd be happy with it. Even if it is a Toyota.
I checked on Autotrader last night, and it seems the fantasy of current owners is back; I saw turbo models going for over $60,000.
Quote from: r0tor on February 19, 2009, 06:22:36 PM
but yet clearly a hatchback... again, al lhatchbacks do not need to look like the awkward offspring of a wagon and a humpback whale
Then we're gonna get back to a goddamn Escalade being a "hatchback" if we want to start stretching the definition to everything that has a vertical rising fully/partially glass liftgate of some sort on the aft end of it.
Hot Hatches are a specific segment of the automotive realm. Supras, RX7s, Camaros, and Fox Mustangs et.al. are not part of that segment.
Quote from: Raza on February 19, 2009, 07:35:41 PM
Funny, I've been thinking about Supras nonstop for the last two days.
Same here, after I saw a MKII supra with a 302 swap for sale in Texas.
Quote from: ChrisV on February 20, 2009, 10:23:32 AM
Then we're gonna get back to a goddamn Escalade being a "hatchback" if we want to start stretching the definition to everything that has a vertical rising fully/partially glass liftgate of some sort on the aft end of it.
Hot Hatches are a specific segment of the automotive realm. Supras, RX7s, Camaros, and Fox Mustangs et.al. are not part of that segment.
I prefer the term "sport compact."
Quote from: Raza on February 20, 2009, 09:36:47 AM
Do you have the address of the owner, and perhaps a copy of the ignition key?
I don't think I even care if it's a turbo. Turbo would be nice, but 220hp, RWD, handling, looks, and what is considered a relatively low weight (it's only a few pounds more than my car with the sport roof), and that open roof, it would be a wonderful second car. Turbo or not, as long as it had a stickshift and that sport roof, I'd be happy with it. Even if it is a Toyota.
I checked on Autotrader last night, and it seems the fantasy of current owners is back; I saw turbo models going for over $60,000.
The roommate sold his 650 hp Supra for $35k. You should have jumped on that.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 20, 2009, 11:09:16 AM
I prefer the term "sport compact."
The roommate sold his 650 hp Supra for $35k. You should have jumped on that.
Stock power would have been plenty enough for me. I don't need some queen that's only good for 12 second time slips.
Sport compact would also refer to cars that are not hatchbacks, like the SRT-4 Neon.
Quote from: Raza on February 20, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
Stock power would have been plenty enough for me. I don't need some queen that's only good for 12 second time slips.
Sport compact would also refer to cars that are not hatchbacks, like the SRT-4 Neon.
The thing about these monster Supras is that they have such huge snails on them that all their power must be on the top end. Serious turbo lag ftl, frankly. I already hate having to wait till 2500rpm for shit to happen, I wouldn't be able to stand it.
Quote from: R-inge on February 20, 2009, 02:02:53 PM
The thing about these monster Supras is that they have such huge snails on them that all their power must be on the top end. Serious turbo lag ftl, frankly. I already hate having to wait till 2500rpm for shit to happen, I wouldn't be able to stand it.
Yeah. For some time now, I'm not really a power guy. 320 is plenty for a car that size, and unless I was going to track it competitively, I don't really see the need to do more to it. Drag racing doesn't really excite me.
Now, I know for many of you, more power is never enough, and I'm not knocking that. It's just not my thing.
Quote from: Raza on February 20, 2009, 02:08:22 PM
Yeah. For some time now, I'm not really a power guy. 320 is plenty for a car that size, and unless I was going to track it competitively, I don't really see the need to do more to it. Drag racing doesn't really excite me.
Now, I know for many of you, more power is never enough, and I'm not knocking that. It's just not my thing.
Ditto. If you want to go huge, that's fine. I prefer a driveable 300ish HP with a turbo 4, and around 400hp with a V8. 6 banger would probably be somewhere in the middle. I just wouldn't want to make the compromise in NVH, idle, and low end.
I've come to the conclusion that I'll probably never get a FD RX-7. Supras and RX-7's from that time period go for way too much money these days if they are in great shape. And if they aren't then I don't even want to look at them.
Looks like that boat has sailed for me.
And I agree with you two on power.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 20, 2009, 03:51:38 PM
I've come to the conclusion that I'll probably never get a FD RX-7. Supras and RX-7's from that time period go for way too much money these days if they are in great shape. And if they aren't then I don't even want to look at them.
Looks like that boat has sailed for me.
And I agree with you two on power.
Yeah, those cars have huge resale still. Amazing.
You could always go for a 2nd gen Supra!
Quote from: R-inge on February 20, 2009, 07:16:49 PM
Yeah, those cars have huge resale still. Amazing.
You could always go for a 2nd gen Supra!
I'm not a big Supra fan. The last one was ok but the other ones never did it for me.
I'm looking for a clean FC Turbo II now.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 20, 2009, 08:14:03 PM
I'm not a big Supra fan. The last one was ok but the other ones never did it for me.
I'm looking for a clean FC Turbo II now.
FB GSL-SE?
Quote from: thecarnut on February 20, 2009, 10:39:32 PM
FB GSL-SE?
If it was nice. And didn't have red interior. Most of those cars had ugly ass brown or red inside.
It would have to be grey for me to buy it.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 20, 2009, 08:14:03 PM
I'm not a big Supra fan. The last one was ok but the other ones never did it for me.
I'm looking for a clean FC Turbo II now.
That's cool. I just have a friend with one, and I really like the looks. Very cool in an 80s sort of way.
Quote from: R-inge on February 21, 2009, 09:20:20 AM
That's cool. I just have a friend with one, and I really like the looks. Very cool in an 80s sort of way.
I like the Supra. I know they are great cars. But being an RX-7 guy I'm not sure I could have one.
It's like a Mustang fan buying a Camaro. Sure you can respect them but you can't buy one.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 21, 2009, 09:59:27 AM
I like the Supra. I know they are great cars. But being an RX-7 guy I'm not sure I could have one.
It's like a Mustang fan buying a Camaro. Sure you can respect them but you can't buy one.
Haha, I know what you mean. It would be like me owning an Evo... though actually I might someday just to see what they are like.