10. Suburban- Cell phoning soccer mom won't get out of the fast lane.
9. V6 Mustangs- Dumb blonde won't speed up till you try to pass her.
8. Excursion - Blocks all forward view.
7. Corolla - Grandma won't drive over 25mph.
6. Camry - More focused on smoking his/her cigarette than driving.
5. F-150 - Hillbilly dual exhaust sounds like crap!.
4. Civic (modified) - Now I have to listen to this idiot rev the shit outta this crapper at every stop
light!
3. Prius - Refuses to step on the gas in his/her pursute of the most MPG.
2. Town Car - Grandpa drives just like grandma in her Corolla.
1. ANY MINIVAN! Same as the Suburban but is also full of kids (usually making funny faces outta the
back window) and the family K9. Windows are never clean and traveling 5-10 mph UNDER the
posted limit!
Whats yours?
All cars.
I only have one: the jackass in a 3/4- or full-ton who feels the need to romp on the throttle at every stoplight and spit clouds of smelly diesel smoke at me.
Maroon Grand Am with left lane camping, Yankee-lidded white trash in the driver seat.
Those clapped out GM sedans from the ghetto are no fun. They are awful to look at, usually have a least one tailight out, and drive really slow.
10. Volvo 240 - I know it doesn't feel like it can, but your car can go faster than 60.
9. Hummer H3 - 90% of the bulk of the H2 combined with the five-cylinder fury of the VW Jetta
8. lifted 1-ton pickup - obviously not made for freeway use. so why are you using it?
7. Mercedes W123 diesel - 80 hp of smoky agony
6. ghetto ricer with cut springs - it's not everyone else's fault you look like a retard bouncing around on freeway expansion joints
5. beat-up landscaping pickup - your truck wants to die already
4. Hummer H2 - the only thing dumber than a huge car with tiny windows is the idiot struggling to place it within the lane
3. VW Microbus - honestly I'm surprised they can even try to keep up on the freeway
2. Toyota Sienna - are they that scary to drive over the speed limit?
1. Toyota Prius - stupid hypermiling pricks
I find that whenever I'm stuck behind somebody driving too slowly, it's usually a minivan. Most people who have them can't drive and have no regard for anybody else on the road.
A Ferrari. If I rear-end it, I'm fucked!
Quote from: dazzleman on April 27, 2009, 11:04:30 PM
I find that whenever I'm stuck behind somebody driving too slowly, it's usually a minivan. Most people who have them can't drive and have no regard for anybody else on the road.
+1! It's like it states in the owner manual that your sole purpose is to prevent everyone else from making any progress!
Trucks that are so large, they cease to be useful.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 27, 2009, 11:01:19 PM
10. Volvo 240 - I know it doesn't feel like it can, but your car can go faster than 60.
9. Hummer H3 - 90% of the bulk of the H2 combined with the five-cylinder fury of the VW Jetta
8. lifted 1-ton pickup - obviously not made for freeway use. so why are you using it?
7. Mercedes W123 diesel - 80 hp of smoky agony
6. ghetto ricer with cut springs - it's not everyone else's fault you look like a retard bouncing around on freeway expansion joints
5. beat-up landscaping pickup - your truck wants to die already
4. Hummer H2 - the only thing dumber than a huge car with tiny windows is the idiot struggling to place it within the lane
3. VW Microbus - honestly I'm surprised they can even try to keep up on the freeway
2. Toyota Sienna - are they that scary to drive over the speed limit?
1. Toyota Prius - stupid hypermiling pricks
Assuming it's in decent shape, the Volvo 240 is a really stable car, up to faster then you want to go on the freeway most of the time.
Of course, the speedometer is probably broken, so the driver has no idea how fast or slow they're going. I did a whole road trip like that, and we really didn't want to get pulled over, so I was driving really slow most of the time. :lol:
Quote from: Psilos on April 28, 2009, 01:04:19 AM
Trucks that are so large, they cease to be useful.
Oh man. Tundra Mega Ultra XXL Minivan Crew Cab. One hell of a huge truck, and usually with a suburban white collar D-bag behind the wheel.
I think that many minivan drivers have the self-righteous attitude that they have a right to be in the left lane doing 50 mph because it's their job to slow everybody down and make the roads safer. They're generally driven by overweight, nervous nellie middle-aged women.
Add to that the fact that you can't see around the fucking things, and they're just a major PITA.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 27, 2009, 11:01:19 PM
2. Toyota Sienna - are they that scary to drive over the speed limit?
Have logged some seat time in my mom's Sienna, they really aren't that bad. The steering is light, with no feel, but it's accurate enough. Very stable vehicle at 80 mph too.
See, I notice more emasculated males driving minivans over the speed limit in a vain attempt to recapture their lost pride. Two of my uncles drive minivans, and they push them pretty hard.
One of them always gets pulled over on his way up here to Thanksgiving. Then his two little girls flash their doe-eyes from the back seat and it's off to the races.
Quote from: dazzleman on April 28, 2009, 05:54:22 AM
I think that many minivan drivers have the self-righteous attitude that they have a right to be in the left lane doing 50 mph because it's their job to slow everybody down and make the roads safer. They're generally driven by overweight, nervous nellie middle-aged women.
Add to that the fact that you can't see around the fucking things, and they're just a major PITA.
My wife hates them and calls them rolling wombs. I tried to tell her that an older Dodge turbo minavan would be economical, useful, and massive fun at stoplights, but she won't have it. lol!
Your wife has the right idea.
Anything Toyota or Buick. It just seems like they take longer to do everything; brake, turn, accelerate, etc.
After those, Minivans and SUV's drive me insane. SUV's because the people that drive them either drive them like raging sports cars, weaving in and out of traffic, or its a soccer mom on her phone not paying attention. Minivans because they are either being driven by highschool kids fresh with a licsense, like Tave said guys trying to not look like pussies, or moms. All three suck.
After that we have Jettas, Beatles, TC's, V6 Mustang converts, and Civic coupes. I've noticed that these are driven by younger girls and so I always have to take a look to see if they are cute or not :evildude: and usually almost end up crashing.
And then we have the ricers and V6 muscle car owners who are just oh so annoying.
Then there are the ballers that ride on their 24' rimz, going slow as fuck and blaring their music for the whole world to see. Its even better when you have the ones whos rims are worth more then their car.
After them is the old guys in the Porsche or Corvette, I get so jealous =/
And past them you have the younger guy in the Porsche/Lambo/Ferrari, I get even more jealous =/
And you know what I've just realized? I hate all cars, heh
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 27, 2009, 11:01:19 PM
7. Mercedes W123 diesel - 80 hp of smoky agony
:wub:
Quote from: dazzleman on April 28, 2009, 08:42:41 AM
Your wife has the right idea.
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A number of the guys at Grassroots Motorsports are into minivans as the family/gear/carstuff haulers. Practical, spacious, economical, etc. As one of the racers said:
QuoteFor a lot of years I swore we would never own a mini van...then we bought one for the wife. It is by far the best, most versatile vehicle ever made. Drives like a car, hauls like a truck, and hauls a$$ as well. Have towed a 3000# boat with it. Hauled two 4.2L GM I6 engines from south Florida to South Carolina in the back and still got 27MPG. Hauled more kids than the law allows (literally). I can honestly say we will probably never be without one again
They use them for pulling the race cars to events all over the country while still having comfy family hauler space the rest of the time, and getting better fuel mileage than an SUV. I just with more minivan owners were like these guys. they woudn't have the bad rap they do now.
The pretty funny. SUVs started out as major dude cars, and then became very popular with chicks. The reverse could be happening with minivans. But I still hate them.
Cop cars and gravel trucks. :rage:
For some reason, cop cars feel compelled to go at the speed limit when there's a lot of traffic around. Coupled with the fact that the guy behind, reasonably becoming very impatient, is riding right up my tailpipe.
As for gravel trucks, nothing excellerates slower than a gravel truck. Combined with all the crap falling off them and flying off their tires, they're, truly, the most miserable thing to be on the road behind.
In mentioning hybrids, I was behind a Saturn Vue Hybrid the other day at a stoplight. I wasn't sure whether it was a mild hybrid or one of the dual-modes they've been promising. When the light turned green, I anticipated it leaving, however, there was a pregnant pause -- it seemed longer but was likely about 2 seconds -- and suddenly, it shot through the intersection with brown smoke spewing out of the tailpipe. My guess was that the I/C motor failed to instantaneously start. As I understand the process, when you release the brake the motor should fire up. It's possible that the driver, as many still do, apply left foot braking and, by doing so may press the excellerator before fully releasing the brake causing a slight confusion in the restart procedure. By the look of it, the driver had the gas pedal to the floor when it, finally, fired up.
Quote from: Tave on April 27, 2009, 10:41:07 PM
I only have one: the jackass in a 3/4- or full-ton who feels the need to romp on the throttle at every stoplight and spit clouds of smelly diesel smoke at me.
In their defense, riding that wave of turbodiesel torque is kinda fun.
But yeah, being behind a diesel truck is probably the worst.
Also fun are the guys in SUVs who drive them like sports cars. I passed a guy on the way to Salida a couple of month ago and he proceeded to try to stay on my ass, until we hit a tight winding canyon road. He stuck with me for like two corners and then his sense of self-preservation kicked in and I lost him. Also I was following a Dakota down the canyon between Loveland and Estes Park and he frakkin' slid off the road in a semi-spin and tagged a guard rail right in front of me, because rather than slowing down for me to pass him he just kept speeding up. I kinda felt bad because I was definitely "pushing" him, but then again it would have been better judgement on his part to just realize his vehicle couldn't maintain that pace and just back off and let the line of cars behind him pass.
So in summary: Diesel trucks, Trucks/SUVs trying to drive like sports cars, and any vehicle that doesn't know when to just move over and let others pass.
Quote from: R-inge on April 28, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
In their defense, riding that wave of turbodiesel torque is kinda fun.
But yeah, being behind a diesel truck is probably the worst.
Also fun are the guys in SUVs who drive them like sports cars. I passed a guy on the way to Salida a couple of month ago and he proceeded to try to stay on my ass, until we hit a tight winding canyon road. He stuck with me for like two corners and then his sense of self-preservation kicked in and I lost him. Also I was following a Dakota down the canyon between Loveland and Estes Park and he frakkin' slid off the road in a semi-spin and tagged a guard rail right in front of me, because rather than slowing down for me to pass him he just kept speeding up. I kinda felt bad because I was definitely "pushing" him, but then again it would have been better judgement on his part to just realize his vehicle couldn't maintain that pace and just back off and let the line of cars behind him pass.
So in summary: Diesel trucks, Trucks/SUVs trying to drive like sports cars, and any vehicle that doesn't know when to just move over and let others pass.
:lol:
I've never driven anything that handles as bad as a Dakota. It feels like the rear axle is not even connected to the frame.
On the flip side of that, I was driving an Exploder up Highway 1 north of San Francisco to Stinson Beach, along some seriously twisty roads. I caught up to a guy in a Ferrari 328 who decided to punch it. being the mildly competetive sort, and loving to be in the "underdog" position, I chased him down. It was a blast and he couldn't seem to figure out how this mere SUV was keeping up with him. lol! I had the Exploder for a week while out there and the first thing I had done was inflate the tires properly...
I've also loved how well the Range Rovers cornered. I mean, as you say, they aren't sports cars and don't have to be, but they do corner pretty flat and are really stable and predictable.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 28, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Cop cars and gravel trucks. :rage:
For some reason, cop cars feel compelled to go at the speed limit when there's a lot of traffic around. Coupled with the fact that the guy behind, reasonably becoming very impatient, is riding right up my tailpipe.
OMG I hate it when cops do that :rage:
I'd change up my list and put them at #1, but in all honesty, I've recently noticed most cops slipping right past traffic. I don't have a problem with that at all, but don't give me a ticket when I need to be someplace soon, either :rolleyes:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 28, 2009, 09:05:51 AM
:wub:
you're a sick, sick man.
Quote from: R-inge on April 28, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
In their defense, riding that wave of turbodiesel torque is kinda fun.
It is, and I love to open them up too. All our worktrucks are now diesel Rams.
But I try to be considerate to the people behind me (unless they're tailgating :lol:), and it's not like you can have much fun stoplight to stoplight. You tech-ers are the worst. :evildude:
Quote from: R-inge on April 28, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
Also fun are the guys in SUVs who drive them like sports cars. I passed a guy on the way to Salida a couple of month ago and he proceeded to try to stay on my ass, until we hit a tight winding canyon road. He stuck with me for like two corners and then his sense of self-preservation kicked in and I lost him. Also I was following a Dakota down the canyon between Loveland and Estes Park and he frakkin' slid off the road in a semi-spin and tagged a guard rail right in front of me, because rather than slowing down for me to pass him he just kept speeding up. I kinda felt bad because I was definitely "pushing" him, but then again it would have been better judgement on his part to just realize his vehicle couldn't maintain that pace and just back off and let the line of cars behind him pass.
I know exactly what you mean. Whenever people come upon me in the mountains, they figure I'm going to drive super slow because the Aveo is such a tin can, so they start to creep up to pass, and then we hit the twisties and I never see them again. :lol:
Worst vehicle to be behind are Ram trucks and Durangos. I find the majority of their drivers are road assholes either being rednecks fucks in the Ram, or idiot housewives in the Durango. Fucking asshats.
Also cop cars. Fuck the police.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 28, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
you're a sick, sick man.
I love the W123. :wub:
Best Mercedes' ever made - ever. I want one and it doesn't matter if it is a 200D or a 280E. :rockon:
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-280_E_1976_photo_05.jpg)
Good topic!
6. Cell phone talker - the weaving, the camping, it's just frustrating as much as it is an impediment
5. Any Diesel rig - I can smell that stench from a 1/4 mile
4. Impatient Ricer - the aggressive tailgater/weaver - it's just an annoyance just to have to watch it
3. Semis - so many of 'em are lumbering in the left and middle lanes that anyone immediately following one is destined to caught up in the insanity of so many people trying to pass
2. Dump trucks - few if any cover their loads, and they're usually the worst of the polluters
1. Road buffalos (RVs) - inevitable combining the very worst - elderly drivers and too-big vehicles - both massively unsafe and an extreme impediment
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 29, 2009, 10:19:54 AM
I love the W123. :wub:
Best Mercedes' ever made - ever. I want one and it doesn't matter if it is a 200D or a 280E. :rockon:
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-280_E_1976_photo_05.jpg)
280CE would be nice.
Just out of morbid curiosity, how much hp does the 200D have? I'd be terrified driving that thing on the no-limit stretches of the autobahn.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 29, 2009, 11:33:22 AM
280CE would be nice.
Just out of morbid curiosity, how much hp does the 200D have? I'd be terrified driving that thing on the no-limit stretches of the autobahn.
Terrified? The left lane is for passing........
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 29, 2009, 11:33:22 AM
280CE would be nice.
Just out of morbid curiosity, how much hp does the 200D have? I'd be terrified driving that thing on the no-limit stretches of the autobahn.
The 200D had 55-horsepower, took 33.2 seconds to reach 100 km/h and had a top speed of 133 km/h. It was mainly used by taxi fleets but a lot of them also were bought by private buyers.
There was also a 220D which had 60-horsepower, took 29 seconds to reach 100 km/h and could almost reach 140 km/h. The 200D was later upgraded to 60-hp and that was the end for the 220D.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 29, 2009, 11:39:19 AM
Terrified? The left lane is for passing........
I imagine driving a 55-hp car that tops out at 85 mph on a highway with no speed limit would be a hair-raising experience, but in a very bad way.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 29, 2009, 12:05:46 PM
The 200D had 55-horsepower, took 33.2 seconds to reach 100 km/h and had a top speed of 133 km/h. It was mainly used by taxi fleets but a lot of them also were bought by private buyers.
There was also a 220D which had 60-horsepower, took 29 seconds to reach 100 km/h and could almost reach 140 km/h. The 200D was later upgraded to 60-hp and that was the end for the 220D.
I can imagine it would make sense in a taxi, but extremely ill-suited for the highway.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 29, 2009, 12:21:19 PM
I imagine driving a 55-hp car that tops out at 85 mph on a highway with no speed limit would be a hair-raising experience, but in a very bad way.
I can imagine it would make sense in a taxi, but extremely ill-suited for the highway.
From what I gather, the left lane moves at 120-130 km/h.........you just can't pass.
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Any car whose driver is too short to be seen.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 29, 2009, 12:31:45 PM
From what I gather, the left lane moves at 120-130 km/h.........you just can't pass.
Topping out your car just so it can keep up with traffic is not my idea of a pleasant drive
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2. Buick Park Avenue
3. Buick Century
4. Buick Regal
5. Buick Rendezvous
6. Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera
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10. Dump trucks full of loose gravel and/or poop and/or trash
Quote from: NACar on April 29, 2009, 01:39:31 PM
1. Buick Rendezvous
2. Buick Park Avenue
3. Buick Century
4. Buick Regal
5. Buick Rendezvous
6. Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera
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10. Dump trucks full of loose gravel and/or poop and/or trash
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Quote from: Vinsanity on April 29, 2009, 12:21:19 PM
I can imagine it would make sense in a taxi, but extremely ill-suited for the highway.
Not really. Most people cruise on the Autobahns at around 120-130 km/h so the 200D would have been right at home at a 120-130 km/h cruising speed. It will probably drive better at 120 km/h since at 133 km/h I imagine it must really be loud.
I've driven the 200D W123 by the way. It's pretty "quick" from 0-80 km/h but from 80-100 km/h it takes awhile. It's also very solid. Feels like a tank. Driving at high speed on the 'Bahn with one isn't a problem. :ohyeah:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 29, 2009, 05:08:51 PM
Not really. Most people cruise on the Autobahns at around 120-130 km/h so the 200D would have been right at home at a 120-130 km/h cruising speed. It will probably drive better at 120 km/h since at 133 km/h I imagine it must really be loud.
I've driven the 200D W123 by the way. It's pretty "quick" from 0-80 km/h but from 80-100 km/h it takes awhile. It's also very solid. Feels like a tank. Driving at high speed on the 'Bahn with one isn't a problem. :ohyeah:
Still, I maintain that having to Vmax a car to keep up with traffic isn't an ideal situation. I'm sure the rest of the car is well-built for autobahn driving, I would be highly annoyed at a car that "takes awhile" to accelerate from 50 to 62 mph.
Oh, and 120-130 km/h isn't really "high speed" at all. Let me know when you're able to make one of those old Benzes sustain 160 km/h.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 29, 2009, 05:29:55 PM
Oh, and 120-130 km/h isn't really "high speed" at all. Let me know when you're able to make one of those old Benzes sustain 160 km/h.
Obviously overtaking in a 200D is going to be a bitch, but it's a cruiser at heart anyway and the most economical W123. If you want to reach 160 km/h then you'll need a 300D Turbodiesel, the latter which was only sold here in estate form. The 240D could barely reach 144 km/h and the 300D topped out at 148 / 155 km/h.
Besides, most people drive at 130 km/h. It's a proven speed that is both relatively economical (at that velocity) and not as stressful. I regularly cruise at 130 km/h even if I am on a stretch of Autobahn with no speed limit. Have you ever driven a sustained speed over 160 km/h? It's quite stressful. When I sped home from the 'Ring I was driving between 170-180 and often 210 km/h on the Autobahn A9 Frankfurt - Munich - driving at such speeds requires full concentration and control at all times. At 130-140 (150) km/h you still make good time and can drive relatively relaxed.
We don't have good roads like the autobahn in my section of the US, so the fastest I can go with any comfort is around 90 mph, which is around 130-140 km/hr. On the autobahn, that would be a very comfortable cruising speed, but around here, it's pushing it a bit.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 30, 2009, 05:43:10 AM
Obviously overtaking in a 200D is going to be a bitch, but it's a cruiser at heart anyway and the most economical W123. If you want to reach 160 km/h then you'll need a 300D Turbodiesel, the latter which was only sold here in estate form. The 240D could barely reach 144 km/h and the 300D topped out at 148 / 155 km/h.
Besides, most people drive at 130 km/h. It's a proven speed that is both relatively economical (at that velocity) and not as stressful. I regularly cruise at 130 km/h even if I am on a stretch of Autobahn with no speed limit. Have you ever driven a sustained speed over 160 km/h? It's quite stressful. When I sped home from the 'Ring I was driving between 170-180 and often 210 km/h on the Autobahn A9 Frankfurt - Munich - driving at such speeds requires full concentration and control at all times. At 130-140 (150) km/h you still make good time and can drive relatively relaxed.
If we had no-limit sections of highway in the U.S. Interstate system, I'd be doing 160 km/h whenever traffic opened up sufficiently to do so. The fastest I've sustained recently on such an occasion was only 140 km/h on the way home from Vegas, but that's because the crosswinds were picking up, and it was dark.
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All cars.
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Quote from: dazzleman on April 30, 2009, 06:35:54 AM
We don't have good roads like the autobahn in my section of the US, so the fastest I can go with any comfort is around 90 mph, which is around 130-140 km/hr. On the autobahn, that would be a very comfortable cruising speed, but around here, it's pushing it a bit.
What about those "no limit" highways in Montana?
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on April 30, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
What about those "no limit" highways in Montana?
How often do you think I make it to Montana, man? :lol:
I'd love to go there for the driving, but I think they've now imposed speed limits.
I drove home from the airport in Hartford (CT) last night at 1 AM. It was a great drive. I was in the 80-90 mph range most of the time. No traffic = fun driving.
Quote from: dazzleman on April 30, 2009, 02:22:42 PM
How often do you think I make it to Montana, man? :lol:
About as often as I make it to the Autobahn! :lol:
What pisses me off is getting stuck behind pussies in genuinely fast cars that have no rightful business cruising at or under the speed limit.
Quote from: dazzleman on April 30, 2009, 02:22:42 PM
How often do you think I make it to Montana, man? :lol:
I'd love to go there for the driving, but I think they've now imposed speed limits.
Technically, yes. But I don't think they enforce it very much if you are on an empty road and aren't driving dangerously.
Quote from: sandertheshark on April 30, 2009, 06:14:38 PM
What pisses me off is getting stuck behind pussies in genuinely fast cars that have no rightful business cruising at or under the speed limit.
Maybe they're just one ticket away from losing their license, and have to be careful. I've known a lot of people who've been in that situation and have had to slow down temporarily until some of their points dropped off.
Or maybe they are just pussies who have the car for show, and can't handle it.
Quote from: dazzleman on April 30, 2009, 07:08:48 PM
Maybe they're just one ticket away from losing their license, and have to be careful. I've known a lot of people who've been in that situation and have had to slow down temporarily until some of their points dropped off.
Or maybe they are just pussies who have the car for show, and can't handle it.
It's mostly Corvette owners.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 30, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
If we had no-limit sections of highway in the U.S. Interstate system, I'd be doing 160 km/h whenever traffic opened up sufficiently to do so. The fastest I've sustained recently on such an occasion was only 140 km/h on the way home from Vegas, but that's because the crosswinds were picking up, and it was dark.
It gets boring after awhile (driving fast), seriously. Plus you always have to be alert, even more at higher speeds than at lower. After I returned to Munich from the 'Ring and after having hours of high-speed driving behind me I was literally beyond exhausted, physically and mentally. Hence I prefer to cruise at 130 or 140 km/h and drive fast when I really need to get somewhere quickly. :ohyeah:
Stop trying to justify your pussy behavior Wimmer...:evildude:
Pinto in front, Audi 5000 behind. :mask:
Quote from: dazzleman on May 01, 2009, 05:16:11 AM
Stop trying to justify your pussy behavior Wimmer...:evildude:
Exactly :lol:
It really depends on the traffic conditions and the car you are in. I regularly speed over 200 km/h even on longer stretches when in the right car and with not a lot of traffic. In more dense traffic more than 160 km/h gets dangerous as there are always some "blind" people pulling out in front of you at 100-120 km/h. Most of the time you have so many left-lane campers that you go as fast as the ones before you, which is around 120-140 most of the time...
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True dat.
Quote from: dazzleman on May 01, 2009, 05:16:11 AM
Stop trying to justify your pussy behavior Wimmer...:evildude:
Pussy? I had the 118i of my sister maxed out at 235 km/h. What has your 530i reached in the US? :winkguy:
Who's the pussy now? :devil:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 01, 2009, 06:07:56 PM
Pussy? I had the 118i of my sister maxed out at 235 km/h. What has your 530i reached in the US? :winkguy:
Who's the pussy now? :devil:
Haha, you're right. I've only reached 100 mph, which is around 150 km/hr.
Quote from: dazzleman on May 01, 2009, 06:23:21 PM
Haha, you're right. I've only reached 100 mph, which is around 150 km/hr.
Take a vacation in Montana. :ohyeah:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 01, 2009, 06:25:14 PM
Take a vacation in Montana. :ohyeah:
That's what I need to do. It was very difficult to get the car up to 100 mph on these roads in the northeast, and I couldn't keep it at that speed for more than a minute or so. Plus, I have the problem that if I got busted at that speed, I'd probably get arrested rather than just ticketed. So Montana is the best option.... :ohyeah:
But Montana has had speed limits for over 10 years now.
Quote from: NACar on May 01, 2009, 06:39:45 PM
But Montana has had speed limits for over 10 years now.
I don't care. It's physically possible to go a lot faster there and maintain that speed without constant obstructions as we have in this part of the country.
Quote from: dazzleman on May 01, 2009, 06:46:20 PM
I don't care. It's physically possible to go a lot faster there and maintain that speed without constant obstructions as we have in this part of the country.
Northern Maine is closer for you.
Quote from: NACar on May 01, 2009, 06:47:19 PM
Northern Maine is closer for you.
That might work. It's probably about 8 hours for me, right?
Quote from: dazzleman on May 01, 2009, 06:47:55 PM
That might work. It's probably about 8 hours for me, right?
About 5 hours to where I'm at, and if you go 3 hours north of here, you'll be in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.
I hate getting stuck behind anything built between 1988 and 1995- they always stink. A lot. and it doesn't matter if you roll up your windows or turn off your airflow- it still gets into the car somehow.
:lockedup:
It should be illegal- oh wait- it is.
Quote from: rohan on May 02, 2009, 01:06:48 AM
I hate getting stuck behind anything built between 1988 and 1995- they always stink. A lot. and it doesn't matter if you roll up your windows or turn off your airflow- it still gets into the car somehow.
:lockedup:
It should be illegal- oh wait- it is.
My car doesn't stink at all.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 01, 2009, 06:07:56 PM
Pussy? I had the 118i of my sister maxed out at 235 km/h. What has your 530i reached in the US? :winkguy:
Who's the pussy now? :devil:
Methinks your speedometer was a bit optimistic (typical for German cars).
Quote from: MX793 on May 02, 2009, 08:30:25 AM
Methinks your speedometer was a bit optimistic (typical for German cars).
I have a navigation system that also displays your current speed. When I am doing 160 km/h it says I am doing 155 km/h. If I drive 200 km/h the navigation system tells me I am driving 195 km/h. If I was driving 235 km/h maybe I was actually doing 230 km/h. Either way the 118i has a high top speed. :praise:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 02, 2009, 08:34:48 AM
I have a navigation system that also displays your current speed. When I am doing 160 km/h it says I am doing 155 km/h. If I drive 200 km/h the navigation system tells me I am driving 195 km/h. If I was driving 235 km/h maybe I was actually doing 230 km/h. Either way the 118i has a high top speed. :praise:
GPS systems aren't all that accurate either. I can tell you right now that it's not physically possible for a 118i to hit 145 mph. It doesn't have the power or the aerodynamics to pull that off. Per Wikipedia, the 127 hp versions of the 118 tap out at between 200 and 210 km/h and newer models with the 140 hp motor max out at 210 km/h even. These jive with what I would expect from a car with that body shape and power output.
Quote from: MX793 on May 02, 2009, 08:48:11 AM
GPS systems aren't all that accurate either. I can tell you right now that it's not physically possible for a 118i to hit 145 mph. It doesn't have the power or the aerodynamics to pull that off. Per Wikipedia, the 127 hp versions of the 118 tap out at between 200 and 210 km/h and newer models with the 140 hp motor max out at 210 km/h even. These jive with what I would expect from a car with that body shape and power output.
We have the 143-horsepower 118i which officially does 210 km/h max. according to BMW. Why then does the tachometer show 235 km/h when I am maxing it out? :huh:
I'll take a look at some older issues of
Auto Motor und Sport and see how fast they clocked the 118i at.
Quote from: rohan on May 02, 2009, 01:06:48 AM
I hate getting stuck behind anything built between 1988 and 1995- they always stink. A lot. and it doesn't matter if you roll up your windows or turn off your airflow- it still gets into the car somehow.
:lockedup:
It should be illegal- oh wait- it is.
What an odd thing to say. :nutty:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 02, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
We have the 143-horsepower 118i which officially does 210 km/h max. according to BMW. Why then does the tachometer show 235 km/h when I am maxing it out? :huh:
I'll take a look at some older issues of Auto Motor und Sport and see how fast they clocked the 118i at.
Unless you were traveling down a hill, or had a really stiff tailwind (or some combination), a 140 hp car with hatchback aerodynamics isn't going to be able to reach those kinds of speeds. For a car with the 1er's size, weight, and aerodynamic characteristics, you'd need 142 hp just to reach 135 mph (218 km/h). But, a 142 hp car is only going to be putting maybe 120-125 hp to the ground due to drivetrain loss. With that much power available, a car like the 118 hatch is only going to be able to go about 130 mph (210 km/h), which aligns exactly with BMW's official claimed top speed.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on May 02, 2009, 04:38:35 PM
What an odd thing to say. :nutty:
You live in Michigan- are you going to tell me you don't get stuck behind these stink bombs fairly regularly? I know there aren't many in AA but up north they've gotta be just thick as theives.
Quote from: MX793 on May 02, 2009, 04:57:31 PM
Unless you were traveling down a hill, or had a really stiff tailwind (or some combination), a 140 hp car with hatchback aerodynamics isn't going to be able to reach those kinds of speeds. For a car with the 1er's size, weight, and aerodynamic characteristics, you'd need 142 hp just to reach 135 mph (218 km/h). But, a 142 hp car is only going to be putting maybe 120-125 hp to the ground due to drivetrain loss. With that much power available, a car like the 118 hatch is only going to be able to go about 130 mph (210 km/h), which aligns exactly with BMW's official claimed top speed.
But how come when I push it hard the tachometer needle goes to 230-235 km/h. I don't think wind has anything to do with it in this case as I have often drive "230 km/h" with the 118i.
Could it be that BMW claims 210 km/h but the car is actually faster? :huh:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 03, 2009, 04:08:07 AM
But how come when I push it hard the tachometer needle goes to 230-235 km/h. I don't think wind has anything to do with it in this case as I have often drive "230 km/h" with the 118i.
Could it be that BMW claims 210 km/h but the car is actually faster? :huh:
Unless that car is making a lot more power than BMW claims, it's not physically possible. I did the math. A car with the BMW's aerodynamics will need 150 hp at the wheels (which is over 170 hp at the motor) to go 230 km/h.
Quote from: MX793 on May 02, 2009, 08:30:25 AM
Methinks your speedometer was a bit optimistic (typical for German cars).
+1. Same with the GPS.
Quote from: MX793 on May 03, 2009, 08:49:43 AM
Unless that car is making a lot more power than BMW claims, it's not physically possible. I did the math. A car with the BMW's aerodynamics will need 150 hp at the wheels (which is over 170 hp at the motor) to go 230 km/h.
What did you base the aerodynamic drag friction on?
My wifes 06 330 convertible would go 145 with the top down. 145 was where the governor kicked in. It would have easily done 150-155 with the top down judging by the how obvious the governor was.
I am not saying you are wrong, but I would like to know about the variables you used.
And, for what it is worth, I have had the wifes X5 up to 120ish. But being as big as it is I did not have the courage to go any faster, even if it is not governed higher. I do not know where the governor is, but in an larger suv, that is plenty fast. :lol:
Quote from: hounddog on May 03, 2009, 04:01:41 PM
145 with the top down.
QuoteI have had the wifes X5 up to 120ish
:pullover: :pullover: :pullover: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? :pullover: :pullover: :pullover:
Retired.
No longer have to behave. :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on May 03, 2009, 08:49:43 AM
Unless that car is making a lot more power than BMW claims, it's not physically possible. I did the math. A car with the BMW's aerodynamics will need 150 hp at the wheels (which is over 170 hp at the motor) to go 230 km/h.
Ok, but what about aerodynamic efficiency? Or maybe the 6-speed automatic has a high ratio in the last two gears that enable a high top speed?
I just can't believe the 118i is going "210 km/h" when the tachometer is showing 235 km/h. When you drive at high speeds a lot you get a feel for them. I know what 200 km/h feels like and I would certainly know what 235 km/h feels like. When I am traveling at 235 km/h it definitely feels like 230 km/h+. The size of the car has little to do with it since the 1-Series is a pretty solid vehicle.
You went 145 mph with the top down? I have a hard time believing that.
Also, I agree with what Laconian said. :lol:
I did, it did it effortlessly. Well, until the governor kicked in. Why is that so hard to believe? Is it the wind, or that you do not think it could do it with the top down?
If it is the later, I can find the video where some military guy has a mustang convertible well over 140 on the autobahn.
I am now just as much a private citizen as anyone else on this board, and therefore, entitled to just as much leeway as everyone else. If anything, considering my vast training in high speed driving, and former certified instructor status, I am a far safer fast driver than most of you. :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 03, 2009, 04:11:34 PM
Ok, but what about aerodynamic efficiency? Or maybe the 6-speed automatic has a high ratio in the last two gears that enable a high top speed?
I just can't believe the 118i is going "210 km/h" when the tachometer is showing 235 km/h. When you drive at high speeds a lot you get a feel for them. I know what 200 km/h feels like and I would certainly know what 235 km/h feels like. When I am traveling at 235 km/h it definitely feels like 230 km/h+. The size of the car has little to do with it since the 1-Series is a pretty solid vehicle.
When I ran the numbers, I took into account the aerodynamic efficiency. A 118i has a drag coefficient of 0.29 and a frontal area of approximately 23 sq.ft. I also factored in rolling resistance (assuming that with a driver and some fuel, it weighs about 3000 lbs). It's a very simple calculation to determine how much horsepower is required to overcome wind resistance. I don't even need to consider gearing for this. Regardless of how it's geared, the fastest a 118i could ever hope to go is roughly 210 km/h. At that point, wind resistance equals the maximum amount of power the car has and it cannot go any faster. It has reached terminal velocity.
Next time you take it up that fast, have someone run a stopwatch with the mile (or km) markers on the highway and see what that tells you.
My question is where are you getting the 0.29 number? Along with; what did you use for the rolling friction numbers?
Please do not feel that I am not trying to prove you wrong, or embarass you or anything of the sort, I am just interested in the math.
Quote from: hounddog on May 03, 2009, 04:39:06 PM
My question is where are you getting the 0.29 number? Along with; what did you use for the rolling friction numbers?
Please do not feel that I am not trying to prove you wrong, or embarass you or anything of the sort, I am just interested in the math.
http://www.yenra.com/bmw-1-series/
"Together all of these characteristics facilitate further advantages such as optimal traction even when fully loaded and on hills. The drive and suspension concept is further enhanced by a particularly stiff body and excellent aerodynamics with a drag coefficient of just 0.29."
Interesting.
I am not at all familiar with that site, where do they normally get their info?
The number just seems very low for a car with such a blunt face, large grill openings and high windshield even though it is small.
I am not arguing it, or calling anyone out. It just seems like it is too low. I remember the Trans Am had somwhere around a 0.19 and it was far more aerodynamic than a 1 series is. Or so it seems.
Quote from: hounddog on May 03, 2009, 04:01:41 PM
What did you base the aerodynamic drag friction on?
My wifes 06 330 convertible would go 145 with the top down. 145 was where the governor kicked in. It would have easily done 150-155 with the top down judging by the how obvious the governor was.
I am not saying you are wrong, but I would like to know about the variables you used.
And, for what it is worth, I have had the wifes X5 up to 120ish. But being as big as it is I did not have the courage to go any faster, even if it is not governed higher. I do not know where the governor is, but in an larger suv, that is plenty fast. :lol:
Cd that I found for the 1-series hatch was 0.29 (which is surprisingly low, I would have though it'd be in the 0.32 range). I used 23 sq.ft for frontal area (width x height, I subtracted 6 inches from the height for ground clearance). Although it's a pretty minor contributor, the spreadsheet I have also factors rolling resistance, so I assumed 3000 lbs (which may actually be a little light for the automatic model with a driver and fuel).
If I'm not mistaken, 3 series convertibles were limited to 130 or 135 mph in the US. You may have been showing 145 when the limiter kicked in, but you may not have been going that fast. German speedometers are notoriously optimistic at high speeds. I've read reports of BMW M5s indicating 165 mph when their 155 mph governors kicked in (at an actual speed of 157 mph). There were some photos in I think C&D during a test on an AMG Mercedes where the speedo was showing well over 160 and the car had a 155 mph governor. Do not believe your speedometer.
Quote from: MX793 on May 03, 2009, 04:55:53 PM
Cd that I found for the 1-series hatch was 0.29 (which is surprisingly low, I would have though it'd be in the 0.32 range). I used 23 sq.ft for frontal area (width x height, I subtracted 6 inches from the height for ground clearance). Although it's a pretty minor contributor, the spreadsheet I have also factors rolling resistance, so I assumed 3000 lbs (which may actually be a little light for the automatic model with a driver and fuel).
If I'm not mistaken, 3 series convertibles were limited to 130 or 135 mph in the US. You may have been showing 145 when the limiter kicked in, but you may not have been going that fast. German speedometers are notoriously optimistic at high speeds. I've read reports of BMW M5s indicating 165 mph when their 155 mph governors kicked in (at an actual speed of 157 mph). There were some photos in I think C&D during a test on an AMG Mercedes where the speedo was showing well over 160 and the car had a 155 mph governor. Do not believe your speedometer.
I thought that the E46 verts were limited to 130, but I couldn't find any sources to verify that.
Quote from: hounddog on May 03, 2009, 04:50:30 PM
Interesting.
I am not at all familiar with that site, where do they normally get their info?
The number just seems very low for a car with such a blunt face, large grill openings and high windshield even though it is small.
I am not arguing it, or calling anyone out. It just seems like it is too low. I remember the Trans Am had somwhere around a 0.19 and it was far more aerodynamic than a 1 series is. Or so it seems.
No production street car has ever had a 0.19 Cd. I believe the lowest Cd on a street going production car is 0.26. Your typical car these days hovers between 0.29 and 0.34. Convertibles can approach 0.40 (especially top down).
Quote from: hounddog on May 03, 2009, 04:39:06 PM
My question is where are you getting the 0.29 number? Along with; what did you use for the rolling friction numbers?
Please do not feel that I am not trying to prove you wrong, or embarass you or anything of the sort, I am just interested in the math.
Rolling resistance is weight multiplied by a friction factor. Generally, a rubber tire on asphault has a factor of around .015.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 01, 2009, 06:07:56 PM
Pussy? I had the 118i of my sister maxed out at 235 km/h. What has your 530i reached in the US? :winkguy:
Who's the pussy now? :devil:
Holy crap! That's 146! I had no idea a 118i could go that fast.
I need to remove the limiter on my car. When I topped out the Passat, I had the feeling it could do another 20 (limited top at 130mph/209kmh). The Jetta is more powerful, a little lighter, and likely more aerodynamic.
Quote from: MX793 on May 03, 2009, 05:04:26 PM
Rolling resistance is weight multiplied by a friction factor. Generally, a rubber tire on asphault has a factor of around .015.
Uhhhh- he is an accident investigator- I think he was asking how you came up with a number - and he's an engineer. I'm guessing that's why he's interested in the math you did.
Quote from: Laconian on May 03, 2009, 04:08:23 PM
:pullover: :pullover: :pullover: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? :pullover: :pullover: :pullover:
:praise:
Every once in a while, I remember why I love this forum.
Quote from: rohan on May 03, 2009, 10:05:37 PM
Uhhhh- he is an accident investigator- I think he was asking how you came up with a number - and he's an engineer. I'm guessing that's why he's interested in the math you did.
And he just explained where he got the numbers from.
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 03, 2009, 10:07:50 PM
And he just explained where he got the numbers from.
Whatever. I was just saying that because I thought he might like to know he knew. Mr. Buttinski. :lol:
yes I know the irony in that.
Quote from: rohan on May 02, 2009, 01:06:48 AM
I hate getting stuck behind anything built between 1988 and 1995- they always stink. A lot. and it doesn't matter if you roll up your windows or turn off your airflow- it still gets into the car somehow.
:lockedup:
It should be illegal- oh wait- it is.
That's retarded. Seriously retarded. I see cars of that vintage and older all the time, and you're full of shit if you think that anything built in those years "stinks."
Quote from: NACar on May 01, 2009, 06:39:45 PM
But Montana has had speed limits for over 10 years now.
They re-installed the speed limits, but they didn't re-install anyone to enforce it. I've been over 140mph out there after the speed limit was put back on.
Quote from: ChrisV on May 04, 2009, 05:40:27 AM
They re-installed the speed limits, but they didn't re-install anyone to enforce it. I've been over 140mph out there after the speed limit was put back on.
Oh. Looks like I'll be moving to Montana, then.
For a few years after they put the signs back up, anything up to 120 on a somewhat empty interstate would get you a $20 ticket, but the fines are higher now.
Quote from: Tave on May 04, 2009, 08:01:09 AM
For a few years after they put the signs back up, anything up to 120 on a somewhat empty interstate would get you a $20 ticket, but the fines are higher now.
Oh. Looks like there's no reason to move there, then.
It just strikes me as odd that a speedometer can be that far off - especially coming from a German car which are going to be all about precision given the rules and regulations we have in this country. :huh:
I even started a thread about this on GCZ to hear other opinions.
Link: http://www.germancarzone.com/1-series/29252-can-bmw-118i-reach-235-km-h.html
By law, Australian speedometers 'need only display the speed to an accuracy of +/- 10% at speeds above 40 km/h', which is nice of them. :rolleyes:
Quote from: rohan on May 03, 2009, 10:05:37 PM
Uhhhh- he is an accident investigator- I think he was asking how you came up with a number - and he's an engineer. I'm guessing that's why he's interested in the math you did.
I don't really care why he's interested in the numbers, just happy he is. I thought he was looking for where I got the hard numbers, not for the math involved
Rolling resistance coefficients are pretty easy to find on the web. IIRC, I got the 0.015 number from my old Engineering Statics text book. Unfortunately, I don't have that one on hand (I think it's on my bookshelf at work) to confirm. I had a spreadsheet stashed away on my computer that calculates and plots power required versus vehicle speed over a range of vehicle speeds and all of the constants were already stored there.
The Cd number I found published on the web in an article/press release about the car (I believe it was from an Australian site/publication).
The equation for drag power is:
(0.5 * rho * Cd * A * V^3) + (W * Cfr * V) = Pd
Where
rho = density of air (I used .00238 slug per cu.ft., which is STP density)
Cd = Aerodynamic drag coefficient (I used the published 0.29)
A = Frontal area (I used 23 sq.ft., calculated from the height and width of the car, assuming 6" of ground clearance)
V = Vehicle speed
W= Vehicle weight (I used 3000 lbs, which may have been a little on the light side)
Cfr = Coefficient of Rolling resistance (I used 0.015)
I divided the entire thing by a factor of 550 to convert to units of horsepower since I was using units of lb-ft/sec.
How about this.
I once pushed a 2007 Mercedes C180 Kompressor (W203) 5-speed automatic all the way up to 230 km/h. That car had a 143-horsepower supercharged 4-cylinder engine. I believe the official top speed was listed as 215-220 km/h.
Overoptimistic speedometer again? Or maybe just a tall gear ratio in 5th? :huh:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 04, 2009, 05:49:12 PM
How about this.
I once pushed a 2007 Mercedes C180 Kompressor (W203) 5-speed automatic all the way up to 230 km/h. That car had a 143-horsepower supercharged 4-cylinder engine. I believe the official top speed was listed as 215-220 km/h.
Overoptimistic speedometer again? Or maybe just a tall gear ratio in 5th? :huh:
Yes, it was an overoptimistic speedometer. If the car doesn't have enough power to physically reach that speed, a tall gear ratio won't help you get there nor allow you to go faster (in fact, it could result in a lower top speed). I read an article just yesterday where the car being tested was a BMW M5 with a 155 mph limiter. The tester said that the speedometer showed 165 mph when they hit the limiter. Their independant test equipment (either a radar/laser speed gun or perhaps some kind of 5th wheel device) indicated 157 mph. That's an 8 mph (13 km/h) difference between what the speedometer said and the actual speed of the vehicle.
There are three limits to a vehicle's top speed.
1) Artificial limit (e.g. an electronic governor). The manufacturer programs the car to cut off the fuel once a certain speed is reach. These cars can be made to go faster by reprogramming the computer to remove or raise the limiter.
2) Redline, or Gearing Limited. Some cars are able to hit redline in top gear, which prevents them from going any faster. With a redline limited car, you can get more speed by changing to taller gears. This is the only case where a taller gear will allow the car to go faster.
3) Drag, or Power, limited. When a car is drag limited, it means that its top speed occurs when the force of the aerodynamic drag equals the force that the engine can put to the road in top gear. There are only two ways to get more speed in a drag limited car. First, you can add more engine power. Second, and this is conditional, if the gearing is too tall, the car may not be able to take full advantage of all of its power in top gear. A shorter gear can sometimes result in a little more speed. In fact, there are many cars that reach their maximum speed in their second highest gear rather than their top gear. A Corvette, for instance, reaches top speed in 5th gear, not 6th.
What I'm talking about with these cars is the theoretical maximum drag limited top speed. The theoretical maximum drag limited top speed is the speed at which the power of the wind resistance (wind drag multiplied by vehicle speed) equals the maximum power of the engine measured at the wheels. This tells you how fast the car could ever possibly go if given ideal gearing to take full advantage of the power the engine is making. When real world gearing is taken into account, more often than not the real drag limited speed of the vehicle is less than it's theoretical maximum drag limited speed.
Quote from: MX793 on May 04, 2009, 06:09:48 PM
Yes, it was an overoptimistic speedometer. If the car doesn't have enough power to physically reach that speed, a tall gear ratio won't help you get there nor allow you to go faster (in fact, it could result in a lower top speed). I read an article just yesterday where the car being tested was a BMW M5 with a 155 mph limiter. The tester said that the speedometer showed 165 mph when they hit the limiter. Their independant test equipment (either a radar/laser speed gun or perhaps some kind of 5th wheel device) indicated 157 mph. That's an 8 mph (13 km/h) difference between what the speedometer said and the actual speed of the vehicle.
There are three limits to a vehicle's top speed.
1) Artificial limit (e.g. an electronic governor). The manufacturer programs the car to cut off the fuel once a certain speed is reach. These cars can be made to go faster by reprogramming the computer to remove or raise the limiter.
2) Redline, or Gearing Limited. Some cars are able to hit redline in top gear, which prevents them from going any faster. With a redline limited car, you can get more speed by changing to taller gears. This is the only case where a taller gear will allow the car to go faster.
3) Drag, or Power, limited. When a car is drag limited, it means that its top speed occurs when the force of the aerodynamic drag equals the force that the engine can put to the road in top gear. There are only two ways to get more speed in a drag limited car. First, you can add more engine power. Second, and this is conditional, if the gearing is too tall, the car may not be able to take full advantage of all of its power in top gear. A shorter gear can sometimes result in a little more speed. In fact, there are many cars that reach their maximum speed in their second highest gear rather than their top gear. A Corvette, for instance, reaches top speed in 5th gear, not 6th.
What I'm talking about with these cars is the theoretical maximum drag limited top speed. The theoretical maximum drag limited top speed is the speed at which the power of the wind resistance (wind drag multiplied by vehicle speed) equals the maximum power of the engine measured at the wheels. This tells you how fast the car could ever possibly go if given ideal gearing to take full advantage of the power the engine is making. When real world gearing is taken into account, more often than not the real drag limited speed of the vehicle is less than it's theoretical maximum drag limited speed.
Great explanation. Very detailed. :ohyeah:
Was this M5 test the the one from Motor Trend against the CTS-V?
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 04, 2009, 06:13:24 PM
Great explanation. Very detailed. :ohyeah:
Was this M5 test the the one from Motor Trend against the CTS-V?
It was a Motortrend article titles "No Speed Limit(ers)!" I saw reproduced/republished at a site called automotive.com.
Quote from: MX793 on May 04, 2009, 06:16:56 PM
It was a Motortrend article titles "No Speed Limit(ers)!" I saw reproduced/republished at a site called automotive.com.
:ohyeah:
Oh dear, Wimmer's been lying all this time about how manly Europeans can pull X kph with rinky-dink engines. :lol:
SO, what I don't understand about all this is: if BMWs are truly limited to 155mph, obviously they have hardware that is capable of accurately instrumenting speed. Why not hook the speedometer to THAT sensor?
Quote from: Laconian on May 04, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
Oh dear, Wimmer's been lying all this time about how manly Europeans can pull X kph with rinky-dink engines. :lol:
SO, what I don't understand about all this is: if BMWs are truly limited to 155mph, obviously they have hardware that is capable of accurately instrumenting speed. Why not hook the speedometer to THAT sensor?
Reduce the chance of speeding tickets?
Quote from: MX793 on May 04, 2009, 08:04:02 PM
Reduce the chance of speeding tickets?
Make Dazzleman feel like a rebel?
I have the same question, Laconian.
I wonder if the speed limiter has to do with a certain RPM (which should be accurately measured by the dashboard tachometer) in top gear (which the car should be able to sense easily enough), as opposed to a wheel speed sensor or however the regular speedometer works (which may very well be how I just described :lol: ).
You know how everyone is always looking to Europe about how "we dont need cars with 1,000,000 hp to get moving! Look at how fast Europeans are going" Well, apparently, they weren't going that fast :evildude:
Quote from: Psilos on May 05, 2009, 12:14:48 AM
I have the same question, Laconian.
I wonder if the speed limiter has to do with a certain RPM (which should be accurately measured by the dashboard tachometer) in top gear (which the car should be able to sense easily enough), as opposed to a wheel speed sensor or however the regular speedometer works (which may very well be how I just described :lol: ).
Even though the speedometers are off, the odometers on those cars are supposedly very accurate. Speed limiter may be tied to the Odo sensor. That, or the speedometer "error" is actually intentional and accounted for.
Quote from: MX793 on May 05, 2009, 04:26:09 AM
the speedometer "error" is actually intentional and accounted for.
It is.. Car and Driver did an article about it a few years ago. European regulations require that manufacturers add some percentage error to the speedo to account for those that add larger diameter tires/wheels to their car. I'll see if I can find it online, but I think it was the late 90s that it was in the mag.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/features_classic_cars/speedometer_scandal_feature+page-2.html
Hrmph: reading all this, I need to test the speedometers in my cars against the little Nuvi GPS Nav unit. IIRC the speedometers typically read +3mph of the Nav at highway speeds - but I need to recheck.
This brings up the question of the safe margin of illegality. Given that you typically would not get a ticket if you are within 10 mph of the posted speed limit, I should be able to set the cruise for a speedometer-indicated 82mph and be OK.... just about... officer... sorry, but... I just upgraded the firmware in my Garmin; it was fine before that... so it's really not my fault.
When I was driving over to Minnesota this past winter, the little Garmin showed a speed that was within one mph of what the digital speedo on my Civic .
Hah, very funnt Laconian. It is good to feel like a rebel...:lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on May 05, 2009, 07:01:54 PM
Hah, very funnt Laconian. It is good to feel like a rebel...:lol:
...even if you're as square as a Borg cube. ;) :lol:
That's right Psilos. Now go smoke some more weed, DOOOOOD..:lol:
:lol:
As I keep telling Benzene, I hardly smoke anymore. I'm probably as square as you at this point. ;)
Quote from: Psilos on May 06, 2009, 11:20:53 PM
:lol:
As I keep telling Benzene, I hardly smoke anymore. I'm probably as square as you at this point. ;)
"Benzodiazepine" is more apropos.
Quote from: ChrisV on May 04, 2009, 05:39:17 AM
That's retarded. Seriously retarded. I see cars of that vintage and older all the time, and you're full of shit if you think that anything built in those years "stinks."
Right- because they're always so well maintained. :rolleyes: People who drive older cars like that do it because they dont' have a lot of money and aren't going to maintain them
because they don't have a lot of money. And if you don't maintain them and tune them up they stink. don't believe me? Come to Michigan and we can go for a drive- within 10 minutes you'll see what I mean.
Quote from: Psilos on May 06, 2009, 11:20:53 PM
:lol:
As I keep telling Benzene, I hardly smoke anymore. I'm probably as square as you at this point. ;)
Who 'you calling square, d00d? :heated: :lol:
[You're right, though. My only real rebellion left is speeding. Please don't take that away from me..... :cry:]
Quote from: dazzleman on May 09, 2009, 10:06:58 AM
Who 'you calling square, d00d? :heated: :lol:
[You're right, though. My only real rebellion left is speeding. Please don't take that away from me..... :cry:]
Sorry, dazzle, we have to install this 55 mph limiter on your BMW...
:lol:
Quote from: rohan on May 09, 2009, 06:52:42 AM
Right- because they're always so well maintained. :rolleyes: People who drive older cars like that do it because they dont' have a lot of money and aren't going to maintain them because they don't have a lot of money. And if you don't maintain them and tune them up they stink. don't believe me? Come to Michigan and we can go for a drive- within 10 minutes you'll see what I mean.
Nope, still retarded.
Quote from: rohan on May 09, 2009, 06:52:42 AM
Right- because they're always so well maintained. :rolleyes: People who drive older cars like that do it because they dont' have a lot of money and aren't going to maintain them because they don't have a lot of money. And if you don't maintain them and tune them up they stink. don't believe me? Come to Michigan and we can go for a drive- within 10 minutes you'll see what I mean.
Don't worry, I make my Camaro smell like berries or root beer sometimes. :lol: