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Is that a SHO?
Quote from: NACar on May 16, 2009, 06:32:28 PM
Is that a SHO?
Yes, thats his "beater" SHO, a '92 ATX. He also has a '95 MTX which he's trying to sell now that he has a new toy.
Need to get rid of that Camry.
Quote from: NACar on May 16, 2009, 06:49:05 PM
Need to get rid of that Camry.
Yeah, embarrassing. :facepalm:
Nice Miata. :rockon:
Pft, Accord FTL.
(Nice car! One of the few affordable exotics that aren't going to kick your butt with repairs!)
I LOVE the NSX. I drove one briefly, but stalled it before I could do anything worth speaking about.
However, I have been in one going 120 mph. Man, that engine has some sound. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
NICE. Would love having one myself.
Are those beaded seat covers on that MX-5? If so then =FAIL
How much?
Camry and Miata belong to the previous owner. Guy is in his late 50s and is still very enthusiastic about driving. He drives the Miata daily in the summer, the Camry is his wifes.
I wasn't sure what to think about my buddy buying the car, but its only been 2 days and I think its one of the best things he's ever done. He's never been all that enthusiastic about driving just for drivings sake. He bought his '95 MTX SHO and has barely driven it.
Today he was pretty much sitting in the garage waiting for the rain to stop with his keys in hand. As soon as the sun cleared he fired it up and rolled it out, lol...
I don't think my gf is particularly pleased that I've been just cruising around in it with him, but meh, lol....
It has full Tein suspension, DC Sports Headers and I'm not sure about the muffler. Yet it still rides quite comfortably, and is pretty muted when cruising.
Its kinda funny actually. Even he admitted that when you are just putting around it doesn't really seem like anything particularly special, very easy to drive. Give it a little juice though and all hell breaks loose. Everything just reacts instantaneously.
He needs more time driving stick though and driving the car in general. He's shifting it under 4000rpms most of the time now which is kinda boring since the couple times he has opened it up, its just a f'in mind blowing sound and acceleration.
I'm sure eventually I'll get a chance behind the wheel, but I'll wait until he's ready for that.
Kinda scary though, it will go 200kph in 3rd :eek:
Open top?
What year is it?
Quote from: Raza on May 16, 2009, 10:55:20 PM
Open top?
What year is it?
1992. NSX-T started in 1995.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 16, 2009, 11:00:58 PM
1992. NSX-T started in 1995.
Ah.
It can't be all that fast though, not by today's standards. That's one of the reasons that even though I like the NSX a lot, but I can't see myself ever buying one. It seems like such a bad value.
Quote from: Raza on May 16, 2009, 11:09:12 PM
Ah.
It can't be all that fast though, not by today's standards. That's one of the reasons that even though I like the NSX a lot, but I can't see myself ever buying one. It seems like such a bad value.
*numbers from one source, but pretty much in line with what you will find.
0-60: 5.3s
1/4: 13.8s @ 101mph
To me thats fast. Only a handful of what I would consider "regular" cars would keep up.
The value of the car was never in straight performance as it usually isn't with Honda's "sports" cars.
The NSX was the first entirely aluminum production car and it caused the likes of Ferrari, Porsche, etc.. to get off their ass and take notice. It pioneered (or damn near did) several things we take for granted today. Things like DBW throttle, titanium con-rods, etc... It was also largely hand built with one person being responsible for the assembly of each engine from start to finish.
What does suck is that Honda largely failed to capitalize on what they had. Few people realize just how special the car really was (and still is). Lots of people quick to whine about the "tiny" engine, ignoring the fact that it was just as fast if not faster than its competitors at the time.
Consider the recent article with Gordon Murray. The NSX was a large part of his inspiration in building the almighty McLaren F1. If thats not credit for just how good the NSX was, I don't know what is.
I, for one, think it's a pretty kick ass car. I saw one back in February (a 2001 or so with the exposed headlights), and the old design still looks stunning in person.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 16, 2009, 11:29:43 PM
*numbers from one source, but pretty much in line with what you will find.
0-60: 5.3s
1/4: 13.8s @ 101mph
To me thats fast. Only a handful of what I would consider "regular" cars would keep up.
The value of the car was never in straight performance as it usually isn't with Honda's "sports" cars.
The NSX was the first entirely aluminum production car and it caused the likes of Ferrari, Porsche, etc.. to get off their ass and take notice. It pioneered (or damn near did) several things we take for granted today. Things like DBW throttle, titanium con-rods, etc... It was also largely hand built with one person being responsible for the assembly of each engine from start to finish.
What does suck is that Honda largely failed to capitalize on what they had. Few people realize just how special the car really was (and still is). Lots of people quick to whine about the "tiny" engine, ignoring the fact that it was just as fast if not faster than its competitors at the time.
Consider the recent article with Gordon Murray. The NSX was a large part of his inspiration in building the almighty McLaren F1. If thats not credit for just how good the NSX was, I don't know what is.
I found 5.7-6.0 for the 1992 from three or four different sources. :huh:
The original version had 260 hp (IIRC), and then they bumped it to 290 with the 3.2 liter car.
Quote from: Raza on May 16, 2009, 11:36:36 PM
I found 5.7-6.0 for the 1992 from three or four different sources. :huh:
I just found an older Sports Car International mag that claimed they got 5.03 and 13.46 @ 105.6mph. That would be an anomaly as far as what I've seen mentioned for the car, but low 5s is definitely pretty common for a pre 1997 NSX.
1997 and after high 4s were common thanks to the extra 20hp and gear.
Quote from: the Teuton on May 16, 2009, 11:46:35 PM
The original version had 260 hp (IIRC), and then they bumped it to 290 with the 3.2 liter car.
270hp from the 3.0L, but you are correct, 290hp with the 3.2L that arrived in 1997.
The auto models were all 3.0L and detuned to 252hp with a 7500rpm redline instead of the 8000rpm of the stick models.
Quote from: Raza on May 16, 2009, 11:09:12 PM
Ah.
It can't be all that fast though, not by today's standards. That's one of the reasons that even though I like the NSX a lot, but I can't see myself ever buying one. It seems like such a bad value.
Well, look at it this way. You can buy one used for about the price of a stripper WRX. It will keep up with the WRX in a straight line (actually outrun it if you give it enough room) and when you hit the twisties the Scoob will be miles away in not a whole lot of time. To me that's a pretty good deal. Sure it's a used car, but I'm willing to bet you can find one that was owned and cared for by a dentist or some other rich type that's in perfect, garage-kept condition.
I'd love one as a 3rd car.
Quote from: R-inge on May 17, 2009, 07:48:59 AM
Sure it's a used car, but I'm willing to bet you can find one that was owned and cared for by a dentist or some other rich type that's in perfect, garage-kept condition.
I'd love one as a 3rd car.
That's pretty much what happened, except replace dentist with chiropractor. I mean this guy didn't want us to come get it until he had the one wheel speed sensor replaced. He also bought a replacement trim bit for the top of the windshield that had shrunk a bit.
I'll have more pictures of it soon but it really is in immaculate shape for a 17yr old car.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 16, 2009, 08:22:59 PM
NICE. Would love having one myself.
Are those beaded seat covers on that MX-5? If so then =FAIL
Those are beaded covers alright. :facepalm:
Nice ride! I like that year (styling wise) more than the exposed headlight versions. Same with the older Miatas.
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on May 17, 2009, 11:29:09 AM
Nice ride! I like that year (styling wise) more than the exposed headlight versions. Same with the older Miatas.
I agree. I can't stand the fixed headlamp NSX.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 17, 2009, 11:39:47 AM
I agree. I can't stand the fixed headlamp NSX.
I think I could stand one.
Neato!
I like how long it took everyone to actually start talking about the subject of the thread. :lol:
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 16, 2009, 11:29:43 PM
*numbers from one source, but pretty much in line with what you will find.
0-60: 5.3s
1/4: 13.8s @ 101mph
To me thats fast. Only a handful of what I would consider "regular" cars would keep up.
Honestly the 101mph trap speed says it all. The NSX launches well because of the weight over the rear tires, but that 101mph trap speed is pretty commonplace by today's standards. I agree with Raza, the NSX wasn't even that fast when it came out (for it's price), and it's certainly not that fast in today's world. Cars are actually shockingly fast today. There are far far more than a handful of affordable cars with trap speeds around 100mph. In fact the V6 versions of the biggest volume passenger car sellers, the Accord and Camry trap around that.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/quickest_cars_0_60_mph/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_20_000_to_25_000_feature
Mazda 6 s
Base Price: $24,800
98 mph trap
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT
Base Price: $24,844
100 mph trap
Toyota Camry V-6
Base Price: $24,935
99 mph trap
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Sedan
Base Price: $24,095
102 mph trap
Mazdaspeed 3
Base Price: $23,410
101 mph trap
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/quickest_cars_0_60_mph/the_quickest_cars_of_2009_25_000_to_30_000_feature
Nissan Altima Sedan / Coupe
Base Price: sedan / coupe $25,875 / $27,585
100 mph trap
Dodge Caliber SRT4
Base Price: $25,470
101 trap
Honda Accord V-6 Manual Coupe
Base Price: $29,625
102 mph trap
Ford Mustang GT
Base Price: $28,005
103 mph trap
Subaru Impreza WRX
Base Price: $25,690
102 mph trap.
On the way home from work today I must have passed about 15 V6 Camrys and Accords. Any one of those would give an early run NSX a good run for its money from a roll, even more so now that those NSX's are getting on 17-19 years old.
Quote from: 565 on May 17, 2009, 03:25:59 PM
Honestly the 101mph trap speed says it all. The NSX launches well because of the weight over the rear tires, but that 101mph trap speed is pretty commonplace by today's standards. I agree with Raza, the NSX wasn't even that fast when it came out (for it's price), and it's certainly not that fast in today's world. Cars are actually shockingly fast today. There are far far more than a handful of affordable cars with trap speeds around 100mph. In fact the V6 versions of the biggest volume passenger car sellers, the Accord and Camry trap around that.
.....
On the way home from work today I must have passed about 15 V6 Camrys and Accords. Any one of those would give an early run NSX a good run for its money from a roll, even more so now that those NSX's are getting on 17-19 years old.
I'll agree that its not that fast in a straight line by todays standards. The fact that all but three of the cars in your list are FWD is pretty shocking indeed considering the numbers.
However, I have to disagree that it wasn't when it was released. When it came out it outdid a 348, 355, and is still faster around a track than some cars with 100hp+ advantage.
I think the ultimate point is being missed here though. If the goal was a drag car he could have bought one for a lot cheaper. Whether or not any of those cars could keep up is irrelevant to the driving experience provided by the NSX, not to mention the build quality and exclusivity.
The NSX was fast for it's time. And it isn't slow now if you ask me. It has almost super car looks without the headaches. I think it's a great car. And I'm not a Honda fan.
Figures I've seen for early 90s NSXs put them around 5.5 to 60 and a 13.9 1/4 mile. That's about on par with an LT1 Corvette or Porsche 911 of that vintage and a few ticks quicker than a pricier Ferrari 348.
Quote from: MX793 on May 17, 2009, 04:28:14 PM
Figures I've seen for early 90s NSXs put them around 5.5 to 60 and a 13.9 1/4 mile. That's about on par with an LT1 Corvette or Porsche 911 of that vintage and a few ticks quicker than a pricier Ferrari 348.
Everyone talks about how it's faster than a 348, sure that's true and all, but the fact is the 348 wasn't all that fast. We have to look at the car against the entire competition, not just one car. Like you said, it's about on par with an LT-1 Vette, which happened to cost alot less. The NSX was also about on par with the 300ZX turbo, which was also released the same time (actually a few months ahead of the NSX in the states), and that also cost less. And by the time the FD RX-7, Mitsu VR-4, and ultimately the MKIV Supra rolled around in just a couple of years, the NSX was certainly nothing special in outright speed especially in comparison to the rest of the field. Look at all these cars trapping at ~100mph, or in the case of the Supra, much beyond. The NSX was priced closer to a ZR-1 or Viper than these cars, and it certainly didn't have that kind of speed.
http://www.300zx.cl/ga3/300zx3/images/car3005.jpg
Quote from: 565 on May 17, 2009, 06:33:35 PM
Everyone talks about how it's faster than a 348, sure that's true and all, but the fact is the 348 wasn't all that fast. We have to look at the car against the entire competition, not just one car. Like you said, it's about on par with an LT-1 Vette, which happened to cost alot less. The NSX was also about on par with the 300ZX turbo, which was also released the same time (actually a few months ahead of the NSX in the states), and that also cost less. And by the time the FD RX-7, Mitsu VR-4, and ultimately the MKIV Supra rolled around in just a couple of years, the NSX was certainly nothing special in outright speed especially in comparison to the rest of the field. Look at all these cars trapping at ~100mph, or in the case of the Supra, much beyond. The NSX was priced closer to a ZR-1 or Viper than these cars, and it certainly didn't have that kind of speed.
http://www.300zx.cl/ga3/300zx3/images/car3005.jpg
Perhaps a better comparison would be a Timex vs a Rolex. Anyone that can't appreciate what makes a Rolex a lot more expensive would perceive the Rolex to be a waste of money, I mean they both tell time right?
Quote from: 565 on May 17, 2009, 06:33:35 PM
Everyone talks about how it's faster than a 348, sure that's true and all, but the fact is the 348 wasn't all that fast. We have to look at the car against the entire competition, not just one car. Like you said, it's about on par with an LT-1 Vette, which happened to cost alot less. The NSX was also about on par with the 300ZX turbo, which was also released the same time (actually a few months ahead of the NSX in the states), and that also cost less. And by the time the FD RX-7, Mitsu VR-4, and ultimately the MKIV Supra rolled around in just a couple of years, the NSX was certainly nothing special in outright speed especially in comparison to the rest of the field. Look at all these cars trapping at ~100mph, or in the case of the Supra, much beyond. The NSX was priced closer to a ZR-1 or Viper than these cars, and it certainly didn't have that kind of speed.
http://www.300zx.cl/ga3/300zx3/images/car3005.jpg
One thing it had over MOST of these cars is reliability and it held it value better.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 17, 2009, 03:52:23 PM
I'll agree that its not that fast in a straight line by todays standards. The fact that all but three of the cars in your list are FWD is pretty shocking indeed considering the numbers.
However, I have to disagree that it wasn't when it was released. When it came out it outdid a 348, 355, and is still faster around a track than some cars with 100hp+ advantage.
I think the ultimate point is being missed here though. If the goal was a drag car he could have bought one for a lot cheaper. Whether or not any of those cars could keep up is irrelevant to the driving experience provided by the NSX, not to mention the build quality and exclusivity.
Oh it's not that I don't think it's not a good car. I just wanted to point out that in 20 years time, straightline speed has improved to the point that many many affordable cars (some of them dedicated family sedans) can match the NSX's straightline performance. Everyone likes to talk about how the 1960s was the golden era for performance, but I think right now (or at least a few years ago) was really the peak of power in the hands of regular people.
I still maintain that even at the time of it's release, it's straightline speed wasn't that impressive. I mean I know because I remember at the time of its release, auto journalists weren't that impressed with the straightline speed considering it's price. I was pretty young at the time of the NSX's release and it was also when I first got into cars, so I read car reviews like the bible. Like you said the NSX was never a straightline speed car.
Also I will say something that will shock alot of you, but on the track the NSX wasn't as fast as everyone remembers it to be. Mostly people were impressed more by it's character than it's actual speed. In fact I don't recall ever reading a magazine comparo from that time where the NSX managed to out lap the Supra Turbo.
In fact I do remember an article from 1990, the year of the NSX's release when the NSX was actually outlapped by the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4.
In fact here is that part of the article.
(http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Media/magazines/1990-12-mt-h.jpg)
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 17, 2009, 06:39:04 PM
Perhaps a better comparison would be a Timex vs a Rolex. Anyone that can't appreciate what makes a Rolex a lot more expensive would perceive the Rolex to be a waste of money, I mean they both tell time right?
Actually that is not a good comparison. A Timex vs Rolex comparison would be something like a Nissan GT-R vs a 911 Turbo. One without brand prestige against the benchmark one with brand prestige. Honda's Acura brand at the time had pretty much no recognition, as it was new, and Honda was just like any other Japanese automaker. The biggest selling point for the NSX over the European competition was actually functionality and promised reliability, at the cost of brand prestige of a Ferrari or Porsche. So if anything the NSX would be like the watch that Timex (Honda) made to compete with Rolex (Ferrari) on the promise it told time more clearly and more reliably.
Uh, but no family sedan is running 13.7 sec 1/4 times (at least yet). The NSX is quite a machine 10, 15 and even 20 years later.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 17, 2009, 07:15:54 PM
Uh, but no family sedan is running 13.7 sec 1/4 times (at least yet). The NSX is quite a machine 10, 15 and even 20 years later.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=124876
Quote from: 565 on May 17, 2009, 07:23:53 PM
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=124876
Cant believe that car is going the way of the dinosaur. :cry:
Quote from: 565 on May 17, 2009, 07:01:54 PM
Actually that is not a good comparison. A Timex vs Rolex comparison would be something like a Nissan GT-R vs a 911 Turbo. One without brand prestige against the benchmark one with brand prestige. Honda's Acura brand at the time had pretty much no recognition, as it was new, and Honda was just like any other Japanese automaker. The biggest selling point for the NSX over the European competition was actually functionality and promised reliability, at the cost of brand prestige of a Ferrari or Porsche. So if anything the NSX would be like the watch that Timex (Honda) made to compete with Rolex (Ferrari) on the promise it told time more clearly and more reliably.
I didn't mean to compare in terms of brand prestige (in that sense Acura still blows) but rather craftsmanship and attention to detail.
The NSX is/was a hand built gem with great attention to detail. Things like a 23 step paint process, one person assembly of each engine, etc...
When it came out, the NSX was around $60,000. At that same time, the Diablo was around $200,000, and it ran to 60 mph in about 4.5 seconds and only some versions hit 202 mph -- the fastest ever in 1990. 5.6 seconds and 160 mph don't sound that bad for 1/3 of the price. And by comparison of 1992, the 415 hp Viper RT/10 wasn't much better at anything but acceleration than the NSX, much less refinement, for the same price.
Yeah, the NSX wasn't that powerful, and by today's standards, it's a bit outclassed by your average Solstice GXP. But for the time it came out, it was an amazing machine. And it still is.
However, when this happens, you know that all good things must come to an end.
(http://spbcar.ru/news/en/i/2009-01-13/01_mugen_nsx_rr_580op.jpg)
I would gladly rock a Type R or a Type Zero S NSX. Yeah, the fake scoop is a bit over the top (literally), but the car is awesome otherwise.
Quote from: 565 on May 17, 2009, 06:33:35 PM
Everyone talks about how it's faster than a 348, sure that's true and all, but the fact is the 348 wasn't all that fast. We have to look at the car against the entire competition, not just one car. Like you said, it's about on par with an LT-1 Vette, which happened to cost alot less. The NSX was also about on par with the 300ZX turbo, which was also released the same time (actually a few months ahead of the NSX in the states), and that also cost less. And by the time the FD RX-7, Mitsu VR-4, and ultimately the MKIV Supra rolled around in just a couple of years, the NSX was certainly nothing special in outright speed especially in comparison to the rest of the field. Look at all these cars trapping at ~100mph, or in the case of the Supra, much beyond. The NSX was priced closer to a ZR-1 or Viper than these cars, and it certainly didn't have that kind of speed.
http://www.300zx.cl/ga3/300zx3/images/car3005.jpg
Published numbers I've seen for early 90s ZR-1s put them in the high 13s in the quarter mile, so not too much quicker than an NSX (of course, once the ZR1 got a power bump later on, it was a good bit quicker).
Quote from: Catman on May 17, 2009, 07:42:41 PM
Cant believe that car is going the way of the dinosaur. :cry:
Drive it. You aren't missing much.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 17, 2009, 03:52:23 PM
I'll agree that its not that fast in a straight line by todays standards. The fact that all but three of the cars in your list are FWD is pretty shocking indeed considering the numbers.
However, I have to disagree that it wasn't when it was released. When it came out it outdid a 348, 355, and is still faster around a track than some cars with 100hp+ advantage.
I think the ultimate point is being missed here though. If the goal was a drag car he could have bought one for a lot cheaper. Whether or not any of those cars could keep up is irrelevant to the driving experience provided by the NSX, not to mention the build quality and exclusivity.
The NSX was a great car. Great looking, groundbreaking in its reliability (but it wasn't faster than a 355), and it never got the respect it deserved.
The car will be remembered for changing the way manufacturers built high end sports cars and GTs (I hesitate to say supercars, since I don't consider the NSX or its contemporaries supercars), but its individual performance (and even value on the used market) are not as noteworthy as you think. For some, the NSX is the be-all, end-all, but the S2000 all but outdid it when it came out. I remember watching a video of a race driver taking the S2000 around the Ring and mentioning that it goes through corners as quickly or more quickly than the NSX he drove.
Mid 13s are not fast? Since when?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/VTEC_Inside/NSX/stDSC_8723.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/VTEC_Inside/NSX/stDSC_8746.jpg)
I prefer them when the tops could be painted to match. But that's a clean looking NSX and I'd take it in a heartbeat.
mmm NSX, i've seen people shave 100lbs and keep it looking stock inside and out.
Really hope they turn that G8 into some kind of Chevy. Such a nice car... :(
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 17, 2009, 09:13:01 PM
Drive it. You aren't missing much.
Right. Because the G8 isn't one of the best family sedans the Big 3 has put out in how long?
Quote from: Sigma Projects on May 18, 2009, 05:30:06 AM
mmm NSX, i've seen people shave 100lbs and keep it looking stock inside and out.
Really hope they turn that G8 into some kind of Chevy. Such a nice car... :(
And the G8 won't be a Chevy, at least not this generation anyway. A shame too. :facepalm:
Quote from: 565 on May 17, 2009, 07:23:53 PM
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=124876
G8 GT really not a family sedan IMO.
13.7 sec 1/4 mile time is still a pretty quick car today - not modern exotic car fast, but pretty fast nonetheless...
Quote from: 2o6 on May 17, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
However, when this happens, you know that all good things must come to an end.
(http://spbcar.ru/news/en/i/2009-01-13/01_mugen_nsx_rr_580op.jpg)
LOL. :facepalm:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 17, 2009, 10:05:14 PM
Mid 13s are not fast? Since when?
No, it is fast. For a car that costs 50 grand. Not 90+.
(E46 M3 ran 13.6 last I saw.)
Quote from: Raza on May 18, 2009, 11:10:03 AM
No, it is fast. For a car that costs 50 grand. Not 90+.
(E46 M3 ran 13.6 last I saw.)
It's not hard to make a car fast. I haven't driven one but just from the specs alone there aren't too many cars in the NSX' price range that have the same level of neutrality. Yes, in 2009 the 90K NSX is a silly proposition... but in 1989 even in 1989 dollars a 90K NSX was a hell of a bargain (and the bees knees). People speak of Porsche' build quality but I still hear of pretty gruesome and silly issues plaguing cars as late as the 996. The NSX was no more problematic than an Integra which is huge for a car of its caliber.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 18, 2009, 01:20:35 PM
It's not hard to make a car fast. I haven't driven one but just from the specs alone there aren't too many cars in the NSX' price range that have the same level of neutrality. Yes, in 2009 the 90K NSX is a silly proposition... but in 1989 even in 1989 dollars a 90K NSX was a hell of a bargain (and the bees knees). People speak of Porsche' build quality but I still hear of pretty gruesome and silly issues plaguing cars as late as the 996. The NSX was no more problematic than an Integra which is huge for a car of its caliber.
And I've also heard of Ferrari-like out-of-warranty costs for the NSX. So it goes both ways on that. But then again, I remember reading a Classic Motorsports where they put a bunch of RS clones to the test on track. 20-30 year old Porsches, being abused on track all day long. Not a single car had a fault. Not even one drop of oil.
If the NSX were priced along the Corvette, we'd never have this discussion. Period. If it evolved as the competition moved on, we wouldn't have this discussion either. But it was not and did not, therefore it's called into question.
If I had one, I'd love it and defend it to the hilt. But would I buy one? With money that I had to earn? Probably not. For a basic 1990, you're still looking at 20K or so. That buys a lot of used Boxster on the market. For an open top car? Probably 30. And that buys an Elise on the used market.
Meh, who cares. They just built it so they could make a race car out of it and qualify.
:huh:
I could see myself with a nice lightly-used NSX-T as a second car someday. To me, the money buys extra refinement over a Vette and more exclusivity than a Porsche.
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 18, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
I could see myself with a nice lightly-used NSX-T as a second car someday. To me, the money buys extra refinement over a Vette and more exclusivity than a Porsche.
Acura has more exclusivity than Porsche?
Better think on that one. Sure, there are just a few NSXs running around, but there are thousands upon thousands of Acuras. If you're looking to impress laypeople, the NSX probably won't do it.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1063355#msg1063355 date=1242703047
Acura has more exclusivity than Porsche?
Better think on that one. Sure, there are just a few NSXs running around, but there are thousands upon thousands of Acuras. If you're looking to impress laypeople, the NSX probably won't do it.
Neither would a Porsche in that area.
I would love an NSX. To me the equivalent modern day supercar is the Audi R8. It's actually almost slow in a straight line compared to the current crop of sub 4 second cars on the market. It's the corners and refinement where it excels. The R8 also happens to be right near the top of my list of most desirable new cars and the NSX is near the top of my most desirable used car list.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1063355#msg1063355 date=1242703047
Acura has more exclusivity than Porsche?
Better think on that one. Sure, there are just a few NSXs running around, but there are thousands upon thousands of Acuras. If you're looking to impress laypeople, the NSX probably won't do it.
There are so many Porsches on the road these days that they don't even turn heads anymore. The NSX still turns heads.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1063355#msg1063355 date=1242703047
Acura has more exclusivity than Porsche?
Better think on that one. Sure, there are just a few NSXs running around, but there are thousands upon thousands of Acuras. If you're looking to impress laypeople, the NSX probably won't do it.
Are you out of your mind? The NSX gets huge amounts of attention from bystanders!! Hell, the noise alone gets attention! The NSX is one of those cars where few people care about the badge, like the Viper and GT-R.
Quote from: R-inge on May 18, 2009, 07:32:07 AM
I disagree.
It's nowhere near as good as the magazines would have you believe. It's nowhere near as good as everyone wants to think it is either. The steering is lifeless, the interior materials are shit, and the body roll is more then in the new Fusion. It's a nice car, and with the current discounts it's a no brainer, but at full pop it's within $2000 of a G37 sedan.
There are now companies that specialize in making supercharger and mod kits for the NSX that can elevate it from one of the best cars of the early-1990s to one of the best performing cars around a track, period.
That, and I just love those thin 1990s pillars. None of that thick, awful styling here; just crisp, elegant styling.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 18, 2009, 09:25:50 PM
It's nowhere near as good as the magazines would have you believe. It's nowhere near as good as everyone wants to think it is either. The steering is lifeless, the interior materials are shit, and the body roll is more then in the new Fusion. It's a nice car, and with the current discounts it's a no brainer, but at full pop it's within $2000 of a G37 sedan.
lol, I love how you always act like you're the authority on a topic. It's funny.
<---Works at a Pontiac Dealer.
Are you OK with all of the dealer closings, Roy? Best of luck to you. /side note
If you prefer not to answer or whatever, it's cool.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 18, 2009, 09:20:08 PM
Neither would a Porsche in that area.
Yeah, it really would.
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 18, 2009, 09:23:11 PM
Are you out of your mind? The NSX gets huge amounts of attention from bystanders!! Hell, the noise alone gets attention! The NSX is one of those cars where few people care about the badge, like the Viper and GT-R.
I've seen plenty, and I'm always the only one looking. GT-Rs don't seem to really turn heads for any good reason either.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 18, 2009, 09:21:45 PM
There are so many Porsches on the road these days that they don't even turn heads anymore. The NSX still turns heads.
See, you guys are saying that like it's true. I've owned a Porsche. You get lots of attention.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1063385#msg1063385 date=1242704248
Yeah, it really would.
I love me some Porsche. But you see them all over the place. I don't even bother looking much anymore when I see or pass one.
An NSX on the other hand will turn my head every time. You just don't see them all that often. And let's face it, most Porsche cars
look the damn same every year.
Quote from: Raza on May 18, 2009, 09:39:05 PM
See, you guys are saying that like it's true. I've owned a Porsche. You get lots of attention.
Nothing looks like a Porsche. I can still see a low slung car like an NSX grabbing a lot of attention from people who mistake it for a Lotus or Ferrari.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 18, 2009, 09:39:51 PM
I love me some Porsche. But you see them all over the place. I don't even bother looking much anymore when I see or pass one.
An NSX on the other hand will turn my head every time. You just don't see them all that often. And let's face it, most Porsche cars
look the damn same every year.
Apparently you people all live next to a Porsche factory. Yes, I see Porsches everyday, and they still turn heads; from me and laypeople alike. I never knew motorists were so talkative until I drove one in traffic with the top down.
But what you're saying is "there are so many Porsches that people don't look at Porsches anymore." And then in the same breath you say "this Acura is a rare Acura, so even though there are a lot of Acuras it doesn't matter that it's an Acura."
Look, I'm not an image person. I'm just saying it how I see it when I see other people see it. People will look at it for a second, as Teuton said, perhaps mistaking it for a Ferrari (no one even knows what a Lotus is, man), then think it's an Integra unless they know what it is. I don't care how it looks. The badge isn't there.
And again, this is nothing against the car. I don't personally care if the badge is there or not. People who don't know, though, they do. So saying that Porsches aren't as exclusive as Acuras are is ridiculous.
Never before have I noticed so many Porsches on the road until I drove around in a 996 convertible. They're common enough that you don't really notice them on the road; whereas I'll always notice an NSX no matter what.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1063403#msg1063403 date=1242704740
Apparently you people all live next to a Porsche factory. Yes, I see Porsches everyday, and they still turn heads; from me and laypeople alike. I never knew motorists were so talkative until I drove one in traffic with the top down.
But what you're saying is "there are so many Porsches that people don't look at Porsches anymore." And then in the same breath you say "this Acura is a rare Acura, so even though there are a lot of Acuras it doesn't matter that it's an Acura."
Look, I'm not an image person. I'm just saying it how I see it when I see other people see it. People will look at it for a second, as Teuton said, perhaps mistaking it for a Ferrari (no one even knows what a Lotus is, man), then think it's an Integra unless they know what it is. I don't care how it looks. The badge isn't there.
And again, this is nothing against the car. I don't personally care if the badge is there or not. People who don't know, though, they do. So saying that Porsches aren't as exclusive as Acuras are is ridiculous.
I'm not trying to say a Acura is an exclusive car. Most of them are FWD boring turds.
But most people have no idea WTF an NSX is. And most people don't know what and Acura badge looks like. So when they see an NSX they think it's something way more exclusive then what it really is.
Fact is then average person knows nothing at all about cars. Nothing.
I've seen people stand around the NSX at local cars shows and you'd think it was a Ferrari F-40 or something with the way they talked about it. People just don't know about this shit.
And I do see Porsches all over the place in my town. A Boxster or Cayman are a dime a dozen around here. I see more of them then I do Miata's.
Quote from: the Teuton on May 18, 2009, 09:31:56 PM
Are you OK with all of the dealer closings, Roy? Best of luck to you. /side note
If you prefer not to answer or whatever, it's cool.
Yeah, apparently we sell all of like 5 Pontiacs a month anyway, so it's not like things would change drastically. And there are still enough on the road that need fixing.
/sidenote
Quote from: Raza on May 18, 2009, 09:45:40 PM
Apparently you people all live next to a Porsche factory. Yes, I see Porsches everyday, and they still turn heads; from me and laypeople alike. I never knew motorists were so talkative until I drove one in traffic with the top down.
But what you're saying is "there are so many Porsches that people don't look at Porsches anymore." And then in the same breath you say "this Acura is a rare Acura, so even though there are a lot of Acuras it doesn't matter that it's an Acura."
That statement makes sense to me because most Porsches look alike, whereas the NSX is obviously unlike any other in the Acura line.
QuoteLook, I'm not an image person. I'm just saying it how I see it when I see other people see it. People will look at it for a second, as Teuton said, perhaps mistaking it for a Ferrari (no one even knows what a Lotus is, man), then think it's an Integra unless they know what it is. I don't care how it looks. The badge isn't there.
I don't follow. How can someone think a car is a Ferrari for a second, an then think that it's an Integra? Did I miss another one of your signature hyperbolic statements?
QuoteAnd again, this is nothing against the car. I don't personally care if the badge is there or not. People who don't know, though, they do. So saying that Porsches aren't as exclusive as Acuras are is ridiculous.
The NSX is more exclusive than the Boxster. The NSX is also more exclusive than the Carerra. Sorry you took such offense to my short-hand statement that the NSX is more exclusive than a Porsche.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1063403#msg1063403 date=1242704740
Apparently you people all live next to a Porsche factory. Yes, I see Porsches everyday, and they still turn heads; from me and laypeople alike. I never knew motorists were so talkative until I drove one in traffic with the top down.
But what you're saying is "there are so many Porsches that people don't look at Porsches anymore." And then in the same breath you say "this Acura is a rare Acura, so even though there are a lot of Acuras it doesn't matter that it's an Acura."
Look, I'm not an image person. I'm just saying it how I see it when I see other people see it. People will look at it for a second, as Teuton said, perhaps mistaking it for a Ferrari (no one even knows what a Lotus is, man), then think it's an Integra unless they know what it is. I don't care how it looks. The badge isn't there.
And again, this is nothing against the car. I don't personally care if the badge is there or not. People who don't know, though, they do. So saying that Porsches aren't as exclusive as Acuras are is ridiculous.
That's like saying the Ford GT isn't exclusive because there are hundreds of millions of Fords on public roads. That's stupid.
Quote from: R-inge on May 18, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
lol, I love how you always act like you're the authority on a topic. It's funny.
<---Works at a Pontiac Dealer.
In case you haven't noticed, I was in love with the G8 GT. I wanted one so bad I could hardly think of anything else. I had one as my signature for a while. Then I drove the V6 version and reality slapped me in the face. It ain't that good. So I thought, "Maybe it's just the V6 version". So I took a G8 GT for a test drive. Yes it was blazing fast, but the steering still sucked, the interior materials are still shit, the body roll was unacceptable, and you feel every single one of those 4000 lbs. It was disappointing. There are lots of highs to this car though.
Like I said though, with the current discounts ($9500 here) I would pick one up in a heartbeat if I was in the market. But at full pop, I would rather spring for the G37 sedan.
Quote from: GoCougs on May 18, 2009, 09:23:47 AM
G8 GT really not a family sedan IMO.
13.7 sec 1/4 mile time is still a pretty quick car today - not modern exotic car fast, but pretty fast nonetheless...
Up until MY09, you could get the lower-spec Commodore Berlina with the same 361hp V8 as in the more expensive SS-V/GT, but for $10k less. Very rare, I believe, but very appealing to those after the ultimate Q-ship:
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carpoint/15196372.jpg)
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carpoint/15196377.jpg)
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carpoint/15196378.jpg)
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Quote from: HEMI666 on May 18, 2009, 11:30:40 PM
In case you haven't noticed, I was in love with the G8 GT. I wanted one so bad I could hardly think of anything else. I had one as my signature for a while. Then I drove the V6 version and reality slapped me in the face. It ain't that good. So I thought, "Maybe it's just the V6 version". So I took a G8 GT for a test drive. Yes it was blazing fast, but the steering still sucked, the interior materials are still shit, the body roll was unacceptable, and you feel every single one of those 4000 lbs. It was disappointing. There are lots of highs to this car though.
Like I said though, with the current discounts ($9500 here) I would pick one up in a heartbeat if I was in the market. But at full pop, I would rather spring for the G37 sedan.
That sounds exactly like my impression of the Dodge Charger R/T (except I was never in love with it). Did you by chance ever get to drive one of those in comparison?
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 18, 2009, 11:38:33 PM
That sounds exactly like my impression of the Dodge Charger R/T. Did you by chance ever get to drive one of those in comparison?
Yes I have. It was about a year and a half ago though, but I found the Charger R/T to be a little more agile with slightly better steering, but you still feel every pound. Personally I prefer the G8 GT over the Charger R/T simply due to the styling and interior. The G8's interior materials are crap (though the interior looks good and is comfortable), but nowhere near as bad as the Charger's.
yikes, I would never have described the Charger to be agile or have good steering :mask:
but then again, I had literally stepped out of the s2000 and into the Charger for a test drive, so that may have affected my overall impression.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 18, 2009, 09:52:43 PM
I'm not trying to say a Acura is an exclusive car. Most of them are FWD boring turds.
But most people have no idea WTF an NSX is. And most people don't know what and Acura badge looks like. So when they see an NSX they think it's something way more exclusive then what it really is.
Fact is then average person knows nothing at all about cars. Nothing.
I've seen people stand around the NSX at local cars shows and you'd think it was a Ferrari F-40 or something with the way they talked about it. People just don't know about this shit.
And I do see Porsches all over the place in my town. A Boxster or Cayman are a dime a dozen around here. I see more of them then I do Miata's.
Yea same here. It's funny when I tell me gf the name of the NSX, she just says it sounds like SEX. And yea, seriously, people have no clue what an NSX is. And yea, more porsches than Miatas around here.
Quote from: Sigma Projects on May 19, 2009, 03:50:04 AM
Yea same here. It's funny when I tell me gf the name of the NSX, she just says it sounds like SEX. And yea, seriously, people have no clue what an NSX is. And yea, more porsches than Miatas around here.
People don't have a clue about cars. I can't tell you how many people have asked me what my car is over the years. I've gotten the "what kind of car is that" about 1-2 a month from people for years. And the couldn't believe it was a Mazda. I'm not sure WTF it looks like to them or how anyone couldn't know what a Miata is in the first place. So God knows what they think an NSX is?
The NSX is awesome. It's not the fastest but it's a 20 year old car. It still has a street presence that many modern supercars (e.g. 911) don't have.
BTW, nice NSX but I would probably change the rims if it were me. Cool though.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
A 911 doesn't turn heads?
An NSX doesn't turn heads?
Even in jaded ass downtown Manhattan they turn heads. You guys are nuts.
That said, given 30K I would probably go with a 996 C2S over an NSX just cause of the brand snobbery. Something about the interior of the NSX just screams "Acura Legend"
(http://www.premiumautomods.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/nsx.jpg)
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Quote from: HEMI666 on May 18, 2009, 11:30:40 PM
In case you haven't noticed, I was in love with the G8 GT. I wanted one so bad I could hardly think of anything else. I had one as my signature for a while. Then I drove the V6 version and reality slapped me in the face. It ain't that good. So I thought, "Maybe it's just the V6 version". So I took a G8 GT for a test drive. Yes it was blazing fast, but the steering still sucked, the interior materials are still shit, the body roll was unacceptable, and you feel every single one of those 4000 lbs. It was disappointing. There are lots of highs to this car though.
Like I said though, with the current discounts ($9500 here) I would pick one up in a heartbeat if I was in the market. But at full pop, I would rather spring for the G37 sedan.
Again, you speak in absolutes as if your opinion on the matter is final. All of the things you criticize are subjective, and things that another driver may not mind.
For example, I believe it has a good ride/handling trade-off. You can feel the car's weight shift around, but in reality it settles into a neutral stance, which tells me that it has good fundamental steering and suspension geometry for street use. It trades off a little more roll couple for a ride that isn't punishing, and a steering gear ratio that isn't razor sharp so that you can actually drive it comfortably all day long without constantly fighting to keep it in line, a la the Evo or other such cars.
Interior quality is subjective as well. I think it is well built where it matters (I don't grab hold of shit and yank it at random like some of you guys, so I don't care if the center console wobbles when you grab it), it looks good if a bit dour, and it functions well.
I guess the reason I'm going off on this tangent on this thread is that you are so outspoken in your opinion for the car that you drown out all others, which is a form of trolling. Anytime it's mentioned in a thread you must immediately set everybody straight about the car, when in reality yours is not the only opinion that matters on something as subjective as handling, steering feel, and interior design.
And to think, everyone hates my opinions of another make and silences me when I am outspoken about it. Yet when someone else does it with another make, it's fine.
I've (http://www.carspin.net/forums/Smileys/carspin/deadhorse.gif) a few times I realize, but I'm not the only one.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 19, 2009, 08:12:20 AM
Even in jaded ass downtown Manhattan they turn heads. You guys are nuts.
That's because 75% of the car population there is Crown Victorias, 20% Lincoln Town Cars, and 4% Toyota Siennas.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 19, 2009, 09:04:11 AM
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I totally and completely agree. I was just about to mention that the R8 and NSX were very similar in spirit. Both were made by luxury automakers not known for making such expensive cars. Both were built as a celebration for racing success, Honda for F1, and Audi for their R8 Lemans domination. Both are very refined, user friendly, and well balanced. Both are rather rare and exclusive. Finally both aren't as fast in a straightline as their similarly priced competition. Does that mean that they aren't amazing cars? Of course not, both are great cars.
Man, I wonder if we'll ever go back to the days of great styling and low slung cars. :cry:
Quote from: R-inge on May 19, 2009, 09:17:35 AM
Again, you speak in absolutes as if your opinion on the matter is final. All of the things you criticize are subjective, and things that another driver may not mind.
For example, I believe it has a good ride/handling trade-off. You can feel the car's weight shift around, but in reality it settles into a neutral stance, which tells me that it has good fundamental steering and suspension geometry for street use. It trades off a little more roll couple for a ride that isn't punishing, and a steering gear ratio that isn't razor sharp so that you can actually drive it comfortably all day long without constantly fighting to keep it in line, a la the Evo or other such cars.
Interior quality is subjective as well. I think it is well built where it matters (I don't grab hold of shit and yank it at random like some of you guys, so I don't care if the center console wobbles when you grab it), it looks good if a bit dour, and it functions well.
I guess the reason I'm going off on this tangent on this thread is that you are so outspoken in your opinion for the car that you drown out all others, which is a form of trolling. Anytime it's mentioned in a thread you must immediately set everybody straight about the car, when in reality yours is not the only opinion that matters on something as subjective as handling, steering feel, and interior design.
That's no different then how anyone else expresses their opinions on cars here.
BTW, I am the authority.
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 18, 2009, 09:58:22 PM
That statement makes sense to me because most Porsches look alike, whereas the NSX is obviously unlike any other in the Acura line.
I don't follow. How can someone think a car is a Ferrari for a second, an then think that it's an Integra? Did I miss another one of your signature hyperbolic statements?
The NSX is more exclusive than the Boxster. The NSX is also more exclusive than the Carerra. Sorry you took such offense to my short-hand statement that the NSX is more exclusive than a Porsche.
I didn't take offense, everyone else did when I said the NSX isn't going to impress anyone who doesn't know what it is already.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 18, 2009, 11:24:29 PM
That's like saying the Ford GT isn't exclusive because there are hundreds of millions of Fords on public roads. That's stupid.
It's only exclusive to the people who know.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 19, 2009, 09:04:11 AM
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Man, the NSX-T is so gorgeous though.
At the right price, I might have to take back everything I've said about the car.
I mean, look at it compared the R8. I like the R8. But compared to the NSX? No contest. As long as it's the cleaner flip-up lamp model.
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 12:29:08 PM
I didn't take offense, everyone else did when I said the NSX isn't going to impress anyone who doesn't know what it is already.
I know what it is and I'm always impressed and it turns my head when I see an NSX.
Quote from: thecarnut on May 19, 2009, 12:46:01 PM
I know what it is and I'm always impressed and it turns my head when I see an NSX.
As am I. I'm not talking about you.
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 12:46:51 PM
As am I. I'm not talking about you.
Oops, double negative. :mask:
:lol:
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 12:29:08 PM
I didn't take offense, everyone else did when I said the NSX isn't going to impress anyone who doesn't know what it is already.
I disagree in that it's a pretty impressive-looking car regardless of whether people actually know what it is. Some people still do think that it's a Ferrari because of it's low-slung mid-engine shape. This is not something that happens often with Fieros and MR2's.
Quote from: 565 on May 19, 2009, 11:21:15 AM
I totally and completely agree. I was just about to mention that the R8 and NSX were very similar in spirit. Both were made by luxury automakers not known for making such expensive cars. Both were built as a celebration for racing success, Honda for F1, and Audi for their R8 Lemans domination. Both are very refined, user friendly, and well balanced. Both are rather rare and exclusive. Finally both aren't as fast in a straightline as their similarly priced competition. Does that mean that they aren't amazing cars? Of course not, both are great cars.
The R8 also falls victim to something similar to the NSX, which is that because some cheaper cars perform similarly or better on paper that it makes people question the high MSRP. Cars like the GT-R, Corvette, etc. and even to a lesser extent the rally replicars.
Quote from: thecarnut on May 19, 2009, 12:48:13 PM
Oops, double negative. :mask:
:lol:
Hmm?
I was saying that I am impressed by the car when I see it.
But then I said that since you know what it is, I'm not talking about you when I talk about people who won't be impressed.
I just used fewer words.
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 19, 2009, 01:06:27 PM
I disagree in that it's a pretty impressive-looking car regardless of whether people actually know what it is. Some people still do think that it's a Ferrari because of it's low-slung mid-engine shape. This is not something that happens often with Fieros and MR2's.
Sure, until people figure out it's an Acura.
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 01:23:18 PM
Sure, until people figure out it's an Acura.
I bet people would be more impressed by an NSX than by a Boxster
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 19, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
I bet people would be more impressed by an NSX than by a Boxster
Doubt it.
"An NSX? Oh, my son/daughter has an RSX. Looks a little different though."
Did a quick check on Auto Trader. Cheapest NSX there is a 1991 with 91,000 kms for $36,900. I can't think of another car, short of a Ferrari, that's held its value so well.
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 19, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
I bet people would be more impressed by an NSX than by a Boxster
Probably depends on what impresses people. I think the Boxster is a nicer looking car, but the NSX is certainly more exotic looking. If that gets your blood flowing then great.
Quote from: Payman on May 19, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
Did a quick check on Auto Trader. Cheapest NSX there is a 1991 with 91,000 kms for $36,900. I can't think of another car, short of a Ferrari, that's held its value so well.
Supra, Defender.
Quote from: Payman on May 19, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
Did a quick check on Auto Trader. Cheapest NSX there is a 1991 with 91,000 kms for $36,900. I can't think of another car, short of a Ferrari, that's held its value so well.
That's quite a bit more expensive than I expected. I had read that you could find good examples for $25k.
Quote from: R-inge on May 19, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
That's quite a bit more expensive than I expected. I had read that you could find good examples for $25k.
I saw a couple first year models for 22 a few years back. I thought it was a screaming deal until I realized it was a 15 year old car that would get its ass handed to it by a C5 Corvette that will be easier and cheaper to maintain.
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 01:43:26 PM
Doubt it.
"An NSX? Oh, my son/daughter has an RSX. Looks a little different though."
Agree. Public stoopid. They can't comprehend beyond Acura vs Porsche.
Quote from: Payman on May 19, 2009, 01:47:45 PM
Agree. Public stoopid. They can't comprehend beyond Acura vs Porsche.
That's all I'm saying. Seconds later, everyone's nailing me to this giant plus sign and sticking a spear in my side.
Quote from: the Teuton on May 19, 2009, 01:44:48 PM
Supra, Defender.
True.
As for $20K NSX's, I read in a tuner magazine where they had a $25K ceiling to buy the best tuner platforms they could find. The NSX one guy bought for 25K turned out to be a real basket case, akin to picking up a $1000 Prelude.
Quote from: Payman on May 19, 2009, 01:51:31 PM
True.
As for $20K NSX's, I read in a tuner magazine where they had a $25K ceiling to buy the best tuner platforms they could find. The NSX one guy bought for 25K turned out to be a real basket case, akin to picking up a $1000 Prelude.
Although, according to Clarkson, at the time of the NSX's death, there had not been a single VTEC failure. That's pretty impressive.
I also remember reading that something like 75-80% of all Porsches ever sold were still on the road today. That's also impressive.
Quote from: R-inge on May 19, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
That's quite a bit more expensive than I expected. I had read that you could find good examples for $25k.
That $36,900 is in Canadian dollars.
FWIW, my buddy paid less than that and got:
-the original wheels (with worn out rubber on them), Fiske wheels on it
-the original suspension, full Tein suspension on it
-the original exhaust manifolds, DC sports headers on it along with some fancy stainless exhaust.
-the car cover
-all three original keys, the owners manual, etc....
His is a '92 that turned over 91,000kms on our way home that day.
Three keys? Two remotes and a wallet?
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 01:57:34 PM
Three keys? Two remotes and a wallet?
Two master including the original Monel metal key:
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The Valet key, and one of the original remotes (I dunno if they came with two or not)
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
That's all I'm saying. Seconds later, everyone's nailing me to this giant plus sign and sticking a spear in my side.
lawl
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 01:54:03 PM
Although, according to Clarkson, at the time of the NSX's death, there had not been a single VTEC failure. That's pretty impressive.
I also remember reading that something like 75-80% of all Porsches ever sold were still on the road today. That's also impressive.
I thought the Canuck currency was close to ours? (What do you call it btw? Dollars, or ???)
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
That's all I'm saying. Seconds later, everyone's nailing me to this giant plus sign and sticking a spear in my side.
Yeah, I get this question all the time
Them: Nice car, what is it
Me: a Lotus
Them: Who makes a Lotus?
Me: Uh.. Lotus..
Them: Oh..
But just looking at the car, the NSX turns more heads than a Porsche. Only thing that Porsche makes that would turn more heads than a NSX would probably be a Carrera GT.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 19, 2009, 02:00:19 PM
Two master including the original Monel metal key:
(http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/General/polishedkey1.jpg)
The Valet key, and one of the original remotes (I dunno if they came with two or not)
NSX never came with these keys. Unless it's only available for the first model year. The last NSX model still has the same key and remote as my RSX.
Quote from: R-inge on May 19, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
I thought the Canuck currency was close to ours? (What do you call it btw? Dollars, or ???)
The CAD is down to about 86 cents spot. But the markets are different, so you can't go by exchange rates if you want to ascertain value.
And yes, they do call them dollars.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on May 19, 2009, 02:00:19 PM
Two master including the original Monel metal key:
(http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/General/polishedkey1.jpg)
The Valet key, and one of the original remotes (I dunno if they came with two or not)
Interesting. I have three keys as well (two remote switchblades and a standard laser cut), I just didn't expect it to be the same way with an older car.
That's a cool looking key.
Quote from: NomisR on May 19, 2009, 02:24:39 PM
NSX never came with these keys. Unless it's only available for the first model year. The last NSX model still has the same key and remote as my RSX.
I think the pre-facelift cars came with them. The fixed-headlight cars have the cheap Acura fob and the normal key.
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 01:43:26 PM
Doubt it.
"An NSX? Oh, my son/daughter has an RSX. Looks a little different though."
I meant in the flesh; not in dropping names.
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 19, 2009, 02:48:32 PM
I meant in the flesh; not in dropping names.
It works in person too. As soon as you say what it is, people will immediately associate it with whatever Acura they know.
No one is going to see it, ask you about it, and say "Oh, it's an NSX? I had a poster of a Vigor on my bedroom wall as a kid!"
Quote from: NomisR on May 19, 2009, 02:24:39 PM
NSX never came with these keys. Unless it's only available for the first model year. The last NSX model still has the same key and remote as my RSX.
It did indeed come with that key right up until 1997 I believe when they added the transponder system. That key being all metal didn't allow for the chip so they switched to the generic plastic ones.
Quote from: CALL_911 on May 19, 2009, 02:41:36 PM
I think the pre-facelift cars came with them. The fixed-headlight cars have the cheap Acura fob and the normal key.
Yeah, you're right. The pre disabler cars had those. Damn regulations, the old key looks so much sexier.
Quote from: NomisR on May 19, 2009, 02:22:37 PM
Yeah, I get this question all the time
Them: Nice car, what is it
Me: a Lotus
Them: Who makes a Lotus?
Me: Uh.. Lotus..
Them: Oh..
But just looking at the car, the NSX turns more heads than a Porsche. Only thing that Porsche makes that would turn more heads than a NSX would probably be a Carrera GT.
The salesman at the Ford dealership didn't even know there was an SVT Focus. That's the worst experience I've ever had with people not knowing what my car is.
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 02:57:09 PM
It works in person too. As soon as you say what it is, people will immediately associate it with whatever Acura they know.
No one is going to see it, ask you about it, and say "Oh, it's an NSX? I had a poster of a Vigor on my bedroom wall as a kid!"
Does the likelihood that people associate the R32, GTI, et al. with the Beetle and other emasculated VW cars make them any less impressive?
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 19, 2009, 03:33:29 PM
Does the likelihood that people associate the R32, GTI, et al. with the Beetle and other emasculated VW cars make them any less impressive?
I'm not saying it takes away anything from the car, or anything away from how it impresses people who know what it is (although the British seem very image conscious, from what I can tell), I'm just saying that with people
who do not know what an NSX is or why it is a special car will associate it with run-of-the-mill Acuras.
And yes, if someone associates all VWs with the New Beetle, it would make anything they make less impressive to that person. However, people tend to remember the original Beetle or those vans.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1063803#msg1063803 date=1242760998
Sure, until people figure out it's an Acura.
I'm not so sure. I was at the local auto show this spring in Charlotte. They say it's the largest auto show in the world but I can't confirm this myself. All I see are Mustangs and other old 60's cars.
Anyway, one R1 FD RX-7 was at the show and it had the biggest crowds around it of any car. None knew what it was for the most part. And when they found out it was a Mazda they still pulled their
wangs out and jerked off. So if a simple little Mazda can get people going an Acura can do the same.
And I don't mean to offend anyone but I personally don't think Porsche is very exclusive. It's the poor mans exotic sports car. A car almost needs to come from Italy and end in "I" to be really exclusive.
Sure some others can fit the bill too but you get the idea.
I still love Porsche by the way. And I'm way too poor to have a good one.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 19, 2009, 03:22:31 PM
The salesman at the Ford dealership didn't even know there was an SVT Focus. That's the worst experience I've ever had with people not knowing what my car is.
I went to a Mazda dealer to look at an RX-8. The sales person took me over to the Mazdaspeed Protege. I told him that this was a Protege and not an RX-8. I then took him over to the RX-8 and asked him how many cylinders it had. He didn't know :banghead:
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 03:39:23 PM
I'm not saying it takes away anything from the car, or anything away from how it impresses people who know what it is (although the British seem very image conscious, from what I can tell), I'm just saying that with people who do not know what an NSX is or why it is a special car will associate it with run-of-the-mill Acuras.
And yes, if someone associates all VWs with the New Beetle, it would make anything they make less impressive to that person. However, people tend to remember the original Beetle or those vans.
I see what you're saying. But I think most people's reaction would be "cool, I didn't know Acura made cars like this" or "cool, this must be like the Corvette of Acuras" or something like that. It still looks like a special car, regardless of what brand it's sold under.
Yes, but you were at an auto show. People there obviously liked cars, even if they didn't know what exactly the RX-7 was. I'm talking about curbside appeal.
And you're entitled to your opinion on Porsche. I don't believe on image it can compete with Ferrari and Lamborghini either (especially not when their top cars are still 911 based), but I don't think they're the "poor man's" anything.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 19, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
I went to a Mazda dealer to look at an RX-8. The sales person took me over to the Mazdaspeed Protege. I told him that this was a Protege and not an RX-8. I then took him over to the RX-8 and asked him how many cylinders it had. He didn't know :banghead:
That's the most awesome dealership fail story I've recently heard! :clap:
Thing is most people think Acura's are nice.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 19, 2009, 03:51:41 PM
Thing is most people think Acura's are nice.
The same way Volvos and Saabs are nice, I bet.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1064066#msg1064066 date=1242769993
The same way Volvos and Saabs are nice, I bet.
I don't anyone who thinks that!
Most people I know put Acura with Lexus and BMW.
Quote from: Payman on May 19, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
Did a quick check on Auto Trader. Cheapest NSX there is a 1991 with 91,000 kms for $36,900. I can't think of another car, short of a Ferrari, that's held its value so well.
MKIV Supra Turbo
Edit: Teuton beat me to it.
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
Yes, but you were at an auto show. People there obviously liked cars, even if they didn't know what exactly the RX-7 was. I'm talking about curbside appeal.
If you're talking about curbside appeal, the NSX would draw more attention than a 911. The only Porsche that would draw more attention is a Carrera GT. Everything else is mostly ignored. At least in CA anyways. Well, actually, maybe a 911 GT3 or GT2 but that'll only attract the enthusiasts.
Quote from: Raza on May 19, 2009, 03:39:23 PM
I'm not saying it takes away anything from the car, or anything away from how it impresses people who know what it is (although the British seem very image conscious, from what I can tell), I'm just saying that with people who do not know what an NSX is or why it is a special car will associate it with run-of-the-mill Acuras.
And yes, if someone associates all VWs with the New Beetle, it would make anything they make less impressive to that person. However, people tend to remember the original Beetle or those vans.
People who know anything about Acura know about the NSX.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 19, 2009, 04:00:03 PM
I don't anyone who thinks that!
Most people I know put Acura with Lexus and BMW.
Wow. People are dumber than I thought.
Quote from: NomisR on May 19, 2009, 04:25:20 PM
If you're talking about curbside appeal, the NSX would draw more attention than a 911. The only Porsche that would draw more attention is a Carrera GT. Everything else is mostly ignored. At least in CA anyways. Well, actually, maybe a 911 GT3 or GT2 but that'll only attract the enthusiasts.
LA is a little different from the rest of the country.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1064280#msg1064280 date=1242788955
Wow. People are dumber than I thought.
Hell yes they are.
You two need to start a "lost faith in humanity" club already :lol:
I can't depend on anyone who joins it. I have no faith in them at all.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 19, 2009, 09:55:12 PM
I can't depend on anyone who joins it. I have no faith in them at all.
:lol:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=18674.msg1064281#msg1064281 date=1242788979
LA is a little different from the rest of the country.
I'm sure it's similar to the east coast. NSX pulls its styling cues from the F40 so it's only natural for someone to think it's something even better than it is. Just like how a ZR1 will get the same attention from non-enthusiasts that an auto C6 would, people just don't know. The NSX looks fast, it resembles Italian design. Some people will guess it's old, but still think of it as something exclusive especially since they're not common.
I saw my first NSX in 5 or 6 years yesterday.
Quote from: Onslaught on May 19, 2009, 09:55:12 PM
I can't depend on anyone who joins it. I have no faith in them at all.
:lol:
I've seen a surprising number of different NSXs in Sheridan over the years.
Quote from: R-inge on May 19, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
I thought the Canuck currency was close to ours? (What do you call it btw? Dollars, or ???)
:facepalm:
Quote from: 93JC on May 20, 2009, 11:59:34 AM
:facepalm:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Loonie_reverse_view.png)
He's a Merry Can, what do you expect?
Quote from: Sigma Projects on May 20, 2009, 03:46:34 AM
I'm sure it's similar to the east coast. NSX pulls its styling cues from the F40 so it's only natural for someone to think it's something even better than it is. Just like how a ZR1 will get the same attention from non-enthusiasts that an auto C6 would, people just don't know. The NSX looks fast, it resembles Italian design. Some people will guess it's old, but still think of it as something exclusive especially since they're not common.
It's not that similar here. Maybe deep into the richest areas of NYC people don't give a shit about anything that isn't 200+K, but for most of the even upper-middle-class/lower-upper-class areas where I live, people still look at Porsches.
Quote from: Tave on May 20, 2009, 11:22:34 AM
I've seen a surprising number of different NSXs in Sheridan over the years.
I used to have a commute that crossed an NSX. A white one, fixed lamp. I was driving by the same street everyday when he was trying to turn on to it from the opposing traffic lane.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 20, 2009, 12:13:55 PM
He's a Merry Can, what do you expect?
I don't know. All I know is it says DOLLAR right on it:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Loonie_reverse_view.png)
Is that a picture of the Canadian president on the coin?
Quote from: the Teuton on May 20, 2009, 08:39:28 PM
Is that a picture of the Canadian president on the coin?
We don't got no president
Quote from: M_power on May 20, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
We don't got no president
Your unprimed minister?
Quote from: 93JC on May 20, 2009, 11:59:34 AM
:facepalm:
Sorry, I thought you used beaver pelts for currency.
Quote from: the Teuton on May 20, 2009, 08:39:28 PM
Is that a picture of the Canadian president on the coin?
If it is then I've got 2 million of their President's running around this area. And they all need to be assassinated.
Quote from: the Teuton on May 20, 2009, 08:39:28 PM
Is that a picture of the Canadian president on the coin?
well, they do call it a "Loony"
Quote from: r0tor on May 21, 2009, 05:50:37 AM
well, they do call it a "Loony"
No, we call it a Loonie. :ohyeah:
Quote from: Onslaught on May 21, 2009, 04:44:19 AM
If it is then I've got 2 million of their President's running around this area. And they all need to be assassinated.
I didn't think loons migrated that far south. :huh:
Quote from: 93JC on May 21, 2009, 08:55:07 AM
I didn't think loons migrated that far south. :huh:
Sorry, I didn't look at it that close. Thought it was one of those mother fucking Canadian Geese at first glance.
I can't blame you for confusing the two. After all, you're trying to identify a bird based on a blown-up picture of a coin.
A lot of Canadians think the animal on our quarter is a moose:
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/quarter_canadian.jpg)
It's a caribou.
Why do all of your leaders look like woodland creatures? Ours all look like stuffy old politicians.
By that same logic yours look a lot like the Lincoln Memorial, Monticello, a torch surrounded by branches and a bald eagle.
Oh, and that Indian chick.
I say - do your coins have just one of the Queen's chins or several of them? We updated to the several-chins version a few years back:
(http://www.coinpage.com/images/coins2/ram0066s.jpg)
bit off topic, but I always thought a Do Luck kit kinda cleaned up the early 90's cues for a more modern look.
(http://www.lambodoorkits.co.uk/images/Image/NSX_FRONT_bumper.jpg)
My favorite color for the kit also.
Update: Well he has certainly been getting his moneys worth from the car.
He put 2000kms on it in 2 weeks driving essentially no where.
That is until last night.
Its not really known outside of NSX circles but there was a transmission TSB for 1991-1992 model cars with 5spd transmissions within a certain number range.
He knew about the TSB prior to buying the car but never checked the number on the trans, which happens to fall smack in the middle of the affected range. He felt that given the kms on the car, it would have already broken if it was going to be a problem.
A groove within the transmission case for a snap ring varied in width due to a cutting tool issue. On casings where this groove allowed for too much movement of the snap ring, eventually the snap ring breaks.
That snap ring holds one of the counter-shaft bearings in position, insert scooby doo ruh roh here...
Anyways, the transmission sound horrible right now even though it does still work properly.
Its looking like we might be taking a road trip to pick up a new transmission for it sometime soon.
As if that weren't enough of a kick in the nuts, I noticed that he had managed to curb rash both passenger wheels on something too... Fortunately they are just polished aluminum so he was able to sand and polish them good as new within an hour, but....
Quote from: Onslaught on May 21, 2009, 03:06:46 PM
Sorry, I didn't look at it that close. Thought it was one of those mother fucking Canadian Geese at first glance.
illegal immigrants :lockedup:
Quote from: NomisR on May 19, 2009, 04:25:20 PM
If you're talking about curbside appeal, the NSX would draw more attention than a 911. The only Porsche that would draw more attention is a Carrera GT. Everything else is mostly ignored. At least in CA anyways. Well, actually, maybe a 911 GT3 or GT2 but that'll only attract the enthusiasts.
or a 356, especially a speedster. ;)
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on June 10, 2009, 11:57:46 AM
Update: Well he has certainly been getting his moneys worth from the car.
He put 2000kms on it in 2 weeks driving essentially no where.
That is until last night.
Its not really known outside of NSX circles but there was a transmission TSB for 1991-1992 model cars with 5spd transmissions within a certain number range.
He knew about the TSB prior to buying the car but never checked the number on the trans, which happens to fall smack in the middle of the affected range. He felt that given the kms on the car, it would have already broken if it was going to be a problem.
A groove within the transmission case for a snap ring varied in width due to a cutting tool issue. On casings where this groove allowed for too much movement of the snap ring, eventually the snap ring breaks.
That snap ring holds one of the counter-shaft bearings in position, insert scooby doo ruh roh here...
Anyways, the transmission sound horrible right now even though it does still work properly.
Its looking like we might be taking a road trip to pick up a new transmission for it sometime soon.
As if that weren't enough of a kick in the nuts, I noticed that he had managed to curb rash both passenger wheels on something too... Fortunately they are just polished aluminum so he was able to sand and polish them good as new within an hour, but....
Wait because it's a TSB, does Honda still cover it? It's technically still Honda's fault right?
A TSB is different from a recall.
Quote from: 565 on June 10, 2009, 01:44:06 PM
Wait because it's a TSB, does Honda still cover it? It's technically still Honda's fault right?
Word is that Honda had been covering the repair on cars that were as old as 10yrs, and partially paying sometime beyond that, but at this point you are on your own.
Just under 2500 cars were covered by the TSB, but there is a good number of them that were machined correctly or within an allowable margin that will never have a problem.
He has been in contact with an NSX Tech that the local community swears by. The car is being towed to this guys place later today. Replacement parts, per the TSB, include a new transmission housing are only about $500 and change. This guy is only charging $800 labor to pull the tranny, replace the parts (and whatever else looks like its done), and reinstall the transmission.
Getting the car onto a flatbed is going to be fun thats for sure.
The TSB if anyone cares:
(http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Reference/tsb/tsb-93-010.gif)
too bad you couldn't get the 6-speed in there.
Quote from: Sigma Projects on June 10, 2009, 10:30:12 PM
too bad you couldn't get the 6-speed in there.
You can do it easily in terms of the mechanics, but the $$$ factor is high.
The 5spds used a twin disc clutch and the 6spds used a single so he'd have to get another clutch to that as well. Clutches for that car are pricey.
To further complicate things, there were two different 6spd transmissions as well: one had double cone synchros on just 1-4, the other had them on 1-6. In any event a rebuilt/new 6spd transmission is over $6000.
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on June 10, 2009, 01:53:43 PM
Getting the car onto a flatbed is going to be fun thats for sure.
Pffft! 6 guys could heave it over a goalpost. :lol:
I keep thinking this thread is about some sort of sexually-transmitted disease, which worries me because I keep coming in looking for more.