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I hate it. <_<
I doubt it would look like that, though.
I love it. It's sleek, agressive, and handsome. I'll take mine in a graphite color, please. B)
QuoteI love it. It's sleek, agressive, and handsome. I'll take mine in a graphite color, please. B)
Same here, I love it. :wub:
What do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
QuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
I dont like the back end particularly, but I dont see how its bloated. IMO it looks sleek.
Towards the back of the car it just swells up, ending in a massive bumper.
QuoteTowards the back of the car it just swells up, ending in a massive bumper.
I agree, I dont like the back, but it doesnt look bloated from the sides, IMO.
What about the obscene fender bulge?
QuoteWhat about the obscene fender bulge?
I assume you are talking about the rear? Its look recalls the 993 Turbo...it looks aggressive, not bloated. And the back looks narrow, and is accentuated by heavy haunches...I like it.
There is nothing agressive about obesity. The 993 did not look like that.
QuoteThere is nothing agressive about obesity. The 993 did not look like that.
When we get official pics we can argue about the obesity of the car :) Its pointless to argue about a photoshop.
I'm not saying that the car will be ugly, I just hope it looks nothing like that rendering.
The first thing that popped into my head when I saw the rear was Aston Martin.. :blink:
Otherwise it's alright, but...I don't love it.
What happens when you cross a 911 and a Quattroporte?
QuoteWhat happens when you cross a 911 and a Quattroporte?
Panoramic? ^_^
I love all of it. I think the back is sharp looking. I don't personally see bloat. But everyone will see something different.
I for one am hoping that the real thing looks like this. :rockon:
The front looks fine, but the rear needs a total redesign. It shouldn't curve so much and the taillights ought to be lower.
HOLY HUGE RUMP! :o
Beautiful!
QuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
QuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Love it. :P :P :D
Bootylicious. Personally i don't mind a big an on a car. All CARS from Stuttgart are ok in m book.
QuoteWhat happens when you cross a 911 and a Quattroporte?
It's like two pretty parents with an ugly baby! With a pretty face. ^_^
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Tough to say until more info is released.
I see the Maser--which is a gorgeous car in its own right--more as an S-class competitor. I would speculate that Porsche will make the Panamera more of a driver's car, closer to the 612 in spirit if not quite in full V-12 glory.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Tough to say until more info is released.
I see the Maser--which is a gorgeous car in its own right--more as an S-class competitor. I would speculate that Porsche will make the Panamera more of a driver's car, closer to the 612 in spirit if not quite in full V-12 glory.
The car will have a V8, I believe. All the same, the Porsche will be four doors, and have a V8. The Ferrari only has 2 doors, and has a V12. I'm not so convinced they will be competing with each other.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Tough to say until more info is released.
I see the Maser--which is a gorgeous car in its own right--more as an S-class competitor. I would speculate that Porsche will make the Panamera more of a driver's car, closer to the 612 in spirit if not quite in full V-12 glory.
The car will have a V8, I believe. All the same, the Porsche will be four doors, and have a V8. The Ferrari only has 2 doors, and has a V12. I'm not so convinced they will be competing with each other.
so then why are the 6 series and the CLS considered 'competitors'?
I'd say its closest competitor would [or should] be the M5.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Tough to say until more info is released.
I see the Maser--which is a gorgeous car in its own right--more as an S-class competitor. I would speculate that Porsche will make the Panamera more of a driver's car, closer to the 612 in spirit if not quite in full V-12 glory.
The car will have a V8, I believe. All the same, the Porsche will be four doors, and have a V8. The Ferrari only has 2 doors, and has a V12. I'm not so convinced they will be competing with each other.
so then why are the 6 series and the CLS considered 'competitors'?
Lame marketing attempts?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Tough to say until more info is released.
I see the Maser--which is a gorgeous car in its own right--more as an S-class competitor. I would speculate that Porsche will make the Panamera more of a driver's car, closer to the 612 in spirit if not quite in full V-12 glory.
The car will have a V8, I believe. All the same, the Porsche will be four doors, and have a V8. The Ferrari only has 2 doors, and has a V12. I'm not so convinced they will be competing with each other.
so then why are the 6 series and the CLS considered 'competitors'?
Lame marketing attempts?
Its a lame marketing attempt on behalf of Mercedes to badge its CLS as a coupe. I dont view them as competing.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Tough to say until more info is released.
I see the Maser--which is a gorgeous car in its own right--more as an S-class competitor. I would speculate that Porsche will make the Panamera more of a driver's car, closer to the 612 in spirit if not quite in full V-12 glory.
The car will have a V8, I believe. All the same, the Porsche will be four doors, and have a V8. The Ferrari only has 2 doors, and has a V12. I'm not so convinced they will be competing with each other.
so then why are the 6 series and the CLS considered 'competitors'?
Lame marketing attempts?
Its a lame marketing attempt on behalf of Mercedes to badge its CLS as a coupe. I dont view them as competing.
They are competing. They're aimed at roughly the same demographic. Calling the CLS a coupe is the same thing as calling an RX-8 a sedan. Not completely right, but not completely wrong, either.
QuoteI love it. It's sleek, agressive, and handsome. I'll take mine in a graphite color, please. B)
Seal Grey. :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Tough to say until more info is released.
I see the Maser--which is a gorgeous car in its own right--more as an S-class competitor. I would speculate that Porsche will make the Panamera more of a driver's car, closer to the 612 in spirit if not quite in full V-12 glory.
The car will have a V8, I believe. All the same, the Porsche will be four doors, and have a V8. The Ferrari only has 2 doors, and has a V12. I'm not so convinced they will be competing with each other.
so then why are the 6 series and the CLS considered 'competitors'?
Lame marketing attempts?
Its a lame marketing attempt on behalf of Mercedes to badge its CLS as a coupe. I dont view them as competing.
They are competing. They're aimed at roughly the same demographic. Calling the CLS a coupe is the same thing as calling an RX-8 a sedan. Not completely right, but not completely wrong, either.
Its one thing calling the car something, and then another thing to say it competes with something, IMO. The RX-8 may be called a sedan, but to say it competes with a Nissan Altima, or something, is wrong.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you see in it? The front end looks nice, but the rest is horridly bloated and the taillights are terrible.
A 612 Scaglietta competitor for half the price. And that same rear end works just fine on an Aston Martin DB9.
I would see this more as a Maserati Quattraporte competitor, dont you think?
Tough to say until more info is released.
I see the Maser--which is a gorgeous car in its own right--more as an S-class competitor. I would speculate that Porsche will make the Panamera more of a driver's car, closer to the 612 in spirit if not quite in full V-12 glory.
The car will have a V8, I believe. All the same, the Porsche will be four doors, and have a V8. The Ferrari only has 2 doors, and has a V12. I'm not so convinced they will be competing with each other.
so then why are the 6 series and the CLS considered 'competitors'?
Lame marketing attempts?
Its a lame marketing attempt on behalf of Mercedes to badge its CLS as a coupe. I dont view them as competing.
They are competing. They're aimed at roughly the same demographic. Calling the CLS a coupe is the same thing as calling an RX-8 a sedan. Not completely right, but not completely wrong, either.
Its one thing calling the car something, and then another thing to say it competes with something, IMO. The RX-8 may be called a sedan, but to say it competes with a Nissan Altima, or something, is wrong.
The CLS and 6 series are similarly price mid-sized sedan based premium coupes or quasi-coupes from ferociously competing companies. What more do you want?
The CLS isnt exactly a coupe, just because it has a sloping roofline. The Mazda RX-8 is more of a sedan than a Coupe, IMO, than a CLS is a coupe.
QuoteThe CLS isnt exactly a coupe, just because it has a sloping roofline. The Mazda RX-8 is more of a sedan than a Coupe, IMO, than a CLS is a coupe.
That's why I said quasi-coupe. But it doesn't change the fact that they are aimed at similar demographics.
QuoteQuoteThe CLS isnt exactly a coupe, just because it has a sloping roofline. The Mazda RX-8 is more of a sedan than a Coupe, IMO, than a CLS is a coupe.
That's why I said quasi-coupe. But it doesn't change the fact that they are aimed at similar demographics.
Many cars are aimed at similar demographics...I assume the Lexus SC430 and MB S Class are aimed at similar demographics, yet they dont compete with each other.
Similar demographics at which two cars are aimed does not make them competitors.
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe CLS isnt exactly a coupe, just because it has a sloping roofline. The Mazda RX-8 is more of a sedan than a Coupe, IMO, than a CLS is a coupe.
That's why I said quasi-coupe. But it doesn't change the fact that they are aimed at similar demographics.
Many cars are aimed at similar demographics...I assume the Lexus SC430 and MB S Class are aimed at similar demographics, yet they dont compete with each other.
Similar demographics at which two cars are aimed does not make them competitors.
You're talking about completely different body styles. And they're not really aimed at the same demographic, either. The SC430 is aimed mostly at SL buyers who want two extra seats and a cheaper tag, and at Lexus buyers who want a second car from their favorite brand.
The 645Ci and CLS500 both fight over affluent 40 somethings that want something sporty and are partial to the Germans. They are competitors. What you're trying to say is that the S500 and 750i don't compete because one car is a little different from the other. If they're aimed at the same or similar demographic, they're competing for sales from the same population. Key word:
competing.
By the way, nice grammar. :rockon:
You know, looking at those pictures, it is pretty sexy. Just not very original.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe CLS isnt exactly a coupe, just because it has a sloping roofline.? The Mazda RX-8 is more of a sedan than a Coupe, IMO, than a CLS is a coupe.
That's why I said quasi-coupe. But it doesn't change the fact that they are aimed at similar demographics.
Many cars are aimed at similar demographics...I assume the Lexus SC430 and MB S Class are aimed at similar demographics, yet they dont compete with each other.
Similar demographics at which two cars are aimed does not make them competitors.
You're talking about completely different body styles. And they're not really aimed at the same demographic, either. The SC430 is aimed mostly at SL buyers who want two extra seats and a cheaper tag, and at Lexus buyers who want a second car from their favorite brand.
The 645Ci and CLS500 both fight over affluent 40 somethings that want something sporty and are partial to the Germans. They are competitors. What you're trying to say is that the S500 and 750i don't compete because one car is a little different from the other. If they're aimed at the same or similar demographic, they're competing for sales from the same population. Key word: competing.
By the way, nice grammar. :rockon:
Thank you :lol:
Mercedes would like you to believe the CLS competes with the 6 Series...simply because should you believe that, it lends a much sportier credence to the CLS. But I doubt that consumers in the market for a 6 Series would be drawn to a CLS, or vice versa. (Though I cant know that for sure).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe CLS isnt exactly a coupe, just because it has a sloping roofline. The Mazda RX-8 is more of a sedan than a Coupe, IMO, than a CLS is a coupe.
That's why I said quasi-coupe. But it doesn't change the fact that they are aimed at similar demographics.
Many cars are aimed at similar demographics...I assume the Lexus SC430 and MB S Class are aimed at similar demographics, yet they dont compete with each other.
Similar demographics at which two cars are aimed does not make them competitors.
You're talking about completely different body styles. And they're not really aimed at the same demographic, either. The SC430 is aimed mostly at SL buyers who want two extra seats and a cheaper tag, and at Lexus buyers who want a second car from their favorite brand.
The 645Ci and CLS500 both fight over affluent 40 somethings that want something sporty and are partial to the Germans. They are competitors. What you're trying to say is that the S500 and 750i don't compete because one car is a little different from the other. If they're aimed at the same or similar demographic, they're competing for sales from the same population. Key word: competing.
By the way, nice grammar. :rockon:
Thank you :lol:
Mercedes would like you to believe the CLS competes with the 6 Series...simply because should you believe that, it lends a much sportier credence to the CLS. But I doubt that consumers in the market for a 6 Series would be drawn to a CLS, or vice versa. (Though I cant know that for sure).
I don't know just how sporty the ~4000 pound 645 is, and I can tell you that I've seen many, many 6ers, and not a single stick. But I have tossed a CLS500 so hard it would make Schumacher queasy, and the car is quite capable.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe CLS isnt exactly a coupe, just because it has a sloping roofline.? The Mazda RX-8 is more of a sedan than a Coupe, IMO, than a CLS is a coupe.
That's why I said quasi-coupe. But it doesn't change the fact that they are aimed at similar demographics.
Many cars are aimed at similar demographics...I assume the Lexus SC430 and MB S Class are aimed at similar demographics, yet they dont compete with each other.
Similar demographics at which two cars are aimed does not make them competitors.
You're talking about completely different body styles. And they're not really aimed at the same demographic, either. The SC430 is aimed mostly at SL buyers who want two extra seats and a cheaper tag, and at Lexus buyers who want a second car from their favorite brand.
The 645Ci and CLS500 both fight over affluent 40 somethings that want something sporty and are partial to the Germans. They are competitors. What you're trying to say is that the S500 and 750i don't compete because one car is a little different from the other. If they're aimed at the same or similar demographic, they're competing for sales from the same population. Key word: competing.
By the way, nice grammar. :rockon:
Thank you :lol:
Mercedes would like you to believe the CLS competes with the 6 Series...simply because should you believe that, it lends a much sportier credence to the CLS. But I doubt that consumers in the market for a 6 Series would be drawn to a CLS, or vice versa. (Though I cant know that for sure).
I don't know just how sporty the ~4000 pound 645 is, and I can tell you that I've seen many, many 6ers, and not a single stick. But I have tossed a CLS500 so hard it would make Schumacher queasy, and the car is quite capable.
I actually saw two sticks....one was SMG, and the other the 6 speed :praise:
The rest of the 6ers I have seen have been stationary, and I have not seen inside, so I have no way of telling whether they were stick or not.
I am in now way suggesting the CLS isnt a capable car...it is. But that is beside the point. Sportiness inherent in a car does not make two sporty cars compete with each other.
And while the 6er is a 4000 pound or so car, it still only has 2 doors, and has a very cramped, almost unusable, rear seat. The CLS is spacious for two in back, and is a four door sedan.
I just dont see how they compete logically.
So you've seen one stick, and one fake stick? :o
Well, I'd consider both of them GTs, even though the CLS has 4 doors, because it's marketed at a coupe's demo. But, unlike my strict interpretation of what a sports car is, my definition of a GT is a bit more flexible--cars like the M5 I'd also consider borderline GTs.
And the rear seat of the 645Ci is not as roomy as the CLS, yes. But then again, the Mustang isn't as roomy as the RX-8.
QuoteSo you've seen one stick, and one fake stick? :o
Well, I'd consider both of them GTs, even though the CLS has 4 doors, because it's marketed at a coupe's demo. But, unlike my strict interpretation of what a sports car is, my definition of a GT is a bit more flexible--cars like the M5 I'd also consider borderline GTs.
And the rear seat of the 645Ci is not as roomy as the CLS, yes. But then again, the Mustang isn't as roomy as the RX-8.
Like I said, I was only able to actually look into a few 6ers, or see them on the road where I could tell if they were stick or not. Many were stationary when I saw them (and could not look inside) and many were going in the opposite direction of the highway.
And once again, whats its marketed as doensnt mean much...sure, its marketed as a coupe, but how many people do you think would cross shop the two cars, or view the CLS as a coupe?
The 645 isn't a sports car.
That said, it handles like the devil flying away from hell.
QuoteQuoteSo you've seen one stick, and one fake stick? :o
Well, I'd consider both of them GTs, even though the CLS has 4 doors, because it's marketed at a coupe's demo. But, unlike my strict interpretation of what a sports car is, my definition of a GT is a bit more flexible--cars like the M5 I'd also consider borderline GTs.
And the rear seat of the 645Ci is not as roomy as the CLS, yes. But then again, the Mustang isn't as roomy as the RX-8.
Like I said, I was only able to actually look into a few 6ers, or see them on the road where I could tell if they were stick or not. Many were stationary when I saw them (and could not look inside) and many were going in the opposite direction of the highway.
And once again, whats its marketed as doensnt mean much...sure, its marketed as a coupe, but how many people do you think would cross shop the two cars, or view the CLS as a coupe?
Many, many people cross shop them.
QuoteQuoteQuoteSo you've seen one stick, and one fake stick?? :o
Well, I'd consider both of them GTs, even though the CLS has 4 doors, because it's marketed at a coupe's demo.? But, unlike my strict interpretation of what a sports car is, my definition of a GT is a bit more flexible--cars like the M5 I'd also consider borderline GTs.?
And the rear seat of the 645Ci is not as roomy as the CLS, yes.? But then again, the Mustang isn't as roomy as the RX-8.
Like I said, I was only able to actually look into a few 6ers, or see them on the road where I could tell if they were stick or not. Many were stationary when I saw them (and could not look inside) and many were going in the opposite direction of the highway.
And once again, whats its marketed as doensnt mean much...sure, its marketed as a coupe, but how many people do you think would cross shop the two cars, or view the CLS as a coupe?
Many, many people cross shop them.
How can you know for sure?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo you've seen one stick, and one fake stick? :o
Well, I'd consider both of them GTs, even though the CLS has 4 doors, because it's marketed at a coupe's demo. But, unlike my strict interpretation of what a sports car is, my definition of a GT is a bit more flexible--cars like the M5 I'd also consider borderline GTs.
And the rear seat of the 645Ci is not as roomy as the CLS, yes. But then again, the Mustang isn't as roomy as the RX-8.
Like I said, I was only able to actually look into a few 6ers, or see them on the road where I could tell if they were stick or not. Many were stationary when I saw them (and could not look inside) and many were going in the opposite direction of the highway.
And once again, whats its marketed as doensnt mean much...sure, its marketed as a coupe, but how many people do you think would cross shop the two cars, or view the CLS as a coupe?
Many, many people cross shop them.
How can you know for sure?
I talk to people. Buyers, sellers. I'm a talker.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo you've seen one stick, and one fake stick?? :o
Well, I'd consider both of them GTs, even though the CLS has 4 doors, because it's marketed at a coupe's demo.? But, unlike my strict interpretation of what a sports car is, my definition of a GT is a bit more flexible--cars like the M5 I'd also consider borderline GTs.?
And the rear seat of the 645Ci is not as roomy as the CLS, yes.? But then again, the Mustang isn't as roomy as the RX-8.
Like I said, I was only able to actually look into a few 6ers, or see them on the road where I could tell if they were stick or not. Many were stationary when I saw them (and could not look inside) and many were going in the opposite direction of the highway.
And once again, whats its marketed as doensnt mean much...sure, its marketed as a coupe, but how many people do you think would cross shop the two cars, or view the CLS as a coupe?
Many, many people cross shop them.
How can you know for sure?
I talk to people. Buyers, sellers. I'm a talker.
So am I, and I have arrived at a different conclusion ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo you've seen one stick, and one fake stick? :o
Well, I'd consider both of them GTs, even though the CLS has 4 doors, because it's marketed at a coupe's demo. But, unlike my strict interpretation of what a sports car is, my definition of a GT is a bit more flexible--cars like the M5 I'd also consider borderline GTs.
And the rear seat of the 645Ci is not as roomy as the CLS, yes. But then again, the Mustang isn't as roomy as the RX-8.
Like I said, I was only able to actually look into a few 6ers, or see them on the road where I could tell if they were stick or not. Many were stationary when I saw them (and could not look inside) and many were going in the opposite direction of the highway.
And once again, whats its marketed as doensnt mean much...sure, its marketed as a coupe, but how many people do you think would cross shop the two cars, or view the CLS as a coupe?
Many, many people cross shop them.
How can you know for sure?
I talk to people. Buyers, sellers. I'm a talker.
So am I, and I have arrived at a different conclusion ;)
Might be a regional thing, then. But people who are shopping CLS are also shopping 645 in this area.