If you could only have one car for the rest of your life, what would it be?
You may pick any production road car currently in existence. The only thing is that it will be the only car you'll ever have for the rest of your life, serving daily commuter/family hauler/whatever else you use a car for/etc. duties.
Right now I'm thinking a Lexus LS460.
911 Turbo.
For the rest of my life? Shit, that means this car has to last me for 60 years or so. Okay, well then this would be my criteria:
1. Tough and long lasting
2. Fast
3. All weather and All terrain
4. Can carry a family and all our stuff for skiing, camping, waterskiing)
5. Comfortable
6. Fun to drive
7. Would be reasonably innexpensive to fix after the warranty runs out
8. Good availability of parts in 50 years.
Vehicle = 2010 SVT Raptor or 2011 SVT Raptor SuperCrew (to be released by fall 2010)
911 4S.
Beautiful, fast, has a stick, can be used even in bad weather and who can resist the sound of that flat-6.
Let my wife drive the kiddy-mobile.
Outback XT 6spd. All the power I'd ever need, plenty of ground clearance for most situations, and I could even stick a small trailer behind it for loads larger than the already huge cargo space. If I want a more serious offroader I can just rent a Jeep for the weekend or something.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 03, 2009, 03:27:08 PM
For the rest of my life? Shit, that means this car has to last me for 60 years or so. Okay, well then this would be my criteria:
1. Tough and long lasting
2. Fast
3. All weather and All terrain
4. Can carry a family and all our stuff for skiing, camping, waterskiing)
5. Comfortable
6. Fun to drive
7. Would be reasonably innexpensive to fix after the warranty runs out
8. Good availability of parts in 50 years.
Vehicle = 2010 SVT Raptor or 2011 SVT Raptor SuperCrew (to be released by fall 2010)
Have fun replacing those Fox Shox. :rolleyes:
Me, I'd go with an STI. 4WD for the ski trips, hatchback for practicality, and it's awesomely fun to drive. :rockon:
Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 03:41:16 PM
Have fun replacing those Fox Shox. :rolleyes:
That's true. I'll probably have to stock up on them at some point so that I have replacements down the road.
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Good to drive
Good MPG's
Reliable
Endlessly Practical
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The family can take the bus.
Now if my wife could have a vehicle as well that changes things. She can have a Volvo XC90 and I will have a 2011 Mustang GT with Track Pack and 400 hp.
I dunno what I'll need in 30 years, so I can't answer it.
If I have the same needs as now, then an old Porsche 911.
If it doesn't work out, I'll just fake my death and get another car.
Fine. Same rules apply to your SO, and you could drive each other's cars if you needed to.
My future wife would get a Land Cruiser. I might splurge a little bit and go for a Mercedes CL.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 03, 2009, 03:50:20 PM
Now if my wife could have a vehicle as well that changes things. She can have a Volvo XC90 and I will have a 2011 Mustang GT with Track Pack and 400 hp.
You sure are stretching the rules with regard to "currently in existence" ;)
Can I import something from Japan?
Does it exist?
:lol:
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 03, 2009, 03:56:17 PM
You sure are stretching the rules with regard to "currently in existence" ;)
Damn. I missed that.
2010 Mustang GT w/ Track Pack it is then.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 03, 2009, 03:57:30 PM
Can I import something from Japan?
Quote from: Psilos on November 03, 2009, 03:59:09 PM
Does it exist?
:lol:
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 03, 2009, 04:02:01 PM
:ohyeah:
Yes, but unfortunately the Subaru Legacy wagon turbos are only sold in wrong hand drive now, and I really don't want an Outback.
that's quite a conundrum
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Quote from: the Teuton on November 03, 2009, 04:08:12 PM
Yes, but unfortunately the Subaru Legacy wagon turbos are only sold in wrong hand drive now, and I really don't want an Outback.
:orly:
:confused:
You saying not wanting a Subaru???
:lol:
Quote from: NomisR on November 03, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
:orly:
:confused:
You saying not wanting a Subaru???
:lol:
Don't worry, I'm sure the other car in contention is also a subaru. All is well.
911 Turbo and I'm not even kidding. I think that's the only car, that would completely satisfy me and give me the feeling that I would never like to buy another car again. And yeah, I plan to let my future wife drive a family car. :partyon:
But since you've said the car should be capable of doing allmost anything... I guess an Audi A6 Station wagon with a big Diesel would be totally perfect.
Hummer H1.
Or a '57 Nomad with a big block and Tremec 6 speed.
Corvette. Fast as a Porsche, but parts are cheaper and you can fix it with a hammer.
This'll do the trick, in all black, please.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/03/sema-2009-subaru-legacy-gtk-is-your-friendly-family-hauler-aut/
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 03, 2009, 03:55:08 PM
Fine. Same rules apply to your SO, and you could drive each other's cars if you needed to.
My future wife would get a Land Cruiser. I might splurge a little bit and go for a Mercedes CL.
Wow, a CL550 4-matic is a compelling choice.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 03, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
This'll do the trick, in all black, please.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/03/sema-2009-subaru-legacy-gtk-is-your-friendly-family-hauler-aut/
That thing is fucking hideous.
Quote from: MrH on November 03, 2009, 05:39:46 PM
That thing is fucking hideous.
Hence why it needs to be in one color, er, shade of darkness.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 03, 2009, 05:42:34 PM
Hence why it needs to be in one color, er, shade of darkness.
You're given the shot at one car. What do you choose?
A disastrous station wagon Sebring in a hideous two-tone color. :facepalm:
Quote from: MrH on November 03, 2009, 05:49:18 PM
You're given the shot at one car. What do you choose?
A disastrous station wagon Sebring in a hideous two-tone color. :facepalm:
You're misinterpreting the situation.
ZR1 Vette. My SO can buy a car that handles snow a lil better. :evildude:
If it is just me, Audi S4 Avant.
If it is me + a wife (now THERE is a terrifying thought), then probably a RR for her, and something older and awesome for me.
For me, probably a 4Runner, around an '04 maybe. Its a good combination of size and utility and with the family and horses I'm gonna need something with utility. Otherwise I'd go for a sporty wagon.
Quote from: MaxPower on November 03, 2009, 06:52:28 PM
For me, probably a 4Runner, around an '04 maybe. Its a good combination of size and utility and with the family and horses I'm gonna need something with utility. Otherwise I'd go for a sporty wagon.
Yeah, I'm banking on contracting out/renting for the boat hauling :lol:
Quote from: J86 on November 03, 2009, 06:53:28 PM
Yeah, I'm banking on contracting out/renting for the boat hauling :lol:
yeah, and hey, you'll have a boat so big you need a tractor trailer rig to haul it, right? ;)
Quote from: MaxPower on November 03, 2009, 06:57:13 PM
yeah, and hey, you'll have a boat so big you need a tractor trailer rig to haul it, right? ;)
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Quote from: J86 on November 03, 2009, 06:53:28 PM
Yeah, I'm banking on contracting out/renting for the boat hauling :lol:
A Roller can tow, can't it?
Honda Accord LX 6(5?)M
or
Mazda 3i Touring 5M
If my girl could have a regular car, without a doubt it would be a 993 or 996 Turbo
Blazing performance, relatively high practicality + reliability, timeless looks...
These cars will probably look just as good in 70 years as they do today. That's my choice and I'm sticking with it
Jeebus, most of you guys are boring.
Quote from: MrH on November 03, 2009, 08:25:53 PM
Jeebus, most of you guys are boring.
Well, if only 1 car, I'm not going to try and afford to keep a 996 running for 30k miles a year for 50 more years and stuff family/friends into it. Or am I going to try and use a Miata as an only car after I get a house.
Porsche 911 Turbo (993)
Quote from: The Pirate on November 03, 2009, 08:33:53 PM
Porsche 911 Turbo (993)
I'mma interrupt you, but I'mma let you finish. Pirate had one of the better picks in this thread of all time! All time!
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 03, 2009, 08:33:09 PM
Well, if only 1 car, I'm not going to try and afford to keep a 996 running for 30k miles a year for 50 more years and stuff family/friends into it. Or am I going to try and use a Miata as an only car after I get a house.
Not having a car payment you're entire life can provide a whole lot of maintenance.
PWNED :praise:
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Easy:
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or
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My toughest choice would be between old v new and large box v long bed.
I think I'd probably go with a new Taco, large box, but I might go old/large box too.
Quote from: MrH on November 03, 2009, 08:25:53 PM
Jeebus, most of you guys are boring.
I agree. You can only have so much fun with a sports car. As much as I want a DB9, I also want to enjoy my life and not feel trapped because of my car. It sucks not being able to go wherever I want to go--I never realized how free my 4runner let me be until after it was gone.
Quote from: Tave on November 03, 2009, 09:12:36 PM
Easy:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/05-07_Toyota_Tacoma_Double_Cab_TRD.jpg)
(http://image.off-roadweb.com/f/9133487/0712or_06_z+2001_toyota_tacoma_trd+exterior_view.jpg)
or
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My toughest choice would be between old v new and large box v long bed.
I think I'd probably go with a new Taco, large box, but I might go old/large box too.
I agree. You can only have so much fun with a sports car. As much as I want a DB9, I also want to enjoy my life and not feel trapped because of my car. It sucks not being able to go wherever I want to go--I never realized how free my 4runner let me be until after it was gone.
Ooh, nice choice Tave.
I'd still get an STI over one, but I'd definitely get a Tacoma or 4Runner over a sports car.
Seriously guys, a sports car as an only car for the rest of your life? :facepalm:
I would have gone with 911 Turbo, but that has been overused thus far. The RS6 Avant doesn't have a manual, but do I want to be locked in with a manual for the rest of my life? What if I get tendinitis? The Cayenne Turbo S could be pretty awesome as I could off-road as well as go ridiculously fast. I'm going with that one.
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Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on November 03, 2009, 09:36:31 PM
I would have gone with 911 Turbo, but that has been overused thus far. The RS6 Avant doesn't have a manual, but do I want to be locked in with a manual for the rest of my life? What if I get tendinitis? The Cayenne Turbo S could be pretty awesome as I could off-road as well as go ridiculously fast. I'm going with that one.
:nono:
Cayenne GTS with 6 spd.
Well dammit, I completely forgot about the Tacoma.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 03, 2009, 10:07:07 PM
Well dammit, I completely forgot about the Tacoma.
I thought you of all people would get something really practical so you could take your bikes and whatnot with you. :huh:
Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 10:13:09 PM
I thought you of all people would get something really practical so you could take your bikes and whatnot with you. :huh:
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Quote from: The Pirate on November 03, 2009, 10:15:23 PM
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:nono:
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:praise:
A 911 Turbo is perfect.
-Crazy fast and fun
-Comfortable GT when need be
-All weather grip
-Baller status
Quote from: MrH on November 03, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
A 911 Turbo is perfect.
-Crazy fast and fun
-Comfortable GT when need be
-All weather grip
-Baller status
What if you need to haul stuff, or need to go offroad?
Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 10:50:19 PM
What if you need to haul stuff, or need to go offroad?
It will carry a bicycle or two, skis, and gear for a few days worth of backpacking. That's all I need.
Otherwise, exactly what MrH said.
Ok. :huh:
As much as I like Porsches, I don't think I could live with one for the rest of my life and use it as my only car. Too many sacrifices would have to be made in order for that to work.
Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 10:50:19 PM
What if you need to haul stuff, or need to go offroad?
How often do you go offroad? Ever? Because I haven't. I'd rather have something that drives infinitely better on the road. You know, the thing I drive on EVERYDAY.
I don't tackle dirt paths and boulders on my way to work everyday.
Oh, and an E90 M3 and possibly a Panamera Turbo would be on my list too.
Quote from: MrH on November 03, 2009, 10:58:43 PM
How often do you go offroad? Ever? Because I haven't. I'd rather have something that drives infinitely better on the road. You know, the thing I drive on EVERYDAY.
I don't tackle dirt paths and boulders on my way to work everyday.
Rodeo is faster than Protege'''
:devil:
Quote from: MrH on November 03, 2009, 10:58:43 PM
How often do you go offroad? Ever? Because I haven't. I'd rather have something that drives infinitely better on the road. You know, the thing I drive on EVERYDAY.
I don't tackle dirt paths and boulders on my way to work everyday.
So you know that in the 50-60 years you'll have the car that you'll never go offroad?
Quote from: MrH on November 03, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
A 911 Turbo is perfect.
-Crazy fast and fun
-Comfortable GT when need be
-All weather grip
-Baller status
That's right.
It's also classy.
Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 11:05:35 PM
So you know that in the 50-60 years you'll have the car that you'll never go offroad?
I don't know about you, but it's a pretty safe bet that I won't, at least not in my own car.
Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 11:05:35 PM
So you know that in the 50-60 years you'll have the car that you'll never go offroad?
I'll never have to. That's why we have roads. Even if I did want to a handful of times in my life, it's not worth it. I'd have to live with the significantly worse driving dynamics of an SUV the entire time, all to just go off road a few times?
I'm much more likely to track the car than ever take it off road. Give me a car over an SUV or truck any day.
That all-weather safety of AWD thing helps in these parts, don't you think? Sure snow tires are great, but do they even make those wide enough to fit a 911 Turbo?
Quote from: the Teuton on November 03, 2009, 11:19:23 PM
That all-weather safety of AWD thing helps in these parts, don't you think? Sure snow tires are great, but do they even make those wide enough to fit a 911 Turbo?
Sure they do. $1280 for a set of 4 (it's a staggered setup on 19's to clear the ceramic brakes :praise:). 235/35/19 up front and 295/30/19 out back. That would be a bad ass snow machine.
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Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 11:05:35 PM
So you know that in the 50-60 years you'll have the car that you'll never go offroad?
This is coming from a guy who does go off road: Most of the time, you can get by with a passenger car on non-paved roads. The only situation you are likely to be in where you
need to get up a road too tough for a passenger car is for work, in which case, you have a work truck. High-clearance off-road capable vehicles are nice if you use them a lot, because they're better at it.
My parents wrote a hiking book with 100 hikes in the Oregon and Washington Cascades. Many hikes were remote, etc. They hiked every single one, and accessed every single trailhead with a 1996 Buick LeSabre. They got turned back once because of the road.
Quote from: Psilos on November 03, 2009, 11:43:36 PM
This is coming from a guy who does go off road: Most of the time, you can get by with a passenger car on non-paved roads. The only situation you are likely to be in where you need to get up a road too tough for a passenger car is for work, in which case, you have a work truck.
As much as I like having a truck, this is spot on. You'd be surprised how far you can make it off road with a car. And if you can't get all the way to the destination, then there's a little hike, which isn't a bad thing. Sometimes you walk (or ride your bike) a bit farther, but I have never not gotten to where I wanted to go because I own a car.
And I gave thought to something like a WRX or Land Cruiser before I decided on the P-car (forgot about that damn Tacoma though :lol:).
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 03, 2009, 11:25:41 PM
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Yeah, but who wants to drive that everywhere? And they're too big for northwest forest roads, anyway.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 03, 2009, 11:19:23 PM
That all-weather safety of AWD thing helps in these parts, don't you think? Sure snow tires are great, but do they even make those wide enough to fit a 911 Turbo?
Meh, I almost cast my vote for the 964 Turbo (RWD). I've said it before, but give me snow tires before you give me AWD.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 03, 2009, 11:19:23 PM
That all-weather safety of AWD thing helps in these parts, don't you think? Sure snow tires are great, but do they even make those wide enough to fit a 911 Turbo?
People used to drive giant RWD sedans and Porsche 356s in snow, without snow tires, and survived. AWD is nice, but it's not a safety item.
Quote from: Psilos on November 03, 2009, 11:43:36 PM
This is coming from a guy who does go off road: Most of the time, you can get by with a passenger car on non-paved roads. The only situation you are likely to be in where you need to get up a road too tough for a passenger car is for work, in which case, you have a work truck. High-clearance off-road capable vehicles are nice if you use them a lot, because they're better at it.
My parents wrote a hiking book with 100 hikes in the Oregon and Washington Cascades. Many hikes were remote, etc. They hiked every single one, and accessed every single trailhead with a 1996 Buick LeSabre. They got turned back once because of the road.
Oh.
Well, I wouldn't want to drive a 911 Turbo on anything more than a gravel road. :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
:nono:
Cayenne GTS with 6 spd.
Ehh, I thought about it, but I heard the manual wasn't very good and I think the Turbo is better off-road.
I'm really mad yall beat me to the 911 Turbo. It's completely PERFECT. You can get a roof rack to put all your crap in, go insanely fast, drive around in the snow, and if need be you
could jam someone in the back seat.
Quote from: Psilos on November 03, 2009, 11:56:31 PM
People used to drive giant RWD sedans and Porsche 356s in snow, without snow tires, and survived. AWD is nice, but it's not a safety item.
They still have a ton of trouble going up steep hills.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 03, 2009, 11:46:47 PM
As much as I like having a truck, this is spot on. You'd be surprised how far you can make it off road with a car. And if you can't get all the way to the destination, then there's a little hike, which isn't a bad thing. Sometimes you walk (or ride your bike) a bit farther, but I have never not gotten to where I wanted to go because I own a car.
And I gave thought to something like a WRX or Land Cruiser before I decided on the P-car (forgot about that damn Tacoma though :lol:).
Meh--I've taken the Aveo places it had no reason to be (and I have the dentz to prove it), but I think I would be much more hesitant to do that if I knew there was 0 possibility that I'd be getting a new car if something happened to it.
Not to mention, the benefits of a larger vehicle reach far beyond offroading. What if you want to take a long trip? What if you want to just throw your crap in your car and move across the country? What if you want to buy a new chair? A big TV? What to take your friends somewhere? The original prompt mentioned that this would have to be a family hauler. What about them?
Quote from: The Pirate on November 03, 2009, 11:46:47 PM
As much as I like having a truck, this is spot on. You'd be surprised how far you can make it off road with a car. And if you can't get all the way to the destination, then there's a little hike, which isn't a bad thing. Sometimes you walk (or ride your bike) a bit farther, but I have never not gotten to where I wanted to go because I own a car.
Says the guy who bought an Explorer? :huh:
I have definitely had to find a ride with someone else because my car could not get to the camping area I wanted to go. I still got there, but it sucks not being able to do that stuff on your own and having to depend on other people.
The idea of seeking outside assistance every time I need to buy, move, or dispose of even a relatively small item is just not worth it. A few weekends ago I spent the better part of two hours breaking down all the cardboard boxes that I used to ship my crap to NC. I wanted to take them to the recycling drop-off but they simply wouldn't fit in my car. It would have been a 5-minute ordeal with a truck.
Quote from: Psilos on November 03, 2009, 11:43:36 PM
This is coming from a guy who does go off road: Most of the time, you can get by with a passenger car on non-paved roads. The only situation you are likely to be in where you need to get up a road too tough for a passenger car is for work, in which case, you have a work truck. High-clearance off-road capable vehicles are nice if you use them a lot, because they're better at it.
Is your Explorer your work truck?
Does this count as a car? If so it's all I need.
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Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 10:50:19 PM
What if you need to haul stuff, or need to go offroad?
1. Rent a van or drive the wife's car
2. When does anyone ever *need* to go offroad? They made roads for a reason....
My only gripe with the 911 is that there's no back seat. If I couldn't get something practical for the wife I would go with an E39 Dinan S2.
Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2009, 11:05:35 PM
So you know that in the 50-60 years you'll have the car that you'll never go offroad?
You know in 50-60 years you won't know someone that will let you borrow his car or won't be able to rent a truck?
997 GT3 for me. Black wheels. And a second set with snow tires.
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You know in 50-60 years you won't know someone that will let you borrow his car or won't be able to rent a truck?
Depending on other people for day-to-day stuff sucks. I'm sure I could rent a van to fetch a $50 table from a seller on Craigslist; but man, what a bitch that would be.
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 07:29:41 AM
Depending on other people for day-to-day stuff sucks. I'm sure I could rent a van to fetch a $50 table from a seller on Craigslist; but man, what a bitch that would be.
You buy a table from Craigslist everyday?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=20378.msg1195126#msg1195126 date=1257345972
You buy a table from Craigslist everyday?
One day I might by a table, the other I might need to take my cardboard boxes to the recycling bin, the next I might want to take my dog to the park, then I want to take a weekend to go camping with my friends, and then a few days later I want to take a group of friends to a ballgame, and then a few days later I want to clear some brush from my back yard, and then the following weekend I want to buy a new lawnmower for my snazzy yard....
The phrase "day-to-day" doesn't mean, to me, that you necessarily do each and every one those things every single day, just that it wouldn't be unusual to find yourself doing it on an ordinary day: that it isn't some exceptional, all-important event.
Can a 911 tow a small trailer?
Probs.
I've always said I must own a 90-93 MX-5 of some kind. So I already have my only one car.
Continental GT perhaps.
I don't know about you guys but I don't know if I can live with a 911 Turbo/GT3 on everyday roads. I already find a lot of sports cars too rough for me on bad days with the road conditions around here.
Quote from: SVT_Power on November 04, 2009, 12:21:03 PM
Continental GT perhaps.
I don't know about you guys but I don't know if I can live with a 911 Turbo/GT3 on everyday roads. I already find a lot of sports cars too rough for me on bad days with the road conditions around here.
I'm finding that the older I get the less I like that crap. 10 years ago I would laugh at the idea of a "comfortable" car.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 04, 2009, 12:32:52 PM
I'm finding that the older I get the less I like that crap. 10 years ago I would laugh at the idea of a "comfortable" car.
Yeah me too. My SVTF is about as stiff as I wanna get anymore. I guess that's why I found the Genesis Coupe way too rough but some of the younger guys on the forum didn't.
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 07:54:55 AM
One day I might by a table, the other I might need to take my cardboard boxes to the recycling bin, the next I might want to take my dog to the park, then I want to take a weekend to go camping with my friends, and then a few days later I want to take a group of friends to a ballgame, and then a few days later I want to clear some brush from my back yard, and then the following weekend I want to buy a new lawnmower for my snazzy yard....
The phrase "day-to-day" doesn't mean, to me, that you necessarily do each and every one those things every single day, just that it wouldn't be unusual to find yourself doing it on an ordinary day: that it isn't some exceptional, all-important event.
So you would rather sacrifice the enjoyability of your daily drives for occasional functionality?
IDK man.
I have family, friends & U-Haul. Plus I don't really do that much hauling (or driving for that matter). So maybe my own day to day routine colors my choice.
But I wouldn't want to drive an SUV just because maybe 8-10 days out of the year I might have to haul something.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 04, 2009, 12:32:52 PM
I'm finding that the older I get the less I like that crap. 10 years ago I would laugh at the idea of a "comfortable" car.
Quote from: HEMI666 on November 04, 2009, 12:39:00 PM
Yeah me too. My SVTF is about as stiff as I wanna get anymore. I guess that's why I found the Genesis Coupe way too rough but some of the younger guys on the forum didn't.
Damn it now I feel old :lol:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 04, 2009, 01:12:21 PM
So you would rather sacrifice the enjoyability of your daily drives for occasional functionality?
IDK man.
I have family, friends & U-Haul. Plus I don't really do that much hauling (or driving for that matter). So maybe my own day to day routine colors my choice.
But I wouldn't want to drive an SUV just because maybe 8-10 days out of the year I might have to haul something.
It depends on your lifestyle I guess.
I must admit though, I never understood why people complained about stiff springs until I hurt my back a few weeks ago. It was just a light sprain. But I was in pain over every jolt. To have to deal with that kind of ride 90% of the time for performance I'll get to access 10% of the time makes no sense. But if my back holds up I will be OK with a relatively stiffly sprung but well damped car.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 04, 2009, 01:12:21 PM
So you would rather sacrifice the enjoyability of your daily drives for occasional functionality?
Who said anything about that?
A couple points:
1) My commute consists of a 2-3 mile straight shot from my house to the entrance of my school. There are exactly two interesting curves that I can have any fun with, and usually traffic is thick enough that other, speed-related fun is out of the question.
2) What is it that I enjoy, most often, on drives? Sure, I love to wring my car out from time to time, but that's not the only way I enjoy driving. I also like to listen to good music. I like fun company. I like to explore new places. I like to open my windows, even in the dead of winter or heat of summer. I like the ebb of traffic. I like the feeling of freedom and movement I get no matter what kind of car I drive.
3) Some of the most enjoyable drives of my life involved me put-putting around at about 30-40 mph on an unremarkable road in the middle of nowhere.
QuoteBut I wouldn't want to drive an SUV just because maybe 8-10 days out of the year I might have to haul something.
Meh--there's a lot of factors I mentioned besides payload. How is that 911 going to fit 4 friends so you can go to a ballgame? How is it going to take your kids to school and drop your wife off at work on the way? Now, this kind of stuff doesn't need to be fulfilled by a pick-up truck, and really I don't see anything wrong with a person who would choose a car for this hypothetical.
I just think it's kind of silly--every poll on here, no matter what the restrictions, you get people saying, "Oh, I'd buy a 911," or "I'd get a Ferrari." It's kind of a boring, automatic response, isn't it? Sure, I yearn for those rides too. I'd sell my left arm for a Porsche Turbo. I just thought those answers were a little uncreative in the context of the OP.
I don't think I can answer the question on the topic still. I thought I can do it with one car but still hasn't happened. I guess an STi may do for now but I don't think I would want to drive one for the rest of my life.
Why the hell would I only want to own one car for the rest of my life?
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 01:39:59 PM
Who said anything about that?
A couple points:
1) My commute consists of a 2-3 mile straight shot from my house to the entrance of my school. There are exactly two interesting curves that I can have any fun with, and usually traffic is thick enough that other, speed-related fun is out of the question.
Do you plan to be in that same school for the rest of your life?
Quote
2) What is it that I enjoy, most often, on drives? Sure, I love to wring my car out from time to time, but that's not the only way I enjoy driving. I also like to listen to good music. I like fun company. I like to explore new places. I like to open my windows, even in the dead of winter or heat of summer. I like the ebb of traffic. I like the feeling of freedom and movement I get no matter what kind of car I drive.
Well I agree that this is an individual choice. Personally I like good music, but I hate traffic, I hate being distracted by passengers... and often these days driving for me means I'm going to fix something on my car, which I hate to do if it's not a new fun part, or I'm running an errand which is usually not fun. I guess right now driving is just a sour point for me, and a vehicle of utility would remove the last bit of enjoyability I get from it all.
Quote3) Some of the most enjoyable drives of my life involved me put-putting around at about 30-40 mph on an unremarkable road in the middle of nowhere.
My most enjoyable + memorable drives involve open roads & redlines in high gears.
QuoteMeh--there's a lot of factors I mentioned besides payload. How is that 911 going to fit 4 friends so you can go to a ballgame? How is it going to take your kids to school and drop your wife off at work on the way? Now, this kind of stuff doesn't need to be fulfilled by a pick-up truck, and really I don't see anything wrong with a person who would choose a car for this hypothetical.
I conceded to a 911 being a bit extreme, but I def wouldn't go with a truck over something realistically practical like an M5. Plus my wife would have her own car to drop the kids off in. I hate shuttling people around.
QuoteI just think it's kind of silly--every poll on here, no matter what the restrictions, you get people saying, "Oh, I'd buy a 911," or "I'd get a Ferrari." It's kind of a boring, automatic response, isn't it? Sure, I yearn for those rides too. I'd sell my left arm for a Porsche Turbo. I just thought those answers were a little uncreative in the context of the OP.
I think it's strange that given the choice of owning any car ever made for the rest of one's life a person on a car enthusiast message board would choose practicality + utility over the quality of the driving experience. Not to say you're wrong, but to me it would make more sense for a car head to want to own something he/she would enjoy driving.
Plus from my personal experience most driving is not for pleasure but rather for some end purpose for something or someone I don't necessarily want to serve. A 911 Turbo to me represents driving for pleasure and having the freedom of not having to compromise on a car choice for practical means. Not to say your choice is wrong, but I think your POV is wrong. There are people DDing 911s everywhere... I don't think it's that unfathomable. A Ferrari or GT3? Yea I think that would be a stretch.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 04, 2009, 02:17:21 PM
Do you plan to be in that same school for the rest of your life?
I don't know what my commutes will be like in the future, but I do know that my commutes are generally not where I get my enjoyment out of driving (not to mention that I already said that I enjoy other aspects of driving besides wringing out my car)
QuoteWell I agree that this is an individual choice. Personally I like good music, but I hate traffic, I hate being distracted by passengers... and often these days driving for me means I'm going to fix something on my car, which I hate to do if it's not a new fun part, or I'm running an errand which is usually not fun. I guess right now driving is just a sour point for me, and a vehicle of utility would remove the last bit of enjoyability I get from it all.
My most enjoyable + memorable drives involve open roads & redlines in high gears.
Sounds like you need to get the F out of NYC every once in awhile. I can see how that would be a drag.
QuotePlus my wife would have her own car to drop the kids off in.
I don't think you can cheat the hypo like that.It says you only get one car and you have to use it for family duties.
QuoteI think it's strange that given the choice of owning any car ever made for the rest of one's life a person on a car enthusiast message board would choose practicality + utility over the quality of the driving experience.
I think it's strange that a person who proposes to be a car enthusiast defines enthusiasm so limitedly. What, I can't be enthused about the car I drive unless it weighs 1,500lbs and built to do nothing but pound out apexes on a track? Enthusiasm ends at performance?
Whould you make fun of me if I started a Bel-Air project? A '59 El Dorado?
Isn't there a reason we have more forums than just "The Fast Lane" on CarSPIN?
QuoteNot to say you're wrong, but to me it would make more sense for a car head to want to own something he/she would enjoy driving.
There you go again, telling me what I will and will not enjoy. :nono:
I'M telling YOU that I would get IMMENSE enjoyment out of owning a Tacoma. In fact, I told you I HAVE gotten immense enjoyment out of owning a Tacoma (or close to it).
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 02:35:35 PM
Isn't there a reason we have more forums than just "The Fast Lane" on CarSPIN?
This is a very good point. I think we should lock all of the forums except for The Fast Lane. That would be a step in the right direction. Don't worry, Aveo can come, too.
I gotta say, at this point I could see myself sticking with the WRX for a long time. It meets all my needs quite well.
(http://www.wheeltronix.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Porsche_Panamera_Turbo_01.jpg)
Assuming it actually does look a lot better in person.
I'd prefer a Quattroporte or Rapide, but I don't think I'd want to maintain one of those as a DD for 50+ years. (or any car for that matter, but I trust Porsches to be more durable than practically anything else interesting).
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 05:32:33 AM
Meh--I've taken the Aveo places it had no reason to be (and I have the dentz to prove it), but I think I would be much more hesitant to do that if I knew there was 0 possibility that I'd be getting a new car if something happened to it.
Not to mention, the benefits of a larger vehicle reach far beyond offroading. What if you want to take a long trip? What if you want to just throw your crap in your car and move across the country? What if you want to buy a new chair? A big TV? What to take your friends somewhere? The original prompt mentioned that this would have to be a family hauler. What about them?
Says the guy who bought an Explorer? :huh:
I have definitely had to find a ride with someone else because my car could not get to the camping area I wanted to go. I still got there, but it sucks not being able to do that stuff on your own and having to depend on other people.
The idea of seeking outside assistance every time I need to buy, move, or dispose of even a relatively small item is just not worth it. A few weekends ago I spent the better part of two hours breaking down all the cardboard boxes that I used to ship my crap to NC. I wanted to take them to the recycling drop-off but they simply wouldn't fit in my car. It would have been a 5-minute ordeal with a truck.
I like that we're arguing for the opposite of what we own. :lol:
Anyway, yeah, you're right. For someone who has a lot of use for an SUV/truck, that makes more sense. Also, roads in the Rockies are usually shittier than roads in the PNW. My point was that you don't need a giant 4WD to get to the occasional trailhead or camping spot. Beyond that, having a large vehicle is just a convenience thing. If you don't mind dealing with loading big things in small cars, or having a trailer, or borrowing a friend's truck, then a small car isn't unrealistic. Personally, I would rather own a small sports car and deal with it than a big truck (obviously, both is best).
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 05:33:35 AM
Is your Explorer your work truck?
Nope. That falls to any one of a few gubment rigs.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 04, 2009, 06:15:23 AM
1. Rent a van or drive the wife's car
2. When does anyone ever *need* to go offroad? They made roads for a reason....
My only gripe with the 911 is that there's no back seat. If I couldn't get something practical for the wife I would go with an E39 Dinan S2.
I
need to go off-pavement quite a bit, in fact. There are a lot of rural people who have a lot of legitimate reasons to be off-pavement.
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 01:39:59 PM
I just think it's kind of silly--every poll on here, no matter what the restrictions, you get people saying, "Oh, I'd buy a 911," or "I'd get a Ferrari." It's kind of a boring, automatic response, isn't it? Sure, I yearn for those rides too. I'd sell my left arm for a Porsche Turbo. I just thought those answers were a little uncreative in the context of the OP.
Maybe that's because the 911 is the perfect car. :lol:
Quote from: Psilos on November 04, 2009, 03:53:50 PM
I need to go off-pavement quite a bit, in fact. There are a lot of rural people who have a lot of legitimate reasons to be off-pavement.
Off-pavement other than a well maintained gravel road?
I live pretty rural, and that's the worse conditions I ever need to drive in.
Quote from: Psilos on November 04, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Maybe that's because the 911 is the perfect car. :lol:
It's damn close. I just wouldn't want to commit to no comfortable back seat for that long.
I'm declaring myself the winner. :praise:
Quote from: TBR on November 04, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Off-pavement other than a well maintained gravel road?
I live pretty rural, and that's the worse conditions I ever need to drive in.
Yes, as applies to both me and rural people. Remember that conditions are different in different parts of the country. In the Pacific Northwest, west of the Cascades, almost no one has much of a reason to go off-well-maintained-gravel, because there are very very few roads that aren't well-maintained or paved. However, in Idaho, a lot of people live or recreate on crappy dirt roads, because so many of the roads out here are crappy and dirt.
Quote from: Payman on November 04, 2009, 04:02:23 PM
I'm declaring myself the winner. :praise:
What did you pick?
(http://www.lifesure.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hidey-hole-for-your-car.jpg)
:rockon:
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 07:54:55 AM
One day I might by a table, the other I might need to take my cardboard boxes to the recycling bin, the next I might want to take my dog to the park, then I want to take a weekend to go camping with my friends, and then a few days later I want to take a group of friends to a ballgame, and then a few days later I want to clear some brush from my back yard, and then the following weekend I want to buy a new lawnmower for my snazzy yard....
The phrase "day-to-day" doesn't mean, to me, that you necessarily do each and every one those things every single day, just that it wouldn't be unusual to find yourself doing it on an ordinary day: that it isn't some exceptional, all-important event.
Well, all those things would be terribly unusual for me on an ordinary day, as I've never done any of those things (except for going to a ballgame, but all my friends have cars). I stand by my choice.
EDIT: But I am by no means saying that it's the right choice for you. Some choices I've seen have been a bit boring, but I won't say that you should get a 599 to drive daily without a backup. Even with regard to normal cars, there are more fun alternatives that don't really sacrifice too much versatility. If I could have two cars instead of just one, I'd probably throw in a Volvo V70R or previous generation Legacy 2.5GT or spec.B (wagon if they were sold with a stick, which I think they were for a short period) because it's always going to be more practical to have two cars than one.
Quote from: Psilos on November 04, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Maybe that's because the 911 is the perfect car. :lol:
True that.
Quote from: TBR on November 04, 2009, 03:49:16 PM
(http://www.wheeltronix.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Porsche_Panamera_Turbo_01.jpg)
Assuming it actually does look a lot better in person.
I'd prefer a Quattroporte or Rapide, but I don't think I'd want to maintain one of those as a DD for 50+ years. (or any car for that matter, but I trust Porsches to be more durable than practically anything else interesting).
+1
Everything I've read about this car has been heaps of praise and it will certainly last better than a comparable Maser. And since Ill be on the inside most of the time, the ugly won't be a problem.
Either of these would work pretty damn well too.
(http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/07/mercedes_c63_amg.jpg)
(http://www.carsandreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/2010-audi-s4-exterior-interior-1.jpg)
(http://allcarsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/75590.jpg)
I need 4 doors, good looks and ample luxury, awesome power, and a good sporting ride. The Mercs awesome V8 rumble might just win out in the end honestly.
Quote from: NACar on November 04, 2009, 08:05:02 AM
Can a 911 tow a small trailer?
It doesn't even come with tow-hitch at the rear AFAIK.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 05, 2009, 08:13:28 AM
It doesn't even come with tow-hitch at the rear AFAIK.
You bolt it to the engine block.
Quote from: Tave on November 04, 2009, 01:39:59 PM
I'd sell my left arm for a Porsche Turbo.
How do you plan on shifting then? :lol:
Quote from: J86 on November 05, 2009, 05:49:51 PM
How do you plan on shifting then? :lol:
With mah knees. :praise: How do you steer, with your hands? :rolleyes:
Quote from: J86 on November 05, 2009, 05:49:51 PM
How do you plan on shifting then? :lol:
The 996s and up came in automatic
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 05, 2009, 07:32:38 PM
The 996s and up came in automatic
Uh, no. 964s came with Tiptronics, too. So did the 993s.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 05, 2009, 07:56:21 PM
Uh, no. 964s came with Tiptronics, too. So did the 993s.
The 964/993 Turbo did not come with an automatic.
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 05, 2009, 08:14:38 PM
The 964/993 Turbo did not come with an automatic.
http://www.porsche964.co.uk/history/964bio.htm
Check out 1989. A Tiptronic sure as hell ain't a manual.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 05, 2009, 08:20:00 PM
http://www.porsche964.co.uk/history/964bio.htm
Check out 1989. A Tiptronic sure as hell ain't a manual.
I repeat, the TURBO did not come with an automatic.
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 05, 2009, 08:24:27 PM
I repeat, the TURBO did not come with an automatic.
My bad. Yeah, you're right on that one.
Audi S4. Practical enough that you could use it for mundane crap, such as commuting, carrying a few people or some stuff, all-wheel drive that will make winter driving less 'fun' that pure high power rear drive cars, and something you could potentially park downtown without having to be paranoid about somebody trying to steal it.
On the fun side, you have a 330hp car that handles like a champ with a 6-speed manual transmission. Sure, it may cost $50k, but you're driving it for the rest of your life, so might as well spend the money.
(http://www.analogstereo.com/images/om/land_rover_range_rover.jpg)
Pip pip!
Quote from: 3.0L V6 on November 05, 2009, 08:57:10 PM
Audi S4. Practical enough that you could use it for mundane crap, such as commuting, carrying a few people or some stuff, all-wheel drive that will make winter driving less 'fun' that pure high power rear drive cars, and something you could potentially park downtown without having to be paranoid about somebody trying to steal it.
On the fun side, you have a 330hp car that handles like a champ with a 6-speed manual transmission. Sure, it may cost $50k, but you're driving it for the rest of your life, so might as well spend the money.
How fitting, with your name being 3.0L V6 and all :praise:
2010 Audi S6. 5.2L V10 making 435 HP should satisfy my need for speed, plus the combination of handling and room is just about perfect. BUt could anyone here really be satisfied with just one car for the rest of their life? Not a chance!
(http://www.fireblades.org/motors/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/audi-s6-2009.jpg)
Quote from: 3.0L V6 on November 05, 2009, 08:57:10 PM
Audi S4. Practical enough that you could use it for mundane crap, such as commuting, carrying a few people or some stuff, all-wheel drive that will make winter driving less 'fun' that pure high power rear drive cars, and something you could potentially park downtown without having to be paranoid about somebody trying to steal it.
On the fun side, you have a 330hp car that handles like a champ with a 6-speed manual transmission. Sure, it may cost $50k, but you're driving it for the rest of your life, so might as well spend the money.
I am really thinking about the B5 S4 tiptronic....
Timebomb, but otherwise fits my needs right now.
I don't know why I like Audis all of a sudden. I like A4s way more than 3-series.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2009, 09:06:10 AM
I am really thinking about the B5 S4 tiptronic....
Timebomb, but otherwise fits my needs right now.
I don't know why I like Audis all of a sudden. I like A4s way more than 3-series.
Well, that's easy. Audi's are superior in every way. :praise: Either that or you subconsciously grew tired of the BMW styling idiom and are looking for something different, preferably with a really big nose.
Quote from: saxonyron on November 07, 2009, 04:47:17 PM
Well, that's easy. Audi's are superior in every way. :praise: Either that or you subconsciously grew tired of the BMW styling idiom and are looking for something different, preferably with a really big nose.
Pfft, BMW>Audi. :lol:
At least in RWD vs. AWD offerings. AWD vs. AWD, I'd go Audi.
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 07, 2009, 04:57:34 PM
Pfft, BMW>Audi. :lol:
At least in RWD vs. AWD offerings. AWD vs. AWD, I'd go Audi.
For the most part, yes. It would be nice if BMW grew a pair and made the sport suspension standard.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 07, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
For the most part, yes. It would be nice if BMW grew a pair and made the sport suspension standard.
Why should they make it standard if most people don't want it....? :confused:
Now I feel stupid for choosing a Fit.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 07, 2009, 05:09:53 PM
Now I feel stupid for choosing a Fit.
LOL.
It's not set in stone. What car do you have in mind now?
Quote from: MrH on November 07, 2009, 05:05:25 PM
Why should they make it standard if most people don't want it....? :confused:
BMWs are supposed to be sports sedans, are they not?
They're marketed as premium sports sedans, no? Suburban housewives can go fuck themselves if they don't like it.
Quote from: the Teuton on November 07, 2009, 05:27:34 PM
BMWs are supposed to be sports sedans, are they not?
They're marketed as premium sports sedans, no? Suburban housewives can go fuck themselves if they don't like it.
Or you could just have it as an option, and choose it if you want...
You're an idiot. :facepalm:
Quote from: MrH on November 07, 2009, 05:28:34 PM
Or you could just have it as an option, and choose it if you want...
You're an idiot. :facepalm:
I try to be. :praise:
It takes practice.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2009, 09:06:10 AM
I am really thinking about the B5 S4 tiptronic....
Timebomb, but otherwise fits my needs right now.
I don't know why I like Audis all of a sudden. I like A4s way more than 3-series.
What's the timebomb aspect to B5 S4s?
Quote from: MaxPower on November 07, 2009, 07:43:59 PM
What's the timebomb aspect to B5 S4s?
German + two turbos + Audi suspension = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Quote from: TBR on November 08, 2009, 05:18:20 PM
German + two turbos + Audi suspension = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
but nothing more specific than that?
The turbos in that S4 go kaput at about 60-70K and need to be replaced.
Quote from: Tave on November 08, 2009, 05:25:35 PM
The turbos in that S4 go kaput at about 60-70K and need to be replaced.
Eh, my 2000 A6 2.7T is basically the same twin turbo engine on the B5 S4. I sold it to an employee back in 2006 who still works for me. The car had 120k miles, now has over 150k miles. Original turbos, no failures. In fact no problems of significance with the whole engine. The front end does beat you up with ball joints, tie rod ends, etc. etc. BUt that's $3-400 a couple times a year. No big deal in the big scheme of things. Of course if you get one that was abused by the previous owner, you can have issues. I took real good care of the car, never stressed the turbos without proper warm up , cool down, kept the oil fresh, etc. If you can find a decent used one where you actually know the history of the car, you might be on solid footing. Besides, the thrill of having an S4 would far outweigh the minor inconvenience of a $4,000 twin turbo swap! :devil: :lol:
I'm just telling you what Audi and Audi technicians have told my friends who owned B5 S4s, after their turbos failed @ 60-70K. Also, if you search for the problem online, you'll come up with a lot of hits.
When the turbos go the engine doesn't asplode or anything, it just loses power.
If I was going down the 4dr super saloon route:
(http://www.carautoportal.com/car-images/audi/audi-rs4/audi-rs4-2008.jpg)
I do love the RS4.
I'd probably get an M3 Saloon.