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Andr?
Very nice! B)
Thats one classy limo.
Now if Volkswagen made their Passat like that but in a regular sedan form, It would've looked so much nicer. It looks much curvier than the regular one, which I like.
looks racy and luxurious at the same time. B)
good job. :praise:
:lol: Nice work.
Can you say sloooooooow??
Quote:lol: Nice work.
Can you say sloooooooow??
Faster than the usual gigantic Town Cars, I'll bet =P
QuoteQuote:lol: Nice work.
Can you say sloooooooow??
Faster than the usual gigantic Town Cars, I'll bet =P
I doubt it.
I don't. 230hp isn't much for a 6000-7000 lb car.
I don't. Town Cars are very heavy and don't have a huge amount of power. 0-60s in the mid-8s. The 3.6-liter standard Passat does 0-60 in the 6s IIRC. It would still be quicker.
6.6 is the official time, more likely it will be about 6.4.
surprisingly sexy
Quote6.6 is the official time, more likely it will be about 6.4.
With a manual most likely. What would the time be with an auto? Well into the 7's probably.
Nope, the 3.6l is auto only (and the 2.0t is if you want any options . rokon.gif).
QuoteI don't. Town Cars are very heavy and don't have a huge amount of power. 0-60s in the mid-8s. The 3.6-liter standard Passat does 0-60 in the 6s IIRC. It would still be quicker.
From what I saw on the latest Town Car, it does 0-60 in roughly 10 seconds or more. Less than 11 though.
QuoteI don't. Town Cars are very heavy and don't have a huge amount of power. 0-60s in the mid-8s. The 3.6-liter standard Passat does 0-60 in the 6s IIRC. It would still be quicker.
The weight change from a regualar TC to a limo TC will be smaller than from a regular Passat to a limo Passat.
Why would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
QuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
QuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
:praise: :rockon:
QuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
Which means I'd be about a mile ahead where the limo is only about 100 feet down the track. :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
Which means I'd be about a mile ahead where the limo is only about 100 feet down the track. :praise:
I'd be about 10feet ahead of the TC, and you'd be about a mile infront of both of us. <_<
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
Which means I'd be about a mile ahead where the limo is only about 100 feet down the track. :praise:
I'd be about 10feet ahead of the TC, and you'd be about a mile infront of both of us. <_<
:lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
Which means I'd be about a mile ahead where the limo is only about 100 feet down the track. :praise:
I'd be about 10feet ahead of the TC, and you'd be about a mile infront of both of us. <_<
:lol:
Unless i use my hardtails super fast accelerating power and 0wn you. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
Which means I'd be about a mile ahead where the limo is only about 100 feet down the track. :praise:
I'd be about 10feet ahead of the TC, and you'd be about a mile infront of both of us. <_<
:lol:
Unless i use my hardtails super fast accelerating power and 0wn you. :lol:
I dunno...I'll have to whip out my super fast cross-country racing skills and my bike's superior speed-oriented geometry over your bike's laid back, low-seat, dirt jumper geo. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
Which means I'd be about a mile ahead where the limo is only about 100 feet down the track. :praise:
I'd be about 10feet ahead of the TC, and you'd be about a mile infront of both of us. <_<
:lol:
Unless i use my hardtails super fast accelerating power and 0wn you. :lol:
I dunno...I'll have to whip out my super fast cross-country racing skills and my bike's superior speed-oriented geometry over your bike's laid back, low-seat, dirt jumper geo. ;)
But your rear suspension will absorb lots of energy, making you go slower, while my hardtail directly transfers all my energy to the back wheel.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
Which means I'd be about a mile ahead where the limo is only about 100 feet down the track. :praise:
I'd be about 10feet ahead of the TC, and you'd be about a mile infront of both of us. <_<
:lol:
Unless i use my hardtails super fast accelerating power and 0wn you. :lol:
I dunno...I'll have to whip out my super fast cross-country racing skills and my bike's superior speed-oriented geometry over your bike's laid back, low-seat, dirt jumper geo. ;)
But your rear suspension will absorb lots of energy, making you go slower, while my hardtail directly transfers all my energy to the back wheel.
But while my rear suspension is finely tuned and I have the skills to make my suspension bob never, I still think I'd win. ;) And plus, to get the full power of your legs, you'd have to stand up, which actually tires you out faster. While with my XC seat height and geometry I can get full extension of my legs efficiently with zero pedal bob. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
A standard Town Car couldn't beat Raghavan on his bicycle.
Which means I'd be about a mile ahead where the limo is only about 100 feet down the track. :praise:
I'd be about 10feet ahead of the TC, and you'd be about a mile infront of both of us. <_<
:lol:
Unless i use my hardtails super fast accelerating power and 0wn you. :lol:
I dunno...I'll have to whip out my super fast cross-country racing skills and my bike's superior speed-oriented geometry over your bike's laid back, low-seat, dirt jumper geo. ;)
But your rear suspension will absorb lots of energy, making you go slower, while my hardtail directly transfers all my energy to the back wheel.
But while my rear suspension is finely tuned and I have the skills to make my suspension bob never, I still think I'd win. ;) And plus, to get the full power of your legs, you'd have to stand up, which actually tires you out faster. While with my XC seat height and geometry I can get full extension of my legs efficiently with zero pedal bob. ;)
Actually, i can get full leg extension. It's called raising the seat. but now, i've got it set at the lowest. :praise:
I'd still win. ;)
QuoteI'd still win. ;)
Well, you suck. :lol:
Whoops...double
QuoteWhoops...double
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QuoteWhy would that be?
And even a standard Town Car probably couldn't beat an extended-length Passat.
Ha! Now that's just untrue :)
Why would you say that?
The Passat would be overburdened with weight. A standard Passat is much lighter than a limo version would be.
The Town Car is also overburdened, even without a stretch job. I think they would be similarly slow, after being converted to limo size a Passat would likely weigh the same as a standard Town Car and they have similar amounts of power.
QuoteThe Town Car is also overburdened, even without a stretch job. I think they would be similarly slow, after being converted to limo size a Passat would likely weigh the same as a standard Town Car and they have similar amounts of power.
The Town Car isn't overburdened.
For $45000 it most certainly is.
You're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
QuoteThe Town Car is also overburdened, even without a stretch job. I think they would be similarly slow, after being converted to limo size a Passat would likely weigh the same as a standard Town Car and they have similar amounts of power.
There is a 7-800 pound difference stock. I'm willing to bet a Passat converted to a limo would add more weight, especially if it were given a needed RWD drivetrain. With the 3.6 it would have less torqe than the Linc's 4.6.
QuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
Agreed, it's market buyer does not like to accelerate fast, but wants acceptable torque down low. For what it's worth, it travels quite capably at high speeds.
QuoteQuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
Agreed, it's market buyer does not like to accelerate fast, but wants acceptable torque down low. For what it's worth, it travels quite capably at high speeds.
Deffinitely.
QuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
Sorry, if I am spending $45000-$50000 on a car I expect better than average performance, not an unreasonable demand at all.
And, why would the Passat have to be converted to RWD? There are thousands of FWD Cadillac limos out there.
QuoteQuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
Sorry, if I am spending $45000-$50000 on a car I expect better than average performance, not an unreasonable demand at all.
And, why would the Passat have to be converted to RWD? There are thousands of FWD Cadillac limos out there.
But, as Tom stated the buyers aren't lookin' for performance...it's a cruiser. Not meant to be fast, but comfy as hell for cruisin' down the highway and around town.
QuoteQuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
Sorry, if I am spending $45000-$50000 on a car I expect better than average performance, not an unreasonable demand at all.
And, why would the Passat have to be converted to RWD? There are thousands of FWD Cadillac limos out there.
Ok, even with FWD, I think you are underestimating the weight gain. Not only is the more metal, but big-ass seats and more weight going into structural support.
Just because the buyers don't want performance doesn't mean it isn't slower than it should be. Ford must be making $15k on those things, you would have to be a sucker to buy a new one imho when the much superior DTS is similarly priced.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
Sorry, if I am spending $45000-$50000 on a car I expect better than average performance, not an unreasonable demand at all.
And, why would the Passat have to be converted to RWD? There are thousands of FWD Cadillac limos out there.
Ok, even with FWD, I think you are underestimating the weight gain. Not only is the more metal, but big-ass seats and more weight going into structural support.
No I am not, I am perfectly aware that a stretch could add 1000 or so lbs, but the car already weighs 3700 lbs so porportionally that isn't enough weight to make the car take longer than 8.5 seconds to get to 60.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
Sorry, if I am spending $45000-$50000 on a car I expect better than average performance, not an unreasonable demand at all.
And, why would the Passat have to be converted to RWD? There are thousands of FWD Cadillac limos out there.
Ok, even with FWD, I think you are underestimating the weight gain. Not only is the more metal, but big-ass seats and more weight going into structural support.
No I am not, I am perfectly aware that a stretch could add 1000 or so lbs, but the car already weighs 3700 lbs so porportionally that isn't enough weight to make the car take longer than 8.5 seconds to get to 60.
Well there's more than just weight...there's aerodynamic drag added as well, not just above the car but below as well. :)
An extension shouldn't effect the aerodynamics of the car and even if it did it wouldn't matter much at just 60 mph.
QuoteAn extension shouldn't effect the aerodynamics of the car and even if it did it wouldn't matter much at just 60 mph.
I think you'd be surprised...
I think I wouldn't, our family has a garage full of vehicles with brick wall style aerodynamics.
Ok. Take a biker and have him coast down a good length steep hill while sitting straight up so all the wind hits him. Time him and if possible clock his speed.
Then have the same biker do the same thing again, but have him tuck into an aerodynamic position. I can gurantee his time and top speed will be much better than the previous run, and that's going maybe 20 MPH and a bike and person is very small compared to a car...
I think you would be surprised.
QuoteOk. Take a biker and have him coast down a good length steep hill while sitting straight up so all the wind hits him. Time him and if possible clock his speed.
Then have the same biker do the same thing again, but have him tuck into an aerodynamic position. I can gurantee his time and top speed will be much better than the previous run, and that's going maybe 20 MPH and a bike and person is very small compared to a car...
I think you would be surprised.
Riding a bike is a bit different than driving a car, with a car you have a whole lot more power so the aerodynamics take effect much later.
A biker is completely different from a car. A car is not a person, and does not respond to certain factors, such as minimal extra wind buffeting, that would prove too hard for a human to maintain.
Ok, here's a better comparison...
Stick your hand out the window at 20 MPH...quite a bit of resistance. Then lay your hand flat so the air flows over it...much less resistance.
What I'm saying is that the more surface area there is that comes into contact with the wind, the more wind resistance there will be.
QuoteOk, here's a better comparison...
Stick your hand out the window at 20 MPH...quite a bit of resistance. Then lay your hand flat so the air flows over it...much less resistance.
What I'm saying is that the more surface area there is that comes into contact with the wind, the more wind resistance there will be.
Well duh, but there isn't enough resistence to have a negative effect on acceleration until you get above 70 or so.
QuoteQuoteOk, here's a better comparison...
Stick your hand out the window at 20 MPH...quite a bit of resistance. Then lay your hand flat so the air flows over it...much less resistance.
What I'm saying is that the more surface area there is that comes into contact with the wind, the more wind resistance there will be.
Well duh, but there isn't enough resistence to have a negative effect on acceleration until you get above 70 or so.
You can't be serious...
QuoteQuoteQuoteOk, here's a better comparison...
Stick your hand out the window at 20 MPH...quite a bit of resistance. Then lay your hand flat so the air flows over it...much less resistance.
What I'm saying is that the more surface area there is that comes into contact with the wind, the more wind resistance there will be.
Well duh, but there isn't enough resistence to have a negative effect on acceleration until you get above 70 or so.
You can't be serious...
Look, the engine will be powerful enogh to over power any hint of drag and resistance until the car gets up to 80 mph or so. until then, it's not really a factor.
Rag is right (that is the first time I have said that ;)), when you have 200+ hp at your disposal the aerodynamics don't matter very much until you get going pretty fast.
I guess I'll take your word for it then.
Good, you just have to realize that a human power is a lot different from a horse power ;), and it is even more different from 200 of those horse powers ;).
I wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
QuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
QuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
I know...you should see how antsy I get once the snow starts melting so I can get out and ride...I hate it so much - it makes the spring go by realllllllly slow. :P :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
I know...you should see how antsy I get once the snow starts melting so I can get out and ride...I hate it so much - it makes the spring go by realllllllly slow. :P :lol:
just get on your POS DS1 and go ride!
QuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
You were comparing the effect aerodynamics have on human power to the effect aerodynamics have on 200+ horse power.
QuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
You were comparing the effect aerodynamics have on human power to the effect aerodynamics have on 200+ horse power.
Coasting a bike doesn't require human power.... :blink:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
I know...you should see how antsy I get once the snow starts melting so I can get out and ride...I hate it so much - it makes the spring go by realllllllly slow. :P :lol:
just get on your POS DS1 and go ride!
POS? <_< I might have to make a pact to not talk to you anymore. Besides, even if my bike was a POS, it's the rider, not the bike. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
You were comparing the effect aerodynamics have on human power to the effect aerodynamics have on 200+ horse power.
Coasting a bike doesn't require human power.... :blink:
Oops, didn't read very carefully ;). Well, when you are accelerating in a car you have constant power and you have a lot more momentum (more weight=more momentum).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
You were comparing the effect aerodynamics have on human power to the effect aerodynamics have on 200+ horse power.
Coasting a bike doesn't require human power.... :blink:
Oops, didn't read very carefully ;). Well, when you are accelerating in a car you have constant power and you have a lot more momentum (more weight=more momentum).
Very true, but it's proportional. A bike and rider weighs about 150 pounds and takes up an area of something like 10 cubic feet (+/- 2) whereas a car weighs 2500+ pounds and takes up a much larger area (I'm not even going to estimate the cubic footage) and in my eyes its somewhat proportional. So in a sense the biker has the "same" amount of momentum as the car.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
I know...you should see how antsy I get once the snow starts melting so I can get out and ride...I hate it so much - it makes the spring go by realllllllly slow. :P :lol:
just get on your POS DS1 and go ride!
POS? <_< I might have to make a pact to not talk to you anymore. Besides, even if my bike was a POS, it's the rider, not the bike. ;)
I'd take my HR in a heartbeat over your DS1. it's an utter POS. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
I know...you should see how antsy I get once the snow starts melting so I can get out and ride...I hate it so much - it makes the spring go by realllllllly slow. :P :lol:
just get on your POS DS1 and go ride!
POS? <_< I might have to make a pact to not talk to you anymore. Besides, even if my bike was a POS, it's the rider, not the bike. ;)
I'd take my HR in a heartbeat over your DS1. it's an utter POS. :lol:
Depends on what riding you wanna do. <_<
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
I know...you should see how antsy I get once the snow starts melting so I can get out and ride...I hate it so much - it makes the spring go by realllllllly slow. :P :lol:
just get on your POS DS1 and go ride!
POS? <_< I might have to make a pact to not talk to you anymore. Besides, even if my bike was a POS, it's the rider, not the bike. ;)
I'd take my HR in a heartbeat over your DS1. it's an utter POS. :lol:
Depends on what riding you wanna do. <_<
Mine's is stronger than yours.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
I know...you should see how antsy I get once the snow starts melting so I can get out and ride...I hate it so much - it makes the spring go by realllllllly slow. :P :lol:
just get on your POS DS1 and go ride!
POS? <_< I might have to make a pact to not talk to you anymore. Besides, even if my bike was a POS, it's the rider, not the bike. ;)
I'd take my HR in a heartbeat over your DS1. it's an utter POS. :lol:
Depends on what riding you wanna do. <_<
Mine's is stronger than yours.
Prove it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't meaning to compare human power to the power of a car, I was simply trying to display my opinion on how surface area affects speed and acceleration...so being the biker that I am, bikes is what came to my mind first. :)
bikes are always on your mind. :praise: :lol:
I know...you should see how antsy I get once the snow starts melting so I can get out and ride...I hate it so much - it makes the spring go by realllllllly slow. :P :lol:
just get on your POS DS1 and go ride!
POS? <_< I might have to make a pact to not talk to you anymore. Besides, even if my bike was a POS, it's the rider, not the bike. ;)
I'd take my HR in a heartbeat over your DS1. it's an utter POS. :lol:
Depends on what riding you wanna do. <_<
Mine's is stronger than yours.
Prove it.
I did, when that guy wrote a review saying that the welds broke on the frame.
So you're going to base your judgement that your bike is stronger than mine by what one person said? That's not very respectable, you know. Any frame in the world can break at the weld, even yours. :rolleyes: If somebody lands the wrong way or is an unskilled rider those chances are greatly increased.
Duration Product Used: 2 Years
Price Paid: $530
Purchased At: hilo bike hub
Strengths: none at all
Weaknesses: every thing
Similar Products Tried: alot of others
Bike Setup: upgraded to avid disk brakes.
Bottom Line: I went 60 miles an hour and press the brakes and they broke and shattered into pieces.after I jumped off my roof it snaped in two peace of $#!+.
OMG! That means my bike is stronger than yours! Not really. <_<
QuoteDuration Product Used: 2 Years
Price Paid: $530
Purchased At: hilo bike hub
Strengths: none at all
Weaknesses: every thing
Similar Products Tried: alot of others
Bike Setup: upgraded to avid disk brakes.
Bottom Line: I went 60 miles an hour and press the brakes and they broke and shattered into pieces.after I jumped off my roof it snaped in two peace of $#!+.
OMG! That means my bike is stronger than yours! Not really. <_<
Well, mine still looks much better than yours. yours looks liek a departments store bike.
QuoteQuoteDuration Product Used: 2 Years
Price Paid: $530
Purchased At: hilo bike hub
Strengths: none at all
Weaknesses: every thing
Similar Products Tried: alot of others
Bike Setup: upgraded to avid disk brakes.
Bottom Line: I went 60 miles an hour and press the brakes and they broke and shattered into pieces.after I jumped off my roof it snaped in two peace of $#!+.
OMG! That means my bike is stronger than yours! Not really. <_<
Well, mine still looks much better than yours. yours looks liek a departments store bike.
Ok...show me a department store bike that looks like it. ;) And saying that yours looks better than mine is a fact of opinion, you know.
The linkages, welds, and geometry placements on my bike are about 100 times more copmlicated than any department store bike.
You know...you used to really like my bike. But ever since you got that Specialized you've become a real snob about bikes...the whole my p3n!$ is bigger than your p3n!$ thing has augmented over to your bike talk...
And either way, whether your bike is better than mine or not, it isn't relevant. What is relevant is that I will smoke you in any riding style you choose. So I vote that you stop before you get too ahead of yourself.
QuoteYou know...you used to really like my bike. But ever since you got that Specialized you've become a real snob about bikes...the whole my p3n!$ is bigger than your p3n!$ thing has augmented over to your bike talk...
And either way, whether your bike is better than mine or not, it isn't relevant. What is relevant is that I will smoke you in any riding style you choose. So I vote that you stop before you get too ahead of yourself.
I was hoping a long time ago that you would've seen that i'm joking, but it seems that i've hit a sensitive spot with you. <_<
When somebody continues to insult me for more than a few posts in an unecessary, immature, and irrelevant fashion, I am of course going to go off on the person. Whaddya expect? It's human nature.
And of course I meant no offense whatsoever, I'm not one to hold a grudge.
QuoteWhen somebody continues to insult me for more than a few posts in an unecessary, immature, and irrelevant fashion, I am of course going to go off on the person. Whaddya expect? It's human nature.
And of course I meant no offense whatsoever, I'm not one to hold a grudge.
DAmn, you sound like Bob in that post.
I only did that because i thought that you were playing along too. oh well. :shrugs:
And dude, why would i actually be serious? I know that you'd smoke me in anything related to bicycling. I thought you'd know that, and that i was joking ,but i think you have a hard time grasping a joke.
QuoteQuoteWhen somebody continues to insult me for more than a few posts in an unecessary, immature, and irrelevant fashion, I am of course going to go off on the person. Whaddya expect? It's human nature.
And of course I meant no offense whatsoever, I'm not one to hold a grudge.
DAmn, you sound like Bob in that post.
I only did that because i thought that you were playing along too. oh well. :shrugs:
And dude, why would i actually be serious? I know that you'd smoke me in anything related to bicycling. I thought you'd know that, and that i was joking ,but i think you have a hard time grasping a joke.
Like I said...when the joke continues for quite some time without anybody telling me that their kidding, I'm going to lay down the line.
And, Bob as in Dave or Bob as in bobwill? :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhen somebody continues to insult me for more than a few posts in an unecessary, immature, and irrelevant fashion, I am of course going to go off on the person. Whaddya expect? It's human nature.
And of course I meant no offense whatsoever, I'm not one to hold a grudge.
DAmn, you sound like Bob in that post.
I only did that because i thought that you were playing along too. oh well. :shrugs:
And dude, why would i actually be serious? I know that you'd smoke me in anything related to bicycling. I thought you'd know that, and that i was joking ,but i think you have a hard time grasping a joke.
Like I said...when the joke continues for quite some time without anybody telling me that their kidding, I'm going to lay down the line.
And, Bob as in Dave or Bob as in bobwill? :lol:
But usually, people just know that others are joking, and play along for a while. You just seem to take everything personally.
And even if i was serious, so what? You could call my bicycle a garbage dumpster, and iwouldn't care. I don't feel that way about it. Your opinion is different from mine.
It was hard to tell if you were joking, your wording appeared to be serious and you didn't use any smilies to indicate a sense of sarcasm.
QuoteIt was hard to tell if you were joking, your wording appeared to be serious and you didn't use any smilies to indicate a sense of sarcasm.
I'd take my HR in a heartbeat over your DS1. it's an utter POS. :lol: <---- That my friend, is a smilie.
QuoteQuoteIt was hard to tell if you were joking, your wording appeared to be serious and you didn't use any smilies to indicate a sense of sarcasm.
I'd take my HR in a heartbeat over your DS1. it's an utter POS. :lol: <---- That my friend, is a smilie.
Yes. ^_^ And that's the sarcasmic note I wasn't hearing previously in this conversation...obviously... ;)
(http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/03/86/75/45/0003867545728_215X215.jpg)
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt was hard to tell if you were joking, your wording appeared to be serious and you didn't use any smilies to indicate a sense of sarcasm.
I'd take my HR in a heartbeat over your DS1. it's an utter POS. :lol: <---- That my friend, is a smilie.
Yes. ^_^ And that's the sarcasmic note I wasn't hearing previously in this conversation...obviously... ;)
You just didn't read carefully enough. AFter the word POS, your vision probably filled with rage, and you obviously missed the smilie. :rolleyes:
Quote(http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/03/86/75/45/0003867545728_215X215.jpg)
(http://www.cycleman.com/specgiantwarpds2.jpg)
Big difference. At least in the eyes of a seasoned rider. ;)
QuoteQuote(http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/03/86/75/45/0003867545728_215X215.jpg)
(http://www.cycleman.com/specgiantwarpds2.jpg)
Big difference. At least in the eyes of a seasoned rider. ;)
The floating seat looks very department store-ish to me.
QuoteYou know...you used to really like my bike. But ever since you got that Specialized you've become a real snob about bikes...the whole my p3n!$ is bigger than your p3n!$ thing has augmented over to your bike talk...
And either way, whether your bike is better than mine or not, it isn't relevant. What is relevant is that I will smoke you in any riding style you choose. So I vote that you stop before you get too ahead of yourself.
I really used to like your bike before i saw how the really nice full suspensions were done. I just fell in love with those designs, and yours just reminds me of my MGX.
(http://www.doitdownhill.com/pictures/bike2/bighitdh--specialized_lg.jpg)
A lot of bikes don't have a seatstay. ;)
QuoteQuoteYou know...you used to really like my bike. But ever since you got that Specialized you've become a real snob about bikes...the whole my p3n!$ is bigger than your p3n!$ thing has augmented over to your bike talk...
And either way, whether your bike is better than mine or not, it isn't relevant. What is relevant is that I will smoke you in any riding style you choose. So I vote that you stop before you get too ahead of yourself.
I really used to like your bike before i saw how the really nice full suspensions were done. I just fell in love with those designs, and yours just reminds me of my MGX.
Then you need to see it in person. It's far more complicated than your average single pivot (relatively) department store design. ;)
Quote(http://www.doitdownhill.com/pictures/bike2/bighitdh--specialized_lg.jpg)
A lot of bikes don't have a seatstay. ;)
now that doesn't look as nice as the other kind with the seatstay, but i do love that front fork! :o :o
You're joking, right? Very few DH/FR bikes have seatstays...get used to it. It's not a department-store-only thing. ;)
(http://www.cyclepaths.com/bikes/sc/images/v10mono_large.jpg)
^^^^ Santa Cruz V10
(http://www.doitdownhill.com/pictures/bike2/9point5--mountaincycle_lg.jpg)
^^^^ Mountain Cycle 9point5
(http://www.sunbikeshop.com/Intense/Graphics/M13.jpg)
^^^^ Intense M
Just to name a few. ;)
I know, but the ones with seatstays look really nice.
I guess. Just depends on what you like in a bike...but the more complicated suspension systems usually don't have a seatstay...makes for easier suspension build and geometry more fit for what the bike is intended. :)
QuoteI guess. Just depends on what you like in a bike...but the more complicated suspension systems usually don't have a seatstay...makes for easier suspension build and geometry more fit for what the bike is intended. :)
:shrugs: I think i posted a specialized with the seatstay and everything. It had a massive rear suspension!
QuoteQuoteI guess. Just depends on what you like in a bike...but the more complicated suspension systems usually don't have a seatstay...makes for easier suspension build and geometry more fit for what the bike is intended. :)
:shrugs: I think i posted a specialized with the seatstay and everything. It had a massive rear suspension!
Let me see it...
Actually, i don't think i'd go back to double suspension after riding hardtails.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI guess. Just depends on what you like in a bike...but the more complicated suspension systems usually don't have a seatstay...makes for easier suspension build and geometry more fit for what the bike is intended. :)
:shrugs: I think i posted a specialized with the seatstay and everything. It had a massive rear suspension!
Let me see it...
I forgot where i posted it. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI guess. Just depends on what you like in a bike...but the more complicated suspension systems usually don't have a seatstay...makes for easier suspension build and geometry more fit for what the bike is intended. :)
:shrugs: I think i posted a specialized with the seatstay and everything. It had a massive rear suspension!
Let me see it...
I forgot where i posted it. :lol:
(http://www.thebikeexpress.com/2005-Specialized-Stumpjumper-FSR-Expert-120.jpg)
Was it that?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI guess. Just depends on what you like in a bike...but the more complicated suspension systems usually don't have a seatstay...makes for easier suspension build and geometry more fit for what the bike is intended. :)
:shrugs: I think i posted a specialized with the seatstay and everything. It had a massive rear suspension!
Let me see it...
I forgot where i posted it. :lol:
(http://www.thebikeexpress.com/2005-Specialized-Stumpjumper-FSR-Expert-120.jpg)
Was it that?
no. it looks like a hardtail, except that there's a big ass suspension eating up all of the triangular space.
(http://www.81496.com/mtb/image2005/05kona/stinky.jpg)
I believe that's the one you're talkin about, eh? Kona Stinky. That suspension design is called the Horst Link. :)
It's something like this:
(http://www.fisherbikes.com/images/bikes2005/bikes_medium/kingfisher2.jpg)
Quote(http://www.81496.com/mtb/image2005/05kona/stinky.jpg)
I believe that's the one you're talkin about, eh? Kona Stinky. That suspension design is called the Horst Link. :)
i didn't post a bike called a Stinky. :lol:
and the one i posted was black.
Hmm...
QuoteHmm...
it's like the GF i posted, but it's a specialized, i think.
QuoteQuoteHmm...
it's like the GF i posted, but it's a specialized, i think.
I dunno what to tell ya...just go to Special's website and find it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteHmm...
it's like the GF i posted, but it's a specialized, i think.
I dunno what to tell ya...just go to Special's website and find it.
i looked for it. All of the full suspension bikes look like wienies compared to that thing i posted. i forgot if it was specialized though. Maybe giant or diamondback.
(http://www.giantbicycles.com/images/_upload_us/bikes/models/zooms/2004/f04-faith1-zoom.jpg)
That's the Giant...can't be that because it don't have a seat stay...
Quote(http://www.giantbicycles.com/images/_upload_us/bikes/models/zooms/2004/f04-faith1-zoom.jpg)
That's the Giant...can't be that because it don't have a seat stay...
ok. it's not that one. it's black.
Well I can't think of any more off the top of my head...you keep lookin'.
GOT IT!
(http://www2.trekbikes.com/Assets/Bikes/Mountain/Full_Suspension/Liquid/Liquid_65/asset_upload_file86_2792.jpg)
Ahhh yes Trek Liquid. That's what it was. Very similar to the Stinky I had posted...same general rear suspension design. :)
QuoteAhhh yes Trek Liquid. That's what it was. Very similar to the Stinky I had posted...same general rear suspension design. :)
That's scary. Huge travel.
actually, i'm so glad i got the HR over the TR30.
Actually, excuse me, that's a Trek Session, not Liquid. Liquids are less freeride oriented.
That bike has 7 inches of travel...a FR/DH standard. There's bikes with 9 or more inches of travel. B)
QuoteActually, excuse me, that's a Trek Session, not Liquid. Liquids are less freeride oriented.
That bike has 7 inches of travel...a FR/DH standard. There's bikes with 9 or more inches of travel. B)
mine has 0 in of travel. :lol:
QuoteQuoteActually, excuse me, that's a Trek Session, not Liquid. Liquids are less freeride oriented.
That bike has 7 inches of travel...a FR/DH standard. There's bikes with 9 or more inches of travel. B)
mine has 0 in of travel. :lol:
lol
QuoteQuoteQuoteActually, excuse me, that's a Trek Session, not Liquid. Liquids are less freeride oriented.
That bike has 7 inches of travel...a FR/DH standard. There's bikes with 9 or more inches of travel. B)
mine has 0 in of travel. :lol:
lol
that's the way i like it.
Do you know if bike seats will tilt forward or backward?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteActually, excuse me, that's a Trek Session, not Liquid. Liquids are less freeride oriented.
That bike has 7 inches of travel...a FR/DH standard. There's bikes with 9 or more inches of travel. B)
mine has 0 in of travel. :lol:
lol
that's the way i like it.
Do you know if bike seats will tilt forward or backward?
Yep...most of them have that ability...should be as easy as loosening a nut or two and just rotating it. Though I have no idea if yours can do that. Just check her out.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteActually, excuse me, that's a Trek Session, not Liquid. Liquids are less freeride oriented.
That bike has 7 inches of travel...a FR/DH standard. There's bikes with 9 or more inches of travel. B)
mine has 0 in of travel. :lol:
lol
that's the way i like it.
Do you know if bike seats will tilt forward or backward?
Yep...most of them have that ability...should be as easy as loosening a nut or two and just rotating it. Though I have no idea if yours can do that. Just check her out.
ok, thanks.
Would it help me do wheelies if i tilted the seat back a bit?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteActually, excuse me, that's a Trek Session, not Liquid. Liquids are less freeride oriented.
That bike has 7 inches of travel...a FR/DH standard. There's bikes with 9 or more inches of travel. B)
mine has 0 in of travel. :lol:
lol
that's the way i like it.
Do you know if bike seats will tilt forward or backward?
Yep...most of them have that ability...should be as easy as loosening a nut or two and just rotating it. Though I have no idea if yours can do that. Just check her out.
ok, thanks.
Would it help me do wheelies if i tilted the seat back a bit?
I doubt it would make much of a difference. But it's worth a try...just fiddle with it and see what feels/works best.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteActually, excuse me, that's a Trek Session, not Liquid. Liquids are less freeride oriented.
That bike has 7 inches of travel...a FR/DH standard. There's bikes with 9 or more inches of travel. B)
mine has 0 in of travel. :lol:
lol
that's the way i like it.
Do you know if bike seats will tilt forward or backward?
Yep...most of them have that ability...should be as easy as loosening a nut or two and just rotating it. Though I have no idea if yours can do that. Just check her out.
ok, thanks.
Would it help me do wheelies if i tilted the seat back a bit?
I doubt it would make much of a difference. But it's worth a try...just fiddle with it and see what feels/works best.
well, it'd make it easier for me to slide my weight back...
Yep...
We might consider continuing this conversation in the Chat...we've pretty much killed this thread, lets not dismember it any further. :lol:
QuoteWe might consider continuing this conversation in the Chat...we've pretty much killed this thread, lets not dismember it any further. :lol:
:lol: :lol:
QuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
That would be wondful if the Town Car got mid 8s...I've never seen a time under 10 seconds.
QuoteQuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
That would be wondful if the Town Car got mid 8s...I've never seen a time under 10 seconds.
Oh...I recall him saying something like mid-8's. :)
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
That would be wondful if the Town Car got mid 8s...I've never seen a time under 10 seconds.
Oh...I recall him saying something like mid-8's. :)
ifcar? He said it, later on I corrected him, and then ran to Google to find something definitive. Fastest I saw was 10.5 seconds. :blink:
There's no yawn smiley?
QuoteQuoteYou're saying you expect a luxury cruiser to be fast? Mid-8's is nothing to sneeze at...it's plenty quick, you know.
That would be wondful if the Town Car got mid 8s...I've never seen a time under 10 seconds.
Mids 8s is what I've seen from everyone but the slowest-time consumer mags, and they've gotten mid 9s.