In my seemingly never ending search for a WRX hatchback, I've noticed several 2005-07 CPO BMW X3 models on the lots with 6 speed manuals in the mid $20k range. Obviously an SUV has a bit more ground clearance and a bit more storage room inside then an imprezza which would make it a bit more "practical" - but how do they drive? Is it worth a test drive?
Anything like a 3er sedan???? :wub:
I drove the shit out of one at BMW's driving school. Kind of big, not that comfy, and it feels kind of tippy, especially when you're sliding the tail around.
Overall decent, I guess. Take a shot. The one I drove was a 2.5 auto.
Quote from: r0tor on January 22, 2010, 08:30:05 AM
In my seemingly never ending search for a WRX hatchback, I've noticed several 2005-07 CPO BMW X3 models on the lots with 6 speed manuals in the mid $20k range. Obviously an SUV has a bit more ground clearance and a bit more storage room inside then an imprezza which would make it a bit more "practical" - but how do they drive? Is it worth a test drive?
Anything like a 3er sedan???? :wub:
Pretty much anything is worth a test drive.
German reviews will usually praise the handling qualities of the X3 claiming it is the sportiest and best-handling car in its class. It's not a 3-Series by a long shot though.
Where the X3 always gets lambasted is comfort. The suspension is set up to provide a sporty driving experience, not a comfortable one. The seats are supposedly not very comfy either. I've never driven one not to mention for longer periods so I can't make any comments regarding that.
Is the new BMW X1 in the US yet? That thing is actually hot. :wub:
The biggest complaint I keep reading about the X3 is the very harsh ride. I say test drive it, but you won't get the driving pleasure you will out of a WRX.
It's built by Magna Steyr, not by BMW.
It's not been rated well, has it.
well all the negative reviews pre 07 seem to say "oh noes... its too stiff!!"... thats really not a problem for a person who has a sports car for a daily driver
I drove a stick X3 once, years ago. Girl who owned it loved the thing, and I gotta say it was really cool for an SUV. I could definitely see it being a daily driver. Pretty zippy-feeling (no idea what the raw numbers are, but it is probably one of those deals where it feels quicker than it is, probably from rowing your own.) Take a drive!
Oh crap, Teuton is going to blast this car.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/41381/bmw_x3.html
(http://photos.evo.co.uk/images/rating_3.gif)
I'd post the highlights, but it doesn't seem worth it. The only way to figure out if it's too harsh for you is to drive it.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 22, 2010, 02:34:05 PM
Oh crap, Teuton is going to blast this car.
Haven't we learned to ignore him when it comes to anything pertaining BMW?
Quote from: r0tor on January 22, 2010, 01:54:02 PM
well all the negative reviews pre 07 seem to say "oh noes... its too stiff!!"... thats really not a problem for a person who has a sports car for a daily driver
From what I've read, it's stiffer then most sports cars to the point that it's uncomfortable.
One of my friends here at school has one. I've ridden in it quite a bit, and I don't think it's too stiff. Certainly not to the point that it's uncomfortable.
The suspension was revised when the "si" models came out with the new engine. It is better now. I have test driven it quite a bit and like it. It handles very well for what it is.
If you are keeping the Rx-8, the X3 would be a better "complement" than the subie. For one car only I'd take the subie.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 22, 2010, 02:42:09 PM
Haven't we learned to ignore him when it comes to anything pertaining BMW?
Drive one.
The interior is somewhat cheaply made, the footwell is oddly shaped, it doesn't have quite as good of handling as any other BMW, imo, and it rarely averages anything better than 17 mpg on premium without returning any kind of pleasure of that you'd think would come with a BMW -- except for the badge.
I've only ever driven one X3 that I liked -- a Leguna Seca Blue 6-speed 3.0si that would cost more than $50,000 to "build." It was absolutely loaded with the options and ///M this and that.
i would worry more about the cost of parts and labor. my cousing has a loaded 3-series sedan. he bought it new, but it (the msp) was really over his price range. aside from the VERY HEFTY discout on the one he purchased... he would have opted for another base level volvo. due to the rather odd color that someone ordered and later opted not to buy, the dealer allegedly "took a loss" on this bimmer that no one else seemed interested in. no. it was not a bmw x3 that my cousin in pa bought, but his sedan is costing him far more than something that fits into his budget. he had more luck with his trouble free volvo wagon. apples to oranges perhaps, but he opted the the fickle orange this time. otherwise, the car is a joy to drive, even in green.
Quote from: the Teuton on January 22, 2010, 04:51:11 PM
Drive one.
Admittedly, I have not.
I have, however, ridden in MANY and they aren't badly built.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 22, 2010, 07:16:09 PM
Admittedly, I have not.
I have, however, ridden in MANY and they aren't badly built.
The materials in a Santa Fe feel more upscale.
I know I have a natural inclination to hate the X3, but I really do find it to be way overrated, especially since cheaper competition has gotten better since 2005, and it's largely stayed the same.
That, and it never really was great to begin with other than the BMW-ness of it all. An E91 3er Touring is so much better.
What about a Tiguan?
Quote from: the Teuton on January 22, 2010, 07:17:25 PM
The materials in a Santa Fe feel more upscale.
Yeah, no.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 22, 2010, 08:14:37 PM
Yeah, no.
You can feel the cut lines in the flimsy cupholder. Fact.
Oh geeze, I really do sound picky! :lol:
Quote from: the Teuton on January 22, 2010, 09:35:39 PM
You can feel the cut lines in the flimsy cupholder. Fact.
Oh geeze, I really do sound picky! :lol:
Yeah, sorry. Your argument went from opinionated to trollish.
Quote from: Submariner on January 22, 2010, 10:18:08 PM
Yeah, sorry. Your argument went from opinionated to trollish.
I can go back to normal opinion!
How about an FX35 AWD? Those buggers any good?
Quote from: r0tor on February 08, 2010, 10:05:30 AM
How about an FX35 AWD? Those buggers any good?
I remember C&D having pretty high praise for them. And the old ones still look good IMO.
If you get an X3, I will cackle at you. FX35 has ATTESA-ETS :wub:.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 08, 2010, 11:01:51 AM
If you get an X3, I will cackle at you. FX35 has ATTESA-ETS :wub:.
Best ATTESA car ever
(http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu327/240kconvertible/Nissan_U13_Bluebird_SSS_ATTESA.jpg)
Quote from: 2o6 on February 08, 2010, 02:03:13 PM
Best ATTESA car ever
(http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu327/240kconvertible/Nissan_U13_Bluebird_SSS_ATTESA.jpg)
:wub:
I don't understand how Nissan could adapt the same basic AWD system in a longitudinally mounted I6 RWD-based sports car as it could with a transversely mounted SR20-powered FWD family sedan, but nevertheless...
Why did Nissan have to suck in the US?
They didn't offer the same AWD system in transverse-engined and longitudinally-engined cars.
It's like Quattro: the system on the A3, TT, etc. is not the same as the A6, A8, etc.
I wish an Audi Q5 was in my proce range or at least an old enough model to get used in my price range.... the Tiguan is nice, but not Q5 nice
-sigh... a sportscar person trying to get an SUV he likes is so damn infuriating.... lol-
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2010, 09:55:54 AM
I wish an Audi Q5 was in my proce range or at least an old enough model to get used in my price range.... the Tiguan is nice, but not Q5 nice
-sigh... a sportscar person trying to get an SUV he likes is so damn infuriating.... lol-
Save money, be happier:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=272877852&dealer_id=55633078&car_year=2005&rdm=1265735048948&lastStartYear=1981&model=FOREST&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=__eHQ,__&keywordsrep=120116&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&only_price=1&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=200&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=577389&showZipError=y&make=SUB&filter_change=no_results_inc_srch_area_up&keywords_display=xt&color=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18015&advanced=y&end_year=2011&doors=&transmission=Manual&max_price=&cardist=100&standard=false
These prices suck, but rest assured that it has three pedals, 8 inches of clearance, AWD, and a turbocharged engine.
BTW, we're already in the heart of winter. If you've been able to tough it out this long, does it really matter if you have an SUV now?
winter is only half of it... the other is I have too much shit to haul to the new house and need to keep begging my father for his 4runner
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2010, 10:30:46 AM
winter is only half of it... the other is I have too much shit to haul to the new house and need to keep begging my father for his 4runner
Here's a good question: What would be wrong with a 4Runner? It's infinitely more useful than most of the vehicles you're looking at, and it has a better track record, too.
my new house is in da middle of da twisties and i require something capable of handling da twisties... i can tell you the 4Runner does not
Used Cayenne?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on February 09, 2010, 12:14:42 PM
Used Cayenne?
I've heard they're reliability nightmares, but if he can get a Porsche extended warranty, he shouldn't hesitate to get one of these:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=271647632&dealer_id=100006450&car_year=2004&rdm=1265743577368&lastStartYear=1981&model=CAYENNE&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=75&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=100027416&showZipError=y&make=POR&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18015&advanced=&end_year=2011&doors=&transmission=&max_price=30000&cardist=60&standard=false
It's faster around most race tracks than an E46 BMW M3.
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2010, 10:30:46 AM
winter is only half of it... the other is I have too much shit to haul to the new house and need to keep begging my father for his 4runner
Some of these sporty SUV's don't really offer that much room.....
How about rent an Uhaul for move that stuff once and for all.. and then.. you're done?
Quote from: NomisR on February 09, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
How about rent an Uhaul for move that stuff once and for all.. and then.. you're done?
Cause he wants to buy an SUV but doesn't want to admit it. ;)
How about a used X5 with a manual?
Manual Allroad! You can get it up to 8.something inches of ground clearance!
There's not many SUVs that are good in the twisties, spacious and better offroad than a 4Runner.
Maybe an Overfinch Range Rover but that's big bucks.
Mazda CX-9?
Quote from: SVT666 on February 09, 2010, 02:14:01 PM
Cause he wants to buy an SUV but doesn't want to admit it. ;)
bah... i scoff at that
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2010, 04:54:32 PM
bah... i scoff at that
Admit it, a Cayenne Turbo with mudders would pretty much kick ass.
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2010, 04:54:32 PM
bah... i scoff at that
OK... the sn0w has me no longer scoffing :mask:
Quote from: the Teuton on February 09, 2010, 10:07:20 AM
Save money, be happier:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=272877852&dealer_id=55633078&car_year=2005&rdm=1265735048948&lastStartYear=1981&model=FOREST&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=__eHQ,__&keywordsrep=120116&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&only_price=1&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=200&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=577389&showZipError=y&make=SUB&filter_change=no_results_inc_srch_area_up&keywords_display=xt&color=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18015&advanced=y&end_year=2011&doors=&transmission=Manual&max_price=&cardist=100&standard=false
These prices suck, but rest assured that it has three pedals, 8 inches of clearance, AWD, and a turbocharged engine.
I've driven a Forrester and remember it being somewhat enjoyable to drive.
I'm actually starting to lean towards a Tiguan after seeing the interior... very nice for the money
You really want an SUV. Admit it.
not "want" damn it!!! :mask:
Rodeo!
swift!
After driving the X1, I'd take it over the X3 or most anything else mentioned here.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 12, 2010, 06:12:04 PM
After driving the X1, I'd take it over the X3 or most anything else mentioned here.
After driving a bunch of X3s, if it's not a 6-speed with the ///M Sport package, it's a useless piece of shit of an SUV. Don't get me going any further.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 12, 2010, 06:36:29 PM
After driving a bunch of X3s, if it's not a 6-speed with the ///M Sport package, it's a useless piece of shit of an SUV. Don't get me going any further.
Alright, I'll bite. What would you change?
Why does a manual transmission and a sport package on an SUV make it that much better? Why does that package even make sense in an SUV?
Quote from: MrH on February 14, 2010, 11:11:10 PM
Alright, I'll bite. What would you change?
Why does a manual transmission and a sport package on an SUV make it that much better? Why does that package even make sense in an SUV?
I expected you to just let that go, shouldn't you know by now that it's basically bait?
Quote from: MrH on February 14, 2010, 11:11:10 PM
Alright, I'll bite. What would you change?
Why does a manual transmission and a sport package on an SUV make it that much better? Why does that package even make sense in an SUV?
First, the footwell is too small, the center console is made of cheap plastics, the steering is decent for an SUV but I'd rather have an E91 or an E46 wagon instead, the ride is firm without being either comfortable or sporty (at least the sports package fixes one of those problems), the thing gets 17 mpg on average without so much as putting the pedal down, the interior is sparse unless you load it up, and the materials aren't up to par with other BMWs, it's expensive without any added benefit, it's ugly, dated, not particularly good at anything, not particularly quiet compared to other 3ers, the transmission is a little jerky in the auto models for a $40k vehicle (hence why not just get the 6-speed -- and the sport suspension just makes it better), and it's just overall a waster of a vehicle based on last generation parts with a last generation AWD system wrapped in a slightly newer wrapper built without the normal quality of a BMW.
Unless it has the wood inlays to hide the shitty dash, the sports suspension, the aluminum ///M door jambs, the deep Leguna Seca blue paint that doesn't look like it came from an Accent, and some semblance of sport to it, I don't see it being better than a V6 RAV4 for $15k more.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 14, 2010, 11:25:14 PM
First, the footwell is too small, the center console is made of cheap plastics, the steering is decent for an SUV but I'd rather have an E91 or an E46 wagon instead, the ride is firm without being either comfortable or sporty (at least the sports package fixes one of those problems), the thing gets 17 mpg on average without so much as putting the pedal down, the interior is sparse unless you load it up, and the materials aren't up to par with other BMWs, it's expensive without any added benefit, it's ugly, dated, not particularly good at anything, not particularly quiet compared to other 3ers, the transmission is a little jerky in the auto models for a $40k vehicle (hence why not just get the 6-speed -- and the sport suspension just makes it better), and it's just overall a waster of a vehicle based on last generation parts with a last generation AWD system wrapped in a slightly newer wrapper built without the normal quality of a BMW.
Unless it has the wood inlays to hide the shitty dash, the sports suspension, the aluminum ///M door jambs, the deep Leguna Seca blue paint that doesn't look like it came from an Accent, and some semblance of sport to it, I don't see it being better than a V6 RAV4 for $15k more.
If I can find it, there's a
Wheels review that says exactly that.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 14, 2010, 11:25:14 PM
First, the footwell is too small, the center console is made of cheap plastics, the steering is decent for an SUV but I'd rather have an E91 or an E46 wagon instead, the ride is firm without being either comfortable or sporty (at least the sports package fixes one of those problems), the thing gets 17 mpg on average without so much as putting the pedal down, the interior is sparse unless you load it up, and the materials aren't up to par with other BMWs, it's expensive without any added benefit, it's ugly, dated, not particularly good at anything, not particularly quiet compared to other 3ers, the transmission is a little jerky in the auto models for a $40k vehicle (hence why not just get the 6-speed -- and the sport suspension just makes it better), and it's just overall a waster of a vehicle based on last generation parts with a last generation AWD system wrapped in a slightly newer wrapper built without the normal quality of a BMW.
Unless it has the wood inlays to hide the shitty dash, the sports suspension, the aluminum ///M door jambs, the deep Leguna Seca blue paint that doesn't look like it came from an Accent, and some semblance of sport to it, I don't see it being better than a V6 RAV4 for $15k more.
No stickshift RAV4.
Quote from: ifcar on February 15, 2010, 08:07:00 AM
No stickshift RAV4.
There'd be about three buyers who choose a manual X3 this year.
Quote from: omicron on February 15, 2010, 08:08:26 AM
There'd be about three buyers who choose a manual X3 this year.
This thread was started by someone who is considering an X3 with a stick.
Quote from: ifcar on February 15, 2010, 08:10:20 AM
This thread was started by someone who is considering an X3 with a stick.
Ah. It's wine time, you see. Sensible thoughts like reading the initial post aren't leaping into my brain at the moment.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 14, 2010, 11:15:44 PM
I expected you to just let that go, shouldn't you know by now that it's basically bait?
:lol: I wanted to see just how stupid of a response I'd get. He didn't disappoint!
Quote from: MrH on February 15, 2010, 11:28:59 AM
:lol: I wanted to see just how stupid of a response I'd get. He didn't disappoint!
Have you even driven an X3?
I had seat time in both a X3 and a 335 coupe this weekend. Back-to-back nonetheless. I still don't understand your hate hate hate hate hate.
Quote from: Tave on February 15, 2010, 06:44:24 PM
I had seat time in both a X3 and a 335 coupe this weekend. Back-to-back nonetheless. I still don't understand your hate hate hate hate hate.
Do you think that X3 was worth $45k?
Quote from: the Teuton on February 15, 2010, 06:41:18 PM
Have you even driven an X3?
155 mph on the Autobahn.
Next! :lol:
Quote from: MrH on February 15, 2010, 07:04:50 PM
155 mph on the Autobahn.
Next! :lol:
It's still a piece of shit for the money.
I once got my Subaru up to almost 100 mph. It doesn't really prove anything.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 15, 2010, 07:09:42 PM
It's still a piece of shit for the money.
I once got my Subaru up to almost 100 mph. It doesn't really prove anything.
Probably shouldn't call me out on it then...
I just like how your bitching consists of: it's not a compact wagon, it's not as quiet as a compact car, it's too sporty, no wait, not sporty enough, better get the sport package and a 6-speed. :lol:
Quote from: MrH on February 15, 2010, 07:12:22 PM
Probably shouldn't call me out on it then...
I just like how your bitching consists of: it's not a compact wagon, it's not as quiet as a compact car, it's too sporty, no wait, not sporty enough, better get the sport package and a 6-speed. :lol:
It does nothing well, and it's generally a sparse bit of kit with a big price. It's a badgemobile in every sense of the word.
Oh yeah, the X3 tops out at 140 mph without a limiter.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 15, 2010, 07:16:02 PM
Oh yeah, the X3 tops out at 140 mph without a limiter.
In the US.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 15, 2010, 07:16:02 PM
It does nothing well, and it's generally a sparse bit of kit with a big price. It's a badgemobile in every sense of the word.
Oh yeah, the X3 tops out at 140 mph without a limiter.
You originally said it was a big piece of shit. That's completely different than just not being class leading.
Oh, and you're looking at gasoline X3's. I drove a diesel.
Quote from: MrH on February 15, 2010, 07:20:03 PM
You originally said it was a big piece of shit. That's completely different than just not being class leading.
Oh, and you're looking at gasoline X3's. I drove a diesel.
I still think it is a piece of shit. On the record, I would happily take a Hyundai Santa Fe over one. I think the X3 is a useless vehicle -- and not just "not class-leading." It's obsolete in the marketplace.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 15, 2010, 07:22:46 PM
I still think it is a piece of shit. On the record, I would happily take a Hyundai Santa Fe over one. I think the X3 is a useless vehicle -- and not just "not class-leading." It's obsolete in the marketplace.
Ummmm....
I think it can be safely said that each one is good at a very different thing.
Quote from: ifcar on February 15, 2010, 09:15:48 PM
Ummmm....
I think it can be safely said that each one is good at a very different thing.
Should I have said Q5? :lol:
The X3 isn't worth the dough they want for it.
I think if VW sold the Tiguan with a torsen center diff I'd own one right now... ugh, in haldex i do not trust
Quote from: the Teuton on February 15, 2010, 07:22:46 PM
I still think it is a piece of shit. On the record, I would happily take a Hyundai Santa Fe over one. I think the X3 is a useless vehicle -- and not just "not class-leading." It's obsolete in the marketplace.
:confused:
We're talking about the X3, right, not the X6?
Quote from: Raza on February 16, 2010, 09:02:16 AM
:confused:
We're talking about the X3, right, not the X6?
The X6 is fun to drive. It's ugly and useless, but it is fun. The X3, however, doesn't have that much going for it in base form.
I haven't driven one like Teuton has, but just sitting in it is enough to turn me off the price tag.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 09:13:25 AM
The X6 is fun to drive. It's ugly and useless, but it is fun. The X3, however, doesn't have that much going for it in base form.
You mean other than being significantly cheaper than an X5 and roughly the same size inside?
And excuse me while I try to catch my breath here---are you saying a modern BMW has a cheap interior? Oh no!
Quote from: Raza link=topic=21101.msg1270906#msg1270906 date=1266340928
You mean other than being significantly cheaper than an X5 and roughly the same size inside?
I believe that was only for the first generation X5. They made the current model a lot bigger. Still, the first gen feels very upscale compared to the X3.
QuoteAnd excuse me while I try to catch my breath here---are you saying a modern BMW has a cheap interior? Oh no!
When did they all get so bad? I mean anything with a base price over $45k really isn't that bad, even with the "stripped" interiors, but the 1, 3, and X3 really aren't that good unless you load them up a little. And even then, the X3 is still mediocre in its class.
The interior is to cheap for the price (same with the X1) and the pre facelift models came with inexusable huge pieces of unpainted plastic.
Volvo XC 60?
Quote from: Galaxy on February 16, 2010, 01:33:22 PM
The interior is to cheap for the price (same with the X1) and the pre facelift models came with inexusable huge pieces of unpainted plastic.
Volvo XC 60?
If he were buying new, an XC60, Q5, or something like that would be good. Since he isn't, I'm going to suggest a Lexus GX470.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=271716191&dealer_id=69606&car_year=2004&rdm=1266352617499&lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&model=GX_MODELSCLASS_SERIES&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=y&first_record=26&make=LEXUS&color=&keywords_display=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18015&advanced=&end_year=2011&pager.offset=25&transmission=&doors=&max_price=&cardist=36&standard=false
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 01:38:01 PM
If he were buying new, an XC60, Q5, or something like that would be good. Since he isn't, I'm going to suggest a Lexus GX470.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=271716191&dealer_id=69606&car_year=2004&rdm=1266352617499&lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&model=GX_MODELSCLASS_SERIES&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=y&first_record=26&make=LEXUS&color=&keywords_display=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18015&advanced=&end_year=2011&pager.offset=25&transmission=&doors=&max_price=&cardist=36&standard=false
Infiniti EX?
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 01:38:01 PM
If he were buying new, an XC60, Q5, or something like that would be good. Since he isn't, I'm going to suggest a Lexus GX470.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=271716191&dealer_id=69606&car_year=2004&rdm=1266352617499&lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&model=GX_MODELSCLASS_SERIES&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=y&first_record=26&make=LEXUS&color=&keywords_display=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18015&advanced=&end_year=2011&pager.offset=25&transmission=&doors=&max_price=&cardist=36&standard=false
oh hell no
Quote from: r0tor on February 16, 2010, 01:45:21 PM
oh hell no
You want a lux cute ute then? Honestly, the X3 blows.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 01:38:01 PM
If he were buying new, an XC60, Q5, or something like that would be good. Since he isn't, I'm going to suggest a Lexus GX470.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=271716191&dealer_id=69606&car_year=2004&rdm=1266352617499&lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&model=GX_MODELSCLASS_SERIES&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=50&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=y&first_record=26&make=LEXUS&color=&keywords_display=&page_location=findacar::ispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18015&advanced=&end_year=2011&pager.offset=25&transmission=&doors=&max_price=&cardist=36&standard=false
Toyota rebadge alert!
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on February 16, 2010, 02:04:24 PM
Toyota rebadge alert!
Awesomely capable and plush SUV...looks ugly, but it is just as useful as it is ugly.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 01:38:01 PM
If he were buying new, an XC60, Q5
i'd love an audi Q5 if the bastards werent $40k
I think i reconvinced myself that on paper the X3 wins with the cargo/size, handling, power/mileage, and AWD system (never knew in the XDrive system if you turn off the DSC button in locks the center diff to 60/40 split)... in CPO form not too bad of price either
the X1 looks so much nicer but still a year away at least
Quote from: r0tor on February 17, 2010, 11:01:27 AM
(never knew in the XDrive system if you turn off the DSC button in locks the center diff to 60/40 split
I would say that is more a necessity then an asset. Without the DSC the XDrive system is blind and can not tell what the ideal torque split should be. DSC also takes over the role of a differential lock by braking a spinning wheel.
on the newer XDrive when you disengage the DSC it goes into a full time 60/40 split and then engages "DTC" or Dynamic Traction Control which still allows the abs system to act like an electronic LSD
I think you wouldn?t regret the X3. It doesn?t seem very popular here but it?s very fun to drive for the segment, has reasonable fuel economy and space. Just be sure to get an LCI (post facelift model) and to not mind when the new one comes out in 10 months. You should be able to get a very good deal on a new one.
i was just reading the 07's have a f'd up tranny
Quote from: r0tor on February 19, 2010, 05:54:01 AM
i was just reading the 07's have a f'd up tranny
Get an RDX.. more or less the same as x3 but more fun..
new idea... help the girlfriend (and future roomate) get a plebian SUV and me get a pimpin AWD car!!!!
Quote from: r0tor on February 19, 2010, 01:36:42 PM
new idea... help the girlfriend (and future roomate) get a plebian SUV and me get a pimpin AWD car!!!!
Come on r0tor. You're the one who wants the SUV. Ditch the RX-8 and get what you really want...an Expedition MAX.
Quote from: r0tor on February 19, 2010, 01:36:42 PM
new idea... help the girlfriend (and future roomate) get a plebian SUV and me get a pimpin AWD car!!!!
Hey, that's what I did.. well, almost.. i'm in thinking of getting a pimping AWD car but she has an SUV to haul shit.. works out great!
If youre gonna go get an SUV go all out. Get one of those International CXT thingys.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 19, 2010, 02:08:11 PM
Come on r0tor. You're the one who wants the SUV. Ditch the RX-8 and get what you really want...an Expedition MAX.
He'd have to move to Canada for that, or buy an Expedition EL.
Touareg.
Escape V6 AWD.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 20, 2010, 04:42:11 PM
They break a lot.
Based on what experience you have with the Touareg? Did you back one out of a garage once?
Quote from: Raza on February 20, 2010, 06:36:46 PM
Based on what experience you have with the Touareg? Did you back one out of a garage once?
I work a mile down the road from a VW dealer. I talk to a lot of owners of various cars. The only car I've heard of from VW that's consistently had problems was the Tow-rag.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 20, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
I work a mile down the road from a VW dealer. I talk to a lot of owners of various cars. The only car I've heard of from VW that's consistently had problems was the Tow-rag.
Got any specifics, or just hearsay and guesses?