Ford will reveal their next generation police car tomorrow at 11:30 am:
http://www.fordpoliceinterceptorreveal.com/
So I've gotta wait 'til tomorrow :huh:?
This is kinda exciting. :lol:
i can barely contain my excitement
Awesome! I cannot wait to see what new police vehicle I'll end up pissing on in a state of inebriation!
Will it have a comfortable back seat? :ohyeah:
I bet it will be Falcon-based. The last Taurus would have been a good car, but the new one is too heavy and the back seat is useless.
I bet it will be car based with two headlights, an engine, and four wheels.
Quote from: R-inge on March 11, 2010, 09:24:49 AM
I bet it will be car based with two headlights, an engine, and four wheels.
I bet there will be a hybrid option.
I bet it's a Transit Connect 5.0 liter.
Quote from: Rockraven on March 11, 2010, 09:44:57 AM
I bet it's a Transit Connect 5.0 liter.
lol that would rock.
Quote from: Rockraven on March 11, 2010, 09:44:57 AM
I bet it's a Transit Connect 5.0 liter.
:rockon: :wtf:
Here it is!
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Ooooo, Ford stock's gonna break $13 with this one.
I hope they star using them here. I like the old days of just looking for a crown vic. Now I've got to look out for cars from all the domestics here.
Autoblog says it's supposed to be Taurus based.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 11, 2010, 05:36:28 PM
Autoblog says it's supposed to be Taurus based.
If it is I'll be curious about the modifications. It would certainly open up the possibility of an AWD option.
I don't understand why what-wheel-drive even matters.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 11, 2010, 05:56:41 PM
I don't understand why what-wheel-drive even matters.
Wut?
Quote from: Catman on March 11, 2010, 05:59:02 PM
Wut?
I just realized that that was some serious engrish.
I don't understand why it matters what wheels are driven.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 11, 2010, 06:00:22 PM
I just realized that that was some serious engrish.
I don't understand why it matters what wheels are driven.
Well, it depends what you are talking about. FWD is more expensive to fix and maintain. Hitting a curb with a front wheel drive car can be a lot more damaging than it would be with a RWD car. It really is not a handling or performance issue in my opinion. I think durability in the drive line may be a non-issue now for the most part. An AWD option would be good for agencies that frequently have inclement weather.
If you knock a front wheel in on a RWD car while spinning out the bad guy, only some suspension and maybe steering pieces need replacement. You do that in a FWD or AWD car and the suspension, steering, axles, and even tranny could be hosed...
Quote from: Catman on March 11, 2010, 06:13:56 PM
An AWD option would be good for agencies that frequently have inclement weather.
So do I as it seems most of the local force has to maintain cars for 80% of the year and a fleet of SUV's for the snowy stuff
Meh. I wonder if GM will have the balls to bring over the Holden based Caprice (G8).
Quote from: Rockraven on March 11, 2010, 06:36:21 PM
Meh. I wonder if GM will have the balls to bring over the Holden based Caprice (G8).
They are.
Quote from: r0tor on March 11, 2010, 06:16:31 PM
So do I as it seems most of the local force has to maintain cars for 80% of the year and a fleet of SUV's for the snowy stuff
We have two explorers that we can use in real bad weather.
Quote from: Catman on March 11, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
We have two explorers that we can use in real bad weather.
How do you know the Dunkin Donuts will be open in weather bad enough that you'll need 4WD?
Quote from: the Teuton on March 11, 2010, 09:22:48 AM
I bet it will be Falcon-based.
(http://www.madmaxmovies.com/cars/mad-max-interceptor/images/InterceptorSide.jpg)
Quote from: the Teuton on March 11, 2010, 07:39:26 PM
How do you know the Dunkin Donuts will be open in weather bad enough that you'll need 4WD?
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Quote from: Catman on March 11, 2010, 07:59:31 PM
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Just as long as your Explorers aren't equipped with LRAD, I think we're good...
Quote from: Catman on March 11, 2010, 07:59:31 PM
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damn you for having that audi in your sig :wub: :cry:
Annnnnnd boom goes the Ford stock.
$13.20+
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=f
r0tor making more money again.... soon i'll be able to buy an A4 for my $4000 investment :lol:
So, has this new Taurus police package been unveiled yet?
Ouch. Perhaps I spoke too soon. All the profit takers are gettin' out. Pullllllllllllllback.
Regardless, they've officially broken the $13 mark.
Quote from: Catman on March 11, 2010, 06:13:56 PM
An AWD option would be good for agencies that frequently have inclement weather.
I can think of a number of states that could benefit from that.
Coldplay? La Vida? Nice Ford.
Decent looking Taurus.
It looks pretty damn good. Taurus based. AWD. 3.5L Duratec with or without EcoBoost. Vinyl seats. 18 inch wheels.
I'd rock one!
After seeing this, I think the Charger will take most of the police market for several reasons:
1. The Charger is rear-drive, is on a proven platform and did very well in MSP testing.
2. The Charger offers a choice of engines - the more efficient 3.5L V6 for city police and the 5.7L V8 for highway patrol. Both engines have a good track record for durability.
3. Unlike the Caprice, the Charger has excellent aftermarket parts availability in North America thanks to years of sales of the 300C and civilian Charger.
I can't see Ford offering a competitive price for the Taurus with Ecoboost and AWD due to complexity and since GM has to import the Caprice and related parts from subsidiaries around the world, I can't imagine how that would be competitive either.
Quote from: 3.0L V6 on March 12, 2010, 10:22:15 AM
After seeing this, I think the Charger will take most of the police market for several reasons:
1. The Charger is rear-drive, is on a proven platform and did very well in MSP testing.
2. The Charger offers a choice of engines - the more efficient 3.5L V6 for city police and the 5.7L V8 for highway patrol. Both engines have a good track record for durability.
3. Unlike the Caprice, the Charger has excellent aftermarket parts availability in North America thanks to years of sales of the 300C and civilian Charger.
I can't see Ford offering a competitive price for the Taurus with Ecoboost and AWD due to complexity and since GM has to import the Caprice and related parts from subsidiaries around the world, I can't imagine how that would be competitive either.
I was driving a Charger yesterday. We won't buy anymore.
http://www.fordpoliceinterceptor.com
Wow did the presenters go to great lengths to not mention the "T" word.
Quote from: GoCougs on March 12, 2010, 10:57:32 AM
Wow did the presenters go to great lengths to not mention the "T" word.
I know
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Quote from: Catman on March 12, 2010, 10:34:28 AM
I was driving a Charger yesterday. We won't buy anymore.
May I ask why?
You know what this means, right?
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This seems like a decent car, to my unprofessional eye. Maybe once MI starts testing them you'll get to see if it can handle the needs of LE effectively. The idea of the EcoBoost with AWD get my juices flowing... would make this a great vehicle for the Colorado State Patrol.
Quote from: 3.0L V6 on March 12, 2010, 11:21:08 AM
May I ask why?
We only have one and it drive well enough but the visibility is terrible, the dealer network is poor and many departments have had reliability issues with them.
Quote from: Catman on March 11, 2010, 07:59:31 PM
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I know, I know, but whenever I see a copper pull into a doughnut shop, I still laugh.
Been following some of the comments over at officer.com. I don't think some of these guys realize how archaic the CVPI is.
Quote from: Catman on March 13, 2010, 10:58:11 AM
Been following some of the comments over at officer.com. I don't think some of these guys realize how archaic the CVPI is.
But other than gas mileage and a dated design, can you tell me why the CVPI would be a bad car for cops? It's rugged, reliable, it handles reasonably well, has a huge GVWR, and it's comfortable.
My thought was that they should have put a hybrid engine/motor in the CV, updated the styling and bits that needed it, and called it a day.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 13, 2010, 11:20:15 AM
But other than gas mileage and a dated design, can you tell me why the CVPI would be a bad car for cops? It's rugged, reliable, it handles reasonably well, has a huge GVWR, and it's comfortable.
My thought was that they should have put a hybrid engine/motor in the CV, updated the styling and bits that needed it, and called it a day.
I wouldn't say a hybrid design, but maybe the new 3.7L V6 or 5.0L V8 with a six speed automatic might be a worthwhile improvement. Possibly relocating the fuel tank might be an idea also. However, I'd imagine that those improvements would utterly destroy any profit margin on the car itself.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 13, 2010, 11:20:15 AM
But other than gas mileage and a dated design, can you tell me why the CVPI would be a bad car for cops? It's rugged, reliable, it handles reasonably well, has a huge GVWR, and it's comfortable.
My thought was that they should have put a hybrid engine/motor in the CV, updated the styling and bits that needed it, and called it a day.
The CVPI will not meet safety standards going forward, it's terribly dated and does virtually nothing well. Yeah they are pretty durable but not great in my opinion. We've always had front ends that don't last, bad transmissions on occasion and poor fuel economy. The engines have been incredible though.
I do not think the Charger will take over the market. I honestly believe that the Ford Interceptor will be the vehicle of choice. I cannot prove that and arguing about it would be total supposition. I'd be surprised if Ford's market share in this area dropped below 60%. The presentation said they had an 70% market right now.
Here's my problem and maybe Catman can help me out with this, but from what I understand, this is going to be a bit more expensive than the Crown Vic no? Vics and Impalas are typically chosen by a lot of municipalities do to the fact that they are inexpensive to buy, reliable, and easy to fix if something goes wrong. The Impala's ultimate problem is that it is FWD while the Vic was a RWD monster. Even if you take out the creature comforts out of the Taurus, will this vehicle be equally as expensive or will it sell for around the same price point as the Vic?
Superficially, this looks better and more rugged to me. I loved the design elements on the new Taurus. Between the Taurus and the LaCrosse, both Ford and GM have built some excellent large vehicles. I saw a LaCrosse today at the gym and my, was it looking great. It was a red CXL with a beige leather that looked plush.
I will say, AWD EcoBoost would be BA. I think the men in blue will have a great time with this vehicle and do it with a little more style.
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on March 13, 2010, 01:41:31 PM
I do not think the Charger will take over the market. I honestly believe that the Ford Interceptor will be the vehicle of choice. I cannot prove that and arguing about it would be total supposition. I'd be surprised if Ford's market share in this area dropped below 60%. The presentation said they had an 70% market right now.
Here's my problem and maybe Catman can help me out with this, but from what I understand, this is going to be a bit more expensive than the Crown Vic no? Vics and Impalas are typically chosen by a lot of municipalities do to the fact that they are inexpensive to buy, reliable, and easy to fix if something goes wrong. The Impala's ultimate problem is that it is FWD while the Vic was a RWD monster. Even if you take out the creature comforts out of the Taurus, will this vehicle be equally as expensive or will it sell for around the same price point as the Vic?
Superficially, this looks better and more rugged to me. I loved the design elements on the new Taurus. Between the Taurus and the LaCrosse, both Ford and GM have built some excellent large vehicles. I saw a LaCrosse today at the gym and my, was it looking great. It was a red CXL with a beige leather that looked plush.
I will say, AWD EcoBoost would be BA. I think the men in blue will have a great time with this vehicle and do it with a little more style.
If I had to guess I think the standard FWD with the 3.5 will be priced at or below the current CVPI. The AWD drive option might be $1500-2000 more and the Ecoboost another $1500-2000 over that. That's just a guess though. One thing to consider is that some of that can be offset by fuel savings but intitial costs will be more due to the need to purchase new cages and other stuff. I also wonder if there is a financial benefit to Ford dropping the inefficient CVPI due to poor fuel efficiency.
Quote from: Catman on March 13, 2010, 01:47:43 PM
I also wonder if there is a financial benefit to Ford dropping the inefficient CVPI due to poor fuel efficiency.
I'd imagine that increasing CAFE restrictions would encourage Ford to drop the CVPI, among a multitude of other reasons. Meeting next generation regulations for crash protection, stability control, etc. would likely require an expensive redesign of the car. Also, since Ford doesn't sell many civilian versions of the Panther platform anymore (who buys a body on frame, V8 rear-drive car anymore?), they have trouble keeping the assembly plant utilized at full capacity, so the advantage of using high volumes to offset costs is gone.
If Ford can produce a FWD Taurus at the same or less cost than the CVPI, why not? Everyone knew the writing was on the wall - the CV had to go sometime. It's been a heck of a run.
The reason why the CVPI is such a terrible car is the same reason why Detroit stopped making cars like it more than 20 years ago; all aspects of performance, economy, safety and space utilization being the biggies, are just plain bad. Further, its chassis couldn't handle the ~400 hp of the new 5.0L V8 without profound chassis and suspension upgrades.
Quote from: r0tor on March 11, 2010, 06:15:24 PM
If you knock a front wheel in on a RWD car while spinning out the bad guy, only some suspension and maybe steering pieces need replacement. You do that in a FWD or AWD car and the suspension, steering, axles, and even tranny could be hosed...
Very very few agencies including ours even allow PIT to be used and then only by really highly trained people. Plus you don't hit the fleeing car with your tire just the corner of the bumper.
Quote from: Catman on March 12, 2010, 10:34:28 AM
I was driving a Charger yesterday. We won't buy anymore.
Interesting. we just cancelled an order for 6 more Imps for 8 new chargers. Imps we have are not holding together and have about 32% down/repair time (including gen. maint.) while both the CVPI's and Chargers are about 8% down/repair time. Imps just aren't holding up and doing the math we discovered we could buy 2 extra cars for a 2 year period on the repair bills alone- so- we did. we aren't even going to consider the new GM cars until MSP has a go at them in Lansing.
(I have my theories about the down times on the Imps tho based on how ppl here feel about them)
Quote from: Catman on March 13, 2010, 01:47:43 PM
If I had to guess I think the standard FWD with the 3.5 will be priced at or below the current CVPI. The AWD drive option might be $1500-2000 more and the Ecoboost another $1500-2000 over that. That's just a guess though. One thing to consider is that some of that can be offset by fuel savings but intitial costs will be more due to the need to purchase new cages and other stuff. I also wonder if there is a financial benefit to Ford dropping the inefficient CVPI due to poor fuel efficiency.
Charger has had their AWD police option for a couple years in both engines (I think). AWD version has
MUCH heavier steering and doesn't have the same steering response- it's also slower around the MSP track by a little.
Quote from: rohan on March 14, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
Interesting. we just cancelled an order for 6 more Imps for 8 new chargers. Imps we have are not holding together and have about 32% down/repair time (including gen. maint.) while both the CVPI's and Chargers are about 8% down/repair time. Imps just aren't holding up and doing the math we discovered we could buy 2 extra cars for a 2 year period on the repair bills alone- so- we did. we aren't even going to consider the new GM cars until MSP has a go at them in Lansing.
(I have my theories about the down times on the Imps tho based on how ppl here feel about them)
The biggest gripe we have with the Charger is no one can see out of it. No one wants to drive it.
Quote from: rohan on March 14, 2010, 10:00:57 AM
Charger has had their AWD police option for a couple years in both engines (I think). AWD version has MUCH heavier steering and doesn't have the same steering response- it's also slower around the MSP track by a little.
I believe that was a Magnum option? There's nothing about AWD on the Dodge police site. There shouldn't be heavier steering. Anyway, a RWD is going to be faster around a track, but if you throw in acceleration and road holding in less than desirable conditions the AWD is going to bite better and be a lot more forgiving.
As with the SHO, the EcoBoost engine will only come with AWD.
Also, instead of just bull bars, there's a police department that puts full cages on the front of all of its cars. Why?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3455359813_1fdba1ed94.jpg?v=1240157864)
It's the same township that a lot of the Steelers live in so they have money there, but what's the point? The picture was taken during the cop shooting funeral services from last year, so those cop cars behind it are from all over the nation.
Quote from: Catman on March 14, 2010, 11:01:06 AM
The biggest gripe we have with the Charger is no one can see out of it. No one wants to drive it.
I'll drive it. Where do I sign up for my gun?
Quote from: Catman on March 14, 2010, 11:01:06 AM
The biggest gripe we have with the Charger is no one can see out of it. No one wants to drive it.
What do yous have a bunch of midgets working for you? I'm 5'10 and I've got zero problems seeing out of it.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 14, 2010, 11:09:08 AM
Also, instead of just bull bars, there's a police department that puts full cages on the front of all of its cars. Why?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3455359813_1fdba1ed94.jpg?v=1240157864)
Because of crap like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V28iPsFgmUA
and this
the state car in this video has a Go-Rhino full push bar on the front- which made it almost indestructable to ramming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzP2dyVwOwI
Quote from: rohan on March 14, 2010, 12:19:28 PM
Because of crap like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V28iPsFgmUA
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzP2dyVwOwI
But then why don't all cop cars have cages instead of bull bars?
What's a bull bar?
(http://www.desktopcar.net/wallpaper/23849-2/Dodge_Charger_Police_car.jpg)
they're called push bars- and this is what we're using here-
http://www.swps.com/go-rhino-5038w.html
It's up to the individual administatrator what's on the cars. Some think the pushbars look too aggressive and others like that look. I like them becaue they take a tremendous amount of abuse with almost no damage to the patrol cars. We put those and Go-Rhino skid plates on all our patrol vehicles and we rarely take front end damage. My guess about those white ones is they're special made maybe. I've never seen them before. And they honestly don't look as substantial as the Go-Rhino we use or Setina you posted.
by the way- the one to the left of that white one is what 99% of our state police cars have and what we had in Detroit- they're cheap and flimsy and don't protect the car at all they just look cool. Also made by Setina they're like $99 and you have to drill some holes into the bumpers while ours are all mounted inside the bumpers.
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Quote from: rohan on March 14, 2010, 12:34:25 PM
they're called push bars- and this is what we're using here-
http://www.swps.com/go-rhino-5038w.html
It's up to the individual administatrator what's on the cars. Some think the pushbars look too aggressive and others like that look. I like them becaue they take a tremendous amount of abuse with almost no damage to the patrol cars. We put those and Go-Rhino skid plates on all our patrol vehicles and we rarely take front end damage. My guess about those white ones is they're special made maybe. I've never seen them before. And they honestly don't look as substantial as the Go-Rhino we use or Setina you posted.
Like I said, McCandless has a lot of money to play with.
Quote from: rohan on March 14, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
What do yous have a bunch of midgets working for you? I'm 5'10 and I've got zero problems seeing out of it.
I am the same height as you and I don't like it either. Yeah, you get used to it but the high sills and trunk do not lend themselves to good visibility. I think if I had the choice between the Charger and CVPI I would probably take the Charger though. It's more modern car and drives pretty well.
I've driven a Charger SXT and a Mercury Grand Marquis for reference, but I don't think I could spend several hours in the Dodge. Those front seats are hard and unsupportive, if ever there were any.
Have you seen the Taurus in person? It's got at least as high sills on it and the trunk has the elevated thing going on that all the newer cars have - I don't know if it'll be any better to be honest. We're very interested in the Caprice but it'll have to measure up to the charger before we'll even look at them. And we've stopped buying current fords completely now.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 14, 2010, 12:52:25 PM
I've driven a Charger SXT and a Mercury Grand Marquis for reference, but I don't think I could spend several hours in the Dodge. Those front seats are hard and unsupportive, if ever there were any.
The seats in the Fords are too soft last about a year and then break down so much they're very uncomfortable and hurt the guy's backs. The dodge seats are stiff but really aren't that bad and they're actually pretty comfy to sit in a long time and they don't seem to break down. the chevy seats are somewhere in between. But that's my opinion. And it's not like you sit in that seat for hours at a time- at least youre not supposed to anyway. You're in and out of the car for most of your shift.
Quote from: Catman on March 14, 2010, 11:07:12 AM
I believe that was a Magnum option? There's nothing about AWD on the Dodge police site. There shouldn't be heavier steering. Anyway, a RWD is going to be faster around a track, but if you throw in acceleration and road holding in less than desirable conditions the AWD is going to bite better and be a lot more forgiving.
Could be on the option. I just remember driving a mule we had here and the steering was very very heavy in comparison- wasn't the only one either. But the other stuff you wrote is certainly true I suppose.
Quote from: rohan on March 14, 2010, 12:53:53 PM
Have you seen the Taurus in person? It's got at least as high sills on it and the trunk has the elevated thing going on that all the newer cars have - I don't know if it'll be any better to be honest. We're very interested in the Caprice but it'll have to measure up to the charger before we'll even look at them. And we've stopped buying current fords completely now.
I suspect it will be a little better than the Charger but not that much better. I just saw one yesterday though and it is a big car!
Quote from: rohan on March 14, 2010, 12:55:55 PM
The seats in the Fords are too soft last about a year and then break down so much they're very uncomfortable and hurt the guy's backs. The dodge seats are stiff but really aren't that bad and they're actually pretty comfy to sit in a long time and they don't seem to break down. the chevy seats are somewhere in between. But that's my opinion. And it's not like you sit in that seat for hours at a time- at least youre not supposed to anyway. You're in and out of the car for most of your shift.
I prefer the firmer seats in the Dodge as will. The Fords are too soft and break down quickly. The Caprice looks awesome we will have to see.
It looks like the Chevrolet is going to be a very nice choice. I'd be curious as to how it will hold up. Looking at the windows it looks like visibility may be better than the Ford or the Dodge.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/10/16337016.jpg)
I can't say anything for certain because I don't know for certain, but the Chevy was designed to cope with rough Aussie roads and drop bears. It ought to be nice.
Go to your Pontiac/GMC/Hummer dealer and test drive a used G8. That's basically what you'll be getting.
I don't understand. I think a facelift for the car to fit more in line with GM's current models would make the PI variant more viable. A LWB Stateseman/Caprice/Lumina IMO makes more sense than the SWB midsize-ish G8.
I still think they should sell it here as the Buick Park Avenue or Senator, but then again, it would be pretty redundant and possibly cannibalize both the Cadillac CTS and XTS.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 14, 2010, 05:50:22 PM
I still think they should sell it here as the Buick Park Avenue or Senator, but then again, it would be pretty redundant and possibly cannibalize both the Cadillac CTS and XTS.
It's too drab to be either a Buick or Cadillac.
As a Chevy Impala, it'd be great.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 14, 2010, 05:48:08 PM
I don't understand. I think a facelift for the car to fit more in line with GM's current models would make the PI variant more viable. A LWB Stateseman/Caprice/Lumina IMO makes more sense than the SWB midsize-ish G8.
The Capric PPV is the long wheelbase.
Quote from: Catman on March 14, 2010, 11:01:06 AM
The biggest gripe we have with the Charger is no one can see out of it. No one wants to drive it.
Well, the Taurus isn't going to be warmly received.
The only issue I see with the Caprice is they are not moving the shifter the column.
Quote from: rohan on March 14, 2010, 12:34:25 PM
they're called push bars- and this is what we're using here-
Outside of the police world they're called bull bars. Just my 2 cents. :ohyeah:
As far as Mr. Cron is concerned they're roo bars.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 14, 2010, 07:09:24 PM
Outside of the police world they're called bull bars.
Or safari bars or brush bars...
The Taurus doesn't have a whole lot of room for such a large car (the last one did). How are they planning on fixing that?
I still say give us the Falcon!
Quote from: the Teuton on March 14, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
The Taurus doesn't have a whole lot of room for such a large car (the last one did). How are they planning on fixing that?
I still say give us the Falcon!
For something so large, it doesn't have room. However, it is by no means cramped.
The last gen Taurus was a beautiful car to be in.
Quote from: 93JC on March 14, 2010, 07:32:54 PM
As far as Mr. Cron is concerned they're roo bars.
I, er, call them bull bars....
As for the cars, CarPoint put up a comparison of basic specifications:
Ford Taurus Interceptor (general duties version)
Engine: 3.5-litre V6 195kW and 340Nm / 262hp and 251lb-ft
Transmission: Six-speed auto and front-wheel-drive
Overall length: 5153mm / 202.9"
Wheelbase: 2867mm / 112.9"
Width: 1935mm / 76.2"
Boot space: 569 litres / 20.1 cubic feet
Turning circle: 12.1 metres / 39.7'
Ford Taurus Interceptor (highway patrol version)
Engine: Twin-turbo 3.5-litre V6 270kW and 470Nm / 362hp and 347lb-ft
Transmission: Six-speed auto and all-wheel-drive
Overall length: 5153mm / 202.9"
Wheelbase: 2867mm / 112.9"
Width: 1935mm / 76.2"
Boot space: 569 litres / 20.1 cubic feet
Turning circle: 12.1 metres / 39.7'
Holden Caprice (general duties version)
Engine: 3.6-litre V6 210kW and 350Nm / 282hp and 258lb-ft
Transmission: Six-speed auto and rear drive
Overall length: 5160mm / 203.1"
Wheelbase: 3009mm / 118.5"
Width: 1899mm / 74.8"
Boot space: 560 litres / 19.8 cubic feet
Turning circle: 11.6 metres / 38.1'
Holden Caprice (highway patrol version)
Engine: 6.0-litre V8 260kW and 517Nm / 349hp and 381lb-ft
Transmission: Six-speed auto and rear drive
Overall length: 5160mm / 203.1"
Wheelbase: 3009mm / 118.5"
Width: 1899mm / 74.8"
Boot space: 560 litres / 19.8 cubic feet
Turning circle: 11.6 metres / 38.1'
Ford Crown Victoria (interceptor version)
Engine: 4.6-litre V8 190kW and 370Nm / 255hp and 273lb-ft
Transmission: Four-speed auto and rear-drive
Overall length: 5385mm / 212"
Wheelbase: 2913mm / 114.7"
Width: 1963mm / 77.3"
Boot space: 583 litres / 20.6 cubic feet
Turning circle: 12.2 metres / 40'
Caprice FTW.
Quote from: omicron on March 16, 2010, 09:10:09 AM
I, er, call them bull bars....
And now I suppose you'll tell me dingoes
didn't eat your baby, and you're not going to throw more shrimp on the barbie. THERE IS NO BARBIE, IS THERE?!
Quote from: 93JC on March 16, 2010, 09:22:18 AM
And now I suppose you'll tell me dingoes didn't eat your baby, and you're not going to throw more shrimp on the barbie. THERE IS NO BARBIE, IS THERE?!
Dang! Who told you?
(And Vegemite
is actually a stool sample, if we're in the sharing mood)
I feel like I can't trust you anymore. You still slam Tim Tams, right?
Quote from: 93JC on March 16, 2010, 09:34:13 AM
I feel like I can't trust you anymore. You still slam Tim Tams, right?
I did that the other day, in fact. Delicious. And not at all messy if done properly.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 11, 2010, 08:02:10 PM
Just as long as your Explorers aren't equipped with LRAD, I think we're good...
wuts LRAD
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 17, 2010, 11:38:06 PM
wuts LRAD
Long-range acoustic device. It's a sound beam that's used on militants in the Middle East and Pittsburghers to break up riots.
I'm going to miss those Crown Victoria's. If I was in the States I would probably commit a crime and lead the police on a long car chase to experience the thrill of being chased by a Crown Victoria Police Interceptor V10! :praise:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 18, 2010, 09:36:26 AM
I'm going to miss those Crown Victoria's. If I was in the States I would probably commit a crime and lead the police on a long car chase to experience the thrill of being chased by a Crown Victoria Police Interceptor V10! :praise:
Police interceptors use the "Modular" V8.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2010, 09:37:35 AM
Police interceptors use the "Modular" V8.
Ah, who cares. It's the beautiful shape of the car that matters.
Why do Americans buy Camry's when they can have THIS!? :rockon:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Ford_Crown_Victoria_LX.jpg/800px-Ford_Crown_Victoria_LX.jpg)
Quote from: Tave on March 14, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
Or safari bars or brush bars...
In German they are called Kuhf?nger. Literally cow catchers.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 18, 2010, 09:39:03 AM
Ah, who cares. It's the beautiful shape of the car that matters.
Why do Americans buy Camry's when they can have THIS!? :rockon:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Ford_Crown_Victoria_LX.jpg/800px-Ford_Crown_Victoria_LX.jpg)
Because they generally suck.
I wouldn't want to daily drive a Crown Vic. Its exterior dimensions are best measured in acres.
In my most recent arrests :pullover:, I rode in the backs of Crown Vics and Chargers. The Crown Vic's backseat was roomier and more comfortable than the Charger's, but neither was gonna rate that comfy when you're strapped into a seat belt/shoulder harness with your hands cuffed behind your back :confused:.
To be fair, the Crown Vic was fully upholstered whereas the Charger had what appeared to be a fibreglass shelf. Times are tough all over :(
I say, fuck all the arguing about it and buy Chargers--four doors & RWD out-the-door. It ain't like the deputies (or Mounties or Federales, as the case may be) were making social calls, right? :thumbsup:
Actually, wouldn't 300s be at least as suitable as either of these? Probably cheaper than Chargers to boot!
I was over in the Poconos some years back and they had S197 Mustang GTs! I couldn't get a free ride in one of those because these hordes of Poles or Russians or Czechs from NYC were partying & raising merry Hell :partyon: until nearly 4 AM every morning which kept the local constabulary working doubleshifts making arrests and managing a little grabass now & then. No one had time to arrest a dude who could still see in colors so I missed yet another opportunity to get packed into a tight backseat overflowing with coeds with accents and tight backseats of their own. :cry:
Life ain't fair... :pee:
Quote from: the Teuton on March 18, 2010, 11:35:47 AM
I wouldn't want to daily drive a Crown Vic. Its exterior dimensions are best measured in acres.
About a year ago I spotted a US embassy Ford Crown Vic in Munich. They didn't appear that large at all. And they're hot. :rockon:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 18, 2010, 01:17:52 PM
About a year ago I spotted a US embassy Ford Crown Vic in Munich. They didn't appear that large at all. And they're hot. :rockon:
It is that large, and it's a very isolated daily driver. It's cushy...it's basically the best evolution of the 1970s land yacht. You might like it, but I don't think it'd be for me.
Something about the CV, TC, and GM make me tickled. I just love them. They're very...stately. Simple, elegant, and fluffy. In a good way.
(http://www.daytonalimos.com/images/TownCarSedan.JPG)
(http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/10/24/068508.1-lg.jpg)
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2133/112/110/1260240097/n1260240097_30051719_5977.jpg)
The Town Car is one of my favorite cars. Like you said, it's just stately.
I would totally rock a P71.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 18, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
It is that large, and it's a very isolated daily driver. It's cushy...it's basically the best evolution of the 1970s land yacht. You might like it, but I don't think it'd be for me.
"Evolution" of a 70s land yacht? It
is a 70s land yacht, just with a more modern skin. That platform's been around since like 1978.
Quote from: Galaxy on March 18, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
In German they are called Kuhf?nger. Literally cow catchers.
Really? Exacty the same term in Norwegian; Kufanger. :lol:
Quote from: the Teuton on March 17, 2010, 11:41:34 PM
Long-range acoustic device. It's a sound beam that's used on militants in the Middle East and Pittsburghers to break up riots.
LOL
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 18, 2010, 09:39:03 AM
Ah, who cares. It's the beautiful shape of the car that matters.
Why do Americans buy Camry's when they can have THIS!? :rockon:
Cuz only old people drive those. They are larger, and use up more Gas.
Quote from: Galaxy on March 18, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
In German they are called Kuhf?nger. Literally cow catchers.
I've heard that term here too.
Read an article about the new Interceptor. It mentioned the "good looks of the Challenger".
Seriously, is that what needs to be influencing policecar design??
(Not saying they should be super-ugly...)
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 19, 2010, 06:32:39 AM
Read an article about the new Interceptor. It mentioned the "good looks of the Challenger".
Seriously, is that what needs to be influencing policecar design??
(Not saying they should be super-ugly...)
They should be incredibly ugly. They should be very ugly, very bright, and possibly glow in the dark.
Quote from: Raza on March 19, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
They should be incredibly ugly. They should be very ugly, very bright, and possibly glow in the dark.
Camaros, then?
Quote from: Raza on March 19, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
They should be incredibly ugly. They should be very ugly, very bright, and possibly glow in the dark.
That's not a bad idea. Maybe be trackable on google maps too?
Quote from: SVT_Power on March 20, 2010, 08:25:45 PM
That's not a bad idea. Maybe be trackable on google maps too?
google maps would be useless. I want to be able to see them as a flashing red and blue dot on a navi screen
You know what would have been a better cop car than the 2010 Taurus? The 2009 Taurus. It was a great, but utterly boring design.
Got a first hand look at all the new police offerings today and I will make my predictions known.
Ford is going to lose a lot of market share with the Taurus. Unless the dash is going to be redesigned for the production car its a total disaster as far as interior space and usability. Because of the shape of the dash there is no way to effectively mount a traditional laptop. Room and visibility are very disappointing. Also Ford needs to stop referring to the new Interceptor as "Purpose Built", its not. Its a beefed up Taurus.
On the other hand the new Interceptor Utility (Explorer) is fantastic in just about every area. Plenty of room all around, good visibility too.
Chevrolet had the new Caprice PPV on hand as well and I believe its going to be the runaway favorite among police officers. It has a tremendous amount of room, as much as the Explorer up front minus the head room. The console shifter has been relocated as far forward and towards the driver as it can get so there's plenty of room for a laptop setup now. Only think that will hurt it is that the 6.0 is the only engine for this coming year.
What about the new Charger?
Quote from: Mustangfan2003 on March 24, 2011, 03:09:31 PM
What about the new Charger?
They did not have a Pursuit there just the civilian model with a light bar on top. Wasn't bad. Not a complete redesign so the new one will have the same strengths and weaknesses as the old model.
My dads department bought as many Crown Vics as they could this year.
Quote from: Mustangfan2003 on March 24, 2011, 03:28:09 PM
My dads department bought as many Crown Vics as they could this year.
I see that going on, not sure that is wise either but whatever. I can see why. Space utilization in the Taurus is so bad its ridiculous. The car is huge and has no room in it. Its longer than the damn Explorer!
Man, doesn't anyone here miss the days when cop cars were actually beautiful, cool and had style? :confused:
Like this:
(http://www.prestoimages.net/store/graphics/920_pd252367_1.JPG)
(http://militarypd.50webs.com/usaf208.jpg)
(http://www.allpar.com/squads/photos/parade/diplomat/diplomat-front.jpg)
And here's my favorite! '74 Dodge Monaco!
(http://media.motortopia.com/files/3767/vehicle/4a6d288f90557/Monacojune09_7.jpg)
:wub:
I think they are cool but they are where they belong......in the history books!
Quote from: Catman on March 24, 2011, 03:54:30 PM
I think they are cool but they are where they belong......in the history books!
Come on, Catman. Imagine yourself in this baby. :praise: :rockon:
(http://www.autowp.ru/pictures/plymouth/volare/autowp.ru_plymouth_volare_police_1.jpg)
What is the status with Carbon Motors?
Quote from: Galaxy on March 24, 2011, 05:18:34 PM
What is the status with Carbon Motors?
Too expensive, and Carbon can't generate any funds to make the car.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 24, 2011, 04:02:19 PM
Come on, Catman. Imagine yourself in this baby. :praise: :rockon:
(http://www.autowp.ru/pictures/plymouth/volare/autowp.ru_plymouth_volare_police_1.jpg)
If I were a bank robber equipped with the heart rate-elevating Civic DX, I'd hope to see Catman in one of those too.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 24, 2011, 06:35:00 PM
If I were a bank robber equipped with the heart rate-elevating Civic DX, I'd hope to see Catman in one of those too.
The Volare would trash your Civic DX.
Why?
Because...
RWD > FWD :thumbsup:
Quote from: 2o6 on March 24, 2011, 06:32:30 PM
Too expensive, and Carbon can't generate any funds to make the car.
They had a good idea but yeah it cost too much.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 18, 2010, 01:39:07 PM
Something about the CV, TC, and GM make me tickled. I just love them. They're very...stately. Simple, elegant, and fluffy. In a good way.
(http://www.daytonalimos.com/images/TownCarSedan.JPG)
(http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/10/24/068508.1-lg.jpg)
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2133/112/110/1260240097/n1260240097_30051719_5977.jpg)
Then you step foot in one, and want to hang yourself.
Quote from: Submariner on March 24, 2011, 07:16:19 PM
Then you step foot in one, and want to hang yourself.
+1.
"Panther love is a beautiful thing."
Quote from: 2o6 on March 24, 2011, 07:18:01 PM
+1.
if you bought a Crown Vic instead of the Neon, you wouldn't have sold your car 6 months later in search of another one.
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 24, 2011, 08:07:14 PM
if you bought a Crown Vic instead of the Neon, you wouldn't have sold your car 6 months later in search of another one.
Right.
I would have sold it TWO months later.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 24, 2011, 08:09:02 PM
Right.
I would have sold it TWO months later.
The new Grand Marquis isn't a bad car.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 24, 2011, 07:18:01 PM
+1.
Shutup. You have no idea what you're talking about. Kthx.
Quote from: Catman on March 24, 2011, 03:04:43 PM
Got a first hand look at all the new police offerings today and I will make my predictions known.
Ford is going to lose a lot of market share with the Taurus. Unless the dash is going to be redesigned for the production car its a total disaster as far as interior space and usability. Because of the shape of the dash there is no way to effectively mount a traditional laptop. Room and visibility are very disappointing. Also Ford needs to stop referring to the new Interceptor as "Purpose Built", its not. Its a beefed up Taurus.
On the other hand the new Interceptor Utility (Explorer) is fantastic in just about every area. Plenty of room all around, good visibility too.
Chevrolet had the new Caprice PPV on hand as well and I believe its going to be the runaway favorite among police officers. It has a tremendous amount of room, as much as the Explorer up front minus the head room. The console shifter has been relocated as far forward and towards the driver as it can get so there's plenty of room for a laptop setup now. Only think that will hurt it is that the 6.0 is the only engine for this coming year.
This is very good news for the Elizabeth factory. Hopefully demand is sufficient to reinstate the third shift.
Quote from: omicron on March 25, 2011, 05:34:40 AM
This is very good news for the Elizabeth factory. Hopefully demand is sufficient to reinstate the third shift.
We will see!
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 25, 2011, 01:08:39 AM
Shutup. You have no idea what you're talking about. Kthx.
I mean, they are terrible cars.
Why is the Grand Marquis called "Panther Love"?
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 25, 2011, 01:52:15 PM
Why is the Grand Marquis called "Panther Love"?
Ford's in-house designation/name for the platform that it is built on is "Panther".
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 25, 2011, 01:52:15 PM
Why is the Grand Marquis called "Panther Love"?
It is built on the Panther chassis that underpinned the first Crown Vics in the 70s
Quote from: MX793 on March 25, 2011, 01:55:37 PM
Ford's in-house designation/name for the platform that it is built on is "Panther".
Got it. :ohyeah:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on March 25, 2011, 01:57:58 PM
It is built on the Panther chassis that underpinned the first Crown Vics in the 70s
Panther + 1970s...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panthers
:lol:
i am seeing a lot of 2010 ford explorer police vehicles in nys (opposed to any 2011 ones) all of a sudden (as in just obtained)... thinking they must have been sold at cut throat rates. also, new york state police barracks seem to have a lot of 2010 dodge charger police cars (not 2011 yet) coming in... also wondering if there was a blowout "sale" on the older model of this squad car. the nys chargers have no light-bars on top... rather flashers in the grille and on the dashboard. they are blue/gold like the former crown vics and chevy suv's.
Quote from: Atomic on March 30, 2011, 07:30:00 AM
i am seeing a lot of 2010 ford explorer police vehicles in nys (opposed to any 2011 ones) all of a sudden (as in just obtained)... thinking they must have been sold at cut throat rates. also, new york state police barracks seem to have a lot of 2010 dodge charger police cars (not 2011 yet) coming in... also wondering if there was a blowout "sale" on the older model of this squad car. the nys chargers have no light-bars on top... rather flashers in the grille and on the dashboard. they are blue/gold like the former crown vics and chevy suv's.
I've noticed a number of otherwise fully marked NYST Crown Vics without light bars on the roof. I have to wonder if they aren't forgoing the use of the roof-mounted light bar for better aerodynamics and improved fuel economy. They still have rear and forward facing lights inside the car behind the front and rear windshields.
NY seems to be buying a shitload of Tahoes.
Actually saw an unmarked Tahoe the other day with a Helping Schools tag on it. Guess he was doing his part by writing some tickets.
Quote from: Catman on April 01, 2011, 07:54:33 AM
NY seems to be buying a shitload of Tahoes.
Yup. A state Trooper hides behind my school's giant electronic sign at night now. So stealth.
Quote from: Catman on April 01, 2011, 07:54:33 AM
NY seems to be buying a shitload of Tahoes.
More than half of the state trooper vehicles I see now are Tahoes.
Quote from: Galaxy on March 24, 2011, 05:18:34 PM
What is the status with Carbon Motors?
It was more or less a scam, and cost some investors hundreds of thousands of dollars even millions.
Nothing will ever come of it.
I kind of figured. I don't know how you can produce a modern car that is reasonably priced without economies of scale to draw upon.
Quote from: The Pirate on April 03, 2011, 08:53:39 PM
More than half of the state trooper vehicles I see now are Tahoes.
especially down state, where winter's can be even rougher.
seeing a lot of the blue and gold chargers is new at the trooper's barracks.