Exterior is a bit drab, but the interior is very nice!
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/01/01-2012-buick-verano.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/01/02-2012-buick-verano.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/01/05-2012-buick-verano.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/01/15-2012-buick-verano.jpg)
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/06/officially-official-2012-buick-verano-revealed/
This car means that the Regal will need more power and more sporting prowess. Regal should be 2.0T standard, and the 2.8T V6 as the "GS" line.
The interior is remarkably nice for an econo-car derivative. I want to see it for myself at the next car show.
Both the exterior and interior are very attractive.
I agree that there needs to be more differentiation between the Regal and this.
Yeah, it's attractive for sure. But what's the point? It almost reminds me of Cimarron part 2 (obviously not quite so blatant though).
Eh, Buick's not a flagship brand, and selling rebadges certainly isn't beneath them. Not heretical in my book.
This car does not deserve an exclamation point.
I like it.
Well I'll be. It's not a hateful shitbox. What a nice surprise!
HAHAHA ... eBrake: This car is crap
So it's an exact clone of the Regal except they just reversed the character line and turned the tail lights upside down. How creative.
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/auto-shows/los-angeles/2011-buick-regal/gallery/2011_buick_regal_photo_3/1564165-1-eng-US/la09-2011-buick-regal-003_gallery_image_large.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/01/05-2012-buick-verano.jpg)
Nice. I'm not quite sure who is going to buy it. But at least it looks nice. :ohyeah:
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 06, 2011, 08:35:30 AM
So it's an exact clone of the Regal except they just reversed the character line and turned the tail lights upside down. How creative.
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/auto-shows/los-angeles/2011-buick-regal/gallery/2011_buick_regal_photo_3/1564165-1-eng-US/la09-2011-buick-regal-003_gallery_image_large.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/01/05-2012-buick-verano.jpg)
No.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 06, 2011, 10:04:05 AM
No.
He's not wrong. They do look very similar. Too bad the back of the Verano looks like an afterthought.
Quote from: Laconian on January 06, 2011, 12:07:59 AM
Eh, Buick's not a flagship brand, and selling rebadges certainly isn't beneath them. Not heretical in my book.
It's a platform mate of the Cruze, and shares more with the Astra than the Cruze. Calling this a rebadge is like saying the A3 is a rebadged Golf.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 06, 2011, 12:06:15 AM
Yeah, it's attractive for sure. But what's the point? It almost reminds me of Cimarron part 2 (obviously not quite so blatant though).
The Skylark, Somerset and Skyhawk are three compact Buicks that have been in Buick's lineup over the years.
Quote from: CJ on January 06, 2011, 10:11:51 AM
He's not wrong. They do look very similar. Too bad the back of the Verano looks like an afterthought.
VAG products of late are far less imaginative and are a LOT more derivative. They are supposed to look similar. Do they look as similar as he implies? No.
The VW products also looks pretty darn good.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 06, 2011, 10:14:14 AM
VAG products of late are far less imaginative and are a LOT more derivative. They are supposed to look similar. Do they look as similar as he implies? No.
I am not saying it looks bad, but it is terribly derivative and you know it. It looks great, but I'd bet that the common man wouldn't be able to really tell the difference between the two on the road if not seen side-by-side with nameplates visible unless perhaps they saw the rear ends which are actually different.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 06, 2011, 10:39:46 AM
I am not saying it looks bad, but it is terribly derivative and you know it. It looks great, but I'd bet that the common man wouldn't be able to really tell the difference between the two on the road if not seen side-by-side with nameplates visible unless perhaps they saw the rear ends which are actually different.
I still don't think so.....the Regal has a slinky appearance.....this car is Cruze based and will look a LOT taller in person.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 06, 2011, 10:42:39 AM
I still don't think so.....the Regal has a slinky appearance.....this car is Cruze based and will look a LOT taller in person.
When you study the two, sure, they're different. At first glance and speeding by on the road? Come on. It'll look just like the regal, but smaller.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 06, 2011, 10:44:08 AM
When you study the two, sure, they're different. At first glance and speeding by on the road? Come on. It'll look just like the regal, but smaller.
No.
Whatever man :cry:
So if I understand this correctly Verano is to Regal as Insignia is to Astra?
Quote from: Galaxy on January 06, 2011, 10:48:59 AM
So if I understand this correctly Verano is to Regal as Insignia is to Astra?
Yes.
Verano is nothing more than an Astra with a trunk and some upscale materials and color choices. Even the dashboard design is the same.
(http://rumors.automobilemag.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/9/files/2010-opel-astra-interior-revealed/19222002.jpeg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/01/15-2012-buick-verano.jpg)
Wish we could get the 5-door and 5/6-speed, would make a lovely S40 or Mazda 3 alternative.
The interior looks fantastic and I'm glad GM didn't dump that 1.4 in there. I'll reserve final judgement when I see the prices of it but seeing as the Cruze can already hit 27k, I hope this thing isn't too over-priced.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 06, 2011, 10:39:46 AM
I am not saying it looks bad, but it is terribly derivative and you know it. It looks great, but I'd bet that the common man wouldn't be able to really tell the difference between the two on the road if not seen side-by-side with nameplates visible unless perhaps they saw the rear ends which are actually different.
Perhaps they're trying to create a brand design language? Similar to Audi, VW, MB, BMW, Volvo...
THIS:
(http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/buick/74le/bilder/2.jpg)
IS A BUICK. PERIOD. :praise:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 06, 2011, 12:30:18 PM
THIS:
(http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/buick/74le/bilder/2.jpg)
IS A BUICK. PERIOD. :praise:
Jeez, WILL YOU SHUT. UP. SHUTUP. PLEASE.
Quote from: Xer0 on January 06, 2011, 11:50:19 AM
The interior looks fantastic and I'm glad GM didn't dump that 1.4 in there. I'll reserve final judgement when I see the prices of it but seeing as the Cruze can already hit 27k, I hope this thing isn't too over-priced.
I think the 1.6T would be awesome, that's the engine the Chinese market Excelle (same car as Verano) gets.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 06, 2011, 12:30:18 PM
THIS:
(http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/buick/74le/bilder/2.jpg)
IS A BUICK. PERIOD. :praise:
For once, I wholeheartedly agree.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 06, 2011, 10:39:46 AM
I am not saying it looks bad, but it is terribly derivative and you know it. It looks great, but I'd bet that the common man wouldn't be able to really tell the difference between the two on the road if not seen side-by-side with nameplates visible unless perhaps they saw the rear ends which are actually different.
Says the kid who drives an A4. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Tave on January 06, 2011, 02:11:01 PM
Says the kid who drives an A4. :rolleyes:
Zing! Too true. Telling two models of Audis apart practically requires a jeweler's loupe.
Quote from: Laconian on January 06, 2011, 02:28:58 PM
Zing! Too true. Telling two models of Audis apart practically requires a jeweler's loupe.
VAG in general is like this now.
Does Buick need a new Coup??
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TKdyXvwYmUI/AAAAAAADYrg/h-abKwKgckQ/s800/Oepl-GTC-Paris-Concept-01.jpg)
:praise:
Quote from: Laconian on January 06, 2011, 02:28:58 PM
Zing! Too true. Telling two models of Audis apart practically requires a jeweler's loupe.
:lol:
Quote from: Galaxy on January 06, 2011, 02:39:26 PM
Does Buick need a new Coup??
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TKdyXvwYmUI/AAAAAAADYrg/h-abKwKgckQ/s800/Oepl-GTC-Paris-Concept-01.jpg)
:praise:
I think a decked Astra as a Buick would work well.
Quote from: Tave on January 06, 2011, 02:11:01 PM
Says the kid who drives an A4. :rolleyes:
Did I ever say it was a bad thing or that I think the vehicle is not good-looking?
No.
:huh:
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 06, 2011, 05:07:22 PM
Did I ever say it was a bad thing or that I think the vehicle is not good-looking?
No.
:huh:
You were pretty sarcastic ("how creative") and sounded a little disappointed ("terribly derivative").
In any event, it was just a joke dude. :huh:
Quote from: 2o6 on January 06, 2011, 12:56:40 PM
Jeez, WILL YOU SHUT. UP. SHUTUP. PLEASE.
What? You don't like the gorgeous '74 Buick Lesabre but dig the 2011 Kia Picanto!? :nutty:
Quote from: Laconian on January 06, 2011, 02:28:58 PM
Zing! Too true. Telling two models of Audis apart practically requires a jeweler's loupe.
:lol:
All Audis now feature a saggy butt and overly complicated headlights. Coming down the road it takes a while to distinguish what Audi it really is.
Quote from: thecarnut on January 07, 2011, 12:08:34 PM
:lol:
All Audis now feature a saggy butt and overly complicated awesome headlights. Coming down the road it takes a while to distinguish what Audi it really is.
:mrcool:
Quote from: CJ on January 06, 2011, 12:15:40 AM
This car does not deserve an exclamation point.
Agreed.
I like the interior, minus the tacky fake wood. I was hoping for an Astra with a Buick grille, much like how the Regal is a straight rebadge if the Insignia. Instead we get a rebodied Chevrolet Cruze that was obviosly designed for the Chinese market. Yes, I know the Astra and the Cruise share a similar platform, but I sure the Buick version has been considerably softened to suit typical Chinese and American tastes.
The Verano just reminds me a bit too much of this....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Buick_Skyhawk_4-door_white.jpg/800px-Buick_Skyhawk_4-door_white.jpg)
Yeah, except attractive and with a nice interior.
Quote from: Madman on January 07, 2011, 07:31:49 PM
Agreed.
I like the interior, minus the tacky fake wood. I was hoping for an Astra with a Buick grille, much like how the Regal is a straight rebadge if the Insignia. Instead we get a rebodied Chevrolet Cruze that was obviosly designed for the Chinese market. Yes, I know the Astra and the Cruise share a similar platform, but I sure the Buick version has been considerably softened to suit typical Chinese and American tastes.
The Verano just reminds me a bit too much of this....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Buick_Skyhawk_4-door_white.jpg/800px-Buick_Skyhawk_4-door_white.jpg)
The Buick version IS an Astra with a trunk and a Buick face. This car is sold in China as the Excelle GT. If demand is strong enough, I think they may bring over the Excelle XT, which is an Astra 5-door with a Buick badge and a nicer interior.
And isn't this car SUPPOSED to be soft? It's a Buick.....
Seems to me like Buick is trying to change it up a bit. The Regal is much firmer than almost anything they've ever made before. The new Lacrosse is firmer than the one it replaces. I think GM is realizing that they can't really keep making the same cars they used to.
That's because they are NOT the same cars they used to be. They're OPEL for god sake ;)
sweet interior. the exterior looks off, but not bad for a baby buick. still, it could be better on the outside.
Quote from: AltinD on January 08, 2011, 11:38:26 AM
That's because they are NOT the same cars they used to be. They're OPEL for god sake ;)
See my thread in Mainstreamers about ditching the domestic disguise altogether.
the red coupe shown above a ways looks dynamite!
Wait, I've just noticed something. 2.4 litre engine and only 177 horsepower? :wtf:
Quote from: Madman on January 10, 2011, 06:43:06 PM
Wait, I've just noticed something. 2.4 litre engine and only 177 horsepower? :wtf:
GM uses that engine in many models with similar horsepower, including the Malibu and Equinox. It's also in line with most midsize sedans and compact SUVs -- in a compact car.
Quote from: Madman on January 10, 2011, 06:43:06 PM
Wait, I've just noticed something. 2.4 litre engine and only 177 horsepower? :wtf:
"Only" 177 hp? It's plenty comparable to Ford/Mazda's 170 hp 2.5L, or Toyota's 169 hp 2.5L (or their 162 hp 2.4L), or Honda's 177 hp 2.4L.
EX models for Accord produce 190 hp. The Kizashi's motor produces 185 hp.
Toyota: 169 hp (2.5)
Honda: 190 hp
Hyundai/Kia: 200 hp
VW: 170 hp (2.5)
Ford/Mazda: 170 hp (2.5)
Suzuki: 185 hp (180 w/CVT)
Mitsu/Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep: 173 hp
Nissan: 175 hp (2.5)
Subaru: 170 hp (2.5)
The engine is class competitive, but for whatever reason, the Koreans have some really inflated numbers with their 4 cylinders.
2.4 = 200 HP
2.0 Turbo = 274 HP
Insanity.
The Koreans are the first to market with DI in their low end engines.
Quote from: Laconian on January 11, 2011, 12:49:48 PM
The Koreans are the first to market with DI in their low end engines.
The GM 2.4 is direct injected.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 11, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
The GM 2.4 is direct injected.
And it still isn't that great.
Huh?
The 2.4DI in the Sonata makes 200HP. This is only a few HP fewer, and this is an older designed motor.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 11, 2011, 02:22:00 PM
Huh?
The 2.4DI in the Sonata makes 200HP. This is only a few HP fewer, and this is an older designed motor.
It's not very refined and it has 23 less HP from the same displacement with DI.
Refinement is the weak point of the Hyundai 2.4, not the latest iterations of the GM engine.
Quote from: ifcar on January 11, 2011, 03:37:42 PM
Refinement is the weak point of the Hyundai 2.4, not the latest iterations of the GM engine.
I thought the exact opposite. Yes, the Hyundai 2.4 is a bit loud on the outside, but you can't really hear it on the inside or feel it.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 11, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
The GM 2.4 is direct injected.
Depends on the iteration. The one in the latest Buicks and the '10+ Terrain and Equinox is DI. The one used in the Malibu, HHR, Skystice, etc is not DI (and still makes 169-175 hp depending on application).
Autoblog's drive of the Verano Turbo. They like it.
QuoteThe compact entry-level luxury sedan segment appears to have a new leader ? and, for the first time ever, it's wearing a Buick badge.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/16/2013-buick-verano-turbo-first-drive-review-video/#continued
Quote from: Laconian on January 05, 2011, 11:53:24 PM
The interior is remarkably nice for an econo-car derivative. I want to see it for myself at the next car show.
I think it looks for distinctive enough from its Chevy brethren that it's in a separate category and she even gain a wagon version if the Cruze does not.