I have a little bit of rust on my CD Silver '00 Focus, most notably in the usual places. Just a little on the rockers and on the bottom of the doors.
I want to get it painted up before the winter, because I like this car and I want it to last long and look nice.
How much would this (roughly) cost? Anyone in the OH area know anyone good?
I posted this on the Focus forum, and those guys basically told me to replace all the parts on the whole car. :rolleyes:
Or you can move somewhere warmer :lol:
Use that pink spray crap.
The general rule with rust is that there is 2-3 times as much that you can't see than what you can see, and it's never cost-efficient to fix unless you can do it yourself. Also, my experience with cheap paint jobs (still at least $500) is that they suck balls and aren't worth it unless the car is in dire, dire need of paint.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 09, 2011, 05:57:07 PM
I have a little bit of rust on my CD Silver '00 Focus, most notably in the usual places. Just a little on the rockers and on the bottom of the doors.
I want to get it painted up before the winter, because I like this car and I want it to last long and look nice.
How much would this (roughly) cost? Anyone in the OH area know anyone good?
I posted this on the Focus forum, and those guys basically told me to replace all the parts on the whole car. :rolleyes:
Best thing to do here is to apply POR directly over the existing rust ( do NOT try to scrape it away), and then cover with the proper color rattle-can touch up paint.
No, it won't look great, but it will slow the spread of the rust, and reduce how noticeable it is.
If you start getting into professional looking paint jobs, you'll quickly spend a lot of money or a lot of time.
For the doors, if it gets bad enough, your best bet might be to find a new set of doors in a junkyard.
That is going to look worse than doing nothing.
Here is the rust:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/642290343_2296419925_0.jpg)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/GEDC0125-1.jpg)
Quote from: 2o6 on July 09, 2011, 07:38:50 PM
That is going to look worse than doing nothing.
Here is the rust:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/642290343_2296419925_0.jpg)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/GEDC0125-1.jpg)
You keep the touch ups small, and it keeps the rust small. What you want to do is slow it down.
I'm not rattlecanning this car.
Fact: In order to both fix the rust and make it look good, you will either spend a lot of time (learning + doing + doing over = a LOT), or spend thousands of dollars, or both. If you can replace the doors (all of them = $$$), then you'll probably save some aggravation, but the rockers will require cutting, fabrication, welding, painting, and not easy fabrication and welding, either. The best way to really truly fix rust on a car is to buy a new car. Or you could do what Soup said, or you could forget about it.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 09, 2011, 07:40:51 PM
I'm not rattlecanning this car.
Then you are spending thousands of dollars.
Quote from: Rupert on July 09, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Then you are spending thousands of dollars.
Or none at all.
Strip all the paint to let the rest of the car rust; rat rods are "in"! :lol:
Spray your car with Line X or Rhino Lining.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 09, 2011, 07:40:51 PM
I'm not rattlecanning this car.
I did a minor paint repair on my first car using Martin Senour paints from NAPA and it came out really nice. It was never noticed by anybody other than myself.
Quote from: R-inge on July 10, 2011, 03:28:37 PM
I did a minor paint repair on my first car using Martin Senour paints from NAPA and it came out really nice. It was never noticed by anybody other than myself.
The Neon was in terrible shape.
This is in much better shape. Anyways I found a guy that can do it on the cheap.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 10, 2011, 09:39:34 PM
Anyways I found a guy that can do it on the cheap.
sigh... then why ask for advice?
My Focus has rust too.
Live and let die I say.
Quote from: 850CSi on July 10, 2011, 10:40:37 PM
sigh... then why ask for advice?
Because I asked you guys and the Focus forum at the same time, and a guy at the Focus forum said he'd do it for a reasonable price.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 10, 2011, 10:44:09 PM
Because I asked you guys and the Focus forum at the same time, and a guy at the Focus forum said he'd do it for a reasonable price.
Nope nope nope. I don't know what he proposes to do, but a real fix
will involve a lot of money, because it
will take a lot of time
and skill. A reasonable price for this job is thousands of dollars. Band-aid "fixes" just make the next person to own the car hate you when they discover all that rust under the crappy bondo and paint. It's one thing to POR15 it and then paint it (anyone who looks will know what's up), but it's another to do a crappy (i.e. cheap, i.e what you are planning on) job and try to make it look good (i.e. hiding the damage, which is idiotic at best and dishonest at worse).
BTW, what's his "reasonable" price?
I just want it to look nice(er), guys.
:facepalm:
Quote from: Rupert on July 10, 2011, 11:04:14 PM
Nope nope nope. I don't know what he proposes to do, but a real fix will involve a lot of money, because it will take a lot of time and skill. A reasonable price for this job is thousands of dollars. Band-aid "fixes" just make the next person to own the car hate you when they discover all that rust under the crappy bondo and paint. It's one thing to POR15 it and then paint it (anyone who looks will know what's up), but it's another to do a crappy (i.e. cheap, i.e what you are planning on) job and try to make it look good (i.e. hiding the damage, which is idiotic at best and dishonest at worse).
BTW, what's his "reasonable" price?
I still have to go down and see what he'd do and how much he would charge.
I just want it to look nicer.
You bought a cheap car in Ohio. Spend zero dollars on how it looks. You're already beyond your dollar threshold for fixing any rust problems with a solution that will actually look better than the rust. Save your money for gas and maintenance. There's no point in doing what you're doing.
Or just do what you always do, i.e. ask for advice, ignore everyone and do what you were doing already.
I might POR-15 it then take it to the guy who said he'll fix it up.
Just keep driving the damn thing. Save your money for a better ride. As long as it's not a Flintstone car that you can see the pavement through the floor. :lol:
Do the timing belt.
Quote from: shp4man on July 11, 2011, 01:57:43 PM
Just keep driving the damn thing. Save your money for a better ride. As long as it's not a Flintstone car that you can see the pavement through the floor. :lol:
It really depends. I don't want it to be like the Neon; after a week of winter the car looks atrocious.
It's a Focus, not anything rare or even interesting. Good car; not worth it to bother with shit like a bit of rust.
It needs a timing belt?!
FUCK THE RUST; DO THE TIMING BELT!
BTW, order of operations for making a car perfect are brakes, engine/trans, suspension/steering, weatherproofing, electronics, interior, and finally, the last thing of all, exterior. If you have a timing belt that needs changing, a non-op A/C, etc., those take priority over silly things like spending $Texas on fixing unimportant rust.
Quote from: Rupert on July 11, 2011, 10:43:23 PM
BTW, order of operations for making a car perfect are brakes, engine/trans, suspension/steering, weatherproofing, electronics, interior, and finally, the last thing of all, exterior. If you have a timing belt that needs changing, a non-op A/C, etc., those take priority over silly things like spending $Texas on fixing unimportant rust.
Pretty scary how a ricer's order of operations for fixing a car is
exactly the opposite. :lol:
:lol:
Quote from: Rupert on July 11, 2011, 10:43:23 PM
BTW, order of operations for making a car perfect are brakes, engine/trans, suspension/steering, weatherproofing, electronics, interior, and finally, the last thing of all, exterior. If you have a timing belt that needs changing, a non-op A/C, etc., those take priority over silly things like spending $Texas on fixing unimportant rust.
Timing belt is fine.
Tires are coming soon, and I may buy some SVT Contour wheels to go with it (they're cheap, and since my dad works for Firestone, tires are a lot cheaper)
I do not care about A/C. I've never used it in any car.
Rust seems to be a preventive measure because not only do I want it to look better, I don't want it to be in so bad a shape it's horrible next year.
Quote from: Rupert on July 11, 2011, 10:39:57 PM
It needs a timing belt?!
FUCK THE RUST; DO THE TIMING BELT!
CJ really needs to shut up, since the whole timing belt assembly is fine.
It's gotten to the point where I want to drive down to Plano, TX and beat him up.
No one says any thing to him for buying European exterior accessories for his numerous Volvos.
Define, "fine," for me.
Remove/reduce the rust as much as you can and buy a bottle of touch-up paint from AutoZone or some shit. It isn't that hard.
Quote from: Rupert on July 12, 2011, 06:33:05 PM
Define, "fine," for me.
He has no idea if it's been changed or not.
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 13, 2011, 07:56:02 AM
Remove/reduce the rust as much as you can and buy a bottle of touch-up paint from AutoZone or some shit. It isn't that hard.
If I get to it, this is likely the route I will take.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 13, 2011, 01:22:51 PM
If I get to it, this is likely the route I will take.
It won't solve the problem completely, but it will conceal it for the most part for a while. For a $3 bottle of rust killer and a $5 bottle of touch-up..why not.
In other words, what Soup suggested on the first page. ;)
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 13, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
He has no idea if it's been changed or not.
Well, that makes sense.
Ah, wait, no,
2o6, change your damn timing belt!
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 13, 2011, 02:26:56 PM
It won't solve the problem completely, but it will conceal it for the most part for a while. For a $3 bottle of rust killer and a $5 bottle of touch-up..why not.
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. It's at the back of the line in terms of things need to be done.
My tires suck, and my parking brake is totally out. (I have tension in the handle, but since I got new rear shoes, It doesn't even drag on the brakes....)
Notice how he conveniently ignores all the timing belt posts...:lol:
I have 137k on the original timing belt. I'll let you know when it snaps.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 14, 2011, 12:42:58 AM
I have 137k on the original timing belt. I'll let you know when it snaps.
Yeah, this is one reason why I'm not seriously worried.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 14, 2011, 11:03:02 AM
Yeah, this is one reason why I'm not seriously worried.
Ya. It's not a valve bender. So it will break. Usually in the middle of the night. Raining. On a date. Then you'll only be out the tow bill. And maybe the impound fee. But hey, no biggie. :huh:
Which engine does it have? The DOHC or the SPI?
DOHC. SPI's like dropping valve seats. And they're markedly slower.
Bumping this thread because I think I may order some POR 15 with my next check.
It seems simple enough....just paint on then prime over? It's a little confusing as to which product I need.
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/amh.aspx
Quote from: 2o6 on September 02, 2011, 06:59:06 PM
Bumping this thread because I think I may order some POR 15 with my next check.
It seems simple enough....just paint on then prime over? It's a little confusing as to which product I need.
Brush on the POR right over the rust. Then mask off everything nearby you don't want to get painted (the smaller you make it the less noticeable it'll be). wait for the POR to dry thoroughly, and spray the rust with the right touch up.
You want to just kind of dust the paint onto it, don't try to cover it completely the first time, just a light dusting, wait 15 minutes, then another light dusting: repeat until coverage is complete.
If it ends up being too rough, use some extra fine steel wool to smooth it down.
Where do I find enough touch up?
Motorcraft sells CD silver, but only in half-ounce little spray thingies.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 02, 2011, 07:12:59 PM
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/amh.aspx
I can't paint over that, can I?
Quote from: 2o6 on September 02, 2011, 07:27:07 PM
I can't paint over that, can I?
No, you didn't even read it. It's a temporary coating. Apply it before winter every year.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 02, 2011, 07:26:06 PM
Where do I find enough touch up?
Motorcraft sells CD silver, but only in half-ounce little spray thingies.
Try Dupli-color.
Starting to count the costs....
- My brother has some phosphoric acid he said I could have
- Do I still need to pick up some POR-15 or similar? Or can I get away with just priming it over then painting it?
- Local bodyshop will make a color match to my car in a spray can for ~$20.....
I did the phosphoric acid treatment and sprayed and viola! I'm pretty pleased with the results! No one knows except me. It's a little shimmery, but it hasn't totally dried (I did it literally 45 minutes ago) but I'm pleased with the outcome! Obviously, the damage has been done by the rust, but I think it's a nice cover-up.
Before:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/642290343_2296419925_0.jpg)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/GEDC0125-1.jpg)
After:
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/GEDC0275.jpg)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/GEDC0274.jpg)
WTF is this shit?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2011, 12:10:09 PM
WTF is this shit?
I was trying to figure out a way to make my car look a little nicer.
$30 later, and about 45 minutes worth of work, I have something I'm pleased with.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 05, 2011, 12:12:07 PM
I was trying to figure out a way to make my car look a little nicer.
$30 later, and about 45 minutes worth of work, I have something I'm pleased with.
This explains nothing. Did you take a bucket of phosphoric acid and dumb it on your paint job, or what?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2011, 12:15:11 PM
This explains nothing. Did you take a bucket of phosphoric acid and dumb it on your paint job, or what?
Oh.
Used phosphoric acid on the open rust patches on the car. Let it dry overnight, then painted up the necessary patches.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 05, 2011, 12:19:33 PM
Oh.
Used phosphoric acid on the open rust patches on the car. Let it dry overnight, then painted up the necessary patches.
Oh, so you painted over it. So the phosphoric acid doesn't magically match the color of your paint. Now I am disapoint. Still, what exactly did the phosphoric acid do?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2011, 12:50:55 PM
Oh, so you painted over it. So the phosphoric acid doesn't magically match the color of your paint. Now I am disapoint. Still, what exactly did the phosphoric acid do?
Turns the rust black and etches the metal.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 05, 2011, 12:55:26 PM
Turns the rust black and etches the metal.
Oh cool, I guess. Do you have to sand it and wash it off or do you just apply paint? Your post is extremely lacking in details. Don't be a teuton.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2011, 12:58:40 PM
Oh cool, I guess. Do you have to sand it and wash it off or do you just apply paint? Your post is extremely lacking in details. Don't be a teuton.
I've read that you're supposed to rinse it off, but the paint guy told me I didn't have to.
You could sand down the rust if you want it to be smooth, but the rust areas were so minimal, there was no point in doing so. I'd imagine, you'd rinse then prime, then paint for a nicer finish. But the spots I needed done are so small, that would doing all that would be tedious for something that really only I can see.
It can essentially do this, with a long enough soak and bad enough rust.
(http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23238&stc=1&d=1272049757)
Naval jelly is the same thing, but from what I gather it's a lot stronger, which is not always desirable. (you want it to eat the rust, too long and it starts eating the metal)
It's pretty cool; my brother is working on a G-body Grand Prix, and he told me about the stuff.
Cool. I might have to try that if I buy a rusty car. But I thought naval jelly was for cleaning out your belly button.