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For me, Voyager.

If you don't like Star Trek you are not human.

Voyager? Really? Of all the Star Trek shows you picked Voyager?

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TNG without a doubt.  I didn't like the characters, acting, or writing on Voyager, though the idea was great.  I didn't like the characters on Deep Space Nine, and Enterprise wasn't too bad.  Scott Bakula was the weak link on that show and the Captain should never be the weak link.

Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 17, 2012, 10:09:57 AM
For me, Voyager.

If you don't like Star Trek you are not human.

Quote from: 93JC on January 17, 2012, 10:13:59 AM
Voyager? Really? Of all the Star Trek shows you picked Voyager?

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I am with sporty on this.

There is something about stories of the heroics of underdogs which is appealing to me.  Visually, it was the best of the group and frankly, there is something remarkably sexy, yet completley believable about the captain.  It also made the most of the potential story lines.

And, while Deanna Troi was hot in the ugly-fat-popular girl kind of way, no one on any of the shows compares to 7of9.   :winkguy:

If Voyager wasn't so completely implausible it might have been good.

TNG, no contest.

Quote from: S204STi on January 17, 2012, 10:37:14 AM
If Voyager wasn't so completely implausible it might have been good.

How is it completely implausible?

Do you know for certain there are no space stations with long lifed entities whos technology is capable of dragging a starship most of the way across a galaxy with plasma energy?

I thought not.

Next time you should think before you speak, fool.

:lol:  

I was thinking more about the way the ship never degrades, never showed any signs of damage from its many conflicts, etc.  With TNG at least you could assume that after a clash with klingons that it could simply return to base for repairs.  But Voyager should have been a bit more dinged up by the end of the show, IMO.  I much prefer the style of BSG (no, I can't talk about Voyager without thinking of its much better alternative).

That is because they are bestest in Starfleet at repairing it.

:huh:

Let me answer the question this way.  Who would you rather bar hop with and later have by your side when baddies materialized out of nowhere and jumped you while you were staggering home?

Some baldheaded frog who would try to talk them to death or a man of action like Captain Kirk? 

Just remember, Picard was screwed in Generations, until Kirk came along and pulled his chestnuts out of the fire.

Quote from: MiataJohn on January 17, 2012, 11:05:41 AM
Let me answer the question this way.  Who would you rather bar hop with and later have by your side when baddies materialized out of nowhere and jumped you while you were staggering home?

Some baldheaded frog who would try to talk them to death or a man of action like Captain Kirk? 

Just remember, Picard was screwed in Generations, until Kirk came along and pulled his chestnuts out of the fire.

Picard knew how to delegate.  Clearly Kirk didn't have a crew he could count on. 

I liked Voyager the best even before 7of9, though she was definitely a welcomed bonus. I feel like the characters and stories on Voyager were more developed. For example I don't recall too much internal strife with the TNG crew. Also the range of conflicts they faced was pretty slim. IIRC they also kept the same stock of characters throughout. And of course the Ferengi :facepalm: W/Voyager things are much more up in the air, at least to me. Plus 7 of 9's body is ridiculous. I mean come on. COME ON!!!

If Janeway was there, she would have roundhouse-kicked Soran in the face while Seven of Nine assimilated him with her nanoprobes.

Quote from: Raza  link=topic=26509.msg1651463#msg1651463 date=1326823698
Picard knew how to delegate.  Clearly Kirk didn't have a crew he could count on. 

Pfffft.  He had to delegate; Picard was weak, he needed a strong crew to carry him.  Picard wasn't fit to carry Kirk's codpiece.    :lol:

Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 17, 2012, 11:09:15 AM
I liked Voyager the best even before 7of9, though she was definitely a welcomed bonus. I feel like the characters and stories on Voyager were more developed. For example I don't recall too much internal strife with the TNG crew. Also the range of conflicts they faced was pretty slim. IIRC they also kept the same stock of characters throughout. And of course the Ferengi :facepalm: W/Voyager things are much more up in the air, at least to me. Plus 7 of 9's body is ridiculous. I mean come on. COME ON!!!

Totally agreed. Voyager is the peak of the Star Trek series. Seven of Nine... just zomfg.
And B'elanna is prettt hot, even with that Klingon forehead. Kes is pretty smokin', in a kinda makes you feel like a pedophile but you don't care sort of way. And the Captain, I mean, yeah.

Quote from: MiataJohn on January 17, 2012, 11:21:35 AM
Pfffft.  He had to delegate; Picard was weak, he needed a strong crew to carry him.  Picard wasn't fit to carry Kirk's codpiece.    :lol:

Kirk was a micromanager.  The worst kind of manager.

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2012, 11:22:55 AM
Totally agreed. Voyager is the peak of the Star Trek series. Seven of Nine... just zomfg.
And B'elanna is prettt hot, even with that Klingon forehead. Kes is pretty smokin', in a kinda makes you feel like a pedophile but you don't care sort of way. And the Captain, I mean, yeah.

B'elanna is from the hood. I respect her gangster.

Quote from: Raza  link=topic=26509.msg1651477#msg1651477 date=1326824735
Kirk was a micromanager.  The worst kind of manager.

No, he always went to Scotty and said what he wanted, needed and Scotty delivered.  No detailed instructions, just "I need full power Now". and it happened.

He didn't tell Spock how to run his science station, he just asked for results and he got them.

I don't think he ever won an argument with Bones McCoy.

And while I'm at it let me point out that the TNG Enterprise looks silly.


Hey, wait a minute.  I'm arguing about which imaginary authority figure is best.  I might as well be arguing about religion.  Then again, perhaps I am.  

Voyager was awful. The characters were boring, the actors were wooden, the writing was junior high level and I'm going to snap if I ever watch one more of those dumb fucking deus ex machina technobabble endings!

Voyager is for people who never saw DS9 or were too dumb to appreciate DS9.

To be fair, I have not seen DS9, the original, or Enterprise.

Voyager was very hit and miss.  Some of the characters were a pain to watch (Kim, Tuvok, Neelix, Kess, Chakotea-or however you spell it, Paris) but some weren?t so bad (The captain, 7 of 9, the Doctor).  It?s main problem was the fact that nothing that happened in Voyager felt permanent.  The ship would be seemingly destroyed every other episode only to be Dues Ex Machina-ed back to normal by the end of it.  Or in the episodes that didn?t have a stupid time travel loop hole to fix everything, the next episode just showed a completely repaired ship anyway.  It never felt like they were alone and stranded in the Delta Quadrant and it was annoying.

Then you have the fact that Janeway, as fun as she was to watch, was an inconsistent captain at best.  She would flip flop between strictly adhering to Star Fleet protocol and Prime Directive crap and caring for her to crew to not giving a shit about any of it on a weekly basis. 

Voyager just was never able to impart the sense of loneliness and isolation that it needed to.  Further, it only had a handful of characters that weren?t boring.  And finally, it never felt like they were in any danger.  The show could have been amazing; unfortunately, it turned out pretty meh all around.

DS9 is my favorite. The characters had really complex chemistry, the plots were meaty and exciting (after they switched to the serial format), and it was great to see the actors develop their chops. Avery Brooks was belting out A+ performances toward the end of the show.

Enterprise was teh dumbs.

I'm slowly learning that as much of a nerd as I am, I pale in comparison to some of you guys.

Dr. Crusher could examine me any day.

1. STNG
2. DS9
3. Original
4. Voyager
5. Enterprise
6. Original Cartoon

Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 17, 2012, 11:44:36 AM
To be fair, I have not seen DS9, the original, or Enterprise.

DS9 took about a season to work things out. It actually took less time to get going then STNG did. And from season 3 on it was really good. I'd even say that it had some of the very best ST stories ever.
The original had a mix of very good and very, very bad shows. I can give you a list of "must see" ones and "stay the fuck away" ones too.
Enterprise had some problems. They did throw out some damn good stuff from time to time. But it never really got it's footing. I really didn't like the actor playing the Captain and feel he's one of the reasons the show had problems.

Quote from: 93JC on January 17, 2012, 11:38:26 AM
Voyager was awful. The characters were boring, the actors were wooden, the writing was junior high level and I'm going to snap if I ever watch one more of those dumb fucking deus ex machina technobabble endings!

Quote from: Xer0 on January 17, 2012, 11:58:35 AM
Voyager was very hit and miss.  Some of the characters were a pain to watch (Kim, Tuvok, Neelix, Kess, Chakotea-or however you spell it, Paris) but some weren?t so bad (The captain, 7 of 9, the Doctor).  It?s main problem was the fact that nothing that happened in Voyager felt permanent.  The ship would be seemingly destroyed every other episode only to be Dues Ex Machina-ed back to normal by the end of it.  Or in the episodes that didn?t have a stupid time travel loop hole to fix everything, the next episode just showed a completely repaired ship anyway.  It never felt like they were alone and stranded in the Delta Quadrant and it was annoying.

Then you have the fact that Janeway, as fun as she was to watch, was an inconsistent captain at best.  She would flip flop between strictly adhering to Star Fleet protocol and Prime Directive crap and caring for her to crew to not giving a shit about any of it on a weekly basis. 

Voyager just was never able to impart the sense of loneliness and isolation that it needed to.  Further, it only had a handful of characters that weren?t boring.  And finally, it never felt like they were in any danger.  The show could have been amazing; unfortunately, it turned out pretty meh all around.

Exactly. On Voyager one got the impression that the show was rebooted after each episode. TV has only one advantage over movies. TV has much more time to tell a story. Movies have better sets, better effects, better everything. So use your 1 advantage, and tell a good story. DS9 and BSG understood that.

Imo DS9 had the most consistent quality, I also love TNG, however the first 2 seasons are mostly appalling.

Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2012, 12:13:10 PM
Enterprise was teh dumbs.

I think the last season of Enterprise actually had some very good stories. If you have not seen them you need to see the Andorian/Romulan arch, Soong arch, plus the mirror universe episodes. 

My biggest beef was that the prequel aspect did not become apparent in the story telling. Activate armor was essentially the same as raise shields.

DS9!? FFFFFfFFFFfffFfUUuu..... :'(


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DS9 had a great cast. The Defiant. A war that lasted for years. It was a great fucking show.

Quote from: Galaxy on January 17, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
I think the last season of Enterprise actually had some very good stories. If you have not seen them you need to see the Andorian/Romulan arch, Soong arch, plus the mirror universe episodes.  

My biggest beef was that the prequel aspect did not become apparent in the story telling. Activate armor was essentially the same as raise shields.

I've seen all Star Treks ever made.

There were some good shows but it didn't really get past B-levels of sci-fi. It was about as good as the Stargate series, which are entertaining and mostly good, but inconsistent and occasionally really cheesy.

(They are fun and worth watching, though, don't get me wrong.)

Quote from: Onslaught on January 17, 2012, 04:52:18 PM
DS9 had a great cast. The Defiant. A war that lasted for years. It was a great fucking show.

Protagonists with cloaking devices = :rockon:

Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2012, 04:52:46 PM
I've seen all Star Treks ever made.

There were some good shows but it didn't really get past B-levels of sci-fi. It was about as good as the Stargate series, which are entertaining and mostly good, but inconsistent and occasionally really cheesy.

(They are fun and worth watching, though, don't get me wrong.)

I've seen all Trek too. The one Enterprise show that stands out to me as being "different" from most Treks was when The Enterprise was in bad shape. They had to stop the Zendi and Archer had to make a choice of taking over another ship and stealing their warp drive to save earth. Basically fucking the people on the alien ship who did nothing wrong. In the end he takes it from them to save earth. I thought that one was good and showed that even in the perfect future people will do "evil" things to save themselves.

Eh, I think http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight_(episode) explored that theme much more effectively. Subtlety was not Enterprise's strong suit.

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But yeah, I like it when I see chinks in the Federation armor. Humans are always depicted as so fucking perfect in that show. I know they're just as shitty as they are today. ;)

Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
Eh, I think http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight_(episode) explored that theme much more effectively. Subtlety was not Enterprise's strong suit.

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That one was on of the top 5 best ST shows ever. It's the best DS9 one too. Love it.

Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
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lol

"It's a FAAAAAAAKE!"

Quote from: 93JC on January 17, 2012, 05:22:40 PM
lol

"It's a FAAAAAAAKE!"

I can't help but mouth the words over and over when I see that GIF.

It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE

I can't believe I voted in a thread like this..

Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 17, 2012, 11:27:44 AM
B'elanna is from the hood. I respect her gangster.

B'elanna was played by the second oldest cast member as well.  ;)

Quote from: S204STi on January 17, 2012, 10:44:41 AM
I was thinking more about the way the ship never degrades, never showed any signs of damage from its many conflicts, etc.  With TNG at least you could assume that after a clash with klingons that it could simply return to base for repairs.  But Voyager should have been a bit more dinged up by the end of the show, IMO.  I much prefer the style of BSG (no, I can't talk about Voyager without thinking of its much better alternative).

It occurs to me, Year of Hell.

Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2012, 05:28:49 PM
I can't help but mouth the words over and over when I see that GIF.

It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE It's a FAKE

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Quote from: SVT666 on January 17, 2012, 04:28:37 PM
Dr. Crusher could examine me any day.

For realsies.  And Deanna Troi can do whatever her job was to me too. 

Quote from: Raza  link=topic=26509.msg1651910#msg1651910 date=1326854673
For realsies.  And Deanna Troi can do whatever her job was to me too.  

Her job was to be possessed by alien presences and wear stupid nonstandard uniforms.

Seriously, ever other member of the crew wore the same crappy unisex jumpsuit except her.

Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2012, 07:50:53 PM
Her job was to be possessed by alien presences and wear stupid nonstandard uniforms.

Seriously, ever other member of the crew wore the same crappy unisex jumpsuit except her.

Until she reached 30, and then she wore them always.  :lol:

1. STNG
2. DS9
3. Original
4. Enterprise
5. Voyager

TNG in fact is the best TV show of all time IMO. It is mastery. I can watch and enjoy DS9 and TOS. I can watch Enterprise but it's a bit painful and wouldn't go out of my way to do it. Voyager is essentially unwatchable, despite trying many many times via Netflix.

Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2012, 07:50:53 PM
Her job was to be possessed by alien presences and wear stupid nonstandard uniforms.

Seriously, ever other member of the crew wore the same crappy unisex jumpsuit except her.

(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4579/41783503.jpg)

HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm more intrigued by the fake African-aliens in the background.

Those aren't fake African aliens, they're members of the crew expressing their ethnic heritage, foo'!


As for Troi's job, you should watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9G5ciMqFNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSw9-T24L9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0RO0mul3CM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExsfMPNzA5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2h0NZIj_Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcGkjDZ-zog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQlMJaeVUc


At some point Frakes and Stewart describe Troi's job as "the feel-shitter". "You feel shit, right?" :lol:

Thanks! I'm going to watch this later.

"feel shitter", nice

Quote from: 93JC on January 18, 2012, 12:16:53 AM
Those aren't fake African aliens, they're members of the crew expressing their ethnic heritage, foo'!


As for Troi's job, you should watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9G5ciMqFNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSw9-T24L9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0RO0mul3CM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExsfMPNzA5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2h0NZIj_Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcGkjDZ-zog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQlMJaeVUc


At some point Frakes and Stewart describe Troi's job as "the feel-shitter". "You feel shit, right?" :lol:

I watched that about a month or so ago.  I enjoyed it.

I kind of liked Enterprise (voted for it) and the "early explorer" theme behind it. I always thought it would be cool to have a Star Trek series that took place before The Original Series. I know the series was hated and didn't enjoy that much support amongst Trekkies, but I liked most episodes for the most part. Jolene Blalocks tits were also great.  :ohyeah:


Up next in the order I like 'em...

2) Voyager - Nice theme of them being lost in the Delta Quadrant with no support from the Federation. The threat of the Borg was also cool. As much as I like Voyager, there were some pretty stupid and silly episodes (Threshold, Parallax, The Cloud etc.) which really dragged the series down a bit. Oh, and Kim and Neelix should have been offered to the Borg as a means of obtaining free passage through their space.  :lol:

3) Deep Space Nine - Great stories and storyline (for the most part) and great chemistry amongst the actors. Enjoyable to watch. I especially loved the relationship between Quark and Odo, Bashir and O'Brien. Major Kira was hot. Dax and Jake were my least favorite characters.

4) The Original Series

5) The Next Generation - Ugh, unlike many, I hate TNG. I really do. Early TNG was really crap. It got better after about season three IMO, but it still sucked. Patrick Stewart was the only good thing about it. On the other hand Riker, Troi and Wesley just made me want to torch a Toyota Camry everytime they appeared on screen, especially Troi and her shitty acting. Marinia Sirtis should have stuck to her past career as a pornstar where she only needs to say "Ah, ah, ah..."...

For all those who love parodies, this guy is a fucking genius. He's called GeneralGrin and he's a master of making TNG funny and enjoyable to watch! In this guys movies, Picard and the Enterprise crew go around space killing species, each other etc. And he does it all with TNG, Voyager, DS9 etc. clips! Amazing work.  :mrcool:

He always names his movies like this: TNG Recut 1 - Title of Episode, so part two would be TNG Recut 2, part three would be TNG Recut 3 and so forth. WATCH IT. Shit is hilarious!  :lol:

Here is Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSMhj-hqoPI




My favorite episodes from GeneralGrin!  :lol:

TNG Recut 14 Data's Prank http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNZkAwv3mog

TNG Recut 73 Captain's Hobbies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Bc22Xjf5s

TNG Recut 23 Captain's Carefreeness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mokXjSueQ

Jolene Blalock.  Man, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.  She was supposed to be the next huge thing like 10 years ago.

Quote from: Raza  on January 18, 2012, 09:12:59 AM
Jolene Blalock.  Man, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.  She was supposed to be the next huge thing like 10 years ago.

Well they are huge.  :lol:

(http://www.joblo.com/moviehotties/images/news/BlalockBoobGo.jpg)

I have often wondered why Picard would send Worf to protect this or that person when he had the ultimate body guard in Data. 

Like sending a boy to do a mans job.

Picard did not recognize talent when he saw it.

Janeway wins.

Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2012, 04:52:46 PM
I've seen all Star Treks ever made.

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Except the animated series. Does that even count?

Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 18, 2012, 07:41:24 AM

2) Voyager - Nice theme of them being lost in the Delta Quadrant with no support from the Federation.

Yes, but that did not show in the stories. The only one that comes to mind is one of the very early episodes where they mine that nebula (that turns out to be a life form)  for energy.

Quote from: Laconian on January 18, 2012, 02:58:13 PM
Except the animated series. Does that even count?

To be honest episodes from the animated series are the only ones I am missing as well. I saw two. So I will it does not count.  :lol:

Quote from: hounddog on January 18, 2012, 02:12:27 PM
I have often wondered why Picard would send Worf to protect this or that person when he had the ultimate body guard in Data. 

Like sending a boy to do a mans job.

Picard did not recognize talent when he saw it.

Janeway wins.

Janeway? Janeway?!!! She can sit at the same ready room table as Picard. That over emotional,technobabble spewing, time travel using (in ever show) bitch isn't half the leader Picard is. Or even Sisko.

And Picard sends Worf because that's his JOB.

Quote from: Onslaught on January 18, 2012, 03:17:04 PM
Janeway? Janeway?!!! She can sit at the same ready room table as Picard. That over emotional,technobabble spewing, time travel using (in ever show) bitch isn't half the leader Picard is. Or even Sisko.

And Picard sends Worf because that's his JOB.

Yes, Janeway. She wins everything.

Janeway is number 3 at best. And I'd probablykick her to number 4 and take Kirk over her even if I HATE William Shatner.

Let's just all make up and agree that Scott Bakula was a crappy captain.

Better than Kate Mulgrew.

Or the cartoon captain

Quote from: Galaxy on January 18, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
Yes, but that did not show in the stories. The only one that comes to mind is one of the very early episodes where they mine that nebula (that turns out to be a life form)  for energy.

I think my biggest problem was the fact that they never ran out of...

1) Shuttles

2) Photon torpedoes


Even some fans commented on this. And I agree that there was a lot of "magic reset button" for Voyager. Overall, with the exception of a few episodes, I liked Voyager mostly because of the good CGI effects, interesting aliens and the fact that the Delta Quadrant was unexplored and potentially hostile territory.

Quote from: Onslaught on January 18, 2012, 03:17:04 PM


And Picard sends Worf because that's his JOB.

Which is why he loses.  He put his second best into the starting spot.

You never put your second best in the starting role, unless, you cannot judge talent. 

If that is the case, Janeway wins.  Simple personnel management.  :huh:

ST NG #1 for me.

2. DS9.

Voyager dead fucking last.

I hated the cook, and Janeway got lost chasing a bunch of bandits! Then she blasts the only thing that could have sent her back to her home quadrant ( the Kazon probe )!  WEAK! 

The show was in need of an audience, so they thought " Hey! Let's add some awesome boobs! "  ( Best move for the show btw  :ohyeah: )



  :evildude:

Quote from: Northlands on January 18, 2012, 09:00:17 PM

The show was in need of an audience, so they thought " Hey! Let's add some awesome boobs! "  ( Best move for the show btw  :ohyeah: )



  :evildude:

She was hot. But to tell you the truth Jeri Ryan nailed the 7 of 9 role. Not only did she look great but she did a really good job playing a Borg who had to work her way back into being an individual. I think she saved the show and not on looks alone.

Quote from: Onslaught on January 18, 2012, 09:10:03 PM
She was hot. But to tell you the truth Jeri Ryan nailed the 7 of 9 role. Not only did she look great but she did a really good job playing a Borg who had to work her way back into being an individual. I think she saved the show and not on looks alone.

I agree with you on that.  She was the best actor on the show with the most interesting character.  She still would have saved the show without the bodysuit.

Quote from: hounddog on January 18, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Which is why he loses.  He put his second best into the starting spot.

You never put your second best in the starting role, unless, you cannot judge talent.  

If that is the case, Janeway wins.  Simple personnel management.  :huh:

Yeah, but Data is only one android.  He was the best pilot, the best engineer, the best security officer, etc.  Picard used him in a position where he could get the most use out of him.  Using him as security would be like making Einstein serve burgers because he makes a mean patty.  You would have been absolutely fucking lousy as a Captain. :lol:

Quote from: SVT666 on January 18, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Yeah, but Data is only one android.  He was the best pilot, the best engineer, the best security officer, etc.  Picard used him in a position where he could get the most use out of him.  Using him as security would be like making Einstein serve burgers because he makes a mean patty.  You would have been absolutely fucking lousy as a Captain. :lol:

He was also 3rd in Command. You don't make someone like that stand around on guard duty. He also had no "gut" feelings that could hurt him in a situation that called for trusting your gut. And if Worf isn't enough of a bad ass to protect you then you're already dead.

Worf also helped the Enterprise with its affirmative action personnel quotas.


Hey, I threw the conservatives a bone!

Let's talk about more serious things.

Who else wanted to throw Wesley and Counselor Troi out an airlock?  :praise:

Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 19, 2012, 05:07:12 AM
Let's talk about more serious things.

Who else wanted to throw Wesley and Counselor Troi out an airlock?  :praise:

Wesley was the main reason I could never watch TNG (well that and the Frog Captain) even after Wesley was history I couldn't stand it.

Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 19, 2012, 05:07:12 AM
Let's talk about more serious things.

Who else wanted to throw Wesley and Counselor Troi out an airlock?  :praise:

I HATED them.  I could never see a reason for them on the show.

The way Deanna speaks always irritated me, but Wesley was downright terrible.  I love that he can laugh at himself though.  Whenever he guest stars on The Big Bang Theory, Sheldon always refers to him as the "Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek" or some other insult about his acting skills or his irritating character.

Yeah, Counselor Troi was just awful in every season, but her worst and most annoying performances came in the first two seasons.

And Wesley was like the Wunderkind of Star Trek. Ahhhhhh....  :lol:


Wil Wheaton is awesome on The Big Bang Theory though.  :lol:

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:mask:

Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 18, 2012, 07:07:18 PM

I think my biggest problem was the fact that they never ran out of...

1) Shuttles

2) Photon torpedoes


Even some fans commented on this. And I agree that there was a lot of "magic reset button" for Voyager. Overall, with the exception of a few episodes, I liked Voyager mostly because of the good CGI effects, interesting aliens and the fact that the Delta Quadrant was unexplored and potentially hostile territory.

Lol me and wifey always joke about the shuttles. I think we will start keeping count. I think every shuttle they sound out in an episode gets destroyed

Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 19, 2012, 12:55:06 PM
Lol me and wifey always joke about the shuttles. I think we will start keeping count. I think every shuttle they sound out in an episode gets destroyed

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-voy.htm

Quote from: Galaxy on January 19, 2012, 01:04:38 PM
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-voy.htm

Well it looks like I know what I will be doing this afternoon

Quote from: SVT666 on January 18, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Yeah, but Data is only one android.  He was the best pilot, the best engineer, the best security officer, etc.  Picard used him in a position where he could get the most use out of him.  Using him as security would be like making Einstein serve burgers because he makes a mean patty.

Yes, but, there is no one stronger or tougher in the known universe, which makes him the #1 security chief candidate in all of the known universe.  His strength and combat prowess was known to all Klingons, and even the Borg were little more than ragdolls against him yet they threw Worf around as if he were a she-doll.

QuoteYou would have been absolutely fucking lousy as a Captain. :lol:

Except I would have gone around plucking an entire crew from the hottest Starfleet had to offer, making my ship the rockin'est most awesomest place in the Federation.  And you would not have been welcome.

Quote from: hounddog on January 19, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
Yes, but, there is no one stronger or tougher in the known universe, which makes him the #1 security chief candidate in all of the known universe.  His strength and combat prowess was known to all Klingons, and even the Borg were little more than ragdolls against him yet they threw Worf around as if he were a she-doll.

1. A changeling could bitch slap Data. His brother Lore is as strong. Q can turn him into a slug. So Data is not the most bad ass thing in the known Trek Universe.
2. Work killed the shit out of Borg in First Contact.

And if Janeway was so good she'd made 7 of 9 in charge of everything seeing that she's better then anyone on Voyager.

Guys, has history taught you nothing?  You can't put a robot in charge of shit otherwise everything goes all I, Robot.

Quote from: Onslaught on January 19, 2012, 02:38:29 PM
1. A changeling could bitch slap Data. His brother Lore is as strong. Q can turn him into a slug. So Data is not the most bad ass thing in the known Trek Universe.

There is zero evidence to support a changeling is physically stronger than Data.  They are made of goo while Data is made of ultra high strength composite alloys.

Quote2. Work killed the shit out of Borg in First Contact.

The Borg do keep their "collective" noses to the grindstone, I will give you that, but I never saw any of them falling over from all their hard work.  :huh:

QuoteAnd if Janeway was so good she'd made 7 of 9 in charge of everything seeing that she's better then anyone on Voyager.

7of9 is Borg, being in charge is irrelevant.  

She was in charge of finding them a way home, a 24of7 job.  :lol:

Quote from: Raza  on January 19, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
Guys, has history taught you nothing?  You can't put a robot in charge of shit otherwise everything goes all I, Robot.

Just like HAL2000.

I never said they should be in charge, just in charge of being being bad ass.

Quote from: hounddog on January 19, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
Yes, but, there is no one stronger or tougher in the known universe, which makes him the #1 security chief candidate in all of the known universe.  His strength and combat prowess was known to all Klingons, and even the Borg were little more than ragdolls against him yet they threw Worf around as if he were a she-doll.

He's also the smartest and when he's not on the bridge, where the hell would Picard get any of his ...ahem...data from?

Quote
Except I would have gone around plucking an entire crew from the hottest Starfleet had to offer, making my ship the rockin'est most awesomest place in the Federation.  And you would not have been welcome.

That's not cool.  You would have been welcome on my ship.  I would have even made you an officer and in charge of something important...like security.

Quote from: hounddog on January 19, 2012, 02:47:32 PM

The Borg do keep their "collective" noses to the grindstone, I will give you that, but I never saw any of them falling over from all their hard work.  :huh:

That should've been Worf not work. I think this damn thing changed that and I didn't see.

:lol:

Quote from: hounddog on January 19, 2012, 02:49:30 PM
Just like HAL2000.

I never said they should be in charge, just in charge of being being bad ass.

But he's not a bad ass. Worf WANT'S to kill you all the time. Data just sits around looking at the world with the eyes of a child. That Romulan spy on the Episode "Data's day" got off the Enterprise and back to her people because Data hasn't got the goods to do a job like security.

Quote from: SVT666 on January 19, 2012, 02:54:55 PM
He's also the smartest and when he's not on the bridge, where the hell would Picard get any of his ...ahem...data from?
That's not cool.  You would have been welcome on my ship.  I would have even made you an officer and in charge of something important...like security.

Janeway would have been my #2, of course she would have been dressed as an Andorian slave girl.....

I guess you would be welcome, with the provisio, you can only do junior officers and enlisted.  Senior officers would be all mine.  :winkguy:

Oh, and the replicators would be programmed with all 3000 beers of this world, and any others we ran across.  Oh, and it would be able to make a perfect margarita, a scotch on the rocks neat, and a perfectly seared medium rare large T-bone.  :lol: 

Quote from: Onslaught on January 19, 2012, 02:59:14 PM
But he's not a bad ass. Worf WANT'S to kill you all the time. Data just sits around looking at the world with the eyes of a child. That Romulan spy on the Episode "Data's day" got off the Enterprise and back to her people because Data hasn't got the goods to do a job like security.

In fairness to Data, she fooled ALL of Starfleet Security, including Worf.  :huh:

Besides, all he would need would be an algorythm to mimic Shafts badassery and that would be that.  

Whos the baddest mutha in this here galaxy?  Daaaa-tah!

He could have been introduced like this in every episode;

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Quote from: hounddog on January 19, 2012, 03:00:48 PM
Janeway would have been my #2, of course she would have been dressed as an Andorian slave girl.....

I guess you would be welcome, with the provisio, you can only do junior officers and enlisted.  Senior officers would be all mine.  :winkguy:

Oh, and the replicators would be programmed with all 3000 beers of this world, and any others we ran across.  Oh, and it would be able to make a perfect margarita, a scotch on the rocks neat, and a perfectly seared medium rare large T-bone.  :lol: 

Don't forget a self cleaning Holodeck.

Quote from: hounddog on January 19, 2012, 03:00:48 PM
Janeway would have been my #2, of course she would have been dressed as an Andorian slave girl.....

I guess you would be welcome, with the provisio, you can only do junior officers and enlisted.  Senior officers would be all mine.  :winkguy:

Oh, and the replicators would be programmed with all 3000 beers of this world, and any others we ran across.  Oh, and it would be able to make a perfect margarita, a scotch on the rocks neat, and a perfectly seared medium rare large T-bone.  :lol: 

Awesome.  Junior officers are younger and usually hotter.

Quote from: Onslaught on January 19, 2012, 03:03:13 PM
Don't forget a self cleaning Holodeck.

Damn those holodeck pornos.

Data is dead.

But, he was alive until he died.

Quote from: hounddog on January 19, 2012, 03:09:18 PM
But, he was alive until he died.

Yea, most things are.

Quote from: SVT666 on January 19, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
Damn those holodeck pornos.

"Computer, end program." (holomatrix dissolves, leaving traces of bodily fluids which fall to the ground.) Ewww!

Quote from: hounddog on January 19, 2012, 02:49:30 PM
Just like HAL2000.

I never said they should be in charge, just in charge of being being bad ass.

Yeah, and then they'll start thinking "I'm the toughest guy here.  I should be in charge."  And then we're back to HAL.

Quote from: Laconian on January 19, 2012, 04:02:37 PM
"Computer, end program." (holomatrix dissolves, leaving traces of bodily fluids which fall to the ground.) Ewww!

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Quote from: Onslaught on January 19, 2012, 02:55:15 PM
That should've been Worf not work. I think this damn thing changed that and I didn't see.

Robot attack!

Quote from: sportyaccordy on January 19, 2012, 12:55:06 PM
Lol me and wifey always joke about the shuttles. I think we will start keeping count. I think every shuttle they sound out in an episode gets destroyed

So according to that site that Galaxy posted Voyager lost about 17 shuttles. Damn, they must have spent a lot of energy replicating those! :lol:

Quote from: Onslaught on January 19, 2012, 02:38:29 PM
1. A changeling could bitch slap Data. His brother Lore is as strong. Q can turn him into a slug. So Data is not the most bad ass thing in the known Trek Universe.
2. Work killed the shit out of Borg in First Contact.

And if Janeway was so good she'd made 7 of 9 in charge of everything seeing that she's better then anyone on Voyager.

Yet another excellent Trekism post.

I liked Wesley Crusher. I am the same age as the actor (Wil Wheaton of whose blog I've been following for ~10 years, and 20+ years hence he is still bitter about his Trek days) and found great escapism in Wes as well as the series.

Quote from: Raza  on January 19, 2012, 05:50:42 PM
Yeah, and then they'll start thinking "I'm the toughest guy here.  I should be in charge."  And then we're back to HAL.

:lol:

I hated Wesley. I wanted to slap the punk even back when I was like six years old.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 19, 2012, 07:32:52 PM
I liked Wesley Crusher. I am the same age as the actor (Wil Wheaton of whose blog I've been following for ~10 years, and 20+ years hence he is still bitter about his Trek days) and found great escapism in Wes as well as the series.

I couldn't stand him when he was the wonder boy on the show. Always coming up with stuff that all the adults couldn't. But years later they made him a more normal character and I didn't mind him then.

Quote from: Onslaught on January 19, 2012, 08:55:47 PM
I couldn't stand him when he was the wonder boy on the show. Always coming up with stuff that all the adults couldn't. But years later they made him a more normal character and I didn't mind him then.

Like when he and his classmates were responsible for the death of a cadet because they were acting like dumb college kids.

Quote from: Laconian on January 19, 2012, 08:48:14 PM
I hated Wesley. I wanted to slap the punk even back when I was like six years old.

He was such a whiny little bitch.

Quote from: SVT666 on January 19, 2012, 09:07:12 PM
Like when he and his classmates were responsible for the death of a cadet because they were acting like dumb college kids.

That one was ok. Or when he and Picard crashed on a desert planet when Crusher was going off to SFA. Or when he came back to the Enterprise and almost got some ass from Ashley Judd.

Oh I forgot about that with Ashley Judd. I have to watch that episode again.  What season was that?  7?

Season 5 ep 6 "The Game"

"The Game." Know it well. She played a certain Robin Lefler. She had a cameo in a previous episode in season 5. (Yes, this is all from memory.) Thing is, Judd was one of those girls that was real hit and miss on her attractiveness. For a time there she was close to being an "it" girl but then lost it.

I remember Ensign Robin Lefler, but I did not know that the actress became famous.

Quote from: Galaxy on January 19, 2012, 10:36:03 PM
I remember Ensign Robin Lefler, but I did not know that the actress became famous.

She comes from a fairly famous family FWIW (sister and mother were (are?) popular country singers) but in the early '90s I don't think she had done much of anything. And I think she qualifies as sort of famous - she was in a few good movies but then lost it - there's just something about her look and mannerisms that is real hit and miss. Hard to describe. Interestingly she is married to Dario Franchitti.

Also, the previous episode she had appeared in (as a cameo) was "Darmok" which is one of my all-time favorite TNG episodes.

Shaka, when the walls fell :shaka: :facepalm:

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timber, his arms wide

OMG, I made the second image on this page:
http://www.jitselemmens.com/wordpress/2010/02/shaka/

Mirab, his sails unfurled!


Yeah, I remember that. :lol:

Darmok and Gilad at Tinagra.

(Not sure on that spelling, and yes, that is from memory too.)

Another fav TNG episode of mine is "The Defector" which is carried on the back of James Sloyan (who had all sorts of roles in Trek land, most notably, as Odo's doctor/father/discoverer in DS9).

I liked that one too.

I watched that one on TV a couple days ago.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2012, 07:04:33 PM
Another fav TNG episode of mine is "The Defector" which is carried on the back of James Sloyan (who had all sorts of roles in Trek land, most notably, as Odo's doctor/father/discoverer in DS9).

I liked that one but I was always pissed the Enterprise never had it out with a Warbird. I had to wait for DS9 to show some fights with starships. Every time it looked like the Enterprise-D would have to throw down on a pointed eared bastards bird ship it would work out peaceful in the end.

I'm also mad that the original movies never had it out with a D-7 battle cruiser. All we ever got was a fucking little piss ass Bird of Prey. That was ok in Search for Spock because it was the first time we saw that ship design and the enterprise didn't have a full crew. But in 6 I finally thought the battle would be against "Kronos One" and in the end it was a bitch ass bird of prey.

Oh, and NO WAY a bird of prey can take out a fucking Galaxy class ship! I don't care if it can shoot through the shields or not. The Enterprise D could blow an old BoP into dust with or without shields.


Back to drinking wine now.

Thing is a Warbird is more than twice as big as a Galaxy class and out gunned it (Warbird was a military vessel first, unlike the Enterprise), so it was always my thinking that is why they never went one on one.

Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
OMG, I made the second image on this page:
http://www.jitselemmens.com/wordpress/2010/02/shaka/

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I think I remember that from the C&D days?  But I have no idea to what it is referring. 

It's an uber geek/nerd meme based on the TNG episode, "Darmok." Picard and Co. happen upon some random ship but when they try to communicate the UT (universal translator) just spits out things like "Shaka, when the walls fell" and other seemingly random stuff when the aliens speak. I won't spoil the episode but Picard solves the mystery and saves the day. FANTASTIC episode.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 21, 2012, 09:11:06 AM
It's an uber geek/nerd meme based on the TNG episode, "Darmok." Picard and Co. happen upon some random ship but when they try to communicate the UT (universal translator) just spits out things like "Shaka, when the walls fell" and other seemingly random stuff when the aliens speak. I won't spoil the episode but Picard solves the mystery and saves the day. FANTASTIC episode.

Hmm. 

I'm going to bitch about one more Trek thing. I know they've got different writers for every story and it would be difficult for all of them to know all the back story of Trek. But they have enough people working with these shows all the time that some of the large continuity errors should've been corrected before filming. One example is the  STNG "Relics" episode. In this one the Enterprise-D finds a crashed Federation Star Ship on a Dyson sphere. They find Scotty inside the transporter that had been jury-rigged and when Scotty rematerialized and found out the people who saved him came from the Enterprise he said something like "I bet Jim Kirk dug the Enterprise out of mothballs and headed the rescue mission." That was all fine and good until.......

Star Trek Generations comes out years later. And Scotty is on the Enterprise B when he thinks that Kirk is killed in the beginning of the movie. So it makes the Relics show not fit. How could people not catch that shit?

I just blame all those continuity errors on behind-the-scenes-Q. :lol:

Quote from: Raza  on January 21, 2012, 10:43:13 AM
Hmm. 

Sokath, his eyes opened!

Quote from: Onslaught on January 21, 2012, 10:53:22 AM
I'm going to bitch about one more Trek thing. I know they've got different writers for every story and it would be difficult for all of them to know all the back story of Trek. But they have enough people working with these shows all the time that some of the large continuity errors should've been corrected before filming. One example is the  STNG "Relics" episode. In this one the Enterprise-D finds a crashed Federation Star Ship on a Dyson sphere. They find Scotty inside the transporter that had been jury-rigged and when Scotty rematerialized and found out the people who saved him came from the Enterprise he said something like "I bet Jim Kirk dug the Enterprise out of mothballs and headed the rescue mission." That was all fine and good until.......

Star Trek Generations comes out years later. And Scotty is on the Enterprise B when he thinks that Kirk is killed in the beginning of the movie. So it makes the Relics show not fit. How could people not catch that shit?

Perhaps you can attribute that to Scotty's advanced age and a bit of dementia.

Quote from: 93JC on January 21, 2012, 01:24:42 PM
Perhaps you can attribute that to Scotty's advanced age and a bit of dementia.

He really wasn't that old for the time. People live to be well over 100 in ST times.

Still doesn't mean they're not tottering old coots.

Quote from: Onslaught on January 20, 2012, 07:32:42 PM
I liked that one but I was always pissed the Enterprise never had it out with a Warbird. I had to wait for DS9 to show some fights with starships. Every time it looked like the Enterprise-D would have to throw down on a pointed eared bastards bird ship it would work out peaceful in the end.

I'm also mad that the original movies never had it out with a D-7 battle cruiser. All we ever got was a fucking little piss ass Bird of Prey. That was ok in Search for Spock because it was the first time we saw that ship design and the enterprise didn't have a full crew. But in 6 I finally thought the battle would be against "Kronos One" and in the end it was a bitch ass bird of prey.

Oh, and NO WAY a bird of prey can take out a fucking Galaxy class ship! I don't care if it can shoot through the shields or not. The Enterprise D could blow an old BoP into dust with or without shields.


Back to drinking wine now.

Meh. They'd all get owned by a whole host of Star Wars Universe ships.

:evildude:

The Stargate Universe ship would be even bigger, but nobody would be able to figure out how to fire weapons from the fucking thing.

Quote from: Northlands on January 21, 2012, 02:08:31 PM
Meh. They'd all get owned by a whole host of Star Wars Universe ships.

:evildude:

I wanna see a battle between a star destroyer, the Enterprise, and the Galactica.

Quote from: Northlands on January 21, 2012, 02:08:31 PM
Meh. They'd all get owned by a whole host of Star Wars Universe ships.

:evildude:

Actually they wouldn't. I'd take most STNG ships over Star Wars. I'm not talking Death Star or anything.

That's until you hit the Super Class / Sovereign Class Destroyers. These things will crack planets in two.

I'm more of a SW nerd than ST , so I'll have my biases.  :facepalm:  Not unlike the ST ships, regular Star Destroyers , Victory or Imperial class ones also have a ton of torpedoes. Not just the little pew pew lasers that are seen in the movies.  :lol:

Quote from: Laconian on January 21, 2012, 02:10:30 PM
The Stargate Universe ship would be even bigger, but nobody would be able to figure out how to fire weapons from the fucking thing.

Yeah, any ship you have to fly into a star to recharge it's power core is inherently badass IMO.  :lol:

I'm a big fan of both too. I'd still want to be in a big boy Romulan, Klingon or Federation ship over almost any Rebel or Imperial ship.

Quote from: Onslaught on January 21, 2012, 10:53:22 AM
I'm going to bitch about one more Trek thing. I know they've got different writers for every story and it would be difficult for all of them to know all the back story of Trek. But they have enough people working with these shows all the time that some of the large continuity errors should've been corrected before filming. One example is the  STNG "Relics" episode. In this one the Enterprise-D finds a crashed Federation Star Ship on a Dyson sphere. They find Scotty inside the transporter that had been jury-rigged and when Scotty rematerialized and found out the people who saved him came from the Enterprise he said something like "I bet Jim Kirk dug the Enterprise out of mothballs and headed the rescue mission." That was all fine and good until.......

Star Trek Generations comes out years later. And Scotty is on the Enterprise B when he thinks that Kirk is killed in the beginning of the movie. So it makes the Relics show not fit. How could people not catch that shit?

Actually, Generations was shot less than two years after "Relics" and Ronald D. Moore was the writer for both. But my hunch is, the success of the movie was WAY more important than cannon.

But that stuff never bothered me.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 21, 2012, 03:25:38 PM
Actually, Generations was shot less than two years after "Relics" and Ronald D. Moore was the writer for both. But my hunch is, the success of the movie was WAY more important than cannon.

But that stuff never bothered me.

Actually what happened was Leonard Nimoy was going to be in it but bailed out. So they put James in. But still, someone should've said something.

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Quote from: Onslaught on January 21, 2012, 03:39:56 PM
Actually what happened was Leonard Nimoy was going to be in it but bailed out. So they put James in. But still, someone should've said something.

Ooh, interesting, didn't know that. Scotty was perfect for it - added a bit of comedic relief, and the tech tie-in with the Dyson Sphere was awesome.

Re: the Dyson sphere, I think it's stupid how systems that have worked flawlessly for millions of years just COINCIDENTALLY blow themselves to shit when the crew of the Enterprise gets close to them.

This thread made me give Star Trek a second chance, but I got super bored within the first 15 minutes of TNG.

Quote from: thecarnut on January 25, 2012, 07:13:06 PM
This thread made me give Star Trek a second chance, but I got super bored within the first 15 minutes of TNG.

Oh no, you didn't watch season 1, did you?

We've all said time and time again that season 1 blows!

Top 10 episodes for a non-TNG person (many of these are top TNG episodes as whole, but I've left out the mega geeky stuff  Borg, Romulans, etc., that probably requires context to enjoy). These are mostly standalone episodes that require little historical knowledge of the world of Trek:

10.) Yesterday's Enterprise
9.) The Drumhead
8.) The Masterpiece Society
7.) Relics
6.) Cause and Effect (featuring Kelsey Grammer as guest star)
5.) Tapestry
4.) The Measure of a Man
3.) Darmok
2.) The Defector
1.) The Inner Light

"The Best of Both Worlds"!

Yeah, great episode but thought that it was too Borg centric for a newbie to enjoy...

Quote from: GoCougs on January 25, 2012, 11:37:58 PM
Yeah, great episode but thought that it was too Borg centric for a newbie to enjoy...

Newbies love the Borg! That's why First Contact was the most successful Trek movie.

Oh, man, don't get me started. I gotta get to bed! Star Trek: First Contact is in my top three all-time favs!

First Contact is the best Next Gen movie. But it really didn't do it for me and I've got some problems with it. As great as the Next Gen cast was I never thought they got the movies they deserved,

Quote from: Onslaught on January 26, 2012, 03:45:42 AM
First Contact is the best Next Gen movie. But it really didn't do it for me and I've got some problems with it. As great as the Next Gen cast was I never thought they got the movies they deserved,

The only movie they did that up to standard IMO was First Contact.  Nemesis was good, but not great, Generations was not good at all, and Insurrection was shit.  Insurrection would have been a decent TV episode, but for a movie it sucked.  I also wish that they had been given 6 movies like the original cast.

I felt the original Trek characters aged better than the TNG's characters roles. Youth was a more important part of Riker/Troi/LaForge/etc.'s characters. McCoy was already crotchety in the TV show!

Quote from: Laconian on January 25, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
Re: the Dyson sphere, I think it's stupid how systems that have worked flawlessly for millions of years just COINCIDENTALLY blow themselves to shit when the crew of the Enterprise gets close to them.

The thing was already broken, which is why it was abandoned.

It just got worse when they go there.  :lol:

Quote from: GoCougs on January 25, 2012, 11:29:39 PM
Top 10 episodes for a non-TNG person (many of these are top TNG episodes as whole, but I've left out the mega geeky stuff  Borg, Romulans, etc., that probably requires context to enjoy). These are mostly standalone episodes that require little historical knowledge of the world of Trek:

10.) Yesterday's Enterprise
9.) The Drumhead
8.) The Masterpiece Society
7.) Relics
6.) Cause and Effect (featuring Kelsey Grammer as guest star)
5.) Tapestry
4.) The Measure of a Man
3.) Darmok
2.) The Defector
1.) The Inner Light

The Inner Light is probably one of the best episodes in the entire family of shows.

Should also include 'Lessons' in your list as well.


The Year of Hell and the two part "Scorpion" from Voyager were also very good.

Quote from: Laconian on January 26, 2012, 02:31:08 PM
I felt the original Trek characters aged better than the TNG's characters roles. Youth was a more important part of Riker/Troi/LaForge/etc.'s characters. McCoy was already crotchety in the TV show!

McCoys cameo in Far Point with Data was a thing of beauty.

I miss that ole' fellow.


"Its a new ship, but shes got the right name. 
Now you remember that, ya hear?"

Data;  "Yes, Sir."

"You treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home."

:clap:

Quote from: hounddog on January 26, 2012, 02:37:55 PM
McCoys cameo in Far Point with Data was a thing of beauty.

I miss that ole' fellow.


"Its a new ship, but shes got the right name. 
Now you remember that, ya hear?"

Data;  "Yes, Sir."

"You treat her like a lady and she'll always bring you home."

:clap:

One of the few TNG episodes I've seen.