Sharpened Fangs: Dodge unleashes its 510-hp Viper SRT10 coupe
ROGER HART
Published Date: 10/10/05
2006 DODGE VIPER SRT10 COUPE
ON SALE: Now
BASE PRICE: $83,995
POWERTRAIN: 8.3-liter, 510-hp, 535-lb-ft V10; rwd, six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3450 pounds
0 TO 60 MPH: 3.7 seconds (mfr.)
FUEL MILEAGE (epa combined): 14.63
Fans of American muscle cars have reason to rejoice. We?re caught in the crossfire of a great horsepower war, and while the superpowers waging battle have a take-no-prisoners attitude, we don?t see any customers coming out as losers. The winners bask in sub-four-second 0-to-60-mph times while inhaling an intoxicating aroma of high-octane fuel, tire smoke and hot brakes.
Dodge lobbed the first salvo in this most recent battle in 2003 when it unveiled the 500-hp Viper SRT10 convertible. Chevrolet joined the 500-hp battle with its 505-hp 2006 Corvette Z06 (AW, Sept. 5). Dodge has rallied back with its 2006 Viper Coupe, now packing an SAE-certified 510 hp. Ford is also in the 500-plus hp battle with its 550-hp GT, but the car?s $150,000 sticker and mid-engine layout put it in a different league than Viper or Corvette.
?With this car, we have given our customers back their bragging rights,? says Dan Knott, director of Chrysler?s Street and Racing Technology, Viper?s spiritual home within DaimlerChrysler. ?Viper Nation? as the owners group is known, played a role in helping Knott?s team develop the new coupe. Viper owners are a loyal, vocal bunch, Knott says, and after seeing prototypes for the coupe, ?Their comments helped shape the car we have today. There were things they wanted on a coupe and we?re delivering it.?
Designer Ralph Gilles incorporated several features from the Viper GTS of 1996-2000, including shrouding the rear taillights with the quarter-panels and using the snake-head design for the center high-mounted stoplight on the decklid.
Knott believes the Viper faithful will pony up the cash to make the coupe a success. The car stickers at $83,995 (plus a $3,000 gas guzzler tax), about $20,000 more than the Z06 that delivers roughly the same performance. Dodge says 0 to 60 mph happens in 3.7 seconds, matching Chevy?s claim for the Z06. Dodge?s quarter-mile claim (12.2 seconds at 123 mph) falls short of Chevy?s (11.7 at 125), but the sales race isn?t just about track numbers.
As Knott says, ?Viper people are Viper people.? He then notes more than 600 customers ordered the coupes before the first car rolled off the Conner Avenue assembly plant in Detroit on Aug. 22. At most, Knott says, Dodge will build about 3000 Viper coupes over the next few years. Chevy aims to sell 6000 Z06s annually.
?Exclusivity is part of the package,? he says. ?Since the Viper was launched in ?92, only 17,000 cars have been sold.?
With the unveiling of the convertible Viper in 2003?the third-generation car?500 became a magic number: 500 cubic inches, 500 hp, 500 lb-ft. The 8.3-liter aluminum V10 is actually 505 cubic inches, and the car now makes 510 hp and a tire-smoking 535 lb-ft of torque. Up to 90 percent of that torque is available through a wide rev range, from 1500 rpm to 5600 rpm.
Our first taste of the Viper coupe came at the glorious Laguna Seca road course. There were obligatory orientation laps in a van driven by a Skip Barber Driving School instructor, and a couple of cone chicanes were put in place on the track to try to slow the cars down a bit. But for the most part, it was have at it.
While Viper is a street car, it is truly at home on a track where it can unleash all of its race car breeding. From the outset, the hardtop car was designed with racing in mind. Some racing classes require coupes; for others the hard roof just offers advantages for chassis rigidity and aerodynamics. Viper Nation?s hard-core racers wanted a coupe, and the SRT folks knew how to serve their needs. The ?double-bubble? roof design allows for helmet clearance inside the cockpit, and there is plenty of room inside the car for roll-cage installation. The nicely bolstered seats can easily be fitted with racing harnesses, and of course the pedals are optimally located for heel-and-toe shifting.
While most convertibles are built from coupes and need added structure because the roof was removed, the Viper coupe begins as a convertible and then the roof is added. Dodge engineers say that makes the coupe significantly stiffer than the convertible, and that was evident when driving the two back to back around Laguna Seca?s 11 turns. With that sturdiness comes weight?the coupe is 70 pounds heavier.
The hardtop also increases the Viper?s downforce and is more stable at high speeds, another point confirmed at Laguna. While not at all a slippery car, the Viper coupe has a marginally better Cd of 0.39 to the 0.40 of the topless car. Chrysler engineer Herb Helbig, the Viper team?s ?grail keeper? who has logged more development miles in Vipers than anyone else, says the coupe experiences only minor lift in the front, and the car?s sloping roofline and rear decklid spoiler produce 100 pounds of downforce at the rear at 150 mph. Helbig says top speed is 190 mph; he achieved that number at a closed airfield in northern Michigan.
The coupe and convertible share some bodywork, including the front fascia, fenders, hood and doors. The coupe has unique windshield, door glass, rear fascia, quarter-panels and taillights.
Climbing behind the wheel of the coupe and getting a comfortable driving position was no problem, although we?d like the wheel to telescope as well as tilt. But the pedals can be electronically adjusted fore and aft. The cockpit layout is unchanged from the convertible model, with the instrument panel dominated by a large center-mounted tachometer. There is still too much flat-black plastic on the dash for our tastes, but the layout and controls are all straightforward. Even though this is essentially a race car, for this amount of money we?d like to see more attention paid to the interior trim. Another coupe benefit: more storage space than the convertible, 6.25 cubic feet vs. 2.25.
A turn of the key and hit of the red starter button lights up the V10 with a baritone rumble even at idle. Selecting first gear and dropping the clutch unleashes a roar through the side exhaust pipes that sounds loud even through a helmet. Through all its years of refinement?the first Viper hit the streets in 1992?the car remains a beast that demands the utmost respect from its driver, whether on the track or on the street. Applying too much power at the wrong time will get the car sideways faster than you can say bye-bye, and there are no electronic nannies?save for antilock brakes?to help save your butt. Driving the car around Laguna was an advanced lesson in physics.
On our first few laps we tried to get a feel for the car and the track, and found ourselves braking way too early and turning in too quickly. The brakes are phenomenal, Brembo four-piston calipers all around gripping 14-inch rotors. Dodge says 60 to 0 mph can be done in less than 100 feet and a 0-to-100-to-0-mph run can be done in less than 12 seconds. Lap after lap, the brakes never faded. The car?s steering is nicely weighted and is crisp and direct, just like you would expect in a race car.
The Viper coupe has the same six-speed Tremec gearbox as in the convertible, with the same short throws. Press materials tell us there is a 1-4 skip-shift, but we never accelerated softly enough to encounter it.
With the V10?s ample torque, we could drive the 2.238-mile Laguna track and never take it out of third gear. We did many laps doing just that. But after becoming more comfortable, we worked up more speed and used additional gears. And even with P345/30ZR-19 Michelins in the back (P275/35ZR-18s are up front), we easily spun them coming out of second-gear corners if we got back on the throttle too quickly. Apply too much power too harshly in Laguna?s famous downhill Corkscrew turn, and, despite being in a big, heavy sports car, you suddenly get the roller-coaster ride of a lifetime.
?This car has to be driven with a bit of patience,? says Helbig. ?Smoothness counts.?
Subtlety has never been an element of Viper?s appeal. Its cartoon-car looks combine with its monstrous horsepower to smack you hard. Just like a warrior in battle.
What a freaktastic piece of awesome automotive machinery :wub:
(http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/1010/viper_fast.jpg)
(http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/1010/viper_int.jpg)
(http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/1010/viper_side.jpg)
I like this, but this is no match for the Vette, imo.
Those are huge wheels.
Thanks Greg ;)
QuoteThanks Greg ;)
NP ;)
Hmmm... I thought the roof was bubblier...
That is an extremely sexy car...the side profile is just perfect! I love it.
QuoteThat is an extremely sexy car...the side profile is just perfect! I love it.
I still remember the roof being higher to accomadate helmets... Oh well. Love the rims though. :praise:
QuoteQuoteThat is an extremely sexy car...the side profile is just perfect! I love it.
I still remember the roof being higher to accomadate helmets... Oh well. Love the rims though. :praise:
That's what the two humps are for...
QuoteQuoteThanks Greg ;)
NP ;)
What did you guys delete?
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/viper_fast.jpg)
What's that wart on the roof?
Quote(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/viper_fast.jpg)
What's that wart on the roof?
For helmets. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteThanks Greg ;)
NP ;)
What did you guys delete?
A whole argument about exiges :rolleyes:
QuoteQuote(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/viper_fast.jpg)
What's that wart on the roof?
For helmets. ;)
I see. Thanks. So that's why the TVR Sagaris roof is also mishapen.
(http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/1010/viper_side.jpg)
I think it looks a little hunched up.
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The second gen Viper has met its maker:
(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-14029-287009-5976/z06%20vette.jpg)
It just can't compete with the new Z06, Dodge had better step up to the plate with the next one.
QuoteThe second gen Viper has met its maker:
(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-14029-287009-5976/z06%20vette.jpg)
It just can't compete with the new Z06, Dodge had better step up to the plate with the next one.
I think the Dodge looks meaner, and I prefer its looks, but the Vette is probably of higher quality, and can surely outhandle a Viper.
The Z06 can outhandle and outaccelerate the Viper while being 20k cheaper. I too prefer the looks of the Viper, but they aren't worth the sacrifice.
QuoteThe second gen Viper has met its maker:
(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-14029-287009-5976/z06%20vette.jpg)
It just can't compete with the new Z06, Dodge had better step up to the plate with the next one.
Zactly what i said. :praise:
Chris just decided to get all anal with me. :rolleyes:
Anyways, i like the looks of the vette much more than the viper, and the vette is lighter, handles better, and is about 20k less expensive. Dodge is doomed. So is Ford. :praise:
I wouldn't go as far as to say Ford is doomed, the GT is most likely a better handling car than the Z06 (can't wait for a head to head comparo) and is a little faster as well. It is also much better looking (imho) and is much more exclusive (which is important to some apparantly).
QuoteThe second gen Viper has met its maker:
(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-14029-287009-5976/z06%20vette.jpg)
It just can't compete with the new Z06, Dodge had better step up to the plate with the next one.
Please tell me you're joking...
QuoteQuoteThe second gen Viper has met its maker:
(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-14029-287009-5976/z06%20vette.jpg)
It just can't compete with the new Z06, Dodge had better step up to the plate with the next one.
Please tell me you're joking...
How is he joking?
No I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
QuoteI wouldn't go as far as to say Ford is doomed, the GT is most likely a better handling car than the Z06 (can't wait for a head to head comparo) and is a little faster as well. It is also much better looking (imho) and is much more exclusive (which is important to some apparantly).
Good points, but i think the vette will handle better.
QuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
QuoteQuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
faster, lighter, cheaper, etc.
QuoteQuoteQuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
faster, lighter, cheaper, etc.
;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
faster, lighter, cheaper, etc.
Add more practical to the list, the Z06 should have a comfortable enough ride and a quiet enough interior that driving it daily shouldn't drive you crazy.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
faster, lighter, cheaper, etc.
;)
fine, it handles better then. And probably has a higher top speed too.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
faster, lighter, cheaper, etc.
;)
I am not sure why you did that:
Viper SRT10 Coupe (Nov 2005 C/D):
0-60: 4.0
0-100: 9.3
1/4 mile: 12.5@117
Corvette Z06 (Oct 2005 C/D):
0-60: 3.6
0-100: 7.9
1/4 mile: 11.7@125
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
faster, lighter, cheaper, etc.
Add more practical to the list, the Z06 should have a comfortable enough ride and a quiet enough interior that driving it daily shouldn't drive you crazy.
Yeah, that too. Plus, it looks much better too (IMO).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
faster, lighter, cheaper, etc.
;)
I am not sure why you did that:
Viper SRT10 Coupe (Nov 2005 C/D):
0-60: 4.0
0-100: 9.3
1/4 mile: 12.5@117
Corvette Z06 (Oct 2005 C/D):
0-60: 3.6
0-100: 7.9
1/4 mile: 11.7@125
Damn! That's nice! :o :praise:
As for handling, braking, and top speed:
Viper:
0-70: 159ft
Roadholding: .98g
Top Speed: 190mph
Vette:
0-70: 162 ft
Roadholding: .98g
Top Speed: 198mph
So the Viper has slightly better brakes, but I hardly think those make it worth an extra $20k.
QuoteAs for handling, braking, and top speed:
Viper:
0-70: 159ft
Roadholding: .98g
Top Speed: 190mph
Vette:
0-70: 162 ft
Roadholding: .98g
Top Speed: 198mph
So the Viper has slightly better brakes, but I hardly think those make it worth an extra $20k.
I thought i heard 200 even for the vette, but it's still very impressive nonetheless. Certainly pwnzes the viper. :praise:
Whatever guys. If you want to live in la-la land and believe the Corvette ZO6 is significanly faster and better handling than a Viper that's fine with me.
QuoteWhatever guys. If you want to live in la-la land and believe the Corvette ZO6 is significanly faster and better handling than a Viper that's fine with me.
WTF dude... TBR just gave PROOF that the Vette beats it in all but braking. :rolleyes:
Proof my ass. They're roughly the same at just about everything. Don't even begin to pretend that 0.4 seconds difference in 0-60 runs couldn't be as much as one driver's reaction time being less than a tenth of a second slower. Absolutely anything could affect the time of that fast a run. You could get that big a variation from a blink-of-an-eye slip-up.
They do 5 runs and then average the middle three, that is about as accurate as you can get.
How do explain the 0-100 and the quarter mile then? The times really break apart there, as does the mph in the quarter mile.
Yeah, you can't blame reaction time there.
QuoteProof my ass. They're roughly the same at just about everything. Don't even begin to pretend that 0.4 seconds difference in 0-60 runs couldn't be as much as one driver's reaction time being less than a tenth of a second slower. Absolutely anything could affect the time of that fast a run. You could get that big a variation from a blink-of-an-eye slip-up.
Viper SRT10 Coupe (Nov 2005 C/D):
1/4 mile: 12.5@117
Corvette Z06 (Oct 2005 C/D:
1/4 mile: 11.7@125
.4 quicker and 8 faster.
Automobile pit this, the new Z06, and the GT against each other at Gingerbread Man, and the Z06 got second place, roughly a second behind and a second ahead of the GT and SRT10, respectively. Though, it was said that the Viper was the easiest to drive fast.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo I am not, what does the Viper do better than the Vette?
What does the Corvette do better than the Viper?
faster, lighter, cheaper, etc.
Add more practical to the list, the Z06 should have a comfortable enough ride and a quiet enough interior that driving it daily shouldn't drive you crazy.
That's not what I've read. I read that unlike the C5, the C6 is significantly harsher and more committed than the C5 and will make you crazy as a daily driver (if you are not me).
That sig looks awefully familiar...
I like the Viper, but the Corvette is the better car. It takes a skilled driver to handle a Viper (even the new ones) whereas the Vette sounds as if it's more forgiving.
I suppose the tricky handling is part of the appeal of the Viper, as is the same with the 911.
QuoteI like the Viper, but the Corvette is the better car. It takes a skilled driver to handle a Viper (even the new ones) whereas the Vette sounds as if it's more forgiving.
I suppose the tricky handling is part of the appeal of the Viper, as is the same with the 911.
Automobile Magazine said it the other way around. I don't have time to lift the exact quote from the mag, but I will later.
QuoteThat sig looks awefully familiar...
Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
I would say the Viper is an exotic for its rarity and unalultered sportscar characteristics. I don't know if the Z06 should be considered an exotic, as great as it is, because it is more liveable and just as much of a cruiser.