By Ronan GlonThursday, May 3rd, 2012 @ 6:25 am
The car was created by installing the all-wheel drive system, the six-speed dual clutch transmission, and the 3.8-liter twin-turbocharged V6 from the GT-R sports car into a modified Juke body.
Time and again Nissan has claimed that the Juke-R is merely a one-off special and that it is not slated for regular production.
Confirming a report published this morning by England?s EVO magazine, Nissan has announced that it will build a limited run of Juke-Rs after all.
The Japanese automaker stated that ?overwhelming pressure? from potential customers led it to change its mind. How overwhelming? Well, three orders have already been placed for the car. Two of them are said to come from a high-profile and well-respected member of Dubai society.
?The Juke-R was originally intended as a one-off concept to marry two of Nissan?s most innovative models. But the reaction we had to the car in Dubai was amazing ? people were making offers for the original on the street!? said Gareth Dunsmore, the marketing product manager for the Juke.
Juke-R production will be extremely limited and the car will be built to order. It is estimated that no more than 20 examples will be built. Production of the first three models is already underway and they are scheduled to be delivered this coming summer.
Nissan did not comment on how much the Juke-R will cost, saying only that its price will be set ?very high.? EVO estimates that it will be priced in the vicinity of ?125,000, which converts to about $202,000.
The road-going version of the Juke-R will be powered by the updated 540 horsepower variant of the GT-R?s twin-turbocharged engine.
By comparison, the concept was rated at 485 horsepower, which was already enough to propel it from zero to 62 miles per hour in just 3.7 seconds, and on to a track-worthy top speed of 160 miles per hour.
To coincide with the announcement of the Juke-R?s launch, Nissan has released a short film called ?Desert Nemesis.? The six-minute long film features the Juke-R racing against a Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG, a Lamborghini Gallardo and a Ferrari 458 Italia at the Dubai International Marine Club.
The movie ends with a paragraph-long explanation of how the filming was carried out. At one point it says that ?the Juke-R is a concept car with a Nissan GT-R engine and is not available for retail sale.? The movie must have been made before Nissan decided to produce the car as that is evidently not the case anymore.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 03, 2012, 10:09:35 AM
The Japanese automaker stated that “overwhelming pressure” from potential customers led it to change its mind. How overwhelming? Well, three orders have already been placed for the car. Two of them are said to come from a high-profile and well-respected member of Dubai society.
I suspect that this is probably going to be the most "tasteful" car those two people will own.
Gross.
Should have called it the "Nissan Power Puke".
$200000??
I can't believe people are willing to pay 2x for a slower, uglier GTR...
I welcome this model. Fast AND hilarious.
If Nissan actually put in some effort and made more than 20, they could probably get this far under the GT-R in terms of price. As it is though, this thing is still pretty fucking bonkers and totally one of the coolest cars out there. Yall just haters.
If the headlights were redesigned to be more tasteful, this car would be great looking. I think this is really cool.
What bothers me most about this car is not the car itself, but the fact that Nissan thinks this is a better idea than making a 560Z
Quote from: SVT666 on May 03, 2012, 11:22:53 AM
If the headlights were redesigned to be more tasteful, this car would be great looking. I think this is really cool.
The headlights themselves are pretty are tasteful. It's the turn signals up high that are the problem (the headlights are in the middle)
For example, this one would be fine if the upper lighting were shaved off:
(http://fancytuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nissan-juke-custom.jpg)
And another wild one...
(http://www.autocarzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/impul_nissan_juke_02-1024x683.jpg)
Quote from: Xer0 on May 03, 2012, 11:19:34 AM
Yall just haters.
Well, sorry, I just happen to have two eyes. :lol:
Nah, they'd still be ugly as shit.
Isn't it a little late for April Fool's?
I love the Juke.
Quote from: Rockraven on May 03, 2012, 11:55:45 AM
Nobody's surprised.
Its a design that looks like something, unlike many dull cars on the market.
I was pretty disappointed after I drove it. Not as good to drive as striking as it looks.
Quote from: ChrisV on May 03, 2012, 11:27:27 AM
The headlights themselves are pretty are tasteful. It's the turn signals up high that are the problem (the headlights are in the middle)
For example, this one would be fine if the upper lighting were shaved off:
(http://fancytuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nissan-juke-custom.jpg)
And another wild one...
(http://www.autocarzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/impul_nissan_juke_02-1024x683.jpg)
I think the Juke would be 100% better if it were lower.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 03, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
Its a design that looks like something, unlike many dull cars on the market.
I was pretty disappointed after I drove it. Not as good to drive as striking as it looks.
Looking different =/= Good looking
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27347.msg1713484#msg1713484 date=1336068710
Looking different =/= Good looking
Never said it was pretty.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 03, 2012, 12:13:39 PM
Never said it was pretty.
Good, because it's fucking ugly as fuck.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 03, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
Its a design that looks like something, unlike many dull cars on the market.
This (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_owDRpQ-h95Y/S6oPx_T-k8I/AAAAAAAAAYI/8uTqhS7ZV7g/s1600/Thomas+M+Cooley+pile.jpg) looks like something too.
Like I said before, if the front end got cleaned up a little, it would be fantastic.
Wow, this thing is fucking cool.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 03, 2012, 12:40:41 PM
Like I said before, if the front end totally redesigned, along with the sides and rear end got cleaned up a little, it would be fantastic.
Just helped you out. :lol:
:clap:
No need to thank me.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 03, 2012, 12:40:41 PM
Like I said before, if the front end got cleaned up a little, it would be fantastic.
No it wouldn't. It's hideous from every angle.
Hmmm doesnt this mean its going to be the fastest SUV in production?
Hopefully this will be the start of Nissan stuffing the GTR drivetrain into every car they make.
Sentra R
Altima R
Frontier R
Cube R
Quote from: 565 on May 03, 2012, 02:21:04 PM
Hmmm doesnt this mean its going to be the fastest SUV in production?
At least until that Lamborghini thingy comes out, which, quite humorously, will be much cheaper.
Quote from: 565 on May 03, 2012, 02:23:29 PM
Hopefully this will be the start of Nissan stuffing the GTR drivetrain into every car they make.
Sentra R
Altima R
Frontier R
Cube R
Murano Convertible-R!
Quote from: Raza on May 03, 2012, 03:14:48 PM
Murano Convertible-R!
That would be hilarious. It would be the perfect car to park next to the Merc G65 AMG in my garage.
Quote from: Xer0 on May 03, 2012, 11:19:34 AM
If Nissan actually put in some effort and made more than 20, they could probably get this far under the GT-R in terms of price.
It's more compromised and I'm assuming harder to put together than a GT-R. I don't think it could ever cost less.
I would love a CubeR. :mask:
I want a Figaro R.
(http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/nissan-figaro/nissan-figaro-06.jpg)
That price is just breathtaking. Love or hate the design, I'm curious to see how many they sell at that asking price.
Clipper R!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/NISSAN_CLIPPER_RIO.jpg)
It's the 3-missile-launcher lower front that kills it for me.
Quote from: Raza on May 03, 2012, 03:14:48 PM
Murano Convertible-R!
At least it looks bet...
oh wait...
Love it or hate it, its cool nissan will actually produce a few... I wish more manufacturers wohld be willing to do that wiyh some of their one off creations
Quote from: r0tor on May 03, 2012, 07:11:58 PM
Love it or hate it, its cool nissan will actually produce a few... I wish more manufacturers wohld be willing to do that wiyh some of their one off creations
What's cool about selling a few cars to a bunch of bored Dubai billionaires? Cool is building something fun and affordable to people who weren't born into oil money.
I'd like one without changes to the standard Juke's brakes/wheels/tires/body.
Shit would be pimp to take to the dragstrip, or even a track day.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on May 03, 2012, 07:14:50 PM
I'd like one without changes to the standard Juke's brakes/wheels/tires/body.
Shit would be pimp to take to the dragstrip, or even a track day.
Why stock brakes and tires? Unless you want to do standing 4WD burnouts and not be able to slow down enough for corners... :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on May 03, 2012, 07:20:47 PM
Why stock brakes and tires? Unless you want to do standing 4WD burnouts and not be able to slow down enough for corners... :lol:
So they'd assume it's just a regular old Juke. I'd assume the stock wheels wouldn't fit over the R's brakes.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on May 03, 2012, 07:21:46 PM
So they'd assume it's just a regular old Juke. I'd assume the stock wheels wouldn't fit over the R's brakes.
I would want the R's brakes, but some 19 or 20" steelies with stock Juke hubcaps resized to fit the wheels. :lol:
Quote from: Raza on May 03, 2012, 07:13:42 PM
What's cool about selling a few cars to a bunch of bored Dubai billionaires? Cool is building something fun and affordable to people who weren't born into oil money.
You would think its cool if your a dubai billionaire
Quote from: Raza on May 03, 2012, 07:13:42 PM
What's cool about selling a few cars to a bunch of bored Dubai billionaires? Cool is building something fun and affordable to people who weren't born into oil money.
like that new Scion that you wouldn't buy?
Not gonna lie, the fact that this has gone to production has made it much more appealing to me
Not that I would ever buy one, or that it suddenly makes sense
But
I do like this more than the GT-R. 99% of the performance, with way more utility, much more rarity, and a somewhat cool story of existence.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 03, 2012, 09:40:12 PM
Not gonna lie, the fact that this has gone to production has made it much more appealing to me
Not that I would ever buy one, or that it suddenly makes sense
But
I do like this more than the GT-R. 99% of the performance, with way more utility, much more rarity, and a somewhat cool story of existence.
You honestly think that this will have 99% of the handling of the GT-R?
Quote from: Vinsanity on May 03, 2012, 08:03:33 PM
like that new Scion that you wouldn't buy?
Exactly.
Quote from: r0tor on May 03, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
You would think its cool if your a dubai billionaire
No, I'd still think it's ugly as shit and that there are twenty people out there with more money than taste.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 03, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
Its a design that looks like something, unlike many dull cars on the market.
I was pretty disappointed after I drove it. Not as good to drive as striking as it looks.
Making a design unique isn't worth jack if it's still ugly as hell. I'd rather have something a little less edgy (or whatever you want to call it) if that means it doesn't look like a 13 year old designed it. I'm also aware that style is subjective so I don't fault you for liking it... I just don't get it at all.
That said, this Juke-R idea makes very little sense. I think there should be a mandatory pysch eval on anyone willing to pay $200,000 for this thing.
Quote from: Laconian on May 03, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
You honestly think that this will have 99% of the handling of the GT-R?
Well its taller, but isn't it a lot lighter?
Quote from: Laconian on May 03, 2012, 11:09:27 AM
I welcome this model. Fast AND hilarious.
I agree entirely. It's so bonkers that it works.
Quote from: thewizard16 on May 04, 2012, 02:11:24 AM
I think there should be a mandatory pysch eval on anyone willing to pay $200,000 for this thing.
200K? That's for poor losers.
The Juke R can be yours in the US for a mere 590,000 dollars.
http://www.insideline.com/nissan/juke/build-to-order-nissan-juke-r-will-be-offered-in-us-from-around-590000.html
Anyway, it's built to order, so they will only build as many as there are buyers for, and with a price of 590,000 I doubt they won't make some pocket change on each one.
Never underestimate the allure of exclusivity.
(http://www.uberrides.com/photos/0305/nsx_r_gt0.jpg)
This pretty much stock NSX-R with a fake roof scoop sold for 500k because they only made 5 of them.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 04, 2012, 06:31:36 AM
Well its taller, but isn't it a lot lighter?
No the Juke R is actually around 150 pounds heavier. 3980 vs 3829
http://wot.motortrend.com/juke-r-specs-revealed-nissan-claims-world%E2%80%99s-fastest-crossover-0-62-mph-in-3-7-seconds-156337.html
Some of that is indeed the roll cage and stuff, but the prototypes didn't have a production ready full interior either.
So that puts into some perspective of the weight of the GT-R drivetrain and suspension components. The regular Juke w/ AWD weighs 3146 pounds, and the front wheel drive Juke weighs 2912 pounds. The GT-R drive train components weigh about 1000 pounds more than the Juke stock components.
When the GT-R was released I remember Nissan saying they really made alot of effort to keep the weight down. But the thing was still 3900 pounds, and I wondered if they were just exaggerating. But looking at the Juke R weight now, if you took a Nissan GT-R body and put in a 1.6 turbo with AWD, you would end up with a 3000 pound 183 inch long coupe, with AWD. So really the GT-R despite its large appearance is a pretty reasonably light body, packing a monstrously heavy drivetrain and wheel/brake/suspension package.
The Juke R isn't better than a GT-R in any way, except a little bit more room. But the Juke isn't packaged very well, so it's not like driving a Suburban that's as fast as a GT-R. It's interesting, but I'll take a GT-R over it every time.
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 04, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
The Juke R isn't better than a GT-R in any way, except a little bit more room. But the Juke isn't packaged very well, so it's not like driving a Suburban that's as fast as a GT-R. It's interesting, but I'll take a GT-R over it every time.
Shit, I'd drive an FR-S over this, Scion badge and all.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27347.msg1714154#msg1714154 date=1336149954
Shit, I'd drive an FR-S over this, Scion badge and all.
For someone who drives a Jetta, you sure are picky.
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 03, 2012, 03:36:44 PM
It's more compromised and I'm assuming harder to put together than a GT-R. I don't think it could ever cost less.
I doubt it. All this car takes from the GTR is the engine, AWD, and trans. The basic car is a Juke and far far cheaper than the heavily modified FM base of the GTR. This car would be cheaper than the GTR if Nissan put it into full production.
Quote from: Xer0 on May 04, 2012, 03:42:03 PM
I doubt it. All this car takes from the GTR is the engine, AWD, and trans. The basic car is a Juke and far far cheaper than the heavily modified FM base of the GTR. This car would be cheaper than the GTR if Nissan put it into full production.
But how much modification of the Juke platform is necessary to fit the GT-R bits? That'd be where a lot of the extra cost comes from.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 04, 2012, 01:39:33 PM
For someone who drives a Jetta, you sure are picky.
:rolleyes:
Hes right. A Jetta is a good car for sure. But an FR-S is way better for an enthusiast, brand included. You write cars off for strange reasons sometimes.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 04, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
Hes right. A Jetta is a good car for sure. But an FR-S is way better for an enthusiast, brand included. You write cars off for strange reasons sometimes.
Being picky is why I drive the Jetta. It's a MkV GTI for $5,000 less. Well, actually $6,000, but I took $1,000 off because the suspensions are slightly different.
Quote from: Raza on May 04, 2012, 08:36:34 PM
Being picky is why I drive the Jetta. It's a MkV GTI for $5,000 less. Well, actually $6,000, but I took $1,000 off because the suspensions are slightly different.
There's always the Cobalt SS for those who aren't picky.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on May 04, 2012, 08:50:08 PM
There's always the Cobalt SS for those who aren't picky.
Those things are fast though.
My friend has one. :lol:
I'm with Rich. Just gimme the drivetrain. AWD burnouts FTW
And I really want an SS turbo. "Bad interior" be damned.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 04, 2012, 09:00:46 PM
I'm with Rich. Just gimme the drivetrain. AWD burnouts FTW
And I really want an SS turbo. "Bad interior" be damned.
You don't need quotes. It looks shitty. This is fact. Also, it maintains an alarming level of GM-ness.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27347.msg1714359#msg1714359 date=1336185394
Being picky is why I drive the Jetta. It's a MkV GTI for $5,000 less. Well, actually $6,000, but I took $1,000 off because the suspensions are slightly different.
Its still a Jetta, a car that has a horrible reputation for being an unreliable girls' car.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 04, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Its still a Jetta, a car that has a horrible reputation for being an unreliable girls' car.
You drive a fucking YARIS. You have no room to talk.
Quote from: CJ on May 04, 2012, 11:34:06 PM
You drive a fucking YARIS. You have no room to talk.
The difference is I know my car's reputation, I don't care and stima (at least those that aren't related to quality) doesn't phase me. Saying I won't like a car for trivial reasons such as the badge.
You don't see me praising my Yaris then refusing to
drive the Mini Cooper S for looking a little girly.
I'll say it. This is going to have that Neon SRT effect. Yeah, you're driving what fancy sport package thingy you're driving, but at the end of the day you're still driving a Nissan Juke. Yeah.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 04, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
Hes right. A Jetta is a good car for sure. But an FR-S is way better for an enthusiast, brand included. You write cars off for strange reasons sometimes.
A Scion is better for enthusiasts? Enthusiasts of what? Mass-marketed boredom?
Quote from: TurboDan on May 05, 2012, 12:01:27 AM
A Scion is better for enthusiasts? Enthusiasts of what? Mass-marketed boredom?
......have you seen anything about Toyota's new RWD coupe? Its kind of a big deal....
Quote from: TurboDan on May 05, 2012, 12:00:13 AM
I'll say it. This is going to have that Neon SRT effect. Yeah, you're driving what fancy sport package thingy you're driving, but at the end of the day you're still driving a Nissan Juke. Yeah.
...and like the Neon and SRT 4, it will bash your face in.
The Juke R is 500,000 and will only have a few copies made.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 04, 2012, 09:00:46 PM
I'm with Rich. Just gimme the drivetrain. AWD burnouts FTW
And I really want an SS turbo. "Bad interior" be damned.
My parents have a 2006 SS and it feels old and abused after 6 years. My 2003 SVT Focus still feels almost new in comparison and I drive it much harder than they drive their SS. It's junk.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 12:04:29 AM
......have you seen anything about Toyota's new RWD coupe? Its kind of a big deal....
Toyota's making an RWD coupe? I thought it was Scion... oh, wait... huh? I'm with Raza. I wouldn't buy a car that's marketed to pimply-faced 17 year olds.
Quote...and like the Neon and SRT 4, it will bash your face in.
I'm not winning any races with a Land Rover. So I really don't care if it's faster than an LR2. But my overall point was, even if it can "bash your face in," you still have to tell girls you meet that you drive a Neon. ;)
Why does it matter?
And the Neon was a blast to drive. I had one.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 04, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Its still a Jetta, a car that has a horrible reputation for being an unreliable girls' car.
Dude, you've got to stop being so superficial.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 12:13:59 AM
Why does it matter?
Because I wanna get laid. :huh:
Quote from: Rockraven on May 03, 2012, 05:22:12 PM
I want a Figaro R.
(http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/nissan-figaro/nissan-figaro-06.jpg)
...I want one of those.
Quote from: TurboDan on May 05, 2012, 12:01:27 AM
A Scion is better for enthusiasts? Enthusiasts of what? Mass-marketed boredom?
Yea, a Scion FR-S is a better car for an enthusiast than any VW this side of a Golf R.
People are sounding damn near retarded with their slavery to image.
Quote from: Raza on May 05, 2012, 12:26:30 AM
Dude, you've got to stop being so superficial.
You're the one who's not seeing a car past it's badge. It's
badge. :facepalm:
I don't have a problem with the Jetta for what it is: a glorified economy car with a turbo. But for a supposed enthusiast to choose one over a more focused lightweight RWD sport coupe just because of the emblem on the hood? That's just silly.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 04, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Its still a Jetta, a car that has a horrible reputation for being an unreliable girls' car.
(http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100714/640/daily_picdump_454_640_92.jpg)
Quote from: Rockraven on May 05, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
(http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100714/640/daily_picdump_454_640_92.jpg)
You're missing the point.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 10:18:42 AM
You're missing the point.
What point? You were trying to make a point?
Quote from: Rockraven on May 05, 2012, 10:23:41 AM
What point? You were trying to make a point?
The point is, why does reputation matter? It's a dumb reason to write off a car.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 10:24:17 AM
The point is, why does reputation matter? It's a dumb reason to write off a car.
No it isn't. Personal preferences.
Quote from: Rockraven on May 05, 2012, 10:28:28 AM
No it isn't. Personal preferences.
I don't like the Zonda. Model names that with the letter "Z" are for girls.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 10:49:43 AM
I don't like the Zonda. Model names that with the letter "Z" are for girls.
You just constantly kill any sort of legitimacy you have around here.
Quote from: MrH on May 05, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
You just constantly kill any sort of legitimacy you have around here.
He's being facetious.
Quote from: MrH on May 05, 2012, 11:15:11 AM
You just constantly kill any sort of legitimacy you have around here.
Do you see how dumb that sounds?
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 11:21:59 AM
Do you see how dumb that sounds?
He's right. Why is it so fucking hard to comprehend that people have personal preferences? I prefer Coke over Pepsi, iMac over PC, and Subaru over fucking Scion. Yes, even though it's the same car, I don't want to own a Scion. I don't want a Scion key fob, a Scion hat, the word Scion on my registration, or membership in the Scion enthusiasts club. When people ask me what I drive, I don't want to say Scion. Understand?
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 11:21:59 AM
Do you see how dumb that sounds?
Even bringing up the possibility of not liking a Zonda, even to prove a point, is dumb.
Quote from: Rockraven on May 05, 2012, 11:38:44 AM
He's right. Why is it so fucking hard to comprehend that people have personal preferences? I prefer Coke over Pepsi, iMac over PC, and Subaru over fucking Scion. Yes, even though it's the same car, I don't want to own a Scion. I don't want a Scion key fob, a Scion hat, the word Scion on my registration, or membership in the Scion enthusiasts club. When people ask me what I drive, I don't want to say Scion. Understand?
Would you not own a Miata because of the vast negativity that surrounds it?
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 11:58:33 AM
Would you not own a Miata because of the vast negativity that surrounds it?
Congratulations. You are my first ignore.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 05, 2012, 11:58:33 AM
Would you not own a Miata because of the vast negativity that surrounds it?
What "vast" negativity surrounds the Miata?
People are dumping on 2o6 but he's right. People have the right to their preferences but people also have the right to their opinions. In my opinion lusting for a Jetta and writing off a Scion solely because of the badge, despite the Scion being the better car by a landsline in the context of this forum, is stupid as hell. People derive self worth from the image they think they project, I get that. That is a huge part of why I got the bike. But folks who drive Jettas are no "cooler" than folks who drive Scions. The demographics overlap for a lot of the models.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 03, 2012, 12:00:32 PM
Its a design that looks like something, unlike many dull cars on the market.
I was pretty disappointed after I drove it. Not as good to drive as striking as it looks.
Yes, it looks like something: It looks like a background prop from a second rate sci-fi movie, or perhaps a rejected design from the Hot wheels people.
Also, it looks like they had three different design teams working on the headlights: and they all won!
Quote from: TurboDan on May 05, 2012, 12:15:48 PM
What "vast" negativity surrounds the Miata?
It's a girls car, it's a chick car, it's a car for gays.
It means nothing, the car is one of the automotive performance, enthusiast, and driving enjoyment cornerstones that many of you guys own, aspire to own, and enjoy to drive. (I enjoyed the NB I drove)
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 05, 2012, 01:37:04 PM
People are dumping on 2o6 but he's right. People have the right to their preferences but people also have the right to their opinions. In my opinion lusting for a Jetta and writing off a Scion solely because of the badge, despite the Scion being the better car by a landsline in the context of this forum, is stupid as hell. People derive self worth from the image they think they project, I get that. That is a huge part of why I got the bike. But folks who drive Jettas are no "cooler" than folks who drive Scions. The demographics overlap for a lot of the models.
I guess I'm the guy to block now. But your post is the point I am driving at. In context with performance, WHY would you turn your nose up at something great, because you don't like the connotations the name has? From what I've read, the Scion/Toyota variant is more enjoyable than the the Subaru variant. WHY would you turn that down?
I don't particularly care for VW as of late. However, although I lambasted the Jetta's 2.5L in another thread, I still liked the rest of the car. Despite the girly connotations of the Jetta and even the Beetle, I would still rock one if I thought it would serve my needs. My Yaris has a pretty dull and girly reputation, and many of you guys didn't like it (Including myself, until I drove it). Yet that didn't stop me from buying one.
Many of you guys harp on people for buying BMW's simply for the badge and not the driving enjoyment part, but in this thread, you're worse than they are. Usually people who buy BMW's for the badge do so for the luxury goods the products offer, not the status of the badge.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 05, 2012, 04:58:17 PM
Also, it looks like they had three different design teams working on the headlights: and they all won!
That's not far from the truth.
Heck, the Neon has probably a worse stigma associated with it than the Miata does, yet I STILL bought one because people told me it drove well. And out of all the cars I have driven, the Neon still has a special place in my heart, despite all the problems it had. That car was a blast.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on May 05, 2012, 06:31:00 PM
That's not far from the truth.
Your company must love them.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 05, 2012, 08:04:30 PM
Your company must love them.
My plant doesn't deal with Nissan, but maybe they do in Japan. I know they do in Ohio.