When I got the 944, there were a number of small spots of clear coat that were starting to blister, most of them small. I flaked off the loose stuff and just covered them all with new clear. The one large spot on the passenger rear fender turned out looking like ass, of course, but at least it wasn't going to get bigger, right?
Well, enter my sander. I had intended to simply sand down and repaint a very small area, and then clear coat the whole panel. Within moments, I knew that was a fantasy. Down to the original primer, and even the metal in some places, I realized this was not going as planned, so I went out for some primer. Primed, sanded, primed sanded, still a depression where the old paint was worn away. So I went out for some putty. Putty, sanded, primer, sanded, oh fuck now the clear is coming off in a new spot. Primer, sanded, putty, sanded, primer, waiting for it dry. I noticed more blistering on the gas cap. Flake it off, sanded, oh fuck now it's a different color. And a new blister spot next to the gas cap, flake off way too much, fuck.
Whenever I go to work on this project, I leave it looking worse than it already did. :rage: The condition of the original paint is pretty poor, with the blistering clear coat and sun damaged paint in some places. I think I am determined to finish it myself. When (if) I ever get everything even and smooth, I'll try to just spray over the actual damaged area, and then clear the whole panel as originally planned. I'm not painting the whole car (yet).
Lesson: Don't do dumb shit with paint. :facepalm:
Do it in camo.
Paint the whole car - or in your case - have your whole car painted.
Maaco
I did a similar thing to my pickup. It ended up costing almost $200 bucks- I did the roof and most of the hood. It looks better than the previous cracked out mess, but it's not as good as factory paint. A Porsche deserves better than an old pickup, though. :huh:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on May 14, 2012, 08:42:37 AM
Maaco
I had Maaco do my 69 Fiat Spider. I did the body prep, sanding, trim removal, etc. The finished product came out very good. The name on the sign out front is not nearly as important as the skills of the people in the building.
Quote from: MiataJohn on May 15, 2012, 07:26:25 AM
I had Maaco do my 69 Fiat Spider. I did the body prep, sanding, trim removal, etc. The finished product came out very good. The name on the sign out front is not nearly as important as the skills of the people in the building.
That's the important part. Maaco can do a decent job of painting, they just don't do much prep work.
Clearcoat did the same thing on my friends old 944.. ugh
Quote from: mzziaz on May 14, 2012, 07:55:28 AM
Paint the whole car - or in your case - have your whole car painted.
$$$ and/or timetimetime to do it right. Give it a few years.
Quote from: r0tor on May 15, 2012, 06:43:16 PM
Clearcoat did the same thing on my friends old 944.. ugh
Yeah, at least I'm doing something about it. I see a lot of 944s with totally hopeless clear coat and paint.
Quote from: shp4man on May 14, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
I did a similar thing to my pickup. It ended up costing almost $200 bucks- I did the roof and most of the hood. It looks better than the previous cracked out mess, but it's not as good as factory paint. A Porsche deserves better than an old pickup, though. :huh:
Yeah, well... :lol:
Quote from: Rupert on May 15, 2012, 08:41:34 PM
$$$ and/or timetimetime to do it right. Give it a few years.
I'll say it again. You're too poor to own a Porsche.
:lol:
Bah, who isn't?
I'll say one thing, though. If you aren't too poor when you buy it, you will be soon! :lol:
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 15, 2012, 02:27:22 PM
That's the important part. Maaco can do a decent job of painting, they just don't do much prep work.
I hear that's key - have your car completely prepped before hand: sanded, low spots filled, trim pieces off, etc. Then it can turn out really nice for the cost.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on May 16, 2012, 08:28:03 PM
I hear that's key - have your car completely prepped before hand: sanded, low spots filled, trim pieces off, etc. Then it can turn out really nice for the cost.
When I took the Fiat in the lights were all off, the windscreen and windscreen frame were off, all chrome trip was off, even door handles and locks. All they had to do was mask and spray. They did do a final fine sand and go over the car with wax and silicone remover though.
That is the cheaper way to do it right, I hear, but it takes so much time, and I want to drive the thing. I would maybe be into it in a couple of years as a winter project.
http://www.carspin.net/forums/index.php?topic=27375.0 ;)
Quote from: Rupert on May 17, 2012, 09:22:11 PM
That is the cheaper way to do it right, I hear, but it takes so much time, and I want to drive the thing. I would maybe be into it in a couple of years as a winter project.
The cost to me was the same. The outcome was superior though. Removing all that stuff took maybe 4-6 hours, reinstallation the same amount of time.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 18, 2012, 05:22:37 AM
http://www.carspin.net/forums/index.php?topic=27375.0 ;)
Don't even joke about that.
Quote from: MiataJohn on May 18, 2012, 06:09:28 AM
The cost to me was the same. The outcome was superior though. Removing all that stuff took maybe 4-6 hours, reinstallation the same amount of time.
Well, if I'm going to bother repainting the whole car, I'm gonna fix a bunch of dings and stuff, too. I would probably really want to take it down to metal to get rid of all the crappy paint and clear that's on there now.
Quote from: Rupert on May 18, 2012, 07:47:20 PM
Don't even joke about that.
Wasn't joking, I think it could look good. Haven't looked at their color selection though.
No fucking way am I putting that shit all over my car. Not to mention the non-stock color.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 19, 2012, 10:08:45 AM
Wasn't joking, I think it could look good. Haven't looked at their color selection though.
It does look pretty good, and they have tons of different colors on dipyourcar.com
However, I don't think I'd want to spray it all over my car either and I'm filing a paypal dispute with DYC to get my money back.
Yeah, if there was trim or something... Not the whole car.
Quote from: thecarnut on May 19, 2012, 03:02:37 PM
and I'm filing a paypal dispute with DYC to get my money back.
What happened there??
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 19, 2012, 05:36:37 PM
What happened there??
Been close to 3 weeks since I paid for the stuff, and haven't gotten any shipment notice since then. I even emailed twice asking about where the paint was, and got no response, which is kinda dumb considering when I emailed them asking what I should buy before placing an order, they got back to me in less than 12 hours. I'm tired of waiting and I'll end up moving out of my house in the next few weeks (plus finals are coming up). From looking online, it seemed that other people were getting their stuff within a week or two, so I ordered it thinking I'd have time to actually spray the wheels but it looks unlikely at this point.
Threaten to file a complaint with their local BBB, then do it after another day of no response. You might call them, too. I would just ask for your money back.
I have heard people having a lot of success with foam roller paint jobs. If you have the time to do the prep they come out looking phenomenal. Prep is the key.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 22, 2012, 09:34:11 AM
I have heard people having a lot of success with foam roller paint jobs. If you have the time to do the prep they come out looking phenomenal. Prep is the key.
It's all the post roller sanding that makes it look good.
I'm pretty sure you need a real deal catalyst/hardener nasty-type car paint if you want it to adhere and hold up to weather and washing over time.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on May 22, 2012, 11:04:59 AM
I'm pretty sure you need a real deal catalyst/hardener nasty-type car paint if you want it to adhere and hold up to weather and washing over time.
+1
It's not even that much more expensive.
O yea you need real car paint. I don't know the details, just that folks call it the "$50 roller paint job" and that they come out great. If you can deal with the prep + finish work that's def an idea.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 23, 2012, 06:53:27 AM
O yea you need real car paint. I don't know the details, just that folks call it the "$50 roller paint job" and that they come out great. If you can deal with the prep + finish work that's def an idea.
Those paint jobs use rustoleum or tractor paint and they look like shit. They will always be gummy/soft and never shine like real car paint applied properly.
Its better to have maaco shoot it.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on May 22, 2012, 08:05:39 PM
+1
It's not even that much more expensive.
The last auto paint I bought, about 6 years ago, was well over $200 for a quart of colorcoat and clearcoat and reducer and hardner for each.
A can of Rustoleum is about $15.
See: http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?40341-My-quot-rustoleum-50-roll-on-paint-job-quot for an example of a rustoleum paint job.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on May 23, 2012, 07:29:34 AM
Those paint jobs use rustoleum or tractor paint and they look like shit. They will always be gummy/soft and never shine like real car paint applied properly.
Its better to have maaco shoot it.
Why would it be gummy/soft? Rustoleum isn't that way when used on anything else.
Yeah, pretty sure I've addressed the repaint-whole-car option a couple times...
Flock it!
:lol:
I saw a guy walking his sheep through a town yesterday. It was bleating happily. Awesome.
Quote from: Rupert on May 24, 2012, 11:25:05 PM
:lol:
I saw a guy walking his sheep through a town yesterday. It was bleating happily. Awesome.
So... the stories are true then?
No; the sheep wasn't scared.
Quote from: MiataJohn on May 23, 2012, 09:51:26 AM
Why would it be gummy/soft? Rustoleum isn't that way when used on anything else.
Yes it is. All cheap enamel paint is.
Got the paint on. Looks OK for not having clear on the panel.
Got the clear on.
It's a rough surface, so I need to make it not rough. Buffing compound? Wet sanding?
Psh, never mind. I had to re-do the color coat.
I dunno, the paint shop is looking pretty good.
Quote from: Rupert on June 03, 2012, 05:29:03 PM
I dunno, the paint shop is looking pretty good.
LOL Sorry it's such a hassle. My thread would be 3x longer trying to fix the paint on subie though....
(Front bumper cover has been scratched a few times, paint is starting to flake off.)
Yeah...
I put clear on (again) today, and it looks better. I think it needs one more good wet coat, and then I can move on to the side trim thing. That should be a lot easier.
Also got the rest of the gaskets on the door handles/mirrors replaced. That's cool.
y u no pichurs
'Cause it looks like shit!
I'll post one when it's done. I'm bad at remembering to take photos. :P
Alrighty, it's done, and it doesn't completely suck! I'd call it a solid 10 foot job, at least in the right light. I bet most people won't be able to find the spot without getting up really close. The color turned out to be pretty good.
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg405/scaled.php?server=405&filename=dsc0019gp.jpg&res=landing)
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg339/scaled.php?server=339&filename=dsc0020fy.jpg&res=landing)
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg204/scaled.php?server=204&filename=dsc0022gwy.jpg&res=landing)
I definitely learned a lot about painting and stuff, particularly that it's gonna look a lot worse before it gets better. It would have been easier with a non-metallic color. I should have dove in two-feet first and just removed a bunch more paint than I did.
Damn, that looks good. Was it on the outer edge/corner of the top of the rear quarter? I'm having trouble seeing it at all in the pics.
Green was the original damaged area, orange is what ended up getting painted, roughly:
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1319/dsc00202zp.jpg)
Thanks! I think it great at 10 ft in the sun. We'll see what it's like under street lights and stuff.
Nice job!
Thanks! :lol: :praise:
Oh, now I can tell... :P
How much polishing work have you done on it? That might blend it in more...
Well, it's got a clear coat on it, and it's a metallic paint, which apparently shouldn't be polished. Like I said, it would have been a lot easier with non-metallic paint.
I'm at least happy with it for a while, before I go crazy and paint the whole car.
I've polished many metallic cars, but not with fresh paint. I feel like it helps the metallic flake really pop.
Which is fine if it's the whole car and not just one panel.
Quote from: Rupert on June 27, 2012, 11:51:36 AM
Which is fine if it's the whole car and not just one panel.
So...polish the whole car?
The rest of the was already under clear coat.
Quote from: Rupert on June 27, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
The rest of the was already under clear coat.
Do it anyway to make it look better and get rid of the swirls?
What swirls?
Quote from: Rupert on June 27, 2012, 08:02:27 PM
What swirls?
:rage:
BUFF THE CAR. MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.
NO IT IS FINE.
Some "before" pictures would be boffo.
Don't have them. I was gonna do it, but then I forgot.
Quote from: Rupert on June 28, 2012, 01:56:54 AM
Don't have them. I was gonna do it, but then I forgot.
Go undo your paint job so we can see.
Don't think Porsche put a Ctrl-Z button on the car... It was made in the '80s, after all.
I'm curious about cracky whacky dashboard now.
Dashboard looks pretty bad. Marginally better than it was before, but still pretty bad. I'm thinking of getting some kind of vinyl wrap for it, like this: http://www.rvinyl.com/Leather-Vinyl-Film-Wrap-Black.html (http://www.rvinyl.com/Leather-Vinyl-Film-Wrap-Black.html).
Got a pic of your IP? I forget what 944 IP's look like.
I'd highly advise against that stuff. If your IP has any contours to it, it's going to look like garbage. Let me design a sexy polyurethane skin for it! Put some contrasting french seams all over it in the same color as the exterior :lol:
IP? Speak English, man! :lol:
The advantage of the wrap is I can apply it with the dash in the car. If I have to pull the dash, I'll just get a new one or get mine properly wrapped in actual leather.
Quote from: Rupert on June 28, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
IP? Speak English, man! :lol:
The advantage of the wrap is I can apply it with the dash in the car. If I have to pull the dash, I'll just get a new one or get mine properly wrapped in actual leather.
IP = Instrument panel.
Real leather is crazy expensive, btw. Probably looking at over $125 just for the material. It's really difficult to work with too. I doubt you'd even be able to find someone who'd do it for you.
If it's cracked, how is a razor thing vinyl wrap going to cover that? It'll show right through.
Ah.
(http://www.flyron.com/944/08_944dash.jpg)
http://www.classic9leathershop.com/ (http://www.classic9leathershop.com/)
That guy has a leather dash kit for the 944, and will install it for you. Of course, it's big time $Texas.
Cracks are filled, and I can level out the surface further.
So it's just those small vertical cracks? That's not too bad. I think those vinyl wraps are cheesy, but your call :lol:
Hard to tell from the picture, but getting that on there completely smooth looks to be quite a challenge.
It would be $600 for vinyl/$700 for leather + ~$200 shipping + time for me to remove and install the dash. Not completely ridiculous, but still $$$.
Quote from: MrH on June 28, 2012, 02:32:57 PM
So it's just those small vertical cracks? That's not too bad. I think those vinyl wraps are cheesy, but your call :lol:
Hard to tell from the picture, but getting that on there completely smooth looks to be quite a challenge.
No, that's not actually my dash. Mine has got much worse cracks than that, but that is the style and color.
That are a little cheesy, for sure. Less cheesy than the plastic cover they sell, for sure. I'm not sure what would look best, other than the expensive method, above. I wish someone made a vinyl cover kit like those carpet cover kits. (*hint* Mr. Interior Man!).
Quote from: Rupert on June 28, 2012, 02:36:54 PM
It would be $600 for vinyl/$700 for leather + ~$200 shipping + time for me to remove and install the dash. Not completely ridiculous, but still $$$.
No, that's not actually my dash. Mine has got much worse cracks than that, but that is the style and color.
That are a little cheesy, for sure. Less cheesy than the plastic cover they sell, for sure. I'm not sure what would look best, other than the expensive method, above. I wish someone made a vinyl cover kit like those carpet cover kits. (*hint* Mr. Interior Man!).
$600 for vinyl?! Lolz.
I do have access to a ton of stuff, and I just spent all day wrapping prototype parts for a soon-to-be-released vehicle (check the blog at 12:01 AM April 9th, 2013 for details!)...
Difficult to do without having any 3D CAD data for your car though. If I had it physically in front of me I could probably get something to work.
Quote from: Rupert on June 28, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
IP? Speak English, man! :lol:
Industry terms. What a fancy pants. :lol:
Quote from: MrH on June 28, 2012, 03:04:49 PM
$600 for vinyl?! Lolz.
I do have access to a ton of stuff, and I just spent all day wrapping prototype parts for a soon-to-be-released vehicle (check the blog at 12:01 AM April 9th, 2013 for details!)...
Difficult to do without having any 3D CAD data for your car though.
No, $280 or something for the vinyl, $600 for the vinyl installed. I would probably spring for leather, anyway.
And I wouldn't have a clue where to get CAD data for this (or any) car.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 28, 2012, 03:06:33 PM
Industry terms. What a fancy pants. :lol:
Heh, just be glad I don't spring GOV acronyms on you guys every chance I get... :lol:
Quote from: Rupert on June 28, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
Heh, just be glad I don't spring GOV acronyms on you guys every chance I get... :lol:
Yeah, and if I say the photometrics on this rear combi RR are no good, you might be confused too.
Quote from: Rupert on June 28, 2012, 03:11:12 PM
No, $280 or something for the vinyl, $600 for the vinyl installed. I would probably spring for leather, anyway.
And I wouldn't have a clue where to get CAD data for this (or any) car.
From Porsche :lol: Actually, was 3D CAD even around when they designed your car?
$280 for vinyl is still outrageous for price. Vinyl is the basement bin of materials for car interiors for the most part. I guess if you're buying in small batches, but still...I would have guessed $40-$50 in material at most.
Quote from: MrH on June 28, 2012, 03:14:15 PM
From Porsche :lol: Actually, was 3D CAD even around when they designed your car?
Yes. But it sucked.
Quote from: MrH on June 28, 2012, 03:14:15 PM
From Porsche :lol: Actually, was 3D CAD even around when they designed your car?
$280 for vinyl is still outrageous for price. Vinyl is the basement bin of materials for car interiors for the most part. I guess if you're buying in small batches, but still...I would have guessed $40-$50 in material at most.
I assume it's nice vinyl, and it is sewn into a particular shape. So, $70 material (still a lot), two hours cutting and sewing, and I think these are all made to order. I don't think it's ridiculous, but it is obviously not cheap.
Go call Porsche! :lol:
what's his sew lines look like? Did you find a pic of a 944 he's done? I can't navigate his website designed by a 12 year old in '98.
Yeah, it's a shiiittty website. If I were any good at making websites, I'd offer a trade for the public good. Yeesh.
There are some photos, and it all looks good. Sew lines are clean and straight. I got a leather console cover from him, and it's really nice (though the color is ever so slightly off).