This isn't super well thought-out, so please, feel free to question my premises and come up with alternative solutions.
We have a 2006 Accord 5MT with 50k miles and the TSX Wagon 5AT, which still smells kind of new.
Situation: Boyfriend's commute is pretty long, about 15 miles, and the traffic along his commute is sometimes really really bad. In spite of his Frenchness, he has discovered the joy of autotragics for stop-and-go commuting. Thanks to my back, I also like autotragics as well. My commute is pretty short, only 5mi.
Problem: we both prefer automatics for our commutes, but have only one automatic car. My back's needs trump convenience, so I end up drive the TSX to work, but I definitely perceive that my BF would much rather be driving the TSX instead. I would rather not have stupid cars be a source of strain in our relationship so I think we need to do something about the Accord.
We tried carpooling for a month, and sometimes it works, and sometimes it really doesn't - on days where he has to work long days and the traffic sucks, I end up staying at work from 8AM to 7PM, which really isn't good for my work/life balance.
So... suggestions? Whatever car I end up driving is going to need nice seats with good lumbar support and side bolsters. Adjustible seat height is a big plus. And hopefully my back will get better SOMEtime (knocks on wood) so maybe have a car that isn't a total snooze to drive either. Cargo utility is not important, that's already served by the TSX. Budget is pretty wide open. If the car is going to be a fun one, like a convertible ______, then I'd be willing to spend more. Maybe ~$30k as an upper limit. If I were to get a cheap comfortable economy car runabout, obviously I would prefer to spend less. Used is OK by me.
Fun car choices ($30k limit)
Mustang V6 convertible
Economical car choices ($15k limit)
500
New/used Mercedes W204 C-Class? You mentioned the budget ain't that important. A C300 sounds perfect for your needs. A comfortable and safe car.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 10, 2012, 02:44:27 PM
New/used Mercedes W204 C-Class? You mentioned the budget ain't that important. A C300 sounds perfect for your needs. A comfortable and safe car.
C250 gets better MPG.
About the very best seats in the business come from CJ's favourite brand, Volvo.
So, how about an S60 T6? that's a nice car. A very nice car. or if you want a convertible, the C70 is not bad, either.
Or go down the Audi route, and look at an S4 or S5 cabrio? they all come with the DSG now.
For comfortable seats, go with an S60 T5.
A German medical organisation stated that the optional seat in the Opel Insignia is the best one can buy in terms of back support. Not sure if that translates to the Buick Regal.
Quote from: CJ on June 10, 2012, 02:47:14 PM
C250 gets better MPG.
Do you get the C250 in the US? I thought the C300 was the smallest engine you could get in America.
I know the C250 CDI might make it over, but the C250? Interesting...
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 10, 2012, 03:02:17 PM
Do you get the C250 in the US? I thought the C300 was the smallest engine you could get in America.
I know the C250 CDI might make it over, but the C250? Interesting...
C250 is available here, yes.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 10, 2012, 03:02:17 PM
Do you get the C250 in the US? I thought the C300 was the smallest engine you could get in America.
I know the C250 CDI might make it over, but the C250? Interesting...
Yes, we get the C250. I suspect as a bid to lure A4 2.0T, Infiniti G25 and IS250 buyers.
Just throwing this out there: how comfortable are Fiat 500s?
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
Just throwing this out there: how comfortable are Fiat 500s?
How much do you want to fit the stereotype... :devil:
Mustang V6 convertible. 31 mpg, great seats, great looks, fast as hell, and convertible.
Fiat 500 Abarth
Mmmm.... another TSX, but sedan? :lol:
[INTERNET]Mustang GT, CTS-V, used M5, 996 Carrera[/INTERNET]
Quote from: SVT666 on June 10, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
Fiat 500 Abarth
Abarth doesn't come with an automatic, does it? And the regular auto 500 is reportedly painfully slow.
S60 T5
Wait. Buick Verano Turbo. Should be out late summer or so.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 10, 2012, 03:31:34 PM
Mustang V6 convertible. 31 mpg, great seats, great looks, fast as hell, and convertible.
Rich (HRP) said the driving position on his GT is pretty awful. But I guess I can add that to my list of cars to try.
Quote from: SVT_Power on June 10, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
How much do you want to fit the stereotype... :devil:
I don't give a shit about stereotypes.
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
Just throwing this out there: how comfortable are Fiat 500s?
Very, but the automatic is geared retardedly.
Kia Rio.
Oh, re: Buick Verano, TSX sedan - thanks for the suggestions, but they are a little too much like the TSX. It's a fine car, don't get me wrong, but it would be nice to have a better diversity of cars in our stable.
If the next car takes premium gas, then it had better well provide commensurate excitement as well. I'm kind of miffed about the TSX wagon drinking premium but "only" providing 200hp. I would rather have a V6 that takes regular.
New Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost.
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 04:06:36 PM
Oh, re: Buick Verano, TSX sedan - thanks for the suggestions, but they are a little too much like the TSX. It's a fine car, don't get me wrong, but it would be nice to have a better diversity of cars in our stable.
If the next car takes premium gas, then it had better well provide commensurate excitement as well. I'm kind of miffed about the TSX wagon drinking premium but "only" providing 200hp. I would rather have a V6 that takes regular.
Volvo S80 V8.
certified used 128i (god like seats), Dodge Challenger
Wait for the Focus ST this fall.
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 04:00:36 PM
Rich (HRP) said the driving position on his GT is pretty awful. But I guess I can add that to my list of cars to try.
Really? I thought the driving position was great. A million times better than the 2004 I drove and 10 million times better than my 1996 GT.
(http://server2.texasdirectauto.com/south_pics/JH4KB26699C002429/004_0004.jpg)
:huh:
Quote from: SVT666 on June 10, 2012, 04:28:05 PM
Really? I thought the driving position was great. A million times better than the 2004 I drove and 10 million times better than my 1996 GT.
The position is great, but the seats suck after a couple of hours behind the wheel.
I can drive all day in the Miata and the only thing that aches is my right foot if I don't use cruise.
I get a couple hours into the drive in the Mustang and mid-lower back hurts every time. I've tried 3-4 totally different positions and changed the lumbar adjust, but no dice. I think it's just the curvature on the seat back and that the lumbar is too high. I get in the Miata and just feel like, damn, I'm in heaven.
(http://www.volvocars.com/us/all-cars/volvo-c30/PublishingImages/R013-C30-Exterior-013.jpg)
:huh:
Most comfortable seats I've ever experienced, for what it's worth.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on June 10, 2012, 04:33:22 PM
The position is great, but the seats suck after a couple of hours behind the wheel.
I can drive all day in the Miata and the only thing that aches is my right foot if I don't use cruise.
I get a couple hours into the drive in the Mustang and mid-lower back hurts every time. I've tried 3-4 totally different positions and changed the lumbar adjust, but no dice. I think it's just the curvature on the seat back and that the lumbar is too high. I get in the Miata and just feel like, damn, I'm in heaven.
Can't say I've had that problem, and I did a 12 hour day of driving last summer. No backaches or stiffness at all. My biggest seat complaint is the forward canted angle that the headrests are at.
Used C6.
Quote from: Lebowski on June 10, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
Used C6.
I've always thought Corvette seats were terrible?
Quote from: CJ on June 10, 2012, 05:06:56 PM
I've always thought Corvette seats were terrible?
Have you sat in them? The complaints about the Corvette seats in the magazines is that they flex and don't really support you as well as they should during hard (track) driving.
Guess I mentally blocked the good seats requirement. Fwiw I don't think the seats are terrible, but it might not be the best choice for a bad back (sit in one and see).
Still, you already have a practical car so I say get something fun.
Yeah, I want to get something fun, but my back puts a huge dampener on that. :P
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 04:17:00 PM
A ridiculous car.
???
New Fiesta is coming in the Fall, and it'll be powered by the 1.0L ecoboost....it's also sharper to drive than the Rio.
Not joking:
Prius C.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 06:06:40 PM
???
New Fiesta is coming in the Fall, and it'll be powered by the 1.0L ecoboost....it's also sharper to drive than the Rio.
What's the point of paying more money for a smaller turbo engine, when you can get a car that'll run more reliably with a more conventional larger NA engine, for less money?
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 06:14:52 PM
What's the point of paying more money for a smaller turbo engine, when you can get a car that'll run more reliably with a more conventional larger NA engine, for less money?
It's a new car under warranty, and it'll likely give better economy. Also, everyone in Europe seems to be raving over the engine in the Focus.
Quote from: CJ on June 10, 2012, 03:12:01 PM
C250 is available here, yes.
Quote from: MX793 on June 10, 2012, 03:12:32 PM
Yes, we get the C250. I suspect as a bid to lure A4 2.0T, Infiniti G25 and IS250 buyers.
Cool. A nicer alternative to the C300.
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 04:02:11 PM
I don't give a shit about stereotypes.
Get this.
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2012/04/08/13/29/2012_ford_f-450_super_duty_king_ranch_crew_cab_8ft_bed_drw_4wd-pic-8337174044162870761.jpeg)
Then you don't need house. You can travel all over the USA and live in the trailer! :praise:
Slightly used G37x sedan. Loads of 'em in area with 40k or less and in the $25k - $28k range. Same size as a 7th gen Accord, decent performance, snow weather ready. Sure she'll eat a bit of gas (I'M averaging ~22 mpg mixed) but meh, worth it.
DTS
Quote from: GoCougs on June 10, 2012, 06:42:32 PM
Slightly used G37x sedan. Loads of 'em in area with 40k or less and in the $25k - $28k range. Same size as a 7th gen Accord, decent performance, snow weather ready. Sure she'll eat a bit of gas (I'M averaging ~22 mpg mixed) but meh, worth it.
He already said he's not looking for a car that is similar to the Acura.
I WIN
REMEMBER ME?????
(http://www.roadfly.com/new-cars/wp-content/uploads/gallery/2007-jaguar-xk-convertible/2007-jaguar-xk-convertible.jpg)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-Mercedes-Benz-E350-4Matic-Low-Miles-/270989641707?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f183dc7eb#ht_500wt_1182
Quote from: 68_427 on June 10, 2012, 09:14:30 PM
I WIN
REMEMBER ME?????
(http://www.roadfly.com/new-cars/wp-content/uploads/gallery/2007-jaguar-xk-convertible/2007-jaguar-xk-convertible.jpg)
Yep, win times a billion.
And if not one of those, then one of the previous gen.
Honestly, i think the choice is clear. A GTI is the best fit for you. I think I've been in just about every car on the market for work, and the GTI is towards the top for my favorite seats. And the DSG is damn good. If I had to get an auto, I'd rather have that dsg than anything else. Maybe too similar having two hatches though?
Off the wall suggestion....BRZ! Great seats, great ammenities, great fun.
C70 T5 or Eos too
Quote from: MrH on June 10, 2012, 09:43:25 PM
Honestly, i think the choice is clear. A GTI is the best fit for you. I think I've been in just about every car on the market for work, and the GTI is towards the top for my favorite seats. And the DSG is damn good. If I had to get an auto, I'd rather have that dsg than anything else. Maybe too similar having two hatches though?
Off the wall suggestion....BRZ! Great seats, great ammenities, great fun.
Saw a blue BRZ yesterday.
The C70 does have excellent seats.
Veloster? It's really boring, and the ingress-egress is awkward.
Turbo RDX, or some similar crossover thing that you can slide straight into without breaking your back.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/01/moparchallengerdetroit_lead.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on June 10, 2012, 09:43:25 PM
Honestly, i think the choice is clear. A GTI is the best fit for you. I think I've been in just about every car on the market for work, and the GTI is towards the top for my favorite seats. And the DSG is damn good. If I had to get an auto, I'd rather have that dsg than anything else. Maybe too similar having two hatches though?
Off the wall suggestion....BRZ! Great seats, great ammenities, great fun.
Are the seats height adjustable?
(http://www.toyota-global.com/innovation/personal_mobility/images/personal_mobility_ireal_img01.png)
Hmm, XK... How reliable, or rather, how unreliable are they? Jaguars don't exactly fill me with confidence.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 10:47:03 PM
(http://www.toyota-global.com/innovation/personal_mobility/images/personal_mobility_ireal_img01.png)
Only if I can use it to communicate with beeps.
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 10:46:36 PM
Are the seats height adjustable?
In the BRZ? Yes. Pretty sure they are in the GTI too, not positive though.
No adjustable lumbar support though.
Well, the lumbar support in most cars is so shitty/misplaced that I don't even use it to begin with. :facepalm:
Not joking
(http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2012/05/2012-Scion-iQ-front-three-quarter-623x389.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 10:51:31 PM
Well, the lumbar support in most cars is so shitty/misplaced that I don't even use it to begin with. :facepalm:
Is it just me, or is the "lumbar support" always way too high?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 10, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
Is it just me, or is the "lumbar support" always way too high?
Yes
Quote from: MrH on June 10, 2012, 10:50:56 PM
In the BRZ? Yes. Pretty sure they are in the GTI too, not positive though.
No adjustable lumbar support though.
Is the BRZ any fun with an automatic?
I still say Challenger.
I do like the Challenger, but there are no Challenging convertibles out there.
Driving a manual hurts your back?
Not calling you out or anything, just didn't associate the two causing problems...
Can you get a Jetta GLI with a DSG if you don't want another hatch? MrH is right, I think if I were going with an auto, I'd get a DSG and the VW is one of the few you can get a DSG with.
Also, way out there, but NC Miata? The 6 speed auto is supposedly excellent in that car (although miata.net is full of old people so I dunno how fun it really is), used ones with autos are much cheaper than manuals, and its reliable, good mpg and comes with nice creature comforts. Never had a problem with the seats either (though I have the base cloth seats, I don't know how the leather ones compare).
The low entry and exit may be a problem though, but you've already had an NA so maybe it'd work...
Quote from: 2o6 on June 10, 2012, 10:52:26 PM
Not joking
(http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2012/05/2012-Scion-iQ-front-three-quarter-623x389.jpg)
That thing is a penalty box.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 10, 2012, 11:04:12 PM
Driving a manual hurts your back?
Not calling you out or anything, just didn't associate the two causing problems...
Can you get a Jetta GLI with a DSG if you don't want another hatch? MrH is right, I think if I were going with an auto, I'd get a DSG and the VW is one of the few you can get a DSG with.
When my hamstrings are tight, using the clutch pulls my lower back.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 10, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
Also, way out there, but NC Miata? The 6 speed auto is supposedly excellent in that car (although miata.net is full of old people so I dunno how fun it really is), used ones with autos are much cheaper than manuals, and its reliable, good mpg and comes with nice creature comforts. Never had a problem with the seats either (though I have the base cloth seats, I don't know how the leather ones compare).
The low entry and exit may be a problem though, but you've already had an NA so maybe it'd work...
I haven't tried one in years. That might be a good idea.
If it's too low, you can always fix it.
(http://www.paul-davis.com/vehicles/miata/white4x4.jpg)
My initial thought after reading this was VW Eos.
Quote from: TurboDan on June 10, 2012, 11:50:10 PM
My initial thought after reading this was VW Eos.
Power seats, DSG, hardtop vert (good for all the times you have to use it with the top up in Seattle). Not sure if the seating position is too low, but it wouldn't hurt to try it out.
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 11:12:47 PM
When my hamstrings are tight, using the clutch pulls my lower back.
You don't need a new car, you just need some good drugs! :ohyeah:
Quote from: MrH on June 10, 2012, 09:43:25 PM
Honestly, i think the choice is clear. A GTI is the best fit for you. I think I've been in just about every car on the market for work, and the GTI is towards the top for my favorite seats. And the DSG is damn good. If I had to get an auto, I'd rather have that dsg than anything else. Maybe too similar having two hatches though?
Off the wall suggestion....BRZ! Great seats, great ammenities, great fun.
This man knows what he's talking about.
My mom has pretty bad back problems, she's actually commented on how my car's seats are the most comfortable she's used. Moreso than my dad's E60, my sister's TSX or her A4.
Nobody has mentioned the most sensible and logical choice yet.
Let me be the one to do that. :ohyeah:
(http://www.productioncars.com/send_file.php/dodge_aspen_special_edition_red_1976.jpg)
Jag do Autos well and a 3 year old approved used XF would be in budget.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on June 11, 2012, 12:29:13 AM
Power seats, DSG, hardtop vert (good for all the times you have to use it with the top up in Seattle). Not sure if the seating position is too low, but it wouldn't hurt to try it out.
Seems like its just a more expensive, not as fun version of the Miata,which can also be had with a PRHT...
Get rid of the TSX and get another manual car. Then there will be no conflict with your BF and you can avoid being an unthusiast. Comfort be damned.
I second the EOS. Despite the jumpy throttle tip-in, it's a nice car. Not very sporty, but it's nice and very comfortable.
I really hate the EOS with a passion. I?d rather have a Beetle convertible. That?s how much I hate the EOS right there!
Quote from: thecarnut on June 11, 2012, 09:36:41 AM
Seems like its just a more expensive, not as fun version of the Miata,which can also be had with a PRHT...
Yeah that whole available with power seats, a DSG, and space behind the seat to move it around with legroom makes it just a worse imitation of a Miata. Not to mention the seating position is higher (easier ingress/egress)
I know it's not as fun, but for someone with back problems I can see it being a whole lot easier to live with.
And more enjoyable than having a second hatch/wagon thing in the household.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 11, 2012, 09:36:41 AM
Seems like its just a more expensive, not as fun version of the Miata,which can also be had with a PRHT...
Except the Miata's seats are horrible, it's cramped, and reaaaaally low to the ground. For a bad back, I don't know if I can think of a worse car.
And for all you people saying the lumbar support is too high?! They've all been too low for me. What cars are you driving?
Quote from: MrH on June 11, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
Except the Miata's seats are horrible, it's cramped, and reaaaaally low to the ground. For a bad back, I don't know if I can think of a worse car.
And for all you people saying the lumbar support is too high?! They've all been too low for me. What cars are you driving?
You have a long torso too
Eos is a v nice car for the fun option n can be frugal too
I drove a 2000 Cadillac Sedan Deville today, and I just have to recommend it. Very classy.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2012, 11:32:26 AM
I drove a 2000 Cadillac Sedan Deville today, and I just have to recommend it. Very classy.
I hope for your sake that the paint was pearlescent.
Quote from: Laconian on June 11, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
I hope for your sake that the paint was pearlescent.
Pearlescent crystal white cloud, I believe.
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 10:47:27 PM
Hmm, XK... How reliable, or rather, how unreliable are they? Jaguars don't exactly fill me with confidence.
Hit or miss, like every luxury automobile. There's also the BMW 645 and such. S4 convertible.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 11, 2012, 12:07:13 PM
Hit or miss, like every luxury automobile. There's also the BMW 645 and such. S4 convertible.
Bullshit, tuna. Get a V8Q and have spotless reliability.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 11, 2012, 12:07:13 PM
Hit or miss, like every luxury automobile. There's also the BMW 645 and such. S4 convertible.
I think the residuals of the latter two are too high. Everybody wants BMWs and Audis; nobody wants Jags.
XK is really something though. I love their looks.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 11, 2012, 11:53:09 AM
Pearlescent crystal white cloud, I believe.
I fucks with the pearl;. I want to redo my bike in Deville White
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 11, 2012, 12:22:23 PM
I fucks with the pearl;. I want to redo my bike in Deville White
Fuck yeah. I want to do my bike in butt pirate black pearl.
Someone I know in Austria is selling this baby on his Facebook account. 1968 Pontiac LeMans. HISTORY & HERITAGE. Do it. Do it. Do it.
Newly inspected and repaired engine. 18,000 Euros asking price.
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/318221_3376917309896_1213369259_n.jpg)
That car would be like $3K here.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 11, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
That car would be like $3K here.
If that. Not too much demand for them.
Quote from: Laconian on June 11, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
I hope for your sake that the paint was pearlescent.
Holy shit. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time! I can't believe I forgot about that dude.
Perhaps only "Taurus Troll" was funnier during the old C&D days. :lol:
Quote from: 68_427 on June 11, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
That car would be like $3K here.
But would it be advertised as a cheap shitbox or classic car in America? It's a classic car here, hence the price.
Left field
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/media/images/rt_cadillac-sts-v_lead1/1574154-1-eng-US/rt_cadillac-sts-v_lead1.jpg)
yeah baby oh yeah
(http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/04/23/004686.1-lg.jpg)
Might as well be a G
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-G37-CONVERTIBLE-SPORT-HEATED-SEATS-REAR-CAMERA-XM-VDC-WHITE-STONE-/300724541101?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item46049456ad
Perfect.
IS250C? I'm assuming the E93 would be out of your price range?
Why on earth would anyone get an IS over a G37.
But seriously, kinda like a Japanese XJ
(http://img.vast.com/original/-4385935784524819199_5)
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
Just throwing this out there: how comfortable are Fiat 500s?
Don't get one with an automatic. What about an A3 with DSG?
Nissan Juke AWD?
Quote from: 68_427 on June 13, 2012, 07:53:09 PM
Why on earth would anyone get an IS over a G37.
But seriously, kinda like a Japanese XJ
(http://img.vast.com/original/-4385935784524819199_5)
Better interior, superior dealership/aftersales experience?
Quote from: Raza on June 20, 2012, 10:32:51 AM
Don't get one with an automatic. What about an A3 with DSG?
Not a good used buy unless you have a long and comprehensive warranty. If the DSG 'box goes wrong, you're talking big money
Quote from: 2o6 on June 20, 2012, 12:59:11 PM
Nissan Juke AWD?
(http://www.stonewylde.com/smilies/puke.gif)
Why not get the new ILX? It doesn't look horrible and it isn't a TSX.
Quote from: Xer0 on June 26, 2012, 02:50:16 PM
Why not get the new ILX? It doesn't look horrible and it isn't a TSX.
Civic in drag, less useful and sporty than a TSX.
Kevin, which car do you take all the scuba gear in? Does the Spielwagen handle it all?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 20, 2012, 01:29:02 PM
Not a good used buy unless you have a long and comprehensive warranty. If the DSG 'box goes wrong, you're talking big money
Really? Why? Isn't it just a manual with two clutches? How can it be more expensive to repair or replace than an automatic?
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2012, 02:37:35 PM
This isn't super well thought-out, so please, feel free to question my premises and come up with alternative solutions.
Oh, well then... BRRRRRRRRRRRZ
Quote from: Raza on June 27, 2012, 04:43:33 AM
Really? Why? Isn't it just a manual with two clutches? How can it be more expensive to repair or replace than an automatic?
I haven't seen the numbers on that either, so unless someone can get some hard (and throbbing) facts on the matter I'll consider it bunk.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 26, 2012, 10:44:43 PM
Civic in drag, less useful and sporty than a TSX.
Having actually driven an ILX 6-speed, I can tell you that it is a much better car than the TSX. Better interior, better steering, better drive. Brilliant car.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 26, 2012, 10:44:43 PM
Civic in drag, less useful and sporty than a TSX.
The Civic is a good platform with a shitty interior which the ILX fixes. It also actually looks pretty good (better then the TSX, IMO). Less sporty is subjective, they are both more sporty then his old Accord. Less useful is also a dumb comment considering he already has a pretty useful wagon and it?s not like the ILX is a tiny sardine that he can't fit anything inside. He already mentioned liking the TSX but not wanting a sedan since he would then have the same car (and I agree, that would be boring). The ILX has much of the same virtues of the TSX sedan while not being the same car.
From the reviews, it seems that the 2.4-liter ILX is a great successor to the original TSX, but the 2.4-liter is manual-only and the other engines are pretty weak for a premium car.
Quote from: Raza on June 27, 2012, 04:43:33 AM
Really? Why? Isn't it just a manual with two clutches? How can it be more expensive to repair or replace than an automatic?
Heard a lot about mechatronic units failing and being expensive (4-figures) to replace out of warranty. And generally they are more complex than a traditional manual/auto. I don't have any empirical evidence but I wouldn't be confident about my money into one that was out of warranty
When I was was contemplating a GTI I did research on DSG maintenance and replacement costs. Don't have the links in front of me now but it was WAY more than a regular auto or M/T. Service is also frequent and very expensive. It's cool tech, and I would like to own one some day, but wow, I'm gonna have to be ready for it. Perhaps if/when more are made costs will come down...
Quote from: Xer0 on June 27, 2012, 09:31:23 AM
The Civic is a good platform with a shitty interior which the ILX fixes. It also actually looks pretty good (better then the TSX, IMO). Less sporty is subjective, they are both more sporty then his old Accord. Less useful is also a dumb comment considering he already has a pretty useful wagon and it?s not like the ILX is a tiny sardine that he can't fit anything inside. He already mentioned liking the TSX but not wanting a sedan since he would then have the same car (and I agree, that would be boring). The ILX has much of the same virtues of the TSX sedan while not being the same car.
I dunno, it's still a FWD Acura sedan. Just seems like buying a TSX all over again.
A cornucopia of cars test driven today:
Fiat 500C 6AT
Fiat 500 5MT
Both the Fiats were a lot of fun to drive. I noticed that the AT sucked a lot of life out of the 500C, which was already burdened by having the salesperson in the back seat (3 people is a lot to ask of such a small motor.) Steering feel was very nice once Sport mode was engaged - lots of heft, perhaps too much so?
The 5MT gave the car a lot of verve and was actually somewhat comfortable once I had adjusted the seat properly. I liked how zingy the motor was and how it could be revved to an inch of its life without breaking the speed limits (which was NOT the case for some of the other cars we drove today!) The clutch engagement point was remarkably high and took some getting used to, but once I had adjusted, it was actually quite easy and low effort to use. I don't know why the pedal has so much travel when only the top 15% is actually used. :lol:
The 500C convertible roof was interesting. The roof rails kept it from providing a true, liberating convertible experience. It was more like a really big sunroof. I suppose there are some pros to be had with that - wind buffeting was significantly lower in the 500 versus the Mustang or the MX5.
Mazda MX-5 NC PRHT
So much fun, so much sadness. I love this car to death and I can't drive it for more than 15 minutes without being in pain. Sucks.
Kia Rio hatchback 6AT
This is my shot at going for the "cheap and cheerful" category. Car felt very stable and quiet, but it was underpowered and the seats were uncomfortable. The economy numbers and price were appealing -- I'm sure it's a good appliance, but it's not a very interesting car overall.
2012 Mustang convertible V6
The V6 had plenty of power, more than enough to compensate for the parasitic automatic transmission. The "convertibleness" was very good too, almost as good as the MX5, and certainly better than the 500C's. Seats were comfortable, and I found that the Premium trim level's lumbar adjustment actually made them *very* good. I only wish the steering was less overboosted, and that the steering wheel was telescoping. Otherwise, a compelling choice.
Infiniti G37S sedan
Wow wow wow. Blew my socks off. Illegal speeds are yours in a fraction of a second. The power and the steering definitely emasculated the TSX. But unfortunately the car would be redundant with the TSX. A possible future replacement for that car, perhaps. But not a suitable car purchase for now. The convertible G-series is too expensive and too new to be found on the used market, and besides, the windowsills are way too fucking high.
Upcoming test drives:
Mini - wasn't considering it before, but as long as I'm looking at the 500, I might as well consider its arch-rival.
BMW 3-series cabriolet
Volvo C70
VW GTI
BMW Z4
???
I love the Fiat 500. That car had me crunching numbers before I bought my Yaris. It was just too small and too expensive for me.
If you're still considering "cheap and cheerful" the Mazda 2 and Fiesta blend what I liked about the 500 and what I liked about the Rio in one package.
For some reason, I expect the 2 to have shitty seats. I don't know why I believe this.
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
For some reason, I expect the 2 to have shitty seats. I don't know why I believe this.
Get inside and check it out. I found the Mazda 2's driving position and seats to be better than the Fiesta. Mazda 2 also seemed like it had a bigger rear seat.
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
For some reason, I expect the 2 to have shitty seats. I don't know why I believe this.
The 2 has better seats than the Rio or Fiesta -- those two have flat, thin cushions.
If it helps any, dealers are practically giving away Mazda 2's. I looked at a two-year old Elantra touring for 12.5K (pre-yaris, pre budget cut) and the dealer tried to upsell me into a Mazda 2 sport for 13,100. That price was before any incentives, discounts or haggling.
Damn, sucks about the Miata. :cry:
Also, I feel like getting a 2 or Fiesta would be silly as the autos seem terrible with such small engines but you don't want a manual... so....
Quote from: thecarnut on July 07, 2012, 09:12:19 PM
Damn, sucks about the Miata. :cry:
Also, I feel like getting a 2 or Fiesta would be silly as the autos seem terrible with such small engines but you don't want a manual... so....
Mazda 2 - Maybe.
The automatic Fiesta I drove did just fine. Keep in mind this car is for commuting (right!?)
Given my emphasis on comfort and enjoyment over price and economy, is the Mazda2 a better choice than the Mazda3?
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:14:22 PM
Given my emphasis on comfort and enjoyment over price and economy, is the Mazda2 a better choice than the Mazda3?
Depends on how you find their respective seating positions. The Mazda2's is higher and more upright.
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:14:22 PM
Given my emphasis on comfort and enjoyment over price and economy, is the Mazda2 a better choice than the Mazda3?
If you're going to go that route, consider the Chevy Cruze.
Yes, it's for commuting, though the commute itself is only 4 miles and pretty damn easy.
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:16:39 PM
Yes, it's for commuting, though the commute itself is only 4 miles and pretty damn easy.
Prius Plug-In?
Quote from: 2o6 on July 07, 2012, 09:13:23 PM
Mazda 2 - Maybe.
The automatic Fiesta I drove did just fine. Keep in mind this car is for commuting (right!?)
Yeah but considering they were looking at cars like the G and have a theoretical $30k limit, is it a good idea to settle for "good enough"?
Drive a C70. They're really pretty good.
Renault Medallion?
Quote from: 2o6 on July 07, 2012, 09:16:59 PM
Prius Plug-In?
I'm not an unthusiast. :lol: Driving the MX5 reminded me of how wonderful it is to drive a sportscar. I need to find a way to get that feeling again. The G actually came close to the levels of feedback of the that car, hence why the 3-series cabriolet is interesting -- perhaps a sports coupe is my salvation...
Oh, also: I stopped by the Toyota/Scion dealership and asked about the FR-S. They didn't have any in stock, but they said I could look at an employee's FR-S if I wanted to see what it looked like. Sure, why not - I hadn't seen any in person before. Wow, it looked amazing! And, wow, it is low to the ground! Unbelievably so! Definitely a non-starter.
Quote from: CJ on July 07, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Drive a C70. They're really pretty good.
That's not a bad choice for Seattle weather, actually. Hmm.
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=88856497&listingRecNum=5&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26alMdId%3D20751%26mkId%3D20044%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D20751%26rd%3D30%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId%26zc%3D98101%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26alMkId%3D20044%26rpp%3D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national&listType=1
There's a nice one.
I think a Renault Medallion would be a great idea.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 07, 2012, 09:11:14 PM
If it helps any, dealers are practically giving away Mazda 2's. I looked at a two-year old Elantra touring for 12.5K (pre-yaris, pre budget cut) and the dealer tried to upsell me into a Mazda 2 sport for 13,100. That price was before any incentives, discounts or haggling.
It's a pity the Mazda 2 doesn't seem to be selling. I looked one over on the showroom floor at the Mazda dealer and it seems to be a fine little car. It was surprising roomy for such a small package, good quality materials, solid feeling controls and everything appeared to be well screwed together. Another good car shamefully overlooked by the unwashed masses.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 07, 2012, 09:18:51 PM
Renault Medallion?
Good luck finding one! It's one of few quirky/weird cars from the last thirty years I
haven't owned!
Quote from: Madman on July 07, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
It's a pity the Mazda 2 doesn't seem to be selling. I looked one over on the showroom floor at the Mazda dealer and it seems to be a fine little car. It was surprising roomy for such a small package, good quality materials, solid feeling controls and everything appeared to be well screwed together. Another good car shamefully overlooked by the unwashed masses.
I wouldn't say it's
shamefully overlooked; the powertrain is pretty lackluster, both MT and AT alike.
Quote from: Madman on July 07, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
Good luck finding one! It's one of few quirky/weird cars from the last thirty years I haven't owned!
The proportions on those Medallions are delightfully European.....
(http://ettenw.org/cars/My-Cars/MyCars/images/medallion.jpg)
(http://www.ucapusa.com/oneadmin/_files/photogallery/a5701_1988_renault_medallion_3.jpg)
Look at those big rear doors!
I saw the pictures of those two heaps of car and I didn't even have to scroll up to see who posted them... :evildude:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 07, 2012, 09:37:55 PM
I saw the pictures of those two heaps of car and I didn't even have to scroll up to see who posted them... :evildude:
I never said the Medallion was GOOD. I just said it was European. :lol:
GTFO with these ridiculous 80's Euro crapboxes!
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
GTFO with these ridiculous 80's Euro crapboxes!
I have one as my car of the month. It's not possible for a few more days. ;)
Kevo, check your PMs.
MINI Roadster (all 3 variants) , 1 Series vert, A5 Vert, Eos, used SLK, used Z4?
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:23:06 PM
Oh, also: I stopped by the Toyota/Scion dealership and asked about the FR-S. They didn't have any in stock, but they said I could look at an employee's FR-S if I wanted to see what it looked like. Sure, why not - I hadn't seen any in person before. Wow, it looked amazing! And, wow, it is low to the ground! Unbelievably so! Definitely a non-starter.
sweetness. I haven't seen one yet. Lower than Miatas??
(I put my foot down, brace with a hand on the seat, shuffle the foot as I swing my other leg out... :lol: )
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 07, 2012, 10:03:38 PM
sweetness. I haven't seen one yet. Lower than Miatas??
(I put my foot down, brace with a hand on the seat, shuffle the foot as I swing my other leg out... :lol: )
Probably pretty close. Reminded me of my 240SX when I sat in it (except with seats built for fatter people).
Quote from: 2o6 on July 07, 2012, 09:32:09 PM
The proportions on those Medallions are delightfully European.....
(http://ettenw.org/cars/My-Cars/MyCars/images/medallion.jpg)
(http://www.ucapusa.com/oneadmin/_files/photogallery/a5701_1988_renault_medallion_3.jpg)
Look at those big rear doors!
Yes, the R21/Medallion wagon had longer rear doors than the sedan, much like the Peugeot 505 did. Find me a 1988 Medallion GL wagon with a five speed manual and the third-row seat and I'll be in heaven! :wub:
You've gotta check out the GTI, Kevin.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 07, 2012, 10:03:38 PM
sweetness. I haven't seen one yet. Lower than Miatas??
(I put my foot down, brace with a hand on the seat, shuffle the foot as I swing my other leg out... :lol: )
It looks lower than the NC, that's for sure.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 07, 2012, 11:23:24 PM
You've gotta check out the GTI, Kevin.
I probably should.
How is the G convertible too expensive? I've linked at least a couple for $30K.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 07, 2012, 11:47:38 PM
How is the G convertible too expensive? I've linked at least a couple for $30K.
Rry?
Well the one's I've posted are gone, but there are some like this that are close to $30K.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=forSaleTab_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&embedType=NONE&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1036&searchCarsDropdown.selectedEntity2=&uncached=false&showInactive=false&newCarsOnly=false&useInventoryService=true&name=entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity"ableOnly=false&includeAllModelsOption=false&carsWithRegressionOnly=false&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m84&heading=All+Years&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1036&includeUnknownTrimOption=false&carsWithRegressionOnly=false&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=&zip=14580&distance=NATIONWIDE#listing=36304608
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:00:21 PM
A cornucopia of cars test driven today:
Infiniti G37S sedan
Wow wow wow. Blew my socks off. Illegal speeds are yours in a fraction of a second. The power and the steering definitely emasculated the TSX. But unfortunately the car would be redundant with the TSX. A possible future replacement for that car, perhaps. But not a suitable car purchase for now. The convertible G-series is too expensive and too new to be found on the used market, and besides, the windowsills are way too fucking high.
The G is one of the best deals in all of automobiledom and just a great car all around. Who cares if it's redundant, man! It's functional and practical and available in AWD.
Sounds like maybe you should try and find an Abarf to test drive too?
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:16:39 PM
Yes, it's for commuting, though the commute itself is only 4 miles and pretty damn easy.
CR-Z?
Quote from: 2o6 on July 07, 2012, 09:32:09 PM
I wouldn't say it's shamefully overlooked; the powertrain is pretty lackluster, both MT and AT alike.
My buddy, the engineer/racer/turbo Miata driver has a 2 and he loves it.
Would an aftermarket car seat be a reasonable consideration for you if you found a car you liked, but was out of the comfort range? I know a couple of people who have done it since they refuse to part with their favorite model of car ( one is a MX5 owner! )
This might be in the too-close-to-TSX category, but I'm right now driving a CX-5 manual that I've been quite impressed with. The trip computer says I've gotten 31 mpg so far (about half highway, half suburban), the clutch is forgiving and has a hill-holder feature, the seats are great and it rides and handles pretty well. There's not a lot of pep, but you can rev the engine a lot without it getting noisy at all.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 07, 2012, 10:03:38 PM
sweetness. I haven't seen one yet. Lower than Miatas??
(I put my foot down, brace with a hand on the seat, shuffle the foot as I swing my other leg out... :lol: )
Sit a bit closer to the floor in the BRZ, and the floor is a little lower too. But combine that with slightly more head room, and it's much easier to get in and out of I think.
I bopped the side of my kneecap a few days ago and I'm finally understanding this whole ingress/egress difficulty thing.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 09, 2012, 03:37:24 PM
I bopped the side of my kneecap a few days ago and I'm finally understanding this whole ingress/egress difficulty thing.
Old fart. :lol:
I was laughing when my in-laws bought a Miata. They're both overweight and born in the 1950s...
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 09, 2012, 03:37:24 PM
I bopped the side of my kneecap a few days ago and I'm finally understanding this whole ingress/egress difficulty thing.
:lol:
Well here in sunny Idaho, I usually just leave the top down, aim my ass, and fall.
I will feel the ingress pain when I go to England :facepalm:
Fold into a taco, then move sideways.
What about a Ford Focus Titanium with the powershift auto? Too expensive?
That automatic transmission is having a lot of issues here, and yeah, that's *really* expensive for a Focus! ;)
Quote from: Laconian on July 10, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
That automatic transmission is having a lot of issues here, and yeah, that's *really* expensive for a Focus! ;)
Ford fixed the shifting issues. It was a programming problem. And it's only expensive for a Focus because it's a Ford. If it was the exact same car but with "VW" on the grille nobody would think twice.
You'd get one within warranty anyhow I would have thought
Quote from: SVT666 on July 10, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
Ford fixed the shifting issues. It was a programming problem. And it's only expensive for a Focus because it's a Ford. If it was the exact same car but with "VW" on the grille nobody would think twice.
I would think twice about a $27,000 car with 160 horsepower when the ST could be had for about the same price.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 10, 2012, 09:33:24 AM
:lol:
Well here in sunny Idaho, I usually just leave the top down, aim my ass, and fall.
I will feel the ingress pain when I go to England :facepalm:
For me it's the egress, top up or down it's a small pain.
Aw man, that's easy... one hand on the rocker sill, one hand on the steering wheel, one foot out on the ground, and push up.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 11, 2012, 07:58:09 PM
Aw man, that's easy... one hand on the rocker sill, one hand on the steering wheel, one foot out on the ground, and push up.
gravity is a beast though
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 11, 2012, 08:08:24 PM
gravity is a beast though
You're in the Army, I'm in the Chair Force... c'mon now!
Quote from: Laconian on July 07, 2012, 09:00:21 PM
Infiniti G37S sedan
Wow wow wow. Blew my socks off. Illegal speeds are yours in a fraction of a second. The power and the steering definitely emasculated the TSX. But unfortunately the car would be redundant with the TSX. A possible future replacement for that car, perhaps. But not a suitable car purchase for now. The convertible G-series is too expensive and too new to be found on the used market, and besides, the windowsills are way too fucking high.
They're great cars, and the seats (especially in the sport model) are pretty comfortable. It's not that similar to the TSX -- RWD vs. FWD, sedan vs. wagon, actually has power. :evildude:
Do you really want to own a convertible in the PNW? And what about a Volvo? Aren't they known for having the best seats in the business?
Quote from: afty on July 12, 2012, 12:10:30 AM
They're great cars, and the seats (especially in the sport model) are pretty comfortable. It's not that similar to the TSX -- RWD vs. FWD, sedan vs. wagon, actually has power. :evildude:
Do you really want to own a convertible in the PNW? And what about a Volvo? Aren't they known for having the best seats in the business?
I think someone mentioned a C70, which I think would be worth a look in this case.
Quote from: TurboDan on July 12, 2012, 06:41:39 PM
I think someone mentioned a C70, which I think would be worth a look in this case.
Especially with all of Kevin's back problems, I'd think a car with seats designed by Swedish chiropractors would be nice to have.
I drove a Mini Cooper S convertible. :ohyeah: Seats were great, excellent handling, and lots of hustle even with an autotragic. Incredible headroom even with the top up. One of the top cars in the running. The sticker price is a little dear considering that a G37 sedan with *all* the trimmings comes within 5k of the Cooper S 'vert, but since it's been out for ages, I figure there are probably some good used specimens.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/20120722_110257.jpg)
!
But not convertible :(
Also, my boyfriend has a bias against GTIs. He insists that they are cars for obnoxious fratboys. :lol:
(http://www.chinatownconnection.com/images/volvoc70hardtip.jpg)
Wonderful seats, decent to drive, and not slow.
Stupid hardtop roof though. Man I hate those.
Mustang GT cabrio
Quote from: SVT666 on August 05, 2012, 10:54:41 PM
Stupid hardtop roof though. Man I hate those.
But they're quieter at highway speed and much more secure.
Quote from: Laconian on August 05, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
Also, my boyfriend has a bias against GTIs. He insists that they are cars for obnoxious fratboys. :lol:
If he met me, all his notions about GTI drivers would be put to rest.
Quote from: CJ on August 05, 2012, 10:58:13 PM
But they're quieter at highway speed and much more secure.
Security is an illusion
Quote from: Laconian on August 05, 2012, 09:56:03 PM
I drove a Mini Cooper S convertible. :ohyeah: Seats were great, excellent handling, and lots of hustle even with an autotragic. Incredible headroom even with the top up. One of the top cars in the running. The sticker price is a little dear considering that a G37 sedan with *all* the trimmings comes within 5k of the Cooper S 'vert, but since it's been out for ages, I figure there are probably some good used specimens.
2005 or 2006 will give you the least trouble.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 05, 2012, 11:14:02 PM
2005 or 2006 will give you the least trouble.
What's problematic about the more recent ones?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 05, 2012, 11:09:20 PM
Security is an illusion
I don't know man, i've seen my fair share of soft tops with knife wounds in them.
BMW 3er convertableibles up for driving time next.
How are Z4s for comfort? Boxsters? Just making sure I get my bases covered with the 'verts.
What about the 135i? They seem quite a bit cheaper than 335i convertibles.
CLK550 can also be had for under $30K
Audi TT convertible?
My brother's Mustang has very comfortable seats, FWIW.
Quote from: Laconian on August 05, 2012, 11:41:57 PM
How are Z4s for comfort? Boxsters? Just making sure I get my bases covered with the 'verts.
I'm really digging your quest. ;)
Quote from: Laconian on August 05, 2012, 10:19:05 PM
But not convertible :(
You're in luck, the first Golf GTI cabriolet to be sold outside the UK has just been launched:
(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/volkswagen-golf-cabriolet-10.jpg)
(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/volkswagen-golf-cabriolet-2.jpg)
Link: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/golf-gti/first-drives/volkswagen-golf-gti-cabriolet
Quote from: CJ on August 05, 2012, 10:58:13 PM
But they're quieter at highway speed and much more secure.
But with the roof up (80% of the time) they are almost unanimously ugly, and when the roof is down you lose your entire trunk.
Quote from: Laconian on August 05, 2012, 10:19:05 PM
But not convertible :(
Eos. You and your boyfriend are gay, you shouldn't have any image crisis driving one of those.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27591.msg1760584#msg1760584 date=1344449133
Eos. You and your boyfriend are gay, you shouldn't have any image crisis driving one of those.
My sister-in-law has one. We drove it when we went out to visit her. It was alright. The throttle tip-in was extremely sensitive and really jumpy. The handling was fairly average and the roof is ugly. The trunk all but disappears when the roof is down, but the back seat is big enough for me to sit in it.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on August 05, 2012, 11:41:36 PM
I don't know man, i've seen my fair share of soft tops with knife wounds in them.
Easier to break glass than cut a top.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 08, 2012, 12:09:57 PM
My sister-in-law has one. We drove it when we went out to visit her. It was alright. The throttle tip-in was extremely sensitive and really jumpy. The handling was fairly average and the roof is ugly. The trunk all but disappears when the roof is down, but the back seat is big enough for me to sit in it.
They look great with the top down though. He's got a bad back, I'm assuming he doesn't want something hardcore. I drove one a few years ago and I remember it being agreeable, if not really anything special.
Quote from: Laconian on August 05, 2012, 11:41:57 PM
BMW 3er convertableibles up for driving time next.
How are Z4s for comfort? Boxsters? Just making sure I get my bases covered with the 'verts.
Boxsters have a very firm suspension. The Z4 isn't as firm, but it's not too far off.
Bad back? Lotus Elise.. it'll jarr your bad back back into shape.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27591.msg1760589#msg1760589 date=1344449603
Easier to break glass than cut a top.
Depends on the top, but have you ever broken the glass in a car window? I have, and it's actually pretty hard to do. Both the Miata and my old MG top could be sufficiently sliced with a box cutter in three seconds.
Quote from: Rupert on August 08, 2012, 01:15:00 PM
Depends on the top, but have you ever broken the glass in a car window? I have, and it's actually pretty hard to do. Both the Miata and my old MG top could be sufficiently sliced with a box cutter in three seconds.
Side glass windows are easy to break if you have a rock in your hand, whereas most new cloth tops are very hard to cut.
Again, have you ever broken a car window? I hammered at that motherfucker five or six times using full force with my big socket wrench before it broke.
Quote from: Rupert on August 08, 2012, 02:51:24 PM
Again, have you ever broken a car window? I hammered at that motherfucker five or six times using full force with my big socket wrench before it broke.
Yes. A rock and one hit.
:huh:
Maybe Ford Rangers have tough windows.
Quote from: Rupert on August 08, 2012, 02:54:30 PM
:huh:
Maybe Ford Rangers have tough windows.
I had to break a window in our old Explorer cause I locked the keys inside and I was an hour and a half from the nearest town. Granted, I hit it fucking hard.
Ditto, except it was snowing and the engine was running. :lol:
Quote from: Rupert on August 08, 2012, 02:54:30 PM
:huh:
Maybe Ford Rangers have tough windows.
Even the windows are "Built Ford Tough!" :ohyeah:
Unless they're on SVT's old Explorer.
Quote from: Rupert on August 08, 2012, 02:51:24 PM
Again, have you ever broken a car window? I hammered at that motherfucker five or six times using full force with my big socket wrench before it broke.
Need something with a point.
Anyway, it can be tough to break a window, and it can be tough to cut a convertible top, but both can also be easy, depending on the car.
Are we all satisfied now? :lol:
Quote from: Rupert on August 08, 2012, 09:29:21 PM
Anyway, it can be tough to break a window, and it can be tough to cut a convertible top, but both can also be easy, depending on the car.
Are we all satisfied now? :lol:
I propose a test. Everyone go out and slice 10 tops and break 10 windows, and we'll reconvene and decide which was easier.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on August 08, 2012, 10:08:28 PM
I propose a test. Everyone go out and slice 10 tops and break 10 windows, and we'll reconvene and decide which was easier.
BRB.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on August 08, 2012, 10:08:28 PM
I propose a test. Everyone go out and slice 10 tops and break 10 windows, and we'll reconvene and decide which was easier.
Okay. Ford Rangers are a bitch man. Explorers are easy though. The roof on the Sebring started tearing before I could knife it, but the roof on the EOS dulled my knife pretty fast. My neighbours are gonna be pissed.
Aren't you pissed about your knife being dull?
Laconian, get this:
(http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/2004_crown_victoria_4dr_sedan-manu_04.jpg)
People will leave you alone because they think you're an agent and on the freeway people won't hog the left lane. Perfect car. It's so pretty. :wub:
Champagne color, now that just screams authority.
Quote from: Laconian on August 09, 2012, 02:53:16 PM
Champagne color, now that just screams authority.
Yeah, if that authority is President of the AARP! :lol:
(http://www.centralcontracts.com/glass_images/p/p0508513.jpg)
Cooler GTI?
(http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/albums/Mercedes/2009-CLK550-Cabriolet/Mercedes-Benz-CLK550-Cabriolet-2009-06.jpg)
400hp.
(http://autotraderca.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/2011-bmw-135-cab_cc_026-1870.jpg?w=613&h=345)
Cheaper than a 335i, and just as fast.
Quote from: Laconian on August 09, 2012, 02:53:16 PM
Champagne color, now that just screams authority.
There are the bad cops (dark CV).
And there are the good cops (light CV).
You're the good cop. :lol:
Thinking of test driving the 1er convertible.
Not a huge fan of the 1-series' looks in coupe form (stubby!), but with the top down, it looks decent. Convertibles often look frumpy anyways. :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on August 11, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
Thinking of test driving the 1er convertible.
Not a huge fan of the 1-series' looks in coupe form (stubby!), but with the top down, it looks decent. Convertibles often look frumpy anyways. :lol:
If you do that, remember that a used 3series is always cheaper.
I don't think that's true for the convertibles. The 3er is a hardtop, which probably made it cost more initially and improves resale residuals in this rainy climate.
SLK?
I'd die of H&H overdose.
(MB's don't interest me, reverse badge snobbery. I'm already thinking I'll need to suppress my gag reflex while looking at BMWs.)
I rode in my friend's Golf TDI a few days ago. Fucking great seats. Doppelkupplungen would be a bonus. GTI test drive might be in the cards.
Driven:
128 convertible 6MT, with sports leather seats and some other option crap. Definitely not going with a MT if I get a BMW - the clutch is too stiff and the travel goes in too far. Adjusting the seat for optimal braking and gas seemed to be too far out for optimal shifting. Bleh. The seats were *pretty* comfortable, though with all the bolstering it was excessively lumpy for my tastes. It took me about 5 minutes to figure out what all the seat adjustments could do! Figuring out how to get it into R also took a bit. Other than that it drove very nicely, thank you very much. The smoothness of the engine was remarkable and addictive. Acceleration was decent, with satisfying passing power once the engine was around 3-4k RPM. Handling seemed decent. Ride was a bit on the harsh side. Verdict: will need to try with an automatic, possibly even with the turbo. The salesman was also a sympathetic member of the Shitty Back club and was very generous at offering test drives with other AT cars. He wanted me to try the R32, but I felt it would just be a waste of everybody's time, since I decided I just enjoy convertibles too much. I wanted to drive the Z4 but the one on the lot was a 6MT. He'll give me a holler when they have a 1 vert AT or a 3 vert AT.
2011 C70: Mustang on Prozac. Feather light steering, sky-high windowsills, bad rear visibility, a monochromatic interior devoid of texture or interest, and with an ugly sounding and ineffective engine. The seats were awesome but did not lend themselves to cornering whatsoever. I would recommend this car to retired people or folks that have to drive long distances every day. Not really a car that wants to be driven, though. If I wanted a cruising car like this I would get a Rustang.
What's next?
Definitely up for driving next: 1er AT, 3er AT
What the hell, why not try it: TT, Boxster
Current winner?
Mini Cooper S. Hit all the right notes.
Quote from: Laconian on August 11, 2012, 08:41:25 PM
Current winner?
Mini Cooper S. Hit all the right notes.
:praise:
How long and how many miles are you planning on keeping this future car?
Indefinitely, I guess. I tend to get emotionally attached to my things. I probably only drive around 7k miles per year.
How aboot the Cooper S Roadster?
I'd trust the simplicity of the Roadster top much more than the complex 4 seater top.
I liked the added interior space and sunroof capability of the 4 seater's top. The trunk of the Roadster was more practical, but I thought the Mini's geeky character was better represented in the 4 seater.
Shame you didn't like the C70. It's really a pretty good car, and the Polestar upgrade really wakes up the T5 engine.
The E46's automatic is wonderful, so I'm assuming a 1 series automatic should be nice to drive as well. I don't even notice shifts, the car is just always in the powerband. Maybe not as fun as a stickshift when you're driving hard, but perfect for a DD and a bad back.
Waggin's transmission works that way when it's over 80 out.
Didn't like a BMW manual!?
Quote from: Laconian on August 11, 2012, 08:41:25 PM
What's next?
Definitely up for driving next: 1er AT, 3er AT
What the hell, why not try it: TT, Boxster
Current winner?
Mini Cooper S. Hit all the right notes.
Eos?
Every single R32 engine I've heard sounded amazing. You've at least got to give one a try for the noize.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 12, 2012, 01:16:59 AM
Every single R32 engine I've heard sounded amazing. You've at least got to give one a try for the noize.
They are some of the best sounding V6s ever. I'd love to buy a MkIV with a 6 speed stick and slightly less grown up looks. Sure, it wasn't as good as the MkV and probably not as reliable, but at least it wasn't DSG only. But Kevin is cool with DSG, so go R32!
Quote from: Laconian on August 11, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
Thinking of test driving the 1er convertible.
Not a huge fan of the 1-series' looks in coupe form (stubby!), but with the top down, it looks decent. Convertibles often look frumpy anyways. :lol:
The 1er convertible is the worst-looking of the bunch IMO. Get a white 1er coupe and make it look like this. :ohyeah:
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5138/cwf0069.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on August 11, 2012, 08:30:28 PM
2011 C70: Mustang on Prozac. Feather light steering, ... I would recommend this car to retired people or folks that have to drive long distances every day.
:clap:
Re: the C30, which I would imagine drives similarly,
Quote from: 93JC on June 30, 2009, 07:35:33 PM
The other problems are dynamic, specifically the steering and braking. They're too light. There's feedback, they're both linear in operation, the effort is just too slight. I like steering with a little weight to it, and brakes with a little more resistance in the pedal.
Given the exterior I expected more Mini Cooper than, well, Volvo 240, in these respects.
Quote from: 93JC on July 01, 2009, 12:00:37 PM
It's, like, the hot hatch for old fogies who don't want a hot hatch. If there was a Buick hot hatch I think it would be something like this.
Hahaha, nice.
I can see those qualities being desirable for the bread and butter Volvos, like the XC90 and the V70. But the engineers didn't seem to think it through about how to modify their approach for sportier markets.
Quote from: Laconian on August 13, 2012, 11:17:35 AM
Hahaha, nice.
I can see those qualities being desirable for the bread and butter Volvos, like the XC90 and the V70. But the engineers didn't seem to think it through about how to modify their approach for sportier markets.
Volvo? Sporty?
The C30 was supposed to be sporty. Their ads explicitly made that case.
Quote from: Laconian on August 13, 2012, 11:17:35 AM
Hahaha, nice.
I can see those qualities being desirable for the bread and butter Volvos, like the XC90 and the V70. But the engineers didn't seem to think it through about how to modify their approach for sportier markets.
My thoughts exactly. Driving the C30 felt less like driving a go-kart and more like piloting a dinghy or other small, dorky watercraft. :lol:
The seats were awesome though, which is why I suggested it in the first place in this thread. Best car seats I've ever sat in.
If Saab was still around I'd have recommended a 9-3 cabrio; they had great seats too.
I don't know if you'll like the way the TT drives but Audis also have great seats.
How does the TT drive? It was added to the to-do list yesterday when I saw a newer one zip by. I've actually never driven an Audi before.
I don't know, I've never driven one either. :lol: I imagine it drives a lot like a VW GTI.
Quote from: Laconian on August 13, 2012, 11:21:11 AM
The C30 was supposed to be sporty. Their ads explicitly made that case.
Really? I always thought the car was more design and luxury driven rather than "sporty". But maybe I'm wrong, and I never noticed.
By the way, I'll stop suggesting you look at the Eos if you either look at it or say that you don't want to. As long as I'm ignored, I'm going to do the little kid thing and just keep talking, louder and louder.
In my mind, I imagine the Eos and the C70 probably offer a similar sort of driving experience?
Quote from: Laconian on August 14, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
In my mind, I imagine the Eos and the C70 probably offer a similar sort of driving experience?
I would think the Eos is better.
Of any VAG car, the TT should be closest to what you're looking for.
I know 3 families who let their EOS go in less than a year though... Be weary.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 14, 2012, 12:29:59 PM
Of any VAG car, the TT should be closest to what you're looking for.
I know 3 families who let their EOS go in less than a year though... Be weary.
Why did they get rid of them, though?
Eos? I can't think of anything worse. I really hate that car. It has nothing, nothing to do with your Jetta if that?s what you are thinking.
It sucks, totally unthusiast car.
Quote from: Laconian on August 13, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
How does the TT drive? It was added to the to-do list yesterday when I saw a newer one zip by. I've actually never driven an Audi before.
I haven't driven one, but the second generation one seems to be pretty good. It is light and zippy. They definitely hold their own at the track.
Ford Focus Titanium?
Dealer is getting a 135 vert AT next week. Hmm.
I love the look of the new Focus 4-door hatches.
Quote from: Raza on August 15, 2012, 05:04:37 AM
Why did they get rid of them, though?
Electrical issues.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 15, 2012, 10:10:13 PM
I love the look of the new Focus 4-door hatches.
+1 :ohyeah:
0 points for convertibleness. Boo.
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/vehicle-pictures/1994/geo/metro/90125011990415-480.jpg)
And you'll be way under budget!
I could get a dozen of them for a 1 series!
I've heard that the GWVR only allots for 500 lbs.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 16, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
I've heard that the GWVR only allots for 500 lbs.
That's true for a lot of two seaters, and is relatively arbitrary for most of them as well, as they can all be safely exceeded by a fair amount.
Two fatties in a Metro would be quite a sight. I bet it would ride super low.
TT's roof is too rakish, feels claustrophobic inside. Seats are muy comfortablo, si si...
Drove a 2008 335i convertible. I was impressed with a lot about the car: steering, handling, engine, transmission were all great. The car takes off like a rocket at higher RPMs. Very little wind buffeting either, it was calm and quiet in the cabin even at highway speeds. Hardtop is intriguing option for the winter months.
2004 Boxster: aw hell naw! Shitty seats.
2004 Carrera (salesman thought I should try it): aw hell naw!
I was also curious about the XLR but the salesman said I would find it to be a POS after driving the 335i. ;)
The dealership is very interesting for car enthusiasts. Lots of Lotuses, Ferraris, some Spykers, and even an old silver SL Gullwing!
So, current leaderboard:
Mini Cooper S
BMW 335i convertible
Would like to try:
135i convertible. If I can get 90% of the goodness of the 335 for 70% of the price, it could be compelling.
Infiniti G convertible. Though it looks like they suffer from Camaro-grade windowslit-itis?
Shit seats on the Carrera, also?
Yes, but it was a 993, things might have improved over the following generations.
Quote from: Laconian on August 19, 2012, 11:40:09 PM
Yes, but it was a 993, things might have improved over the following generations.
But dat airk?hled
The BMW 135i looks like a solid choice.
If some underpowered POS like my 118i is fun to drive, imagine a 135i. At least you can merge unto a freeway with that thing! :praise:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 15, 2012, 08:37:27 PM
Eos? I can't think of anything worse. I really hate that car. It has nothing, nothing to do with your Jetta if that?s what you are thinking.
It sucks, totally unthusiast car.
It's definitely an unthusiast car, but Kevin's also got a back problem.
Quote from: Laconian on August 18, 2012, 07:16:49 PM
TT's roof is too rakish, feels claustrophobic inside. Seats are muy comfortablo, si si...
Put the top down, doofus.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27591.msg1766956#msg1766956 date=1345490065
It's definitely an unthusiast car, but Kevin's also got a back problem.
I can do mostly anything except shift gears and do really big sweeping turns. With the BMW I was able to dial the bolsters all the way up and those made it possible to dart around even more.
Given your back problem, and the much reported issues with MINI's ride quality, are you really sure that this car is compatible with you?
Quote from: Laconian on August 20, 2012, 01:21:31 PM
I can do mostly anything except shift gears and do really big sweeping turns. With the BMW I was able to dial the bolsters all the way up and those made it possible to dart around even more.
You can't shift? I usually shift with my leg and my hand. Back doesn't really get involved.
My mad tyte hammies get the lower back involved. I stretch them but they are stubborn.
Doing some Googling. 335 reliability besides the HPFP seems worrying?
G37 vert is looking like an interesting alternative. The Internets is full of frazzled *35 owners.
New development as of 4 days ago: http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/08/16/n54-engine-warranty-extended-to-8-years82000-miles-wastegates-only/
Does this make the *35 a good buy? Presumably the prices set by the market at this moment factor in the specious reliability record of the N54 and lack of a longer warranty. Now that the warranty covers it, might the prices go up?
Even with the extended warranty it'd still be a hassle to deal with, esp. if it fails without warning.
Quote from: Laconian on August 19, 2012, 07:54:10 PM
I was also curious about the XLR but the salesman said I would find it to be a POS after driving the 335i. ;)
The XLR isn't a POS compared to the 335i. It's different, but not better or worse, IMO. The interior is very comfortable, however it's very, very low to the ground. I would say the interior is actually nicer looking than the BMW, but it doesn't hold up quite as well over time. Your visibility will be better in the BMW but the XLR gives you a nice, unobtrusive heads-up display that lets you stay more focused on the road while driving.
All in all I really enjoy driving the XLR. It's a very unique car. You really have to spend some time in one to get the nuances, but it's a car you can really come to appreciate. The Northstar also sounds awesome in it.
Quote from: Laconian on August 20, 2012, 02:33:59 PM
Doing some Googling. 335 reliability besides the HPFP seems worrying?
My dad's '08 535xi had its HPFP fail.
Some people on these BMW forums have gone through 3, 4, 5 HPFPs!
Definitely gives the N54/N55 cars an aura of disposability.
Quote from: Laconian on August 20, 2012, 02:40:17 PM
G37 vert is looking like an interesting alternative. The Internets is full of frazzled *35 owners.
FYI if interior buzzes and rattles bother ye you might want to think twice - only 28k miles and my G37 interior is talking to me (not an uncommon issue, but then again pretty much all new cars IME have this problem to one degree or another).
Flexy flexy convertibles especially so. I'm not picky about that.
Quote from: Laconian on August 20, 2012, 03:28:13 PM
Some people on these BMW forums have gone through 3, 4, 5 HPFPs!
Definitely gives the N54/N55 cars an aura of disposability.
Yeah, my friend's gone through 2 HPFP on her 335i and she has less than 10k miles on it...
You'd think they'd be able to figure out why these things repeatedly fail and fix the design...
Quote from: GoCougs on August 20, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
FYI if interior buzzes and rattles bother ye you might want to think twice - only 28k miles and my G37 interior is talking to me (not an uncommon issue, but then again pretty much all new cars IME have this problem to one degree or another).
No noises in mine. Weird.
Barf. What a shame, it's a very exciting engine
The few people I know with a 135i/335i have stated that the cars are generally reliable except for the HPFP problem.
You should seriously consider these cars as an alternative. :ohyeah:
(http://www.marcusgloger.de/media/cache/photos/sm_GLO_1731amini_1_display700.jpg)
...or import one of these, available only with a 3.0 V6 HDI (diesel) engine. You'll have the most fuel-efficient car in all of America!!! Those V6 Corollas don't stand a chance! :winkguy:
(http://www.carautoportal.com/car-images/citroen/citroen-c6/citroen-c6-2008.jpg)
Saw one of those C6s yesterday and complemented the owner. V rare car.
I don't think you should disqualify a 35i car for the HPFP problem. Yes, BMW took forever to really fix it but you get a veeeery long warranty for that and the engine is still a blast. When it goes if it goes it takes a day to fix, that's all.
My dad's 2010 535xi has been flawless (it also only has 35k miles on it), but his '08 was a PITA.
N55?
Quote from: Laconian on August 21, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
N55?
That too, the later cars with the N55 are more reliable.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 20, 2012, 04:19:04 PM
No noises in mine. Weird.
I solved the A-pillar issue mostly but the last while the center console creaks and every so often I get some rattling near the glove box.
My tires are about 85% gone so I'm sure that's some of it.
I'm not interested in the *35s anymore. The generous warranty for the HPFP and wastegate would be gone in four years, and the resale residuals would definitely take a dive accordingly.
Hmm, fast, unreliable, low resale? I'm in.
328 vert is still interesting.
128i vert or Cooper vert
Cooper Ss had some issues with HPFPs too, IIRC
Fuck, really? BMW, you suck terribly at turbos.
Quote from: Laconian on August 22, 2012, 01:31:07 PM
Fuck, really? BMW, you suck terribly at turbos.
And cooling systems
What's an HPFP?
High pressure fuel pump.
WINNER
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-Mercedes-Benz-SLK55-AMG-Base-Convertible-2-Door-5-5L-24-000-Miles-CLEAN-/271040460592?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f1b453730
T3h sex. In Arkansas. :(
What's a $200 plane ticket?
Or here's some closer.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=forSaleTab_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&embedType=NONE&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d87&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=&uncached=false&showInactive=false&newCarsOnly=false&useInventoryService=true&name=entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity"ableOnly=false&includeAllModelsOption=false&carsWithRegressionOnly=false&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m43&heading=All+Years&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d87&includeUnknownTrimOption=false&carsWithRegressionOnly=false&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=&zip=06349&distance=NATIONWIDE#listing=42477168
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Quote from: 68_427 on August 22, 2012, 02:05:04 PM
What's a $200 plane ticket?
And an excuse to drive that thing back. I love SLK's
[15:37:16] Raza: Any issues with your car?
[15:37:33] Friend with 335i: other than fuel pump/turbo/wastegate/injectors?
:facepalm:
It's a hell of an engine, too bad about that massive Achilles' heel.
Quote from: Laconian on August 22, 2012, 02:52:44 PM
:facepalm:
It's a hell of an engine, too bad about that massive Achilles' heel.
Nothing wrong with e 5.5L V8.
It's interesting, but probably a wee bit overkill. What's interesting is that it looks like the SLK55 AMG has fewer issues than the SLK350! :huh:
Quote from: GoCougs on August 22, 2012, 08:30:03 AM
I solved the A-pillar issue mostly but the last while the center console creaks and every so often I get some rattling near the glove box.
My tires are about 85% gone so I'm sure that's some of it.
Really? That's strange. My centre console has been rock solid and I've got a lot more miles than you do.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 22, 2012, 02:00:11 PM
WINNER
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-Mercedes-Benz-SLK55-AMG-Base-Convertible-2-Door-5-5L-24-000-Miles-CLEAN-/271040460592?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f1b453730
I dig it.
Quote from: Laconian on August 22, 2012, 04:50:17 PM
It's interesting, but probably a wee bit overkill. What's interesting is that it looks like the SLK55 AMG has fewer issues than the SLK350! :huh:
Start a new hobby. Friday night test and tune at the strip or something.
I used to do that in Calgary, but there's no track anywhere near me now. I loved it...though I was fairly intimidated by some of the guys there. They're pretty hardcore.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 22, 2012, 05:19:04 PM
I used to do that in Calgary, but there's no track anywhere near me now. I loved it...though I was fairly intimidated by some of the guys there. They're pretty hardcore.
The F-Body guys?
Quote from: 68_427 on August 22, 2012, 05:20:23 PM
The F-Body guys?
Some, but mostly it was the old muscle car crowd. There were several 9 second cars there. In fact, one of them was a Chevy S-10 with a 572 big block. The last time I was there atmospheric conditions were such that it was the equivalent as being 10 feet below sea level (Calgary is at 3500 ft). The guy ran a 9.7XX (don't remember the other two digits exactly).
The J-body guys. :lol:
Quote from: SVT666 on August 22, 2012, 05:03:54 PM
Really? That's strange. My centre console has been rock solid and I've got a lot more miles than you do.
Taking the A-pillar covers on and off a couple of dozen times each made their buzzing and rattling mostly go away. I've taken the console partially apart a few times. I'll try a few more times.
Quote from: Laconian on August 22, 2012, 05:32:39 PM
The J-body guys. :lol:
In all seriousness, the 2.2L Ecotec can make stupid amounts of power with only a little bit of assistance.
I have a 2nd degree gay network connection to one of the top sales dudes at BMW Seattle. He's really savvy (and brutally honest) about which BMWs are worth pursuing and which ones should be avoided like the plague. He's really pessimistic about the longevity of all of the recent cars. :facepalm:
In warranty or bust, it seems.
Quote from: Laconian on August 26, 2012, 09:41:15 PM
I have a 2nd degree gay network connection to one of the top sales dudes at BMW Seattle. He's really savvy (and brutally honest) about which BMWs are worth pursuing and which ones should be avoided like the plague. He's really pessimistic about the longevity of all of the recent cars. :facepalm:
In warranty or bust, it seems.
Wait a second: there are official degrees of gayety?
This is all just plain confusing now.
Friend of a friend, like LinkedIn networking.
Quote from: Laconian on August 27, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
Friend of a friend, like LinkedIn networking.
Ahh. OK, that makes a lot more sense then.
Gay network, eh? I knew there was a conspiracy. How does your gay agent feel about the Z4?
Import a used BMW 118d 5-Door from Europe. You can drive over a 1,000 km on a 50-liter tank of diesel, drive over 131 mph and you have that all important RWD layout! It's a WIN-WIN-WIN.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27591.msg1770419#msg1770419 date=1346062511
Gay network, eh? I knew there was a conspiracy. How does your gay agent feel about the Z4?
It gets a 5 star gay-rating. Hope you weren't trying to impress the ladies with it.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 29, 2012, 08:00:34 PM
It gets a 5 star gay-rating. Hope you weren't trying to impress the ladies with it.
No, I impress them with how nice I am.
The Z4 isn't to impress the ladies, that's what the watches and ascots are for.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 27, 2012, 12:11:15 AM
Wait a second: there are official degrees of gayety?
This is all just plain confusing now.
Being gay is sort of like being a Freemason: there are different 'degrees', a lot of people keep it secret, and a lot of people think they have a nefarious agenda.
Quote from: Laconian on August 29, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
The Z4 isn't to impress the ladies, that's what the watches and ascots are for.
Don't forget the man bag.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 29, 2012, 10:35:30 PM
Don't forget the man bag.
You joke, but the women love it. Everyone loves it. It's awesome. Just because your life doesn't have anything you can't carry in cargo shorts doesn't mean having a bag is a bad thing. (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSlAKk-bvpf2qJeddYRu6TWo7SP-SCYtFTziPmjWz6kR5YMFoh-lg&t=1)
Quote from: Laconian on August 29, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
The Z4 isn't to impress the ladies, that's what the watches and ascots are for.
:lol: :clap:
I could totally see Raza wearing ascots.
Quote from: MrH on August 30, 2012, 09:11:31 AM
:lol: :clap:
I could totally see Raza wearing ascots.
I'm not Madman. Or Fred from Scooby Doo.
Why do they have to invent 'manly' names for stuff women carry when a man wears it??
kilt
ascot
manbag
PROPERTY SCROTUM
I think I should figure out how much a 3-series lease would cost per month and divide that by the expected cost of an out-of-warranty repair. If the break even point is just 3 or 4 repairs, then, pbthhh... All the happy BMW owners I talk to are leasers. They say that they love the peace of mind that comes with not being attached to the car if it's a lemon. Coming from a line of Japanese car ownership, this attitude just strikes me as so foreign.
Check out the G37 too if you're thinking of leasing. Might as well.
Quote from: Laconian on September 01, 2012, 03:43:12 AM
Coming from a line of Japanese car ownership, this attitude just strikes me as so foreign.
My parents bought Fords forever. Until they had an Accord about 10years ago, they bought a lemon used subaru but went back to Honda. (Although dad has a Ranger to drive to work, they get lots of snows.)
They rave and rave and rave about the Accord and Pilot they have now. And I dunno how, but my sig ended up kinda Asian.... :ohyeah:
Quote from: 68_427 on September 01, 2012, 06:18:42 AM
Check out the G37 too if you're thinking of leasing. Might as well.
The vert is so puffy...
Quote from: Laconian on September 01, 2012, 03:43:12 AM
I think I should figure out how much a 3-series lease would cost per month and divide that by the expected cost of an out-of-warranty repair. If the break even point is just 3 or 4 repairs, then, pbthhh... All the happy BMW owners I talk to are leasers. They say that they love the peace of mind that comes with not being attached to the car if it's a lemon. Coming from a line of Japanese car ownership, this attitude just strikes me as so foreign.
The lease term shouldn't exceed the factory warranty term, so you presumably would not have any out-of-warranty repair costs unless you buy out the lease at the end of the term. And if you plan to buy out the lease, I'm not sure leasing is any cheaper than buying/financing overall.
Quote from: Laconian on September 01, 2012, 10:19:50 AM
The vert is so puffy...
I can't read that word without thinking this
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u1aXRkUu5fI/T4ThgYtc8uI/AAAAAAAADw4/50MZhxg8jxA/s1600/80s-puffy-shirts-seinfield.jpeg)
Quote from: MX793 on September 01, 2012, 10:28:06 AM
The lease term shouldn't exceed the factory warranty term, so you presumably would not have any out-of-warranty repair costs unless you buy out the lease at the end of the term. And if you plan to buy out the lease, I'm not sure leasing is any cheaper than buying/financing overall.
I think he means leasing a new one rather than buying a used one outright and then dealing with the maintenance headaches that will likely occur.
Quote from: thecarnut on September 01, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
I think he means leasing a new one rather than buying a used one outright and then dealing with the maintenance headaches that will likely occur.
Kevin's a smart dude, but I know plenty of people who have 3-5 year old 3ers and have no problems with them. OK, you might need a water pump at some point. But people talk about them like they're reliability disasters and I just don't hear that from people I know who have them.
(http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/factory-five/factory-five.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on September 02, 2012, 12:31:38 AM
(http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/factory-five/factory-five.jpg)
That would break his back in two city blocks.
But he would look good doing it.
The Factory Five is insanely good looking.
Test drove this specific G37 Convertible:
http://www.infinitiofkirkland.com/new-infiniti-models/used-dealer/detail/2009-Infiniti-G37-Hardtop-Convertible/548/JNKCV66E39M723639/~/VehicleType_~Make_Infiniti~Model_G37~Price1_/3
Very pleased with it. Main positive points from the G37 Sedan I drove are intact except the non-Sport seats weren't quite as nice (no nonadjustible side bolsters.) Power is great. The low seating position inherited from the Coupe means I can do long sweeping corners harder without complaint. Looks fantastic with the top up or down. Only bad things about it were the high shoulder line (which are mitigated by good armrests), the severely raked A pillar looking like a concussion waiting to happen, some cowl shake, and slow PRHT operation.
I will go to the Mini dealer tomorrow and make a point to try a Cooper S on the freeway. I think I could get a bespoke Cooper S for the same price as this G37. I need to refresh my impressions to see if they compare. If not, then I'll probably go in for the kill on this G37.
You didn't like the Fiat? Seems like it would be easier on your back.
No, I've discovered that having well-shaped seats low to the ground is ideal for me. I can take a turn much faster when I don't feel the G forces as much.
I dunno man, I would do Abarth and never look back.
I prefer AT now. Sad, but that's the reality for me at the moment.
Quote from: Laconian on September 15, 2012, 07:41:14 PM
I prefer AT now. Sad, but that's the reality for me at the moment.
your future
(http://www.autoweek.com/galleryimage/CW/20120524/REG/524009997/PH/1/8/2013-Lexus-ES300h-Exterior.jpg)
But since I brought it up; what about a Lexus CT?
:facepalm:
I don't care about fuel consumption. Famous last words. :devil:
Also, once in the sports sedan-ish range, it's pretty much a given that the cars have good seats.
Best seats for moving in a straight line were on the C70, but the car was underwhelming at everything else.
You are so lame now.
Fuck yeah to the G37. What's your ideal Cooper S like?
Leather seats, AT, with the exterior color either BRG, red, or dark blue.
Quote from: Laconian on September 15, 2012, 08:22:05 PM
Leather seats, AT, with the exterior color either BRG, red, or dark blue.
(http://kellyjeepnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chrysler-200-Convert1.jpg)
I just jizzed in my pants!
Quote from: 2o6 on September 15, 2012, 08:23:44 PM
(http://kellyjeepnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chrysler-200-Convert1.jpg)
I know that this car looks like ass and drives even worse, but in that picture it actually looks good.
Quote from: TurboDan on September 01, 2012, 11:38:45 PM
Kevin's a smart dude, but I know plenty of people who have 3-5 year old 3ers and have no problems with them. OK, you might need a water pump at some point. But people talk about them like they're reliability disasters and I just don't hear that from people I know who have them.
7th birthday coming up in two months. No real issues other than the water pump and a wheel bearing.
You don't have the N54/N55, either.