http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/08/2013-toyota-rav4-compact-crossover-we.html
That looks pretty horrific.
i think it looks pretty good.
a while back i owned the v6 version of this car. i didn't like it. fast but poor acceleration modulation. i could never get it to smoothly accelerate from a stand-still or 5 mm roll out. and this was with an automatic? it was always so jerky. bumpy ride. hard cheap plastics inside.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 17, 2012, 06:52:35 AM
That looks pretty horrific.
It looks like they took various parts of the other vehicles shown and glued them all together. The man that "copied" the pics is an amazing artist though and I have always known his work to be mighty accurate -- not unlike an actual photograph. I still will full reserve judgement until I see a few up close and in person. One plus, though is that it has a more masculine appearance than what I call a secretary's car -- and I think the current model fits that description. I imagine it was intended to attract women and small families. There is certainly nothing wrong with that but it gives me a minivan kinda feel when I think of the prospects of owning one.
Looks like a jacked-up Mazda3 hatch with Subaru Impreza headlights.
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2012, 08:55:31 AM
Looks like a jacked-up Mazda3 hatch with Subaru Impreza headlights.
...plus Honda CR-V grille and the rear side panel of the new Ford Escape.
Looks like a lame version of a jacked up Impreza. I love how nobody gives a fuck about rear visibility anymore. This is why reverse cameras are going to be mandated. This one had better put out at least 300 HP from the V6 if it hopes to be any better than the last one. This whole crossover segment is getting very tired and unoriginal, IMO. It's time for consumers to demand less impractical, cliche boringness.
Quote from: veeman on August 17, 2012, 08:46:15 AM
i think it looks pretty good.
a while back i owned the v6 version of this car. i didn't like it. fast but poor acceleration modulation. i could never get it to smoothly accelerate from a stand-still or 5 mm roll out. and this was with an automatic? it was always so jerky. bumpy ride. hard cheap plastics inside.
Every Toyota has driven like that for the past ten years. Horribly unnatural throttle response, just plain retarded transmission response, and big toe on the brake pedal = face through windsheild. I have driven a 2012 Sienna that showed signs of being less stupid, but I am still not completely convinced Toyota has learned their lesson.
It's ugly, so it's definitely going to sell very well.
That's pretty fucking bad.
Its also a photochop. Atomic, you should stop reading the sites you do, they consistently give you bad information.
I actually don't think it looks bad. It's executed decently for what it is.
My problem with the Rav4 has always been the piss-poor interior quality. How anyone could live with that thing on a daily basis confounds me. Among mainstream cars, I've found the Rav to have the most abysmal fit and finish of any. It feels cheaply screwed together, too. I've had a couple of them as rentals and found it to be a horrible driving experience, save the fact that they're actually pretty quick off the line.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 17, 2012, 12:47:57 PM
Its also a photochop. Atomic, you should stop reading the sites you do, they consistently give you bad information.
Be patient... They guy has seen the vehicle and it shouldn't be long to see if it identical:
For which I carefully titled the thread "On the All New..." opposed to "Hear is..." or " "Introducing the All New..."
I do appreciate your keen eye and spotting things missed... One reason for a discussion group... :praise:
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2012, 08:55:31 AM
Looks like a jacked-up Mazda3 hatch with Subaru Impreza headlights.
Speaking off Subaru, their Impreza based crossover should be out soon. I anticipatre it to be a huge success for them, but a road test comparison should proveinteresting. Yet, many of the car magazine comparisons seem little more then subjective when judging a car on its "styling" (design) or "fun to drive" factor" -- just me beef.
It was going to happen and I understand why it happened, but now I'm sad that there is no more full size spare on the rear. It's just not a Rav4 without one.
The compact SUV class has now become Bloodsport. Read the MT comparo that put the CX-5 in first place ahead of the Escape and the CR-V. Oddly enough, the Equinox was not featured in that comparo.
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on August 18, 2012, 07:39:28 AM
It was going to happen and I understand why it happened, but now I'm sad that there is no more full size spare on the rear. It's just not a Rav4 without one.
The compact SUV class has now become Bloodsport. Read the MT comparo that put the CX-5 in first place ahead of the Escape and the CR-V. Oddly enough, the Equinox was not featured in that comparo.
MT only likes things they perceive as being fun to drive, no matter if the car I why good at doing anything else.
Stop posting renderings as actual production cars! :rage:
Quote from: 2o6 on August 17, 2012, 12:47:57 PM
Its also a photochop. Atomic, you should stop reading the sites you do, they consistently give you bad information.
+JUAN!!!
Quote from: 2o6 on August 18, 2012, 09:40:17 AM
MT only likes things they perceive as being fun to drive, no matter if the car I why good at doing anything else.
Agreed! And of course, the report of winner vehicle will be put into a glossy pamphlet available at a dealership near you. And it becomes gospel.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 17, 2012, 12:47:57 PM
Its also a photochop. Atomic, you should stop reading the sites you do, they consistently give you bad information.
^Calm down
Looking mighty close to me...
http://www.caradvice.com.au/185481/toyota-rav4-suv-2013-model-spied-interior-revealed/
No, it doesn't.
Aside from the special grille on the super saving "gas mileage" electric variety for MY13, here is the 2013 Toyota RAV4.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonfogelson/2012/08/09/2013-toyota-rav4-ev-test-drive-and-review-electric-and-effective/
Looks pretty good.
Quote from: Atomic on August 19, 2012, 07:58:13 AM
Aside from the special grille on the super saving "gas mileage" electric variety for MY13, here is the 2013 Toyota RAV4.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonfogelson/2012/08/09/2013-toyota-rav4-ev-test-drive-and-review-electric-and-effective/
No. That's the current One with a grille insert.
Looks pretty decent to me.
Nobody here likes the way anything new looks.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 11:55:19 PM
Nobody here likes the way anything new looks.
You are absolutely correct! I chalk it up to our "know all" approach to anything automotive related. We are all guilty of it, except for ME :lol:
No, all joking aside about yours truly, it's all of us from time-time-time. As my dad (who recently died, sadly) used to say, NEVER insult anyother man's car. He first said this when he joined me car shopping when an inexperienced salesman put down one of my Maxima's (it was prestine!) while working on a deal to trade it in for a newer model. Well, that dealership lost my business, my father's and I think everyone my dad has spoken to since then. The sales personnel was brutal.
Let's agree not to be brutal here, eh?
:praise:
Thanks 280 Z Turbo!
Atomic
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 11:55:19 PM
Nobody here likes the way anything new looks.
That's not true. 2o6 loves every new shitty little subcompact.
It looks like a fucking hatchback now. It doesn't look like a crossover anymore.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27937.msg1766945#msg1766945 date=1345489307
That's not true. 2o6 loves every new shitty little subcompact.
If you actually read what I wrote, you'd find that I really don't.
A
Guys, this isn't the production vehicle
Quote from: Raza on August 20, 2012, 01:01:47 PM
That's not true. 2o6 loves every new shitty little subcompact.
Hey, it's as reasonable of a response as hating every affordable economy car.
Quote from: ifcar on August 20, 2012, 04:59:50 PM
Hey, it's as reasonable of a response as hating every affordable economy car.
No it isn't. Every affordable compact car is a reminder that you could be doing better. Loving them is settling for a life slightly below mediocre. They are abominable. For the most part, anyway.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 20, 2012, 02:30:57 PM
It looks like a fucking hatchback now. It doesn't look like a crossover anymore.
Isn't that what crossovers are?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27937.msg1767352#msg1767352 date=1345544944
No it isn't. Every affordable compact car is a reminder that you could be doing better. Loving them is settling for a life slightly below mediocre. They are abominable. For the most part, anyway.
Do you not realize that you drive one every day?
Quote from: Raza on August 21, 2012, 04:29:04 AM
No it isn't. Every affordable compact car is a reminder that you could be doing better. Loving them is settling for a life slightly below mediocre. They are abominable. For the most part, anyway.
What an elitist prick. And I say that in only the nicest way.
Quote from: ifcar on August 22, 2012, 06:15:15 AM
What an elitist prick. And I say that in only the nicest way.
I don't think he's an elitist prick if he focuses that energy on getting ahead and reaching his goals. Raza's not lazy, and he's not going out and buying cars he can't afford purely for image purposes. Let's be honest: few people would drive a bare-bones mainstream subcompact if they could afford something nicer (even if it's not necessarily larger). Some people are content with a low-paying career and others are not. I'm in Raza's camp on this one.
Quote from: TurboDan on August 22, 2012, 09:01:12 AM
I don't think he's an elitist prick if he focuses that energy on getting ahead and reaching his goals. Raza's not lazy, and he's not going out and buying cars he can't afford purely for image purposes. Let's be honest: few people would drive a bare-bones mainstream subcompact if they could afford something nicer (even if it's not necessarily larger). Some people are content with a low-paying career and others are not. I'm in Raza's camp on this one.
I wouldn't call them "Insufferable". Modern cars are very refined.
Quote from: TurboDan on August 22, 2012, 09:01:12 AM
I don't think he's an elitist prick if he focuses that energy on getting ahead and reaching his goals. Raza's not lazy, and he's not going out and buying cars he can't afford purely for image purposes. Let's be honest: few people would drive a bare-bones mainstream subcompact if they could afford something nicer (even if it's not necessarily larger). Some people are content with a low-paying career and others are not. I'm in Raza's camp on this one.
I don't assume at all that most people buy the fanciest car they can possibly afford, or even close.
Quote from: ifcar on August 22, 2012, 11:43:22 AM
I don't assume at all that most people buy the fanciest car they can possibly afford, or even close.
Me neither. But while it's not "politically correct" to dump on someone's car, let's be honest – very few people would buy a base model mainstream subcompact if they had the means to avoid buying such a vehicle.
It has nothing to do with buying the absolute maximum one can afford. For example, me personally, I'll always buy used cars because I put 20-25K miles per year on anything I drive. It's stupid for me to buy a new car because I can buy a 2-3 year old car for half its MSRP with only 18 months' worth of the mileage I'd put on it. See: LR2. At the same time, just because I won't go out and saddle myself with a payment on a $40K vehicle doesn't mean I'm going to buy the cheapest POS money can buy. That's what these subcompacts are. Save the 500 Abarth, mainstream subcompacts are the bottom of the barrel as far as cars go.
Quote from: TurboDan on August 22, 2012, 07:59:09 PM
Me neither. But while it's not "politically correct" to dump on someone's car, let's be honest ? very few people would buy a base model mainstream subcompact if they had the means to avoid buying such a vehicle.
It has nothing to do with buying the absolute maximum one can afford. For example, me personally, I'll always buy used cars because I put 20-25K miles per year on anything I drive. It's stupid for me to buy a new car because I can buy a 2-3 year old car for half its MSRP with only 18 months' worth of the mileage I'd put on it. See: LR2. At the same time, just because I won't go out and saddle myself with a payment on a $40K vehicle doesn't mean I'm going to buy the cheapest POS money can buy. That's what these subcompacts are. Save the 500 Abarth, mainstream subcompacts are the bottom of the barrel as far as cars go.
Judging from the increased quality of these models, I don't think that's true anymore. Transaction prices of small cars are at an all time high. Then you throw in other variables (fuel economy, reliability, interior space and many others) and buying a new cheap car doesn't seem so stupid.
I know my next car will likely be new, or nearly new.
Quote from: Raza on August 21, 2012, 04:29:04 AM
No it isn't. Every affordable compact car is a reminder that you could be doing better. Loving them is settling for a life slightly below mediocre. They are abominable. For the most part, anyway.
Mini Cooper S? Mazdaspeed 3? Focus ST? GTI?
What matters is what puts a smile on your face. True, a Versa probably won't do that, but a Mini will.
Anyways, Guys, I have OFFICIAL PHOTOS of the new 2013 Rav4. Toyota is taking the popular model RETRO. Also, Toyota plans to compete with the new wildfire success Murano Cabrio with a new convertible bodystyle my inside source at Toyota says.
(http://www.top4wd.com/includes/images/Toyota_Rav4/1996ToyotaRav4.gif)
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 22, 2012, 09:18:33 PM
Mini Cooper S? Mazdaspeed 3? Focus ST? GTI?
What matters is what puts a smile on your face. True, a Versa probably won't do that, but a Mini will.
But we're (I'm sure Raza would agree) not talking about any of those cars. Save the Cooper S, I wouldn't consider any of those subcompacts, and all of them are relatively expensive performance editions anyway. I'm talking about your base model B segment vehicles like the Fiesta, Yaris, Aveo/Sonic, etc. Mostly they're sold as either starter cars (high school, college students), or to people without much money. I stand by my assertion that most people who have the means to buy a better car, do. They're tiny penalty boxes with crap interiors and odd exterior styling that sell because they're the lowest price new vehicles on the lot.
And size has nothing to do with it. I don't lump Minis, 1ers or (to an extent) even the 500 in with the cheap subcompact crowd.
Quote from: TurboDan on August 22, 2012, 10:01:20 PM
But we're (I'm sure Raza would agree) not talking about any of those cars. Save the Cooper S, I wouldn't consider any of those subcompacts, and all of them are relatively expensive performance editions anyway. I'm talking about your base model B segment vehicles like the Fiesta, Yaris, Aveo/Sonic, etc. Mostly they're sold as either starter cars (high school, college students), or to people without much money. I stand by my assertion that most people who have the means to buy a better car, do.
And size has nothing to do with it. I don't lump Minis, 1ers or (to an extent) even the 500 in with the cheap subcompact crowd.
500 and Mini (especially 500) aren't super nice inside (at least to the level in which a traditional B-segment looks trashy).
And a Mazda 2 would put a smile on my face (considering it's super cheap). Even with only 100HP, it's a riot to drive.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 22, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
And a Mazda 2 would put a smile on my face (considering it's super cheap). Even with only 100HP, it's a riot to drive.
That's fine that you like it. But if you were making $100K a year, would you realistically be looking at a Mazda2?
(Granted, this is being addressed to 2o6, so he very well might...) ;)
Quote from: TurboDan on August 22, 2012, 10:05:47 PM
That's fine that it would. But if you were making $100K a year, would you realistically be looking at a Mazda2?
(Granted, this is being addressed to 2o6, so he very well might...) ;)
Who would? (I would likely still drive something similar, but nicer and quieter. :lol: My job has made me realize how loud Yaris really is)
Of the same token, you do realize that very few cheap cars are being sold at bottom dollar? A 10K new Versa "exists" but it's nearly impossible to find. Then, you have other manufacturers jam packing their small cars with lots of content, which means basic cars aren't really basic anymore. The Spark I drove last week starts at 13K, and it comes with power everything, a decent stereo and air conditioning.
I honestly didn't even know they sold any vehicles without power windows/locks and A/C anymore. If they do, I haven't seen one in years. The last vehicle without power windows I was in was a 1997 Dodge Caravan owned by my aunt.
Quote from: TurboDan on August 22, 2012, 10:11:03 PM
I honestly didn't even know they sold any vehicles without power windows/locks and A/C anymore. If they do, I haven't seen one in years. The last vehicle without power windows I was in was a 1997 Dodge Caravan owned by my aunt.
10K Versa comes with manual everything, and doesn't have a radio.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 11:55:19 PM
Nobody here likes the way anything new looks.
Thats not true
I will have to get back to you on a new design I have 100% liked though
Quote from: TurboDan on August 22, 2012, 10:11:03 PM
I honestly didn't even know they sold any vehicles without power windows/locks and A/C anymore. If they do, I haven't seen one in years. The last vehicle without power windows I was in was a 1997 Dodge Caravan owned by my aunt.
I detailed a 2010 Corolla this summer that didn't have power locks or power windows. It did have A/C, though.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 21, 2012, 09:04:32 PM
Do you not realize that you drive one every day?
It's a premium compact car. Totally different. :lol:
And you know I meant subcompact.
Quote from: ifcar on August 22, 2012, 06:15:15 AM
What an elitist prick. And I say that in only the nicest way.
I can live with that.
But is it so evil to want to do better?
Quote from: ifcar on August 22, 2012, 11:43:22 AM
I don't assume at all that most people buy the fanciest car they can possibly afford, or even close.
No, that's true. I do know managing directors that drive Accords or big trucks, but they're not driving around in 1.2L Fiestas.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 22, 2012, 09:18:33 PM
Mini Cooper S? Mazdaspeed 3? Focus ST? GTI?
What matters is what puts a smile on your face. True, a Versa probably won't do that, but a Mini will.
Those are
premium compact cars (like a 3 series), and not the types of cars to which I was referring.
I think ordinary people who had their standards met by best-selling compact cars are now having those standards met by an improving batch of subcompacts. Buying a Fit or Fiesta isn't like buying a Geo Metro. Plus there are the people who just prefer the feel of a smaller car, either for urban convenience or for a lighter weight.
Quote from: ifcar on August 23, 2012, 04:14:54 PM
I think ordinary people who had their standards met by best-selling compact cars are now having those standards met by an improving batch of subcompacts. Buying a Fit or Fiesta isn't like buying a Geo Metro. Plus there are the people who just prefer the feel of a smaller car, either for urban convenience or for a lighter weight.
I'm with you on the small cars thing. I like small cars. That's why I'm all about the premium compacts.
Not one of these dirt cheap huge headlights cars.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27937.msg1768677#msg1768677 date=1345760982
I'm with you on the small cars thing. I like small cars. That's why I'm all about the premium compacts.
Not one of these dirt cheap huge headlights cars.
Those dirt cheap huge headlight cars are.in the same class as the ones you speak of.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27937.msg1768659#msg1768659 date=1345756750
It's a premium compact car. Totally different. :lol:
And you know I meant subcompact.
Jetta isn't premium. It goes straight up against the Focus, Mazda 3, Cruze eat.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 23, 2012, 05:40:59 PM
Jetta isn't premium. It goes straight up against the Focus, Mazda 3, Cruze eat.
The old one was, especially with the turbo motor.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 23, 2012, 08:14:17 PM
The old one was, especially with the turbo motor.
I think you mean that it uses premium gas.
;) :lol:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 23, 2012, 08:14:17 PM
The old one was, especially with the turbo motor.
Given the size of the current Jetta, it's also flirting with being kicked out of the "compact" club. It looks practically as big as a B5 Passat/A4.
Quote from: TurboDan on August 24, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
Given the size of the current Jetta, it's also flirting with being kicked out of the "compact" club. It looks practically as big as a B5 Passat/A4.
Par for the course, really. (and Subcompacts are now becoming "compact" which means "City Cars" aren't really that small to begin with)
Quote from: TurboDan on August 24, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
Given the size of the current Jetta, it's also flirting with being kicked out of the "compact" club. It looks practically as big as a B5 Passat/A4.
We make headlamps for the Passat and I can't even tell the difference from the front!
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 24, 2012, 08:29:33 PM
We make headlamps for the Passat and I can't even tell the difference from the front!
It's a trend at VAG. I have a very hard time telling apart Audi products.