People didn't seem too hot on the Accordy waggy, which is really of no practical consequence to me, but does kind of beg the question, what you guys think would be a better choice. I'm not buying this till I leave NY btw so don't expect a "ran out for milk" thread any time soon.
Parameters:
- <$20K new or used
- stickshift
- better than ~20 mpg highway (flexible)
- Can legitimately seat at least 4 (lets say for 2 child seats)
- <15.5 sec quarter mile
- some level of aftermarket support/enthusiast community
Really flexible. Everything from a Forester XT to an E39 M5 fit the bill
Way less strict than what I was thinking which is probably for the better.
GO!!!
2008-09 Audi A4 2.0T. Thread over.
Depends on how much $ you have lying around. If you can afford to maintain it, an E39 ///M5 cannot be beat for the things you require.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 05:44:48 PM
2008-09 Audi A4 2.0T. Thread over.
I hate it when people say thread over. That's not even that great of a choice.
Both good suggestions so far.
B6 A4? So.... generic. Theres no limit on age by the way.
Used GTI I guess.
You're probably going to want 4 doors. Managing seats in a 2/3 door => ughhhhh.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
I hate it when people say thread over. That's not even that great of a choice.
It's everything he asked for, looks great, has a great engine, and a great interior. Thread over was tongue in cheek, because I cannot imagine a better choice. Perhaps a 3 series BMW, but he'll compromise more on mileage/age to get an equivalent car under $20k.
It would be hard to find, but MS6 would be a cool choice. Other than that there's always the Evo/STI (Evo 8 and blobeye/ maybe hawkeye STI's should be in that price range).
But, I agree with Farris. If you can find a good one, an E39 M5 would be awesome. It has a good amount of room in the back (not a ton but great for a family), is extremely solid and an awesome drive.
Is a great interior an asset or a liability?
Kids are going to destroy the car.
M5 is legit, solid + reliable too. If I did mainly highway driving that would be it, though it is hell on consumables
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
It's everything he asked for, looks great, has a great engine, and a great interior.
As Sporty said, they are pretty mundane and there are many other cars that outperform it.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 06:00:25 PM
As Sporty said, they are pretty mundane and there are many other cars that outperform it.
You suggested an M5. I challenge you to find one with less than 100,000 miles for less than $20,000. It's a stupid suggestion for a young couple starting out.
The Element fails the performance requirement, but the interior is accessible, durable, it can be had with a stick, and it gets good fuel economy. Looks are subjective.
Good point on the interior. Whatever I get, it would have to have a black interior... maybe leather (is that easier to clean barf off of?). Which is actually a ding against the Accord, they didn't get black till about 2003 I think.
MS6s are OK, I just feel like I could do better for 20K. Theyre not that fast, dont get that fast with mods and are kind of delicate, from what I hear. EVO is out, too "im 33 and live at home so i can buy mods for my EVO". STi is better but still a little bleh. If I went the Subie route, it would have to be some kind of wagon... 9-2X, Forester XT, or an old swapped Legacy GT (mmm 3.0 + turbo... Porsche wagon).
Used GTI is OK, but my friends have one... its not a bad car at all, but it didn't leave me like 'mmmmmmmmm DAMN'. Maybe a good car for wifey.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
You suggested an M5. I challenge you to find one with less than 100,000 miles for less than $20,000. It's a stupid suggestion for a young couple starting out.
There's a few
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=11510&endYear=2003&modelCode1=M5&startYear=1981&makeCode1=BMW&numRecords=25&maxMileage=100000&searchRadius=200&showcaseOwnerId=100022618&Log=0
I'm not scared of a 10-15 year old car either, it would be fine. People still daily drive em.
Plus if maintenance is the boogeyman I don't think an A4 would be much less of a hassle than an M5, but it sure as hell would be a lot slower
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
You suggested an M5. I challenge you to find one with less than 100,000 miles for less than $20,000. It's a stupid suggestion for a young couple starting out.
I suggested an M5 if he could maintain it. Plus sporty didn't say he had a mileage limit and he even said he has no age limit.
Also, easy challenge:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/cars-sale-wanted/209738-2003-e39-m5-90xxx-miles-sale.html
90k miles for 19k. My friend got his highly modified and excellently maintained M5 for $22k with 102k miles 2 years ago, so less than $20k for a stock one with less than 100k miles is easy to find. His car has also been very reliable, but as sporty said, even regular maintenance is $$$$$.
I mean I think an oil change is like $150 just for parts. But thats about how much it is for my bike (cant change oil in the street). And the intervals would be longer.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 06:06:27 PM
Good point on the interior. Whatever I get, it would have to have a black interior... maybe leather (is that easier to clean barf off of?). Which is actually a ding against the Accord, they didn't get black till about 2003 I think.
MS6s are OK, I just feel like I could do better for 20K. Theyre not that fast, dont get that fast with mods and are kind of delicate, from what I hear. EVO is out, too "im 33 and live at home so i can buy mods for my EVO". STi is better but still a little bleh. If I went the Subie route, it would have to be some kind of wagon... 9-2X, Forester XT, or an old swapped Legacy GT (mmm 3.0 + turbo... Porsche wagon).
Used GTI is OK, but my friends have one... its not a bad car at all, but it didn't leave me like 'mmmmmmmmm DAMN'. Maybe a good car for wifey.
From what I've seen, my brother has barfed in the MDX and you can't even tell he ever barfed back there. :lol:
Although I don't remember which part is vinyl and which is leather...
A4 Quattro Sportwagon, 2.0T, black leather interior. Sporty, this is the car I imagine you in. I just looked at autotrader and seen a few under 20k with 40-65k miles.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 06:08:51 PM
There's a few
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=11510&endYear=2003&modelCode1=M5&startYear=1981&makeCode1=BMW&numRecords=25&maxMileage=100000&searchRadius=200&showcaseOwnerId=100022618&Log=0
I'm not scared of a 10-15 year old car either, it would be fine. People still daily drive em.
Plus if maintenance is the boogeyman I don't think an A4 would be much less of a hassle than an M5, but it sure as hell would be a lot slower
FYI you want a 2001 or 2002 + M5. Post facelift got angel eyes, widescreen navigation and some engine upgrades.
I wouldn't trust a cheap M5.
Parents aren't even allowed to have fun, anyways.
GTO
Quote from: 68_427 on October 01, 2012, 06:15:13 PM
GTO
Fail. Back seat basically doesn't exist + is hard to get to. Also heard less than good things about it from a dude who owned one for a while. E39 M5 is a better car in damn near every way.
Quote from: Laconian on October 01, 2012, 06:14:39 PM
Parents aren't even allowed to have fun, anyways.
? I'm all about fun. He asked for a sub 15.5 second car, and the Audi 2.0T easily fits the bill. In response to Rag's facepalm, any sub 20k M5 is going to be too old (good luck with financing), has high mileage, thrashed and abused, or all the above.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Fail. Back seat basically doesn't exist + is hard to get to. Also heard less than good things about it from a dude who owned one for a while. E39 M5 is a better car in damn near every way.
Why bother starting the thread?
If I were to spend 20K, I wouldn't finance. Some of the choices resonate w/me some don't. Makes for good discussion IMO. Keep em coming.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 06:23:10 PM
If I were to spend 20K, I wouldn't finance. Some of the choices resonate w/me some don't. Makes for good discussion IMO. Keep em coming.
Is throwing 20k cash down on a car a good idea for a newly married couple?
I'm taller than you sporty and I thin the GTO has great seats in the back. I didn't want to be boring but the only good options are Subarus.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 01, 2012, 06:26:40 PM
I'm taller than you sporty and I thin the GTO has great seats in the back. I didn't want to be boring but the only good options are Subarus.
Camry. Beige.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 06:26:21 PM
Is throwing 20k cash down on a car a good idea for a newly married couple?
This is a big part of why in reality I would go w/something <$5000. $20K for one vehicle seems silly to me, but folks were saying a young "successful" guy like me should get something better. Plus some of the things being suggested still work (swapped Legacy wagon etc).
Quote from: 68_427 on October 01, 2012, 06:26:40 PM
I'm taller than you sporty and I thin the GTO has great seats in the back. I didn't want to be boring but the only good options are Subarus.
Yea but how would they be for loading up 2 child seats?
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 06:30:48 PM
This is a big part of why in reality I would go w/something <$5000. $20K for one vehicle seems silly to me, but folks were saying a young "successful" guy like me should get something better. Plus some of the things being suggested still work (swapped Legacy wagon etc).
Put $4000 down on a 2009 Audi A4, $300/mo over 60 months.
Civic Si sedan
WRX wagooon
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http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=11201&listingId=329275373 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=11201&listingId=329275373)
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 01, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
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http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=11201&listingId=329275373 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=11201&listingId=329275373)
Yes. Actually, he can get a 2009 CTS, or even an STS, for under 20k. I'm big on the depreciation of Caddys. Some great deals out there.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
Yes. Actually, he can get a 2009 CTS, or even an STS, for under 20k. I'm big on the depreciation of Caddys. Some great deals out there.
yeah, the newer CTS is a vastly more practical choice, but Sporty wants a stickshift, and that combo is absurdly rare.
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 01, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
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http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=11201&listingId=329275373 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=11201&listingId=329275373)
You are a Cadillac man, through and through, Vince. :ohyeah:
Later gen Maxima 3.5L
Ford Fusion SE
Cadillac CTS or any entry-level car
Civic Si or any sport compact
One of my Accord buddys just got that CTS-V. Really likes it but its killing him on gas lmao. I could do one of those too. Theyre cheap and easy.
There's just so much out there....don't limit yourself to something you've had before.
RX-8... duh
Quote from: 2o6 on October 01, 2012, 07:33:17 PM
There's just so much out there....don't limit yourself to something you've had before.
Or anything mundane or mainstream. No Civics, Accords, or Camrys. You're young and hip with a new and beautiful bride. Get something that says just that, but budget and practicality has to be important as well. I'm sticking to my suggestions.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 07:39:01 PM
Or anything mundane or mainstream. No Civics, Accords, or Camrys. You're young and hip with a new and beautiful bride. Get something that says just that, but budget and practicality has to be important as well. I'm sticking to my suggestions.
:hesaid:
Chevy Cruze
V8 Audi S4
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
Yes. Actually, he can get a 2009 CTS, or even an STS, for under 20k. I'm big on the depreciation of Caddys. Some great deals out there.
So that's OK, but a 1 year older BMW with 4k less miles will be a crapshoot that you wouldn't trust?
Have another :facepalm:
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 07:43:43 PM
So that's OK, but a 1 year older BMW with 4k less miles will be a crapshoot that you wouldn't trust?
Have another :facepalm:
Did you post a 2008 M5 for under 20K? Hang on...
Nope. A 10 year old M5 with 90,000 miles (150,000 km).
:facepalm: Back at you, Rags.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 06:06:27 PM
Used GTI is OK, but my friends have one... its not a bad car at all, but it didn't leave me like 'mmmmmmmmm DAMN'.
Maybe not, but it's the best option of those listed for < $20k.
No way would I buy a 100k mile M5 as a family car.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 07:43:43 PM
So that's OK, but a 1 year older BMW with 4k less miles will be a crapshoot that you wouldn't trust?
Have another :facepalm:
Those CTS are pretty much GM partsbin and are fairly standard to work on and fix.
M5's aren't.....
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 07:48:58 PM
Did you post a 2008 M5 for under 20K? Hang on...
Nope. A 10 year old M5 with 90,000 miles (150,000 km).
:facepalm: Back at you, Rags.
I was talking about the car Vinsanity posted, an '04 CTS-V with 94k miles which you agreed that was a great car (which it is, I think it's a great suggestion too).
Way to be obtuse on purpose.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 01, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
Those CTS are pretty much GM partsbin and are fairly standard to work on and fix.
M5's aren't.....
M5's are quite reliable with proper maintenance.
And I've included the conditional "if he has the money for maintenance" twice already...
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 07:56:01 PM
I was talking about the car Vinsanity posted, an '04 CTS-V with 94k miles which you agreed that was a great car (which it is, I think it's a great suggestion too).
Way to be obtuse on purpose.
I was talking Cadillacs as an idea in general. Good deals on a great car due to deep depreciation. You're still pissed at me for ragging on you for ripping your car apart, aren't you. I was drunk. Get over it.
:lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 07:57:21 PM
M5's are quite reliable with proper maintenance.
And I've included the conditional "if he has the money for maintenance" twice already...
He cannot finance it though. Dropping 20k on such an old car, at this stage of his life, makes it a bad option. I like M5's, but let's be realistic here.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
A4 Quattro Sportwagon, 2.0T, black leather interior. Sporty, this is the car I imagine you in. I just looked at autotrader and seen a few under 20k with 40-65k miles.
It's also not particularly great to drive.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 06:26:21 PM
Is throwing 20k cash down on a car a good idea for a newly married couple?
Depends on his savings + income. Doesn't seem like they're strapped for cash.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 07:59:06 PM
I was talking Cadillacs as an idea in general. Good deals on a great car due to deep depreciation. You're still pissed at me for ragging on you for ripping your car apart, aren't you. I was drunk. Get over it.
:lol:
Yeah, kinda, because you were being a massive tool, and you thought I was too stupid to put a headunit in my car.
And also because you seem to inexplicably have a raging boner for the A4 right now. :devil:
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 08:01:25 PM
He cannot finance it though. Dropping 20k on such an old car, at this stage of his life, makes it a bad option. I like M5's, but let's be realistic here.
He didn't say anything about his finances. He gave us his criteria and I'm suggesting the best car that I know of (and have some personal experience with). Whether or not he can drop $20k on a car is his call, not yours. Plus it sounds like he made this thread for fun because he doesn't even want to spend more than $5k on a car.
Quote from: 850CSi on October 01, 2012, 08:01:48 PM
It's also not particularly great to drive.
Depends on his savings + income. Doesn't seem like they're strapped for cash.
Do it. 10 year old, 0-60 in 3.9 seconds $20,000 on the hood BMW M5 with 100,000 miles on the clock for a young New York renting couple planning to start a family. Bestest idea ever to come out of CarSpin.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 08:06:00 PM
Do it. 10 year old, 0-60 in 3.9 seconds $20,000 on the hood BMW M5 with 100,000 miles on the clock for a young New York renting couple planning to start a family. Bestest idea ever to come out of CarSpin.
Quote
I'm not buying this till I leave NY
1. I'm not sure how 3.9 seconds is relevant
2. 100k miles is really pretty much nothing on these cars
Never claimed it was the most practical idea. It's certainly the best to drive by a country mile.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 07:39:01 PM
Or anything mundane or mainstream. No Civics, Accords, or Camrys. You're young and hip with a new and beautiful bride. Get something that says just that, but budget and practicality has to be important as well. I'm sticking to my suggestions.
I don't need a car to say that lol. But it will be a good excuse to get a nice car lol
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
He didn't say anything about his finances. He gave us his criteria and I'm suggesting the best car that I know of (and have some personal experience with). Whether or not he can drop $20k on a car is his call, not yours. Plus it sounds like he made this thread for fun because he doesn't even want to spend more than $5k on a car.
Makes sense, then, to look at something he can finance using his $5000 as a downpayment, still under warranty, still cool and fast. Audi A4, VW GTi, or maybe even a 3-series BMW.
Quote from: 850CSi on October 01, 2012, 08:07:15 PM
1. I'm not sure how 3.9 seconds is relevant
2. 100k miles is really pretty much nothing on these cars
Never claimed it was the most practical idea. It's certainly the best to drive by a country mile.
Missed the leaving NY part. Is he planning to buy a house?
B7 S4 Avant
MkV/VI A3
Saab 9-5 Aero
E90 3 series wagon
Mazda RX-8 (easier to get a child seat into this than into a contemporary TL thanks to the suicide doors)
MkVI Golf GTI/TDI four door
B6 Passat
B5 Passat W8 wagon
E46 M3 and a bus pass for your kids
Lots of choices.
Quote from: Laconian on October 01, 2012, 05:59:02 PM
Is a great interior an asset or a liability?
Kids are going to destroy the car.
I'm pretty sure you can get front and rear seat covers, from the factory too.
Quote from: Submariner on October 01, 2012, 08:53:34 PM
I'm pretty sure you can get front and rear seat covers, from the factory too.
Just put a plastic bag over the kids' mouths to catch all the vomit.
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Just put a plastic bag over the kids' mouths to catch all the vomit.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
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IS300
Quote from: Rockraven on October 01, 2012, 08:09:56 PM
Missed the leaving NY part. Is he planning to buy a house?
Hell yea... dont know when but it has to happen.
Quote from: Raza on October 01, 2012, 08:40:58 PM
B7 S4 Avant More my speed
MkV/VI A3 GTI is cheaper
Saab 9-5 Aero Def would check out
E90 3 series wagon Deceptively quick, would consider
Mazda RX-8 (easier to get a child seat into this than into a contemporary TL thanks to the suicide doors) Not worth it for the gas mileage, as brilliant as it may be
MkVI Golf GTI/TDI four door I need to drive my buddy's MKV again to see what the hell the fuss is about. I didn't see it. Would rather an older VR6 version to be 100% honest
B6 Passat I guess, with the VR6 only though, if it came in stick
B5 Passat W8 wagon Nightmare
E46 M3 and a bus pass for your kids I would struggle with child seats in this if they fit at all... if they made this in a 4dr it would be no brainer
Lots of choices.
Inevitability says you?re just going to end up with a G37 anyway.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 02, 2012, 05:51:48 AM
I find it odd that you didn't like the MkV GTI, but would prefer an older, slower version from one of the two worst generations of Golfs, the ones that almost ruined the Golf's reputation due to being slow, not fun to drive, and unreliable. It might be a feel thing. The controls of the MkV feel very different from any Japanese car I've ever driven. Better, but also different.
The B6 Passat 2.0T is a pretty quick car (it doesn't weigh that much more than a Jetta GLI), and again, the engine takes to light mods like an ECU tune really well. 2.0T plus $600 chip equals 25% more horsepower and nearly 50% more torque. Plus, the stick only came in the basic models, so they'll be dirt cheap to buy. Also worth looking at a CC, although they're not that practical. My friend has one, and it was shocking how much more usable space my Jetta had for being much smaller.
I suggested the A3 because I thought you might appreciate a little extra luxury over the GTI, though I probably wouldn't buy one myself; all benefits of that generation A3 are marginal. I don't even think we got the AWD models in stick here. And the RX-8 because it made it into your 20mpg cutoff and is easy to get child seats into. Trunk's small though, don't know about a stroller. Personally, I wouldn't buy one. Horrible gas mileage, questionable reliability. And the M3 was tongue-in-cheek.
Quote from: Xer0 on October 02, 2012, 07:16:55 AM
Inevitability says you?re just going to end up with a G37 anyway.
I hope that's not the fate of us all. I can't see myself in a tarted up 4,000 pound Nissan. But yeah, that would fit his needs pretty well.
Get a Fiat Panda. :praise:
Quote from: Xer0 on October 02, 2012, 07:16:55 AM
Inevitability says you?re just going to end up with a G37 anyway.
I do like the 1st gen G35. I could do a sedan. G37 is too heavy, too complicated and not much faster. Any connectivity gap could be closed by the aftermarket. Raza is def gonna wind up in a G37 convertible, once they make them in stickshift.
Quote from: Raza on October 02, 2012, 07:20:24 AM
I find it odd that you didn't like the MkV GTI, but would prefer an older, slower version from one of the two worst generations of Golfs, the ones that almost ruined the Golf's reputation due to being slow, not fun to drive, and unreliable. It might be a feel thing. The controls of the MkV feel very different from any Japanese car I've ever driven. Better, but also different.
The B6 Passat 2.0T is a pretty quick car (it doesn't weigh that much more than a Jetta GLI), and again, the engine takes to light mods like an ECU tune really well. 2.0T plus $600 chip equals 25% more horsepower and nearly 50% more torque. Plus, the stick only came in the basic models, so they'll be dirt cheap to buy. Also worth looking at a CC, although they're not that practical. My friend has one, and it was shocking how much more usable space my Jetta had for being much smaller.
I suggested the A3 because I thought you might appreciate a little extra luxury over the GTI, though I probably wouldn't buy one myself; all benefits of that generation A3 are marginal. I don't even think we got the AWD models in stick here. And the RX-8 because it made it into your 20mpg cutoff and is easy to get child seats into. Trunk's small though, don't know about a stroller. Personally, I wouldn't buy one. Horrible gas mileage, questionable reliability. And the M3 was tongue-in-cheek.
If I got any VW it would have to be a VR6 (and if I did an Audi it would have to be a turbo V6 or V8). Just not crazy about their 4 bangers. MK3/4 GTI were bad cause they got crazy heavy w/o adding enough power. But the VR6s did. I would rock the shit out of a GTI VR6, if not for the reliability. Passat VR6 sounds nice but again Altima/Maxima V6 is a safer choice.
RX-8 is a dynamic beast but again the gas mileage/performance tradeoff is just too great for me.
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Terrible thread.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 02, 2012, 08:20:00 AM
I do like the 1st gen G35. I could do a sedan. G37 is too heavy, too complicated and not much faster. Any connectivity gap could be closed by the aftermarket. Raza is def gonna wind up in a G37 convertible, once they make them in stickshift.
If I got any VW it would have to be a VR6 (and if I did an Audi it would have to be a turbo V6 or V8). Just not crazy about their 4 bangers. MK3/4 GTI were bad cause they got crazy heavy w/o adding enough power. But the VR6s did. I would rock the shit out of a GTI VR6, if not for the reliability. Passat VR6 sounds nice but again Altima/Maxima V6 is a safer choice.
You do realize that the V6 MkIV GTI was slower to 60 than the 1.8T, right? I know you hate turbos for no reason, and that's stupid, so you should get a car with VW's 2.0T.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 02, 2012, 09:00:14 AM
I sort of agree...
Your suggestion would probably just be a 1998 Ford ZX-2 or something.
Two Yarises, James May style.
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Quote from: Raza on October 02, 2012, 09:41:53 AM
Two Yarises, James May style.
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I see that more as 2o6 Kevin's next car
Quote from: thecarnut on October 02, 2012, 09:25:29 AM
Your suggestion would probably just be a 1998 Ford ZX-2 or something.
I suggested a few cars a couple pages back, they got shot down.
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 02, 2012, 09:43:59 AM
I see that more as 2o6 Kevin's next car
Nah, Sporty's into big engines, so that will have an inline 8. They don't even make those anymore.
WRX waggin.
-Can haul four adults up a mountain pass without breaking a sweat; in the snow.
-HUGE aftermarket for whatever your priorities happen to be; handling, power, or both.
-Won't break unless you hit it really hard with the Idiot stick.
I'm a little surprised you aren't more of a Scoob guy, Sporty. They seem like they'd be more or less right up your alley.
IMO, a hawkeye WRX wagon is calling your name.
I'd go for the 06/07, or 09+. Skip 08 entirely.
Quote from: S204STi on October 02, 2012, 10:00:57 AM
WRX waggin.
-Can haul four adults up a mountain pass without breaking a sweat; in the snow.
-HUGE aftermarket for whatever your priorities happen to be; handling, power, or both.
-Won't break unless you hit it really hard with the Idiot stick.
Plus, you can turn it into a FFR 818.
Quote from: S204STi on October 02, 2012, 10:04:00 AM
I'd go for the 06/07, or 09+. Skip 08 entirely.
Definitely. Goes without saying.
I'm not going to read the thread to see what everyone else suggested, but I think the G37 would do you fine.
I don't read this too, but my vote goes to an Accent, or a Veloster turbeau
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 02, 2012, 10:14:53 AM
I don't read this too, but my vote goes to an Accent, or a Veloster turbeau
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Why do you keep recommending the Veloster? It's a boring car....
The Subaru idea is growing on me. Old Outbacks are cheap enough to offset the bad gas mileage. Low key, roomy, stupid silly aftermarket, engine swaps galore. I still really do like the 9-2X Aero as well even for what they want for it.
If you like working on cars, get the Saab.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 02, 2012, 10:35:42 AM
If you like working on cars, get the Saab.
Why, because it'll consume him with its necessity to be constantly worked on?
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 02, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
Why, because it'll consume him with its necessity to be constantly worked on?
:ohyeah:
Quote from: SVT666 on October 02, 2012, 10:40:09 AM
:ohyeah:
(http://images.auction123.com/4eda73f1-6859-41c6-bba8-15c1ef5653c0/YS3EH49G933001259/39.jpg?webimage001l)
That thing doesn't look like much fun to work on.
I love working on plastic engines.
Viggen coupe for you.
Viggen 5 door for your wife.
Viggen convertible for the weekends.
Job done.
Quote from: Raza on October 02, 2012, 10:52:33 AM
Viggen coupe for you.
Viggen 5 door for your wife.
Viggen convertible for the weekends.
Job done.
Will be great training for forearms too.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 02, 2012, 11:06:31 AM
Will be great training for forearms too.
http://www.abbottracing.net/product.php?id_product=205
See, OEM engineers don't know everything.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 02, 2012, 11:33:09 AM
See, OEM engineers don't know everything.
I said most of the time. The Viggen is a rare exception. :wub:
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/3296343663.html
Less mileage than my car has right now. :lol:
Quote from: 68_427 on October 01, 2012, 09:17:52 PM
IS300
Somehow this went unnoticed. I think that's a great idea actually, probably the best so far.
e.g., http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/3274966199.html
Hell I'd think of getting an IS instead of leasing a car. It'd have to be an auto, but so what.
Quote from: 850CSi on October 02, 2012, 11:57:30 AM
Somehow this went unnoticed. I think that's a great idea actually, probably the best so far.
e.g., http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/3274966199.html
Leaky crank gasket. That's potentially a $3000 repair. Nice car though.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 02, 2012, 12:00:08 PM
Leaky crank gasket. That's potentially a $3000 repair. Nice car though.
That one's auto too. Was posting it more for proof of concept than anything.
Hell you could probably get one for <$6k if you go older/higher miles (which I'm assuming [perhaps dubious assumption] wouldn't be a problem because... Toyota reliability)
Quote from: 850CSi on October 02, 2012, 11:57:30 AM
Somehow this went unnoticed. I think that's a great idea actually, probably the best so far.
e.g., http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/3274966199.html
Hell I'd think of getting an IS instead of leasing a car. It'd have to be an auto, but so what.
Way too small for kids and shit. Maybe a Sportcross can handle the cargo that comes with tiny human poop factories, but those rear accommodations are really cramped. 89.2 cubic feet on the interior isn't bad on paper (my amazingly roomy Jetta had only 91 cubic feet), trunk space is 10.1 cubic feet (Jetta was 16), but here's the big difference:
Overall length:
IS300: 176.6"
MkV Jetta: 179.3"
Rear Legroom:
IS300: 30.2"
MkV Jetta: 35.4"
Toyota Yaris 3 door: 33.3"
Older cars suck for packaging.
Oh, and Sportcrosses were automatic only.
Buddy of mine had an IS in high school. Thoroughly disappointing back then
You don't like anything.
(http://images.exchangeandmart.co.uk/images/mmo/trade/AWB/15526/AWB13340449/image1_400.jpg)
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 02, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
Buddy of mine had an IS in high school. Thoroughly disappointing back then
Really? I've never driven one, but every review I've head made it sound like it was even more tossable than the E46 was.
E39 M5 is crazy as a daily I think.
Much better and close in fun would be a last model year (I think '05) E46 sedan with ZHP (perf package)
GTI / GLI also very good choices.
How much is an early E90 325i? Also a great choice.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 02, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
You don't like anything.
O I like a lot. I come off more opinionated here than I actually am because its entertaining.
ZHP is a gem. Very good pick
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 02, 2012, 08:19:47 PM
O I like a lot. I come off more opinionated here than I actually am because its entertaining.
ZHP is a gem. Very good pick
Corolla 2ZZ
Wait, that's not funny.
My advice is that you should make sure it sounds good.
This thread sucks, nothing is going to come of it anyways.
And a big serious LOL for the naivety surrounding keeping a 100k mile E39 M5 working as a daily driver. I worked with a guy for a few years with one. Anytime I asked how his car was doing, he about had a breakdown about how it was going to bankrupt his family. It was pretty sad honestly.
Quote from: MrH on October 04, 2012, 08:59:29 AM
This thread sucks, nothing is going to come of it anyways.
And a big serious LOL for the naivety surrounding keeping a 100k mile E39 M5 working as a daily driver. I worked with a guy for a few years with one. Anytime I asked how his car was doing, he about had a breakdown about how it was going to bankrupt his family. It was pretty sad honestly.
For real. I love the E39 M5, don't get me wrong, but you guys really think it would make a practical and economical DD? LOL.
And my friend puts 10k on his M5 every year, says that maintenance is expensive but the car is very reliable and has driven it up and down from the Bay Area to LA multiple times. Your point?
Quote from: thecarnut on October 04, 2012, 09:22:03 AM
And my friend puts 10k on his M5 every year, says that maintenance is expensive but the car is very reliable and has driven it up and down from the Bay Area to LA multiple times. Your point?
Well, it's not like 10,000 miles is a lot.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28191.msg1788796#msg1788796 date=1349364337
Well, it's not like 10,000 miles is a lot.
Not to you, maybe, but Sporty already has a bike as well. It depends on how much he's going to drive the car. I was under the assumption that it wouldn't get driven as much as normal so an M5 would be perfect.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 04, 2012, 09:22:03 AM
And my friend puts 10k on his M5 every year, says that maintenance is expensive but the car is very reliable and has driven it up and down from the Bay Area to LA multiple times. Your point?
He's a one-in-a-million type of guy; statistically they're nowhere near as reliable as most other cars.
Besides, 10K isn't a lot. I've put 10K on my Yaris in the six months I've owned it.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 04, 2012, 09:28:28 AM
He's a one-in-a-million type of guy; statistically they're nowhere near as reliable as most other cars.
Besides, 10K isn't a lot. I've put 10K on my Yaris in the six months I've owned it.
Your job is (was?) to deliver food. Raza drove across like 4 states to get to work. You guys don't count.
Isn't the average 12-13k per year?
Quote from: MrH on October 04, 2012, 08:59:29 AM
This thread sucks, nothing is going to come of it anyways.
And a big serious LOL for the naivety surrounding keeping a 100k mile E39 M5 working as a daily driver. I worked with a guy for a few years with one. Anytime I asked how his car was doing, he about had a breakdown about how it was going to bankrupt his family. It was pretty sad honestly.
You know what they say about the statistical significance of anecdotes. And whose to say nothing will come of it. Generally if I start talking about buying something, I buy it... been the case with the bike, camera, phone etc. We are trying to leave NYC and when we do I will need a car. You dont like the thread, don't post in it... o wait, too late :violin:
And yea this car would pretty much be a bad weather/road trip kind of car, so consumables and all that are not really that big of a deal.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 04, 2012, 09:31:41 AM
Your job is (was?) to deliver food. Raza drove across like 4 states to get to work. You guys don't count.
Isn't the average 12-13k per year?
Delivery radius is only ~2 miles. And although my driving has gone down, I still drive around 300 miles a week.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 04, 2012, 09:43:58 AM
You know what they say about the statistical significance of anecdotes. And whose to say nothing will come of it. Generally if I start talking about buying something, I buy it... been the case with the bike, camera, phone etc. We are trying to leave NYC and when we do I will need a car. You dont like the thread, don't post in it... o wait, too late :violin:
And yea this car would pretty much be a bad weather/road trip kind of car, so consumables and all that are not really that big of a deal.
Aw yeah I win
Quote from: 2o6 on October 04, 2012, 09:46:08 AM
Delivery radius is only ~2 miles. And although my driving has gone down, I still drive around 300 miles a week.
Damn you and your cheaper gas. I use my longboard around town to not use any gas. :cry: :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on October 04, 2012, 09:49:07 AM
Damn you and your cheaper gas. I use my longboard around town to not use any gas. :cry: :lol:
No, I just make more than you do currently, and I budget for these things. There is no bus system in the midwest, and my job is around 7 miles away. That's not quite 15 miles, round trip. Plus school, and friends, and shopping, and other stuff...miles tack on quickly.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 02, 2012, 10:35:42 AM
If you like working on cars, get the Saab.
The 9-2X Aero is basically a WRX. True story.
Right now I drive about 250 miles in a month. It's nice since I don't have to worry about gas mileage. :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on October 04, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
No, I just make more than you do currently, and I budget for these things. There is no bus system in the midwest, and my job is around 7 miles away. That's not quite 15 miles, round trip. Plus school, and friends, and shopping, and other stuff...miles tack on quickly.
True, but even when I did make money (in school and when I worked at a retail store for a month) I rarely drove. Saving gas (and money) is so much nicer.
Yea I stopped riding the Kawi to work. KHS is more fun and cheaper + faster (!!!)
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 04, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
Yea I stopped riding the Kawi to work. KHS is more fun and cheaper + faster (!!!)
Your bicycle is more fun than your motorcycle?!
Although there is something amazing about zooming through heavy city traffic on a road bike.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 04, 2012, 08:42:42 PM
Your bicycle is more fun than your motorcycle?!
Although there is something amazing about zooming through heavy city traffic on a road bike.
In the city, yea. Traffic has got to be apocalyptic for me not to get through, and of course I don't have to wait for lights. Plus its physical and engaging. And for my commute at least, a good 3-5 minutes faster (big on a 15-20 minute ride).
Quote from: thecarnut on October 04, 2012, 07:30:58 PM
True, but even when I did make money (in school and when I worked at a retail store for a month) I rarely drove. Saving gas (and money) is so much nicer.
Not driving is nicer than driving? And you people don't believe me when I say the automotive enthusiast is all but dead.
Quote from: Raza on October 04, 2012, 09:46:02 PM
Not driving is nicer than driving? And you people don't believe me when I say the automotive enthusiast is all but dead.
I guess you fail to realize that 90% of driving is just boring. I find no pleasure in sitting in traffic or dealing with pothole-riddled streets, and of I have to travel a short distance I'd rather get there on my own power.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 04, 2012, 11:34:01 PM
I guess you fail to realize that 90% of driving is just boring. I find no pleasure in sitting in traffic or dealing with pothole-riddled streets, and of I have to travel a short distance I'd rather get there on my own power.
If 90% of driving is boring to you then either you need a better car or you need to move. A great car makes even mundane driving feel special.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28191.msg1789187#msg1789187 date=1349434038
If 90% of driving is boring to you then either you need a better car or you need to move. A great car makes even mundane driving feel special.
O pls. Look, driving for men is like sex for women. You are one of those chicks who gets off just from penetration (you lucky bitch). You are getting to be like ChrisV with this driving enjoyment stuff. Most people need more and are not "un-enthusiasts" because of that. Come drive in NYC or go drive in the city of LA and see how much "excitement" you get out of sitting in traffic.
Yes a good car can
improve a mundane drive. But a drive on which all 3 conditions (car, road, conditions) are ideal never gets old. That is why I have nothing but hate for people with access to nasty backroads. That is why people blow big money on track days with wife-angering regularity, even in cars that are relatively ho-hum.
On my ride to work on the motorcycle there's about half a mile of road worth driving on (a cut across Central Park). IF I'M LUCKY its clear for me to rip it, and its over in literally about 30 seconds. Then its back to the cabs, grids and lights. On a motorcycle!!! Which is way more engaging + memorable than most cars. Rides to the beach are the worst as well. Just shit roads and traffic or long boring ass highways that take me about 2x out of my way (thanks Robert Moses). A legitimately good drive has all 3 components in sync. I would even argue that the road + conditions (traffic + weather) are slightly more important than the car.
*EDIT* Didn't see the "need to move" part. Still not valid, if you don't work somewhere with a nice commute. Most white collar jobs are in cities where by default roads are shit. So then you'd be moving further from work to have access to roads you might drive on 2-3 times a week, if you have the time and $$$ to burn for gas. I would rather just carve a day or two out of each month to get out + away from the city and do a mountain loop or track day. My 15 minute commute >>>>>>>>> nice roads everyday.
Riding your motorcycle in NYC traffic is also probably like sex for women. All you really want to do is get off and get on with your day, but instead you have to sit there doing all kinds of work while getting yelled at, getting all sweaty and ruining your hair, and wondering the entire time why you went with the "sport" model over the "luxury" one.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2012, 06:44:07 AM
Riding your motorcycle in NYC traffic is also probably like sex for women. All you really want to do is get off and get on with your day, but instead you have to sit there doing all kinds of work while getting yelled at, getting all sweaty and ruining your hair, and wondering the entire time why you went with the "sport" model over the "luxury" one.
:lol:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 05, 2012, 06:01:28 AM
O pls. Look, driving for men is like sex for women. You are one of those chicks who gets off just from penetration (you lucky bitch). You are getting to be like ChrisV with this driving enjoyment stuff. Most people need more and are not "un-enthusiasts" because of that. Come drive in NYC or go drive in the city of LA and see how much "excitement" you get out of sitting in traffic.
Yes a good car can improve a mundane drive. But a drive on which all 3 conditions (car, road, conditions) are ideal never gets old. That is why I have nothing but hate for people with access to nasty backroads. That is why people blow big money on track days with wife-angering regularity, even in cars that are relatively ho-hum.
On my ride to work on the motorcycle there's about half a mile of road worth driving on (a cut across Central Park). IF I'M LUCKY its clear for me to rip it, and its over in literally about 30 seconds. Then its back to the cabs, grids and lights. On a motorcycle!!! Which is way more engaging + memorable than most cars. Rides to the beach are the worst as well. Just shit roads and traffic or long boring ass highways that take me about 2x out of my way (thanks Robert Moses). A legitimately good drive has all 3 components in sync. I would even argue that the road + conditions (traffic + weather) are slightly more important than the car.
*EDIT* Didn't see the "need to move" part. Still not valid, if you don't work somewhere with a nice commute. Most white collar jobs are in cities where by default roads are shit. So then you'd be moving further from work to have access to roads you might drive on 2-3 times a week, if you have the time and $$$ to burn for gas. I would rather just carve a day or two out of each month to get out + away from the city and do a mountain loop or track day. My 15 minute commute >>>>>>>>> nice roads everyday.
Hey man, I live in the fifth largest city in the country and I'm still enjoying 90% of my drives. Yeah, bumper to bumper traffic sucks, but that can't make the whole drive suck unless you focus on that part only and let it ruin the moments when it's not bumper to bumper. It's like letting a bad day at work ruin the rest of your day.
And I know you're all up on motorcycles now, but most of the time it seems like you're not enjoying riding it, uncomfortable, or crashing.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28191.msg1789221#msg1789221 date=1349445626
Hey man, I live in the fifth largest city in the country and I'm still enjoying 90% of my drives. Yeah, bumper to bumper traffic sucks, but that can't make the whole drive suck unless you focus on that part only and let it ruin the moments when it's not bumper to bumper. It's like letting a bad day at work ruin the rest of your day.
And I know you're all up on motorcycles now, but most of the time it seems like you're not enjoying riding it, uncomfortable, or crashing.
When the whole ride is bumper to bumper, essentially, what is there to enjoy? The brief rip down my block and across the park? A bad drive is a bad drive, whether you delude yourself it isn't or not.
I do enjoy my rides now, because I primarily only go on rides I know at the most won't suck, or that I will enjoy. And again, my two crashes were both almost a year ago, within weeks of me just starting to ride a bike that was too powerful for a beginner in conditions that a beginner shouldn't have been in. I still enjoy blasts out to my parents' place and I enjoy the hell out of the twisties, even though it takes a good 1-2 hours for me just to get to them. And I take what I can. On my commute for example theres that crossing of the park on the way to work. On the way back there is a little technical set of chicanes around the Met Life building that are good to attack when traffic is clear. Bridge offramps have some nice sweepers. Its not all bad but often times it is.
Riding/driving around saying "I AM ENJOYING THIS" != enjoying the ride/drive. Some folks just don't live in areas where driving is generally fun. I don't see why you don't get that.
Quote from: Raza on October 05, 2012, 04:47:18 AM
If 90% of driving is boring to you then either you need a better car or you need to move. A great car makes even mundane driving feel special.
I'm with Rags on this one. S2k in traffic was every bit as boring in traffic as the Caddy, and probably even a bit more irrirating. In a situation like this, something like a Camry hybrid would be a "better car" than a harsh-riding sports car.
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 05, 2012, 09:48:50 AM
I'm with Rags on this one. S2k in traffic was every bit as boring in traffic as the Caddy, and probably even a bit more irrirating. In a situation like this, something like a Camry hybrid would be a "better car" than a harsh-riding sports car.
You just dont have enough of the ability to appreciate driving.
I agree, but some cars can strike a good compromise. Sports sedans/coupes are pretty ideal for blending driving pleasure with comfort. First generation TSX 4 banger with 6MT? Comfortable, fun, surprisingly economical, with a smooth engine and some modding potential.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2012, 06:44:07 AM
Riding your motorcycle in NYC traffic is also probably like sex for women. All you really want to do is get off and get on with your day, but instead you have to sit there doing all kinds of work while getting yelled at, getting all sweaty and ruining your hair, and wondering the entire time why you went with the "sport" model over the "luxury" one.
sigged :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on October 05, 2012, 11:47:53 AM
I agree, but some cars can strike a good compromise. Sports sedans/coupes are pretty ideal for blending driving pleasure with comfort. First generation TSX 4 banger with 6MT? Comfortable, fun, surprisingly economical, with a smooth engine and some modding potential.
I still wouldn't enjoy driving that in traffic. But I'd probably enjoy being in that more in traffic than my car.
My school was the worst. Nothing worse than being stuck in traffic going up a steep hill with some other dickwad parked on your rear bumper. I just skipped on buying the $450 parking permit ( :wtf: ) and either listened to music on the bus or just biked up, which was faster than driving or the bus, and woke me up by the time I got to campus.
But according to Raza, I'm not a car enthusiast since I don't enjoy sitting in stop and go traffic.
I don't think any car could be *fun* in stop and go, except maybe for one that dispensed mechanical blowjobs when the car is safe and stationary.
Quote from: Laconian on October 05, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
I don't think any car could be *fun* in stop and go, except maybe for one that dispensed mechanical blowjobs when the car is safe and stationary.
A motorcycle would be the best, actually. Just split the lanes and be on your way.
(I'd never do that, though. Don't trust cars enough to see me coming up right next to them)
Splitting lanes can be OK. Just have to go at a pace that matches your skills.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 05, 2012, 09:28:00 AM
When the whole ride is bumper to bumper, essentially, what is there to enjoy? The brief rip down my block and across the park? A bad drive is a bad drive, whether you delude yourself it isn't or not.
Yeah, if you only get to drive in bumper to bumper traffic, move.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 05, 2012, 11:54:00 AM
But according to Raza, I'm not a car enthusiast since I don't enjoy sitting in stop and go traffic.
You said saving gas is better than driving.
Quote from: Raza on October 05, 2012, 01:29:18 PM
You said saving gas is better than driving.
Yeah, I'd rather not waste gas on boring driving. I save my gasoline to go bombing around the back roads in the mountains instead. IMO it's way more fun to ride a bicycle or skateboard instead of sitting in traffic, and you also get to save gas and burn it all having fun on twisty roads instead. It's a win-win situation and I don't understand how you don't see it as anything else.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 05, 2012, 01:37:26 PM
Yeah, I'd rather not waste gas on boring driving. I save my gasoline to go bombing around the back roads in the mountains instead. IMO it's way more fun to ride a bicycle or skateboard instead of sitting in traffic, and you also get to save gas and burn it all having fun on twisty roads instead. It's a win-win situation and I don't understand how you don't see it as anything else.
Different strokes, I guess. I'd rather sit in traffic than use a skateboard, but I guess I can see how always being in bumper to bumper traffic would sour you on driving.
Quote from: Raza on October 05, 2012, 01:53:24 PM
Different strokes, I guess. I'd rather sit in traffic than use a skateboard, but I guess I can see how always being in bumper to bumper traffic would sour you on driving.
Your commute is also so far that riding a bicycle or skateboard is out of the question.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28191.msg1789187#msg1789187 date=1349434038
If 90% of driving is boring to you then either you need a better car or you need to move. A great car makes even mundane driving feel special.
+1
Mr Call_911 says the A4 is boring, but I thoroughly enjoy driving 90% of the time. Just drop her in 2nd and hit 6000 RPM and then the rest of life's problems will go away.
Quote from: Raza on October 05, 2012, 01:53:24 PM
Different strokes, I guess. I'd rather sit in traffic than use a skateboard, but I guess I can see how always being in bumper to bumper traffic would sour you on driving.
We are not sour on driving completely. I would rather drive than ride my bicycle to my parents place for example. When I lived out by my parents I didn't mind the commute both to work and into the city for school- largely because I wasn't stuck in traffic. But now the best way for me to commute is by bicycle. Not a knock on driving or my motorcycle, just my take on my situation. What works for you doesn't work for everybody.
I'm baffled how anyone with a Miata can be sour on driving. That shit cray.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 05, 2012, 07:02:23 PM
I'm baffled how anyone with a Miata can be sour on driving. That shit cray.
My old NA Miata was a wonderful car to zip around town in, but
miserable in rush-hour traffic.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 04, 2012, 09:43:58 AM
You know what they say about the statistical significance of anecdotes. And whose to say nothing will come of it. Generally if I start talking about buying something, I buy it... been the case with the bike, camera, phone etc. We are trying to leave NYC and when we do I will need a car. You dont like the thread, don't post in it... o wait, too late :violin:
And yea this car would pretty much be a bad weather/road trip kind of car, so consumables and all that are not really that big of a deal.
Lol you want to talk statistics? Go ahead and look up some facts on an E39 M5. They're laughably bad.
Quote from: MrH on October 05, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
Lol you want to talk statistics? Go ahead and look up some facts on an E39 M5. They're laughably bad.
Dude, take a walk.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 05, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
Dude, take a walk.
:lol:
Is that just slang for you don't want to deal with the reality of your make-believe car buying scenario? Ok, just clarifying.
Quote from: MrH on October 05, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
Lol you want to talk statistics? Go ahead and look up some facts on an E39 M5. They're laughably bad.
[citation needed]
Can I interest you in some classic 1970s American land yacht? :praise:
Or how about a 1980s Chevrolet Citation. Those actually looked very cool. Still do. :praise:
Quote from: MrH on October 06, 2012, 09:20:12 AM
:lol:
Is that just slang for you don't want to deal with the reality of your make-believe car buying scenario? Ok, just clarifying.
What reality is there to deal with? Have I lied to anyone here? We all know I'm not buying this car soon, and I never said I was :shrug:. This is no different from those other "WWYD w/30K for a car" threads, but with a twist. Why does it bother you so much (which it clearly does)? Like I said, take a walk, its nowhere near as serious as you're trying to make it to be.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 06, 2012, 10:31:36 AM
Can I interest you in some classic 1970s American land yacht? :praise:
Or how about a 1980s Chevrolet Citation. Those actually looked very cool. Still do. :praise:
Man, it was bad enough with the 70's land-barge fetish. Now you're progressing into Citations. What's next? K-cars and Omnis?