This little hatch has been getting rave reviews everywhere. Now Chris Harris chimes in:
http://youtu.be/2xwecTp91-o
I know the design is.....ahem...."controversial"....but other than that this seems like a baby 1M. Here it is arriving this month at 15K below what my car cost, about even with an Audi S3 (keep in mind the above comparison is vs. the much more expensive RS3).
It's looking like a fantastic Q-car.
38MPG!?
Quote from: 850CSi on October 18, 2012, 12:59:57 PM
38MPG!?
Imperial, about 31 US MPG, still impressive.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 18, 2012, 01:09:10 PM
Imperial, about 31 US MPG, still impressive.
Yah, just saw this (subscribed)
This is good, M cars for the common man, somewhat. I wonder if we will get this or the regular 1 hatch at all here.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 18, 2012, 02:34:46 PM
Yah, just saw this (subscribed)
This is good, M cars for the common man, somewhat. I wonder if we will get this or the regular 1 hatch at all here.
Not the hatch, but you will get something similar in the form of a M235i coupe.
However, I like the practicality + ultra performance of the hatch.
I just checked and it is finally up on BMW Mexico configurator (http://www.bmw.com.mx/mx/es/general/ecom_configurator/configurador_ecom.html). It's coming in both 3 and 5 door variants.
I'd only add the better stereo and the adaptive dampers (and keep the auto tranny). Comes in at US$51,100. This is a seriously good performance & all around option down here. After watching the video I got curious and started reading the reviews on the European & Australian rags. Every single one has nothing but praise for the car.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 18, 2012, 03:35:37 PM
I just checked and it is finally up on BMW Mexico configurator (http://www.bmw.com.mx/mx/es/general/ecom_configurator/configurador_ecom.html). It's coming in both 3 and 5 door variants.
I'd only add the better stereo and the adaptive dampers (and keep the auto tranny). Comes in at US$51,100. This is a seriously good performance & all around option down here. After watching the video I got curious and started reading the reviews on the European & Australian rags. Every single one has nothing but praise for the car.
wat
Friend of mine is thinking about a 135i. I wish I he could buy one of these instead... but still, great cars.
Quote from: S204STi on October 18, 2012, 05:22:50 PM
Friend of mine is thinking about a 135i. I wish I he could buy one of these instead... but still, great cars.
135i is fine but I think this is an improvement, independent of body style, this new generation has some fundamental improvements. It seems to understeer a lot less (from the reviews) + the new auto tranny is superb + the usual improved gadgetry.
The RS3 and the TT-RS both seem to blindingly fast on the track yet "dull" in test reviews. I have to wonder if these cars are just exceptionally deceptive in their speed and the understeer comment just are a result of flat out entering the corners too fast.
The tester can shrug off the lap time difference all he wants, but the bmw is on summer performance tires.and.the Audi is not. Thats huge. He proved in a straight line they are about equal. So if the Audi handling is that horrid, how foes it overcome the huge tire gap and convincingly beat the bmw?
300+ HP RWD car with an open diff? No thanks.
Quote from: r0tor on October 19, 2012, 06:11:20 AM
The RS3 and the TT-RS both seem to blindingly fast on the track yet "dull" in test reviews. I have to wonder if these cars are just exceptionally deceptive in their speed and the understeer comment just are a result of flat out entering the corners too fast.
The tester can shrug off the lap time difference all he wants, but the bmw is on summer performance tires.and.the Audi is not. Thats huge. He proved in a straight line they are about equal. So if the Audi handling is that horrid, how foes it overcome the huge tire gap and convincingly beat the bmw?
If a car is deceptive in its speed its probably boring to drive even at the limit. But the Audi, like all Audis save the R8, is probably notoriously nose heavy and thus does have some legit understeer issues. I also don't think this one had the active rear diff, which helps correct it. Understeer sucks because it punishes the driver for pushing the car, which is the whole point of a hot hatch. So I can def see why dude didnt enjoy it. As for why the Audi was faster, I think it had a good clip more power, and the advantage of AWD to blast out of turn exits- esp the tighter stuff.
Faster != better
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 06:26:14 AM
300+ HP RWD car with an open diff? No thanks.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 06:26:14 AM
300+ HP RWD car with an open diff? No thanks.
Maybe this will change your mind. :praise:
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/224423_436151946420373_1132979858_n.jpg)
The drag race proves it doesn't have any better acceleration anywhere in the powerband.
With an awd car you can chuck it into a turn way too fast and usually nothing will happen but it plows. Thats not understeer, thats over driving. If you can't turn from a neutral gas/brake position or can't put power down early do to the front end pushing wide - thats true understeer. The lap times seem to indicate to me the car is easily over driven because it's incredibly forgiving - ot that it has terminal understeer.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 19, 2012, 08:35:21 AM
Maybe this will change your mind. :praise:
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/224423_436151946420373_1132979858_n.jpg)
No, not really. I have a 300+ hp RWD car. If the roads are wet and I put my foot down in 3rd gear @ 30 mph (which is ~2100 RPM in my car), the car will start to accelerate normally without any slip but as soon as it hits 3500 RPM, you can feel the back end starting to get squirrely as BOTH rear tires (I have a limited slip diff) start to break loose. BMW's 3.0L Turbo has more torque than my car and at equally low, if not lower, RPMs. I suspect the TCS light will be getting a workout in wet roads unless you are very judicious with your right foot.
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
No, not really. I have a 300+ hp RWD car. If the roads are wet and I put my foot down in 3rd gear @ 30 mph (which is ~2100 RPM in my car), the car will start to accelerate normally without any slip but as soon as it hits 3500 RPM, you can feel the back end starting to get squirrely as BOTH rear tires (I have a limited slip diff) start to break loose. BMW's 3.0L Turbo has more torque than my car and at equally low, if not lower, RPMs. I suspect the TCS light will be getting a workout in wet roads unless you are very judicious with your right foot.
I have the same problem with my car and I only have 143-horsepower. :tounge:
I'm no fan of the new 1-Series, but with the M-Body Kit like in the photo I posted, they do look "interesting".
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 19, 2012, 08:47:41 AM
I have the same problem with my car and I only have 143-horsepower. :tounge:
I'm no fan of the new 1-Series, but with the M-Body Kit like in the photo I posted, they do look "interesting".
Your 143 hp car will break both rear tires loose under power at 55 mph in 3rd gear without using any drivetrain "shock" techniques (clutch popping or similar)? I don't think so. I had a 155 hp RWD car, with open diff, that wouldn't do that. Romping on it in 2nd gear in the rain, especially while cornering, it would one wheel peal, but out of 2nd gear you weren't going to break the tires loose simply by applying throttle unless you were on snow/ice (wouldn't break loose in the wet).
The M135i has an e-diff that is independent of the DSC. It will brake the spinning wheel even when dsc is off to transfer power to the other end. I won't argue here about it's effectiveness (a true LSD is of course better) but many reviews I read mention that it works pretty well.
There is a comment in the video by harris about diffs that intrigued me. He says an LSD can actually increase initial understeer. How does that work?
And Wimmer, really do you have traction problems on dry surfaces? Can't believe it.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 09:06:34 AM
The M135i has an e-diff that is independent of the DSC. It will brake the spinning wheel even when dsc is off to transfer power to the other end. I won't argue here about it's effectiveness (a true LSD is of course better) but many reviews I read mention that it works pretty well.
There is a comment in the video by harris about diffs that intrigued me. He says an LSD can actually increase initial understeer. How does that work?
And Wimmer, really do you have traction problems on dry surfaces? Can't believe it.
With a limit slip, the rear axle will tend to want to behave like a solid axle up until the point where the difference in forces on the inside and outside tires exceeds the slip threshold of the differential. This tends to make a car not want to turn/rotate as the inside and outside tires fight each other (the outside wants to spin faster, the inside slower). It has a similar effect as when a stability control system drags the outside rear brake to try to curb oversteer. With an open diff, the inside and outside tires are free to spin at different speeds, so there is no resistance to rotation from the rear axle.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 19, 2012, 08:35:21 AM
Maybe this will change your mind. :praise:
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/224423_436151946420373_1132979858_n.jpg)
In that M trim, it actually does look decent.
Quote from: r0tor on October 19, 2012, 08:39:56 AM
The drag race proves it doesn't have any better acceleration anywhere in the powerband.
With an awd car you can chuck it into a turn way too fast and usually nothing will happen but it plows. Thats not understeer, thats over driving. If you can't turn from a neutral gas/brake position or can't put power down early do to the front end pushing wide - thats true understeer. The lap times seem to indicate to me the car is easily over driven because it's incredibly forgiving - ot that it has terminal understeer.
Audis are notorious for power-on understeer (aka true understeer). This thing is a 350HP Golf R.... I would be surprised if it DIDN'T understeer.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 09:06:34 AM
There is a comment in the video by harris about diffs that intrigued me. He says an LSD can actually increase initial understeer. How does that work?
I see it like this. Torque split requirements change for tight turns and sweepers. An LSD tuned for tight turns would make the rear end squirrely at high speed. It would make the car rotate more than the driver wanted to. On the flip side, an LSD tuned for long sweepers and high speed turns wouldn't rotate the car enough at low speed tight turns. IOW understeer. So there is an art to getting it right. I remember the Quaife in my second Accord literally pulling the car into and through turns when I gave it gas. I never got to track it so I didn't get to find out how it would do at high speed sweepers fully loaded. It worked great though but I could see that being a problem in a RWD car.
In any case e-diffs and even this brake driven system have an advantage in their all-speed/condition adaptability.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 09:06:34 AM
The M135i has an e-diff that is independent of the DSC. It will brake the spinning wheel even when dsc is off to transfer power to the other end. I won't argue here about it's effectiveness (a true LSD is of course better) but many reviews I read mention that it works pretty well.
There is a comment in the video by harris about diffs that intrigued me. He says an LSD can actually increase initial understeer. How does that work?
And Wimmer, really do you have traction problems on dry surfaces? Can't believe it.
Lotus said the same thing when they added an LSD as an option for the Elise, and recommended it only for buyers who will be taking their car to a track, since it's supposed to be of greater benefit there than on the road. I'm not sure of the reason either.
Thanks for the explanation.
I think the LSD on recent M cars like my cars works a bit differently. It's supposed to variably apply locking force in proprtion to the speed difference between the wheels. This would make it not influence turn-in, right, acting like an open diff then?
Or is all that about variable M differential just BMW marketing-speak?
The latest M5/6 have a different system too that is electronically controled somehow.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 09:23:58 AM
Thanks for the explanation.
I think the LSD on recent M cars like my cars works a bit differently. It's supposed to variably apply locking force in proprtion to the speed difference between the wheels. This would make it not influence turn-in, right, acting like an open diff then?
Or is all that about variable M differential just BMW marketing-speak?
The latest M5/6 have a different system too that is electronically controled somehow.
Not all limited slips are created equal. There are a number of different types that behave differently. Some have a fixed torque split value under all conditions, some 3 set values (powered, neutral, braking), some are speed-sensing, some are torque-sensing.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 19, 2012, 09:17:53 AM
Audis are notorious for power-on understeer (aka true understeer). This thing is a 350HP Golf R.... I would be surprised if it DIDN'T understeer.
Power on understeer would contradict you previous explanation of how the Audi is faster because it put power down better coming out of a turn...
Quote from: r0tor on October 19, 2012, 09:54:57 AM
Power on understeer would contradict you previous explanation of how the Audi is faster because it put power down better coming out of a turn...
Not necessarily...
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 06:26:14 AM
300+ HP RWD car with an open diff? No thanks.
I've never really lamented the lack of a slippy diff on my car, but I'd also want one with that much power.
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 09:01:46 AM
Your 143 hp car will break both rear tires loose under power at 55 mph in 3rd gear without using any drivetrain "shock" techniques (clutch popping or similar)? I don't think so. I had a 155 hp RWD car, with open diff, that wouldn't do that. Romping on it in 2nd gear in the rain, especially while cornering, it would one wheel peal, but out of 2nd gear you weren't going to break the tires loose simply by applying throttle unless you were on snow/ice (wouldn't break loose in the wet).
No, none of that. My back tends to break out in wet/winter conditions even with gentle steering input. See my post to Hector below.
Maybe I misunderstood your initial post. I thankfully don't have to worry about "extra power" in my car. :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 09:01:46 AMAnd Wimmer, really do you have traction problems on dry surfaces? Can't believe it.
Not in the dry (unless it's a sandy surface), in the wet and winter. Do you get the 1er 5-Door E87 in Mexico? It's not a particularly fun car to drive in the wet/winter as the back has a tendency to break out even at low speed even with gentle steering input. This has happened to me a couple of times in the city in the winter (twice in the rain in the summer). With time I've become accustomed to the cars handling in these conditions but it still happens.
Stability control kills any rear end action in my car, so it's fine in the winter.
Quote from: r0tor on October 19, 2012, 09:54:57 AM
Power on understeer would contradict you previous explanation of how the Audi is faster because it put power down better coming out of a turn...
Even with understeer it still has AWD. It doesn't have to be "run off the track" understeer for it to be understeer.
Bottom line there was something about the car dude didn't like. Maybe it wasn't understeer, but just a lack of feedback from the car letting dude know the limits which prompted over driving. The car was not communicating/doing things dude wanted it to as well as the M135 was.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 09:23:58 AM
Thanks for the explanation.
I think the LSD on recent M cars like my cars works a bit differently. It's supposed to variably apply locking force in proprtion to the speed difference between the wheels. This would make it not influence turn-in, right, acting like an open diff then?
Or is all that about variable M differential just BMW marketing-speak?
The latest M5/6 have a different system too that is electronically controled somehow.
MX793 pretty much nailed it. Mechanical diff is like a 2 to 3 position switch, whereas an electronic diff like the M-Diff is a dimmer. Both can be bad if improperly programmed but if both are well programmed I think an electronic diff can eek out better performance/feedback.
Power on understeer would not allow the driver to apply full power coming out of a turn - thus no awd traction advatage is seen
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 09:01:46 AM
Your 143 hp car will break both rear tires loose under power at 55 mph in 3rd gear without using any drivetrain "shock" techniques (clutch popping or similar)? I don't think so. I had a 155 hp RWD car, with open diff, that wouldn't do that. Romping on it in 2nd gear in the rain, especially while cornering, it would one wheel peal, but out of 2nd gear you weren't going to break the tires loose simply by applying throttle unless you were on snow/ice (wouldn't break loose in the wet).
My 167 hp car will do it at about 5k rpm. :lol:
Tires are also pretty worn out.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 19, 2012, 03:55:04 PM
My 167 hp car will do it at about 5k rpm. :lol:
Tires are also pretty worn out.
You can break tires loose in third gear from a roll in a straight line in the wet? I'm honestly surprised, as my 240SX wouldn't do that.
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 04:04:13 PM
You can break tires loose in third gear from a roll in a straight line in the wet? I'm honestly surprised, as my 240SX wouldn't do that.
My tires have close to 45k miles on them. In the wet, especially during the first rain when it's greasier, you can feel the rear end moving around very easily even in a straight line. You do have to get on the throttle quite a bit at higher RPM's but you can do it easily if you want to. Definitely not as easy as your Mustang and definitely not at 3500 RPM.
Quote from: r0tor on October 19, 2012, 02:42:24 PM
Power on understeer would not allow the driver to apply full power coming out of a turn - thus no awd traction advatage is seen
Can you apply full power coming out of a turn in a RWD car? Won't it just break the back loose?
Anyway, ignore the RS3.
This is better:
(http://www.fourtitude.com/emAlbum/albums/Marques%20(Audi%20Brand%20Group)/Audi%20(Modern%20Era)/TT%20RS/from%202006%20(Type%208J)/Coupe/(UK)/audi_tt_8j_ttrs_rs_turbo_uk_023.jpg)
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 19, 2012, 06:00:44 PM
Anyway, ignore the RS3.
This is better:
Not so much. It drives similarly and was likewise beaten by the 1M in every comparo. It's also in an even more expensive category than the RS3 so not really relevant for this comparison.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 19, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
Can you apply full power coming out of a turn in a RWD car? Won't it just break the back loose?
You can countersteer.
Stopped by at the dealership to take a look earlier today. Loved it:
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0583.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0586.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0589.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0591.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0584.jpg)
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 07:17:17 PM
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0583.jpg)
All I can think of is this
(http://www.mobydiskrecords.es/images/star_wars_stormtrooper_black_hole_vcd2.jpg)
:lol:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 07:17:17 PM
Stopped by at the dealership to take a look earlier today. Loved it:
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0583.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0586.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0589.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0591.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_0584.jpg)
That M body kit goes a long, long way to fixing the 1's looks. Not perfect, but not embarrassing.
Glad to hear this car is good. When I first read about it, I thought it was going to be a rather whimpy follow up to the 1M which is one of my favorite current BMW's. I wonder, does BMW have plans to do a full M 1er, or are they content with this?
As for Audi, they have been peddling Golfs with way too much power for way too long that get progressively worse the more power you give them. And Audi loves giving everything way too much power.
Quote from: Xer0 on October 19, 2012, 08:42:19 PM
That M body kit goes a long, long way to fixing the 1's looks. Not perfect, but not embarrassing.
Glad to hear this car is good. When I first read about it, I thought it was going to be a rather whimpy follow up to the 1M which is one of my favorite current BMW's. I wonder, does BMW have plans to do a full M 1er, or are they content with this?
As for Audi, they have been peddling Golfs with way too much power for way too long that get progressively worse the more power you give them. And Audi loves giving everything way too much power.
There will be a full on M car for the 2-series coupe that will use the same basic platform as this hatch. As for the hatch, this is probably tops.
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2012, 04:04:13 PM
You can break tires loose in third gear from a roll in a straight line in the wet? I'm honestly surprised, as my 240SX wouldn't do that.
I can easily do it in 2nd, but yeah probably not third.
To add a bit of additional info. This video I just found is 1M vs. RS3 - damp track.
Take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQHC4H6ionE
Quote from: 850CSi on October 19, 2012, 09:24:00 PM
I can easily do it in 2nd, but yeah probably not third.
Don't underestimate my bald 5 year old summer tires in the wet. :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on October 19, 2012, 10:15:00 PM
Don't underestimate my bald 5 year old summer tires in the wet. :lol:
:lol:
I've only had my tires for around 20k miles I think, and the noise is already starting to annoy me.
Buying tires sucks, there seems to be so little out there in the way of reviews/opinions/etc
Quote from: 850CSi on October 19, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
:lol:
I've only had my tires for around 20k miles I think, and the noise is already starting to annoy me.
Buying tires sucks, there seems to be so little out there in the way of reviews/opinions/etc
The Tire Rack has thousands of user reviews for each model and a very well organized ranking system based on those.
Best tires today (summer) are Michelin Pilot Super Sports for performance.
Quote from: r0tor on October 19, 2012, 02:42:24 PM
Power on understeer would not allow the driver to apply full power coming out of a turn - thus no awd traction advatage is seen
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 19, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
Can you apply full power coming out of a turn in a RWD car? Won't it just break the back loose?
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 07:15:16 PM
You can countersteer.
Can anyone else see the bullshit here?
Let's not break with the facts...AWD cars generally pull out of corners much better than RWD cars.
A nose heavy Audi, won't though.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 20, 2012, 07:51:54 AM
A nose heavy Audi, won't though.
But the rs3 and ttrs whoops butt on the track... So it does
Depends on the suspension tuning and F/R power split. :huh:
The BMW is nice, except for the tail lights.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 11:34:04 PM
The Tire Rack has thousands of user reviews for each model and a very well organized ranking system based on those.
Best tires today (summer) are Michelin Pilot Super Sports for performance.
Ehhh, Dunlop's Star Specs will destroy the PSS tires in all performance measures, but if you are looking for a comfy quiet ride, are probably not the best choice.
Quote from: hotrodalex on October 20, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
Depends on the suspension tuning and F/R power split. :huh:
I don't know. On one hand, its pretty hard to break traction on an AWD car. But at the same time, w/all the weight on the nose, and an improperly set up AWD system, its not hard to overload the front wheels under power either. Thats why they make all that torque vectoring crap. Plus I bet this Golf Quattro weighs a good clip more than the M135i overall.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 19, 2012, 11:34:04 PM
The Tire Rack has thousands of user reviews for each model and a very well organized ranking system based on those.
Best tires today (summer) are Michelin Pilot Super Sports for performance.
Kumho V710s are way better.
Quote from: Char on October 21, 2012, 05:38:19 PM
Ehhh, Dunlop's Star Specs will destroy the PSS tires in all performance measures, but if you are looking for a comfy quiet ride, are probably not the best choice.
Star specs are an auto-x compound... So they heat up nice and quickly, however for long lapping sessions on a real trackthey leave some things to be desired
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 22, 2012, 07:47:24 AM
I don't know. On one hand, its pretty hard to break traction on an AWD car. But at the same time, w/all the weight on the nose, and an improperly set up AWD system, its not hard to overload the front wheels under power either. Thats why they make all that torque vectoring crap. Plus I bet this Golf Quattro weighs a good clip more than the M135i overall.
It either understeers or it doesnt coming out of a turn.... Simply put lap times point to the answer being no.
Quote from: 850CSi on October 19, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
Buying tires sucks, there seems to be so little out there in the way of reviews/opinions/etc
German car mags will do tire test quite often. Of course they focus on the most popular sizes. The 3er might be among those depending on what tire combo you have. What size do you have?
Quote from: r0tor on October 22, 2012, 11:13:02 AM
It either understeers or it doesnt coming out of a turn.... Simply put lap times point to the answer being no.
I disagree. What the reviewer here thinks is that the car could achieve better lap times (and be more fun to drive) if it didn't understeer.
Lap times have nothing to do with a car's balance.
I recall reading that the 1M understeers quite a lot.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 22, 2012, 12:14:29 PM
I recall reading that the 1M understeers quite a lot.
Well, out of literally tens of tests that praised the car for neutrality or even called it for its tendency to oversteer (to which I can attest), there was one review in M/T by Randy Probst who disliked the car extremely. Either:
a) That car was wrong in some way (tires, pressure, who knows?)
b) Randy was angry that his ass was being handed to him week in and week out in the ALMS by the M3s that run there
My car has been driven by the best rally driver in Mexico (Benito Guerra) and I can tell you - absolutely no understeer.
The M135i may handle a bit differently but it is evident in the video that Harris is absolutely frustrated with the Golf.
Quote from: r0tor on October 22, 2012, 11:11:24 AM
Star specs are an auto-x compound... So they heat up nice and quickly, however for long lapping sessions on a real trackthey leave some things to be desired
I'd wager that Star Specs will put up better fast lap times than PSS. Period.
2 cars with identical acceleration. One is faster with worse tires. How do you achieve this without great balance?
Honestly I would love to figure out how the rs3, tt-s, and TT-RS put down such phenomenal lap times. If you look at the last car and drive lightening lap, the TT-RS was way taster then it should ever be.
Quote from: Char on October 22, 2012, 03:40:35 PM
I'd wager that Star Specs will put up better fast lap times than PSS. Period.
First lap maybe... They overheat quickly
Quote from: r0tor on October 22, 2012, 05:14:19 PM
First lap maybe... They overheat quickly
And get greasy, and still spank the PSS. There is no comparison.
Pilot Super Sports are rich guy tires. I don't intend to ever buy a set.