Poll
Question:
Which wheels would you pick?
Option 1: Enkei RPF1
votes: 2
Option 2: Enkei Raijin
votes: 3
Option 3: OZ Formula HLT
votes: 1
Option 4: Enkei Lusso
votes: 1
Option 5: Enkei EKM3
votes: 0
Option 6: TSW Nurburgring
votes: 5
Option 7: Other (post below)
votes: 4
Alright, sounds like we got one more snow storm coming in Sunday night, then I'll be making the switch to summer wheels and tires. Here's what I'm considering right now. I'm still completely undecided on color, and most of these are available in hyper silver, gunmetal gray, black, and gold. All are on the table as possibilities right now. So if you like one of the wheels in the poll, but in a different color, please say so in the comments. Likely running 225 width tires on both the front and rear (I don't want to do the staggered setup some guys are running).
(https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/enkei_racing/swap/enkei_rpf1_gold_ci3_l.jpg)
(https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/enkei_tuning/swap/enkeitun_raijin_gm_ci3_l.jpg)
(https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/oz/swap/oz_formulahlt_g_ci3_l.jpg)
(https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/enkei_performance/swap/enkeiperf_lusso_hs_ci3_l.jpg)
(https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/enkei_performance/swap/enkei_ekm3_gm_ci3_l.jpg)
(http://www.tsw.com/img/nurburgring_bronze_pop_std.jpg)
Are the RPF1s available in the dark gunmetal Enkei had for a while?
If so: those.
Gold wheels would be douchey. I know it's true to the rally heritage blah blah blah, but you know who else cares about that? Bros with lids.
#2 and last one are my picks.
I'd pick OZ...when I was in college all I wanted was a blue WRX with gold OZ superleggera wheels.
Quote from: Laconian on March 22, 2013, 07:40:05 PM
Gold wheels would be douchey.
not with a blue subaru. we'll have to agree to disagree!
Quote from: MaxPower on March 22, 2013, 07:41:17 PM
not with a blue subaru. we'll have to agree to disagree!
its more of a bronze that goes with those though...
(https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/enkei_performance/swap/enkeiperf_lusso_hs_ci3_l.jpg)
This one
EKM3 and Lusso look meh, TSW and Raijin look OK, the OZ's look meh as well (and you might as well save a ton of cash and go with XXR 527s), and the RPF1 looks weird if it's not at least 9" wide (which is pushing it for a 225 wheel).
So none. :lol:
How about Ronal Teddy Bears?
Quote from: thecarnut on March 22, 2013, 07:44:28 PM
EKM3 and Lusso look meh, TSW and Raijin look OK, the OZ's look meh as well (and you might as well save a ton of cash and go with XXR 527s), and the RPF1 looks weird if it's not at least 9" wide (which is pushing it for a 225 wheel).
So none. :lol:
Don't just come in here and poo poo on everything :lol: Offer up something else instead.
The RPF1's would be 9" wide. I could run 245s on it without a problem with a 45 mm offset :huh: That'd be a whole lot of tire for a 2700 lb car
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2013, 07:39:52 PM
Are the RPF1s available in the dark gunmetal Enkei had for a while?
If so: those.
Looks like those are on special order only. Not seeing them anywhere.
Quote from: MaxPower on March 22, 2013, 07:40:31 PM
I'd pick OZ...when I was in college all I wanted was a blue WRX with gold OZ superleggera wheels.
Supperleggeras are a possibility. I like those new Formula HLTs better though I think.
Quote from: Laconian on March 22, 2013, 07:40:05 PM
Gold wheels would be douchey. I know it's true to the rally heritage blah blah blah, but you know who else cares about that? Bros with lids.
#2 and last one are my picks.
Lammmmme
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2013, 07:44:11 PM
(https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/enkei_performance/swap/enkeiperf_lusso_hs_ci3_l.jpg)
This one
They're heavy though :/
My coworker said I should get something outrageous like red wheels. I laughed, but I sadly do like the look of these:
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/69169_4172591191861_507491900_n.jpg)
Quote from: thecarnut on March 22, 2013, 07:44:28 PM
EKM3 and Lusso look meh, TSW and Raijin look OK, the OZ's look meh as well (and you might as well save a ton of cash and go with XXR 527s), and the RPF1 looks weird if it's not at least 9" wide (which is pushing it for a 225 wheel).
So none. :lol:
Why does the width matter?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2013, 07:55:17 PM
Why does the width matter?
RPF1's that are 8" and narrower look like this:
(http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s561/schafferj/rims_zps6251494d.jpg)
9" and wider look like this:
(http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/wheels5.jpg)
I don't like how the narrower rims' spokes poke out. They look like a spider or something to me. :lol:
Has just as much to do with the offset as it does the width, right?
Quote from: MrH on March 22, 2013, 07:50:25 PM
Don't just come in here and poo poo on everything :lol: Offer up something else instead.
The RPF1's would be 9" wide. I could run 245s on it without a problem with a 45 mm offset :huh: That'd be a whole lot of tire for a 2700 lb car
Looks like those are on special order only. Not seeing them anywhere.
Supperleggeras are a possibility. I like those new Formula HLTs better though I think.
Lammmmme
They're heavy though :/
My coworker said I should get something outrageous like red wheels. I laughed, but I sadly do like the look of these:
[img width=800 height=533]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/69169_4172591191861_507491900_n.jpg[img]
I didn't know you were going with a 9" wheel. I figured you were going 8 or less because you said you'd get 225 tires and that's pretty narrow on a 9" rim. In that case, RPF1 in SBC for sure. Gold is also nice.
Quote from: MrH on March 22, 2013, 08:09:35 PM
Has just as much to do with the offset as it does the width, right?
I don't believe so. Don't quote me on that, though.
All the low offset convex RPF1's I've seen have a really deep center hub.
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_qvQgfPoWkhw/TSj0VwpCg1I/AAAAAAAAD70/xyU_tUj5N8U/s800/DSC02261.JPG)
The front wheel is an 8" and is convex and the center is super sunken in. They could've made that concave but I don't think they make 8" wheels concave.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 22, 2013, 08:07:11 PM
RPF1's that are 8" and narrower look like this:
(http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s561/schafferj/rims_zps6251494d.jpg)
9" and wider look like this:
(http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/wheels5.jpg)
I don't like how the narrower rims' spokes poke out. They look like a spider or something to me. :lol:
Just because of the lip? You know that's a function of offset more than overall width, right?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2013, 08:14:51 PM
Just because of the lip? You know that's a function of offset more than overall width, right?
Not the lip, the spokes. FWIW I don't like deep lip wheels. I hate the convex spokes on the narrower wheels and as I said in the post above, as far as I can tell from the research I've done, whether an RPF1 is convex vs concave depends on the width, not offset.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 22, 2013, 08:16:16 PM
Not the lip, the spokes. FWIW I don't like deep lip wheels. I hate the convex spokes on the narrower wheels and as I said in the post above, as far as I can tell from the research I've done, whether an RPF1 is convex vs concave depends on the width, not offset.
I think you're seeing things that nobody else would notice, and even if people did, they likely wouldn't care.
but hey, if it bugs you, it bugs you I guess.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2013, 08:17:56 PM
I think you're seeing things that nobody else would notice, and even if people did, they likely wouldn't care.
but hey, if it bugs you, it bugs you I guess.
THEY LOOK LIKE SPIDERS. I HATE SPIDERS. :rage: :heated:
:lol:
But, I think a lot of people agree with me from what I've read.
I get what you're saying. There's a BRZ with 8" width RPF1's....they look turrrrrible.
I'm a big fan of the Raijin.
I do have to say I like the TSW in that color you posted.
TSW
I like the clean look of the TSW's. all the wheels pretty much have the same design concept (except the OZ's), and the TSWs pull it off really cleanly...mostly due to the smooth center hub. Looks great.
Stock
Why would you get non-OE wheels and non-OE tyres? Nobody knows what is better for your car than the OEM. They invested millions of dollars engineering your car, so why waste money ruining it? It's just a cheap little 4-banger Toyota, anyway. You couldn't possibly change anything about your car to suit your own purposes. If you think you need to change it, then you really just need to get rid of it and buy a different car.
[/OEM elitist idiot]
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 23, 2013, 11:37:30 AM
Why would you get non-OE wheels and non-OE tyres? Nobody knows what is better for your car than the OEM. They invested millions of dollars engineering your car, so why waste money ruining it? It's just a cheap little 4-banger Toyota, anyway. You couldn't possibly change anything about your car to suit your own purposes. If you think you need to change it, then you really just need to get rid of it and buy a different car.
[/OEM elitist idiot]
:rolleyes: Totally different than cutting springs? You want to come shit in my thread? Fine, go check the accent thread :evildude:
Quote from: MrH on March 23, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
:rolleyes: Totally different than cutting springs? You want to come shit in my thread? Fine, go check the accent thread :evildude:
sarcasam^2
TSW.
I'd do the TSW. Some of the other meshy wheels have a kind of outward dish you'd see on a FWD car.
I would do OZ Superleggeras as they are simple and clean looking (which I think suits the BRZ) and very light weight, though I don't know how they compare to the other wheels listed in that regard.
I def second wanting to stay with the 225, unless you desire to run a turbo or something. What tires are you thinking?
OZ Ultraleggeras.
(http://www.ozracing.com/images/products/tecnichals/400x400/ozracing_racing_ultraleggera_racegold.png)
Plz to be no gold wheelz
BRZ is 5x100 right?
Anyways, none of those look great
Wedssport tc105n
they are obviously good enough for this stupid Civic
(http://www.modifiedplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/car-photo-2008-honda-civic-17x9-weds-sport-tc105n-tc-105n-wheels.jpg)
I think Wedsports are way more expensive than any of those wheels that H posted.
If we're going to suggest such baller wheels, might as well go for Volk TE37's.
I'd never run Wedsports or Volks or whatever the fuck on a street-driven car. I'd be forever paranoid about walking back to find the car on blocks.
Either the Raijins or the TSWs.
You should choose the wheel with the greatest dynamic shear modulus and air capacity.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 23, 2013, 11:45:24 PM
I think Wedsports are way more expensive than any of those wheels that H posted.
If we're going to suggest such baller wheels, might as well go for Volk TE37's.
But they're better
What specs? Then I cam decide
http://www.kamispeed.com/WedsSport-TC105N-BRZ-FR-S-DGM-Edition-p/wds.tc15ndgm.htm (http://www.kamispeed.com/WedsSport-TC105N-BRZ-FR-S-DGM-Edition-p/wds.tc15ndgm.htm)
BRZ edition
(http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8466/8107280981_3fba060810.jpg)
LOL $2k just on rims. WTF man.
Oh come on. Mike is ballin'
It would be like another $1600 for tires too. More than I'd like to spend :(
At that price, I would get real bbs wheels. I think I'm down to rpf1s, nurburgrings, and one of the oz multispoke. I think I like the look of the nurburgrings the best, but they're the heaviest.
Still need to decide on color. I'll post color options today. Looking at possibly some suspension stuff soon too. Forced induction won't come until it's paid off.
I also think that these on some meaty tires would look cool.
(http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/oz/swap/oz_leggenda_b_ci3_l.jpg)
Anyways out of the ones you've posted, I'd go with the OZs. Two of my friends have gold OZ rims, and they're both really happy with them. The styles are similar to the ones you've posted (Allegerita HLT and Prodrives) they are easy to clean, and protect with plastidip or similar because of the trait thin spokes.
I'd go ultrallegera or tsw if your sticking with something close to stock dimensions
Quote from: MrH on March 24, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
It would be like another $1600 for tires too. More than I'd like to spend :(
At that price, I would get real bbs wheels. I think I'm down to rpf1s, nurburgrings, and one of the oz multispoke. I think I like the look of the nurburgrings the best, but they're the heaviest.
Still need to decide on color. I'll post color options today. Looking at possibly some suspension stuff soon too. Forced induction won't come until it's paid off.
I'd skip the TSW if they're way heavier than the others.
And what the fuck kind of tires are you buying that are $400 a piece? :confused:
They all look fine, except for the gold ones. Those're lame.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 24, 2013, 09:57:06 AM
LOL $2k just on rims. WTF man.
I spent $400 on my wheels, and you guys jump down my throat about wasting money. Fucking assholes.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 24, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
I spent $400 on my wheels, and you guys jump down my throat about wasting money. Fucking assholes.
Let's see: more than decent and consistent salary + actual sporting-oriented car easily being paid down + stock wheels that are pretty lame
vs who knows if there is going to be money or money coming you can be bothered to work for + economy egg you're in constant danger of having repossessed + what is wrong with steelies on an economy car.
The fact that you need this explained to you (repeatedly) is kind of ridiculous.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 24, 2013, 03:35:54 PM
Let's see: more than decent and consistent salary + actual sporting-oriented car easily being paid down + stock wheels that are pretty lame
vs who knows if there is going to be money or money coming you can be bothered to work for + economy egg you're in constant danger of having repossessed + what is wrong with steelies on an economy car.
The fact that you need this explained to you (repeatedly) is kind of ridiculous.
The assholes speak again.
I bought my wheels back when I was working full time and making plenty of money.
Just fuck you. Fuck all of you.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 25, 2013, 11:31:18 AM
The assholes speak again.
I bought my wheels back when I was working full time and making plenty of money.
Just fuck you. Fuck all of you.
And then you quit!
Anyways, to get the thread back on track, here is an SBC RPF1:
(http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/gallery/page__module__images__section__img_ctrl__img__680991__file__med)
Which one's the lightest?
Get spinners.
The RPF1 looks weird. Like someone took a wheel center an inch smaller and adapted it to a bigger rim size.
What about the Kosei K4R, 14lb.. not bad.. and they don't look ugly like the Watanabe F8
http://www.carid.com/giovanna-wheels/barbados-chrome-4013789.html (http://www.carid.com/giovanna-wheels/barbados-chrome-4013789.html)
Just get these and call it a day
Quote from: NomisR on March 25, 2013, 03:08:10 PM
What about the Kosei K4R, 14lb.. not bad.. and they don't look ugly like the Watanabe F8
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7114/6975645410_ef7b699ec1_b.jpg)
Those look goofy. RWD cars shouldn't have wheels that look like they pop out like that.
Spinners or you're gay.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 25, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7114/6975645410_ef7b699ec1_b.jpg)
Those look goofy. RWD cars shouldn't have wheels that look like they pop out like that.
HEY! I have those wheels! They aren't goofy! :rage: :rage:
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 25, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7114/6975645410_ef7b699ec1_b.jpg)
Those look goofy. RWD cars shouldn't have wheels that look like they pop out like that.
I kind of like these actually
What tires are you leaning towards? You should have a fair amount of options at the size you are looking at
Eh they aren't my bag, they remind me of cheap Motegis.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 25, 2013, 05:56:27 PM
Eh they aren't my bag, they remind me of cheap Motegis.
That's weird because Motegis have always looked extremely cheap to me.
Quote from: LonghornTX on March 25, 2013, 04:46:41 PM
What tires are you leaning towards? You should have a fair amount of options at the size you are looking at
Still undecided. Any suggestions?
What's everyone's thoughts on these?
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/Phaedrus29_photo/sunvolks1.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/Phaedrus29_photo/sunvolks2.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/Phaedrus29_photo/volkson7.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/Phaedrus29_photo/volkson1.jpg)
You can laugh for the fake center lock cap....but fuck this looks good.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8574788509_5a0e2c2428_c.jpg)
Volk RE30? Won't that end up running you over $2k?
As far as tires, these will be summers only, right? If you're not going to be auto-xing too much, I'd go with Continental DW. If you want to auto-x or track your car, Direzza ZII, Hankook RS3 or BFGoodrich Rival.
Quote from: MrH on March 25, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
You can laugh for the fake center lock cap....but fuck this looks good.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8574788509_5a0e2c2428_c.jpg)
I don't think they look all that good.
Those look like spiders.
Always loved the gold wheels on the blue subaru.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 25, 2013, 06:57:59 PM
Volk RE30? Won't that end up running you over $2k?
As far as tires, these will be summers only, right? If you're not going to be auto-xing too much, I'd go with Continental DW. If you want to auto-x or track your car, Direzza ZII, Hankook RS3 or BFGoodrich Rival.
Under $1000 for the wheels. :huh:
Quote from: thecarnut on March 25, 2013, 06:58:21 PM
I don't think they look all that good.
They have them in matte gray too
Quote from: MrH on March 25, 2013, 07:13:58 PM
Under $1000 for the wheels. :huh:
They have them in matte gray too
Volks for under $1k? Where?
Quick google search shows $900 per wheel:
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/volk-racing-re30-himeta-bronze-premium-wheel-17x80-5x100-p-156656.html (http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/volk-racing-re30-himeta-bronze-premium-wheel-17x80-5x100-p-156656.html)
Bahahaha
:wtf: Totally thought that was per set. I'll just go ahead and delete that idea....
Who the fuck buys $3k+ wheels on a sub $30k car?
Quote from: MrH on March 25, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
Bahahaha
:wtf: Totally thought that was per set. I'll just go ahead and delete that idea....
Who the fuck buys $3k+ wheels on a sub $30k car?
Idiots. Or hardparkers who will never ever damage their wheels.
BTW even the OZ's are $350+ for 17" wheels and 18's are like $450 per wheel. :mask:
If you are going to track or auto-x the car I'd stay away from wheels that are expensive to replace. At $200 a wheel I'm not going to cry too hard if I break a K4R at the track.
Quote from: MrH on March 25, 2013, 06:51:07 PM
Still undecided. Any suggestions?
What's everyone's thoughts on these?
I don't like those at all.
Quote from: MrH on March 25, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
You can laugh for the fake center lock cap....but fuck this looks good.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8574788509_5a0e2c2428_c.jpg)
Nah, it really doesn't.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 25, 2013, 06:57:59 PM
Volk RE30? Won't that end up running you over $2k?
As far as tires, these will be summers only, right? If you're not going to be auto-xing too much, I'd go with Continental DW. If you want to auto-x or track your car, Direzza ZII, Hankook RS3 or BFGoodrich Rival.
I'm probably gonna get Rivals for my car. The Detroit Speed guys are running them on their cars now and get sweet autocross times.
Quote from: hotrodalex on March 25, 2013, 09:43:32 PM
I'm probably gonna get Rivals for my car. The Detroit Speed guys are running them on their cars now and get sweet autocross times.
I've been following the Rival vs Direzza ZII very closely and I've got mixed feelings on it. One one hand, the Rival is cheaper (about $15 cheaper for the size I want) but they don't have a lot of sizes, whereas the Dunlops come in way more sizes. In the dry, the Rivals are supposed to be slightly faster, but not by much, and in the wet, the ZII's are supposed to be amazing so I think they've got the Rivals beat out on that.
Plus, I've been reading on miata.net and some other sites that since the Rival only have 7/32 tread depth, that makes them illegal for a lot of SCCA races that require more than 7/32 depth. Not really a big deal for a DD but something to consider. I was also talking to a guy who autocrosses a heavily modified BRZ on ZII's and he says the Rivals won't last as long as the ZII's, but I guess time will tell if that's true or not.
I think it's like picking between two super models. There's a few differences, but either way you still end up with a super model.
I'm usually kind of biased to BFGoodrich since my dad used to sell them and has a few connections with them.
Quote from: hotrodalex on March 25, 2013, 09:57:27 PM
I think it's like picking between two super models. There's a few differences, but either way you still end up with a super model.
Basically. Since I'm not into SCCA stuff, I'd look at what's better in the wet and which one would last longer. I'm really interested in the Rival because of the price. I've always wanted the Hankook Ventus RS-3 because it's about $25 cheaper than the ZII, but the Rival is only $7 more than the RS3 while having a higher treadwear rating. I think ultimately RS3's have more grip but wear out far quicker than the other two.
Speed and times on the auto-x course or track don't bother me. I have a lot more learning to do before the difference between those two tires would make any difference to me. However I think if I replaced my DW's with the Rival or ZII I could knock off another 2 seconds or so from my time.
I am also of the opinion that while gold wheels generally look silly, on a blue Subaru it just seems to fit in.
Quote from: MrH on March 25, 2013, 06:51:07 PM
Still undecided. Any suggestions?
What's everyone's thoughts on these?
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/Phaedrus29_photo/sunvolks1.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/Phaedrus29_photo/sunvolks2.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/Phaedrus29_photo/volkson7.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u295/Phaedrus29_photo/volkson1.jpg)
I actually like these a lot. They would look cool against the blue, especially if the car was lowered. For tires, I would go with Michelin Super Sports. Best compromise between high performance and durability (you drive this car daily IIRC), since they have an ultra high wear rating due to their tech.
In the end man, go with what you like. You will be the one living with the car, not us. With all the sets of wheels I have ever gotten, there was always one that caught my eye.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 25, 2013, 06:57:59 PM
Volk RE30? Won't that end up running you over $2k?
As far as tires, these will be summers only, right? If you're not going to be auto-xing too much, I'd go with Continental DW. If you want to auto-x or track your car, Direzza ZII, Hankook RS3 or BFGoodrich Rival.
Im not a huge fan of my dw's
Quote from: r0tor on March 26, 2013, 04:05:37 PM
Im not a huge fan of my dw's
I don't like the steering feel that much (they have slightly squishy sidewalls) but they have a lot of dry grip and are amazing in the rain. A lot of auto-xer's I've talked to use them in the rain.
GET SOME ROTAS
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/HighRollN95/Xenogear/IMG_0234.jpg)
BAM
The rear end on that car... Sigh
That car is lowered. I hope they had a team of engineers redesign the entire suspension.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 27, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
That car is lowered. I hope they had a team of engineers redesign the entire suspension.
:wanker: You done being butthurt?
Quote from: MrH on March 27, 2013, 11:40:23 AM
:wanker: You done being butthurt?
You done being massive hypocrites/OEM elitists/ricers?
Yes. Because the picture of the car above is mine. :facepalm:
Quote from: MrH on March 27, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Yes. Because the picture of the car above is mine. :facepalm:
I've seen your car, and I think it looks good. Unfortuneately, I don't know anything about cars, so anything I like is probably wrong.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 27, 2013, 11:23:53 AM
The rear end on that car... Sigh
What's wrong with the rear? Unless you mean the rear of ALL FR-S/BRZ's. In which case I agree.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 27, 2013, 12:06:56 PM
I've seen your car, and I think it looks good. Unfortuneately, I don't know anything about cars, so anything I like is probably wrong.
Glad we cleared that up.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 27, 2013, 12:07:04 PM
What's wrong with the rear? Unless you mean the rear of ALL FR-S/BRZ's. In which case I agree.
It's sitting too low. The top of the tire behind the top of the fender/still wide open spaces front-to-back look looks shitty.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 27, 2013, 09:32:28 AM
GET SOME ROTAS
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/HighRollN95/Xenogear/IMG_0234.jpg)
BAM
Of all the options...those are the worst. Or maybe it's just that the car is far too low and thus looks really dumb.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 27, 2013, 12:57:40 PM
It's sitting too low. The top of the tire behind the top of the fender/still wide open spaces front-to-back look looks shitty.
Eh, the car appears to be level and doesn't have any weird rake going on. I'd raise the height slightly though.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 27, 2013, 01:05:13 PM
Of all the options...those are the worst. Or maybe it's just that the car is far too low and thus looks really dumb.
I wasn't being serious. But I do think those look really nice because they're essentially TE37 knockoffs.
My friend with the black BRZ just got goldish/bronze version of those. Looks pretty good. I just hate 5 and 6 spoke wheels. Not my style.
I'd rather see those wheels on a 350Z or something.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 27, 2013, 01:23:48 PM
Eh, the car appears to be level and doesn't have any weird rake going on. I'd raise the height slightly though.
Level schmevel, the height looks dumb.
Mike needs to get a Suzuki X90 and put some Ronal Bears on it, that's what this thread comes down to.
If they made 17x8 Ronal Bears that weighed 15 lb I'd get them for sure.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 27, 2013, 02:40:17 PM
If they made 17x8 Ronal Bears that weighed 15 lb I'd get them for sure.
Yeah that'll attract the ladies.
Quote from: hotrodalex on March 27, 2013, 07:28:07 PM
Yeah that'll attract the ladies.
Dude I'm an awkward dork who drives a gay hairdresser's car. I don't think I get the ladies wet as is.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 27, 2013, 02:20:43 PM
Level schmevel, the height looks dumb.
Mike needs to get a Suzuki X90 and put some Ronal Bears on it, that's what this thread comes down to.
You joke, but I wouldl totally rock a Suzuki X90. Why doesn't Ronal make tiger wheels?
Did you make up your mind yet, you fucking ricer?
Quote from: thecarnut on March 28, 2013, 07:14:03 PM
Did you make up your mind yet, you fucking ricer?
Nope. I'm a lame ricer and dragging my feet. Work beat me up pretty good this week, so I've just been relaxing. I'll post what I've got it narrowed down to tonight. Pretty much down the TSW Nurburgrings, RPF1s, and OZ multispokes (not the HLTs with the fake center locks though).
You thinking Ultraleggera?
(http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/oz/swap/oz_ultraleggera_gd_ci3_l.jpg)
This matte silver is sexy:
(http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/oz/swap/oz_ultraleggera_mgs_ci3_l.jpg)
They are only about $40-50 more per wheel for 17x8 and are 1.6lb heavier than equivalently sized RPF1's. I'd probably go with those if you didn't want a 9" wheel.
The new enkei m52 looks pretty nice and very affordable
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Quote from: hotrodalex on March 23, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
OZ Ultraleggeras.
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Totally sweet rims, dude
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Ok, I'm down to 3 wheels:
TSW Nurburgrings
Enkei RPF1s
OZ Ultraleggeras
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(http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/enkei_racing/cars/13_brz_rpf1_1.jpg)
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(http://gt86.com.au/forum/attachments/f21/1824d1349847690-o-z-ultraleggera-18x8-18x8-gray-gts.jpg)
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As you can see, still undecided on color.
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I'm a sucker for those gold Ultraleggeras.
Those TSWs... is that guy running too tall of a tire or something? It looks awful.
And I guess I actually like RP-F1s in that size.
Just pleeeeaaase do not get gold wheels. The gold/blue Subaru thing is so played to death.
I don't know if it's just those pictures but the TSW's do not look good at all on that car. Maybe it's the higher profile tires but it just look like crap.
The OZ's are nice but I'd go for the RPF1's as they're the lightest and widest, but only if you ware planning on going 235 or wider. If you're sticking to 225's or less then I'd go with the OZ's.
That guy is running on too tall of tires (235/45 when it should have been 235/40). Something else is off about them though too. Can't quite put my finger on it. They're the heaviest, and most difficult to order too. I'd prefer buying from Tire Rack, and having them delivered mounted and balanced already.
So I'm down to RPF1s and Ultraleggeras. RPF1s come in black, silver, and gold. Ultraleggeras come in white, bright silver, black, gold, and matte graphite silver (probably my favorite for the Ultraleggeras)
Graphite would be cool with the blue paint.
What size tires are you getting?
Quote from: thecarnut on April 07, 2013, 01:19:46 PM
What size tires are you getting?
If I'm getting the ultraleggeras: probably 235/40 or 225/40
On the RPF1s: 245/40
Looking at Bridgestone RE-11As. Thoughts?
Also considering Bridgestone S-04 Pole Position, Continental Extreme Contact DW. Any opinions on those?
OK, I choose RPF1 if you're going with 245's.
I don't think I'd get the RE11A's. They are expensive and their treadwear is low. S-04's are pricey but have high treadwear and were rated pretty well by C&D. Michelin PSS's are even more expensive but they are supposed to be amazing.
DW's are cheap as hell and are pretty much the best you can get for wet weather but aren't amazing in dry weather and have softer sidewalls so you give up some handling feel. I have them and they were actually nice for auto-x. When they did break away they did so very slowly and predictably and it was easy to recover from slides. I haven't been able to slide them in the rain on the streets. Plus they have a really high treadwear rating too so they should last a while. I'm taking mine to the track on Tuesday so I'm curious to see how they'll perform.
Oh and if you're considering the RE11A which is essentially a light track/autox tire you might as well throw the Direzza ZII, BFGoodrich Rival and Hankook RS3 in as well.
Looks like the Michelin Pilot Super Sports are the best bet for wet vs dry and overall performance. C&D blow their load over them.
Quote from: MrH on April 07, 2013, 05:17:40 PM
Looks like the Michelin Pilot Super Sports are the best bet for wet vs dry and overall performance. C&D blow their load over them.
It's also $205 per tire which is ridiculous. It depends on what you'll mostly end up using the car for. If it's a DD that you might auto-x for fun (not competitively, although you'd be pretty competitive in the wet) then you could probably get by on the DW's and save $75/tire.
True. $300 more to go with the Super Sports over the DWs. Those are cheap tires.
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These.
Quote from: MrH on April 07, 2013, 05:26:34 PM
True. $300 more to go with the Super Sports over the DWs. Those are cheap tires.
I never had good experiences with Michelins. I don't even consider them for tires anymore. Tired of burning through a set of tires in 15K miles and 20K if I take it easy (for me).
EDIT: I once made a set illegal in 12K miles.
Quote from: Raza on April 07, 2013, 08:53:16 PM
I never had good experiences with Michelins. I don't even consider them for tires anymore. Tired of burning through a set of tires in 15K miles and 20K if I take it easy (for me).
EDIT: I once made a set illegal in 12K miles.
Except these aren't your standard Michelin Primacy Flaccid Penis tires you find on a family sedan. They're excellent in wet or dry conditions and do everything well. They come close to true auto-x tires in dry conditions while far outperforming them in wet conditions and lasting a lot longer as well. People use them on all sorts of high performance cars.
Only problem is you've got to pay a ton for that kind of performance.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 07, 2013, 09:00:01 PM
Except these aren't your standard Michelin Primacy Flaccid Penis tires you find on a family sedan. They're excellent in wet or dry conditions and do everything well. They come close to true auto-x tires in dry conditions while far outperforming them in wet conditions and lasting a lot longer as well. People use them on all sorts of high performance cars.
Only problem is you've got to pay a ton for that kind of performance.
I'm just saying that I've found better price/performance compromises in Bridgestone and Continental. I wouldn't put Michelins on my Z4. I might not stick with what I have now (RE050s, I think), but I won't be going Michelin. Pay more to get less, in my experience. I've gotten better grip and better wear out of comparable Michelins across multiple sizes, price ranges, and performance classes. I don't know about this specific tire, I'm just sharing my experience with the company's products.
Quote from: Raza on April 07, 2013, 08:51:32 PM
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These.
:hesaid:
Those second wheels are hideous.
My Conti DW tires are crap... all they do is slide and squirm.
Quote from: r0tor on April 08, 2013, 05:40:59 PM
My Conti DW tires are crap... all they do is slide and squirm.
Did you give them a go in the RX-8?
I'm thinking I'm just going to bite the bullet and get the Pilot Super Sports.
Got them on right now... my experience has been...
- bridgestone RE040 had little grip, little treadlife, annoyingly loud, but responsive
- bridgestone RE050A had much more grip, same bad treadlife, quiet, and very responsive
- Continental DW are greasy, sloppy, squirmy, a little loud... dont know about treadwear yet
Are DWs winter tires?
My DWSs were great, but they were on my Jetta, so it was a huge improvement over my MXM4s and my Sumitomo Crapbuckets (I think that's the model name).
Went with the rpf1s with 245 width pilot super sports all around. For reference, Ferrari 458 Italias have 235 width super sports up front :lol:
The RPF1s are the ugly ones, right? Boo.
5 lbs lighter per wheel than stock, 2" wider and can fit these monster tires. Going to melt faces.
Quote from: MrH on April 08, 2013, 08:26:47 PM
5 lbs lighter per wheel than stock, 2" wider and can fit these monster tires. Going to melt faces.
Yes, but only of the people who see the wheels while you're standing still.
Innocent bystanders:
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Quote from: MrH on April 08, 2013, 08:23:26 PM
Went with the rpf1s with 245 width pilot super sports all around. For reference, Ferrari 458 Italias have 235 width super sports up front :lol:
Fuck yeah dude, you made the right choice. :rockon:
Too bad they're uglier than the ultraleggeras.
Quote from: hotrodalex on April 08, 2013, 09:06:45 PM
Too bad they're uglier than the ultraleggeras.
I think the RPF1's look nicer. Plus an inch wider AND lighter. It's a win-win.
Didn't spend the $100 for center caps though. Way over priced and ugly. Apparently you can make your own with hardware from home Depot. Gotta decide what to put the middle though.
Can you get a few Subie logos that are small enough to fit in the middle?
Quote from: MrH on April 08, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
Didn't spend the $100 for center caps though. Way over priced and ugly. Apparently you can make your own with hardware from home Depot. Gotta decide what to put the middle though.
wat
My Koseis came with center caps. I can't believe Enkei charges you money for center caps.
Quote from: Raza on April 07, 2013, 09:24:38 PM
I'm just saying that I've found better price/performance compromises in Bridgestone and Continental. I wouldn't put Michelins on my Z4. I might not stick with what I have now (RE050s, I think), but I won't be going Michelin. Pay more to get less, in my experience. I've gotten better grip and better wear out of comparable Michelins across multiple sizes, price ranges, and performance classes. I don't know about this specific tire, I'm just sharing my experience with the company's products.
That is the opposite of my experience with Michelin, especially the Pilot Sport Line. They are more expensive than competitors but generally worth the money in my opinion.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 08, 2013, 09:46:05 PM
wat
My Koseis came with center caps. I can't believe Enkei charges you money for center caps.
Yeah, Google search it. Most just run them without center caps. They look pretty awful.
Probably just going to make black ones with a red or pink sti logo.
Ricer.
Quote from: hotrodalex on April 08, 2013, 09:58:09 PM
Ricer.
:lol: spent extra money on better tires and got the lightest wheels... Still a ricer. Let's not forget who's putting subs and flat black on a vehicle :mask:
Quote from: MrH on April 08, 2013, 10:23:16 PM
:lol: spent extra money on better tires and got the lightest wheels... Still a ricer. Let's not forget who's putting subs and flat black on a vehicle :mask:
I was commenting on the red/pink STi logo. You ain't got no STi! :rage:
But flat black was hot rod long before it was ricer.
Please, I'm still #1 ricer on these forums. :praise:
Quote from: MrH on April 08, 2013, 08:23:26 PM
Went with the rpf1s with 245 width pilot super sports all around. For reference, Ferrari 458 Italias have 235 width super sports up front :lol:
Quote from: MrH on April 08, 2013, 08:26:47 PM
5 lbs lighter per wheel than stock, 2" wider and can fit these monster tires. Going to melt faces.
245 width is really not that wide...
Quote from: hotrodalex on April 08, 2013, 10:36:52 PM
I was commenting on the red/pink STi logo. You ain't got no STi! :rage:
But flat black was hot rod long before it was ricer.
They don't make an STI...so I'm making my own :praise: Besides, they sell STI parts like they do ///M parts. You can get an M steering wheel or shifter on a normal 3 series. They do the same thing with STI: shifter, wheel, etc for non-STI cars.
Don't worry, I don't have my heart set on it. Might just go with the Subaru blue stars instead. Wheels and tires should be here in a week.
And don't forget, "hot rod" is just hillbilly for "ricer" :evildude:
Quote from: thecarnut on April 09, 2013, 05:34:23 AM
Please, I'm still #1 ricer on these forums. :praise:
Don't worry, I don't think your title is in danger at all :lol:
Quote from: r0tor on April 09, 2013, 06:25:44 AM
245 width is really not that wide...
For a 2700 lb car it is. Should be a pretty drastic upgrade. Most tests had the BRZ pulling .90-.92 g's on the stock 205 width, crappy primacy tires. Adding 40 mm of width, at a wider stance, with much better tire.
Make your own LED center caps.
Yeah 205 to 245 is pretty drastic. Can the car fit that much extra rubber without any other modifications? Would definitely like to see a before and after pic of that (from behind the car).
Most I have ever done was go from stock 225 to a 235 on my GTI. I didn't bother getting a wider tire with my aftermarket S4 wheels, but ended up getting a different offset that pushed the wheels out to the edge a bit more. Its a very slight change but makes a surprising amount of difference in the stance IMHO.
I wouldn't doubt it if steering feel is going to suffer and wide tire syndrome is going to be a problem. That's a big jump in width.
Wide tire syndrome?
Quote from: MrH on April 09, 2013, 01:26:25 PM
Wide tire syndrome?
A lot of cars will suffer from it when they aren't designed for wide tires. The front tires will track with grooves, cracks etc. My Mustang suffered from it when I went from the stock 225 fronts and went to 255. It's not uncommon when making such a big jump in width.
Way wider tires can also speed up wear and tear on suspension components as forces are imparted differently than what the car was designed for.
Quote from: SVT666 on April 09, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
A lot of cars will suffer from it when they aren't designed for wide tires. The front tires will track with grooves, cracks etc. My Mustang suffered from it when I went from the stock 225 fronts and went to 255. It's not uncommon when making such a big jump in width.
A lot of guys are running tires this wide. No one's complained about tracking issues that I've seen. Hell, there's a guy at MidOhio running 265 width tires all around :lol:
Quote from: GoCougs on April 09, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
Way wider tires can also speed up wear and tear on suspension components as forces are imparted differently than what the car was designed for.
...that's a stretch. Wheels are still centered approximately the same place (ie the change in offset + additional width ends up equaling about the same width added to each side of the hub), so there shouldn't be a lot of weird bending moments. The whole package should be slightly lighter than stock, if weight is your concern.
I think he thinks all suspensions are designed like a tuning fork with a factor of safety of 1.
Considering OEMs run different wheels from the factory (change offset, diameter, width, tires, EVERYTHING) between model variations...I'm not too worried about it.
If I jammed 26" spinners that weighed 60 lbs a piece and stuck out 2 feet off the hub, I could see the point Cougs is making.
Quote from: MrH on April 09, 2013, 02:30:17 PM
Considering OEMs run different wheels from the factory (change offset, diameter, width, tires, EVERYTHING) between model variations...I'm not too worried about it.
If I jammed 26" spinners that weighed 60 lbs a piece and stuck out 2 feet off the hub, I could see the point Cougs is making.
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Quote from: hotrodalex on April 08, 2013, 09:06:45 PM
Too bad they're uglier than the ultraleggeras.
They're definitely not my style. The Ultraleggeras are really nice.
Quote from: SVT666 on April 09, 2013, 03:03:08 PM
They're definitely not my style. The Ultraleggeras are really nice.
Yup