As predicted, Chrysler Corporation's Dodge Division is expected to unveil its 2015-MY Challenger (along with an even hotter SRT branded model)* at roughly 7:30 p.m. EST, today, November 6, 2013. Stay tune for pics or follow the reveal LIVE online at the link, below.
There is no telling at this stage if BOTH Dodge and SRT versions of the muscle car will be introduced tonight... or merely. Nevertheless, many should be excited. Earlier today, Chrysler showcased this gorgeous 2014 Challenger... Tom
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2014-MY Dodge Challenger R/T Shaker, Above
And Yet Another MY14 Dodge Challenger...
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2014 Dodge Challenger R/T Shaker MOPAR Edition, Above & Below
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ADDITIONAL NEWS
What SEMA Surprise Debut is Dodge Hiding Under These Black Covers? [Live Stream]*
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TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 05, 2013 CATEGORIES: DODGE, DODGE CHALLENGER, MYSTERY SCOOP, SEMA SHOW
Update: Watch the reveal live from the SEMA Show in the video after the jump
We just received an intriguing email from one of Dodge's partners informing us about a "big announcement" from the brand at the SEMA Show in Las Vegas today.
Here's what Dodge says: "We'll be holding our SEMA press conference later today at 4:40 p.m. PST (7:40pm EST) and you Dodge fans will be smiling ear-to-ear and clamoring for more details when you hear what our Dodge Brand CEO, Tim Kuniskis, is going to reveal."
To help (...or complicate) things, we also have this picture of the surprise car hidden underneath some black covers at Mopar's stand.
We've heard some people say that your first guess is the most likely to be right one, so here goes: the outline of rear end reminds us of a Dodge Challenger with a big spoiler/wing attached to the boot, so we're going to go with that.
Plus, we have heard that Dodge is actively working on some updates for the Challenger, including the use of a supercharged 6.4-liter HEMI V8 called the "Hellcat" for the SRT8. Could it be this car? Well, we'll soon find out, won't we...
In the meantime, tell us what you think is lurking beneath the black wraps in the comments.
*My apologizes, as the "Live Stream" link is not transferring onto post... Will include pics upon availability
Well, I am waiting SEMA :popcorn:
SRT Hellcat Performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fhnO95drbA#ws)
707 hp, nice. I didn't expect it to top the trinity 5.8, especially after the SC LT1 came up short.
(http://i1.wp.com/www.allpar.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Hellcat-Engine-Web.jpg?zoom=2&resize=762%2C463)
I'll wait until a review to see if it can actually handle the power or if it's just a drag car.
I'm seeing another Shelby GT500 - a whole lotta motor + styling in an old chassis = not all that useful. Will have to venture on over to Chevy for useful big power ;).
Much like the GT500, I imagine the hellcat will have ZL-1s looking for their panties at the stoplights or highway rolls. Of course, this is where most of the pony cars wars are won and lost.
The SC-LT1 certainly seems disappointing in light of the hellcat, not to mention the several year old trinity 5.8.
GM wasn't trying to have the most HP with the SC-LT1.
Awesome.
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Quote from: 68_427 on July 01, 2014, 07:27:27 PM
GM wasn't trying to have the most HP with the SC-LT1.
Nope, GM already did that more than 5 years ago with the ZR1 ;). Even with "only" ~625 hp the C7 Z06 will be in another universe of performance WRT the GT500 or Hellcat and the C7 ZR1 won't even enter the discussion.
With old platforms there wasn't a whole lot to do to the Mustang and Challenger other than more power. With new/newer platforms Chevy had flexibility to make better overall performing cars - 1LE, ZL1, Z28, Z06 and ZR1.
Even if it is suboptimal in many regards, 707hp for what I presume will be a base price of between $60k - 70k is damn impressive.
I feel sorry that such an engine is paired to that car. What an overweight pig.
Quote from: Char on July 02, 2014, 01:04:03 PM
I feel sorry that such an engine is paired to that car. What an overweight pig.
You've driven one?
Are the GT-R and Veyron pigs as well?
This category of car (muscle car) was never about low weight or handling. Hell, a Honda Fit could probably destroy a '70 Hemi 'Cuda around a tight racetrack. Muscle cars are all about the cool factor. Monster engines, badass looks and general go-fuck-yourself-ness. I love that the Hellcat exists in this oppressive age, and I'd love to own one.
:thumbsup: This thing is silly awesome. We were working on it, and I was hearing reports about the power. Didn't think it was going to end up with 700+ though :mask:
Quote from: Char on July 02, 2014, 01:04:03 PM
I feel sorry that such an engine is paired to that car.
I'm sure they will put this engine into a Ram truck in the not to distant future. :lol:
They probably will. :mask:
They should take that V10 lump out of the Viper and use this engine. Never liked the sound nor throttle response of the V10.
The name is awesome too. I agree Rocky. The Viper should go big ass V8 and dump the V10. It sounds like ass and always has.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 02, 2014, 01:23:04 PM
You've driven one?
Are the GT-R and Veyron pigs as well?
This category of car (muscle car) was never about low weight or handling. Hell, a Honda Fit could probably destroy a '70 Hemi 'Cuda around a tight racetrack. Muscle cars are all about the cool factor. Monster engines, badass looks and general go-fuck-yourself-ness. I love that the Hellcat exists in this oppressive age, and I'd love to own one.
Yes, the Veyron is a heavy pig. And the Challenger and Veyron weigh hundreds of pounds more than a GT-R (which isn't a lightweight, but is solidly under 2 tons).
That said, this thing is still awesome by virtue of how outrageous it is.
I've driven a GT-R on a track and even though it does stuff it shouldn't be able to, it still feels heavy.
Looks like Hellcat gets a line lock as well.
http://bcove.me/amsi2pc6 (http://bcove.me/amsi2pc6)
:lol:
Quote from: SVT666 on July 02, 2014, 02:44:23 PM
The name is awesome too. I agree Rocky. The Viper should go big ass V8 and dump the V10. It sounds like ass and always has.
The V10 has lots of untapped potential. Gilles has said that engine could make more power than the F12s V12, but Fiat/Ferrari have said the Viper cannot eclipse the power/weight ratio of the F12.
I think there should be a V8 Viper that sits below the V10 though.
It still sounds like ass.
It's a full second faster in the quarter mile than the VIPER! :mask:
http://jalopnik.com/the-707-hp-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-is-a-10-second-1603567665 (http://jalopnik.com/the-707-hp-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-is-a-10-second-1603567665)
Quote from: Rockraven on July 11, 2014, 10:24:47 AM
It's a full second faster in the quarter mile than the VIPER! :mask:
http://jalopnik.com/the-707-hp-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-is-a-10-second-1603567665 (http://jalopnik.com/the-707-hp-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-is-a-10-second-1603567665)
With drag radials and 8spd auto. the 125/126mph trap speed isn't that impressive.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 11, 2014, 10:51:47 AM
With drag radials and 8spd auto. the 125/126mph trap speed isn't that impressive.
"Similarly, with its production tires, the Hellcat runs the quarter in 11.2 seconds at 125 mph, also certified." That's still almost a half second quicker than the ~500 lb lighter Viper. If you're not impressed, I don't know what to do for you.
If there was a really good handling package for the Challenger... It looks so cool, but doesn't back it up in the ways I care about.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 02, 2014, 01:23:04 PM
Are the GT-R and Veyron pigs as well?
Cant speak on the Veyron, but if it's like the GT-R I drove then yes its a pig too. The Veyron at least has a sporty seating position and nice interior though.
Nowadays a 1 trick pony is no good. Anyone can build a car with 1000 HP or a car that gets crazy lap times. But to build a car that's great in a wide range of categories and uses... straight line, turns, track, street... that's something to talk about. Cars like this or the Super Snake try to cash in on that old muscle car classic formula without having the context (of general automotive awfulness) that made old muscle cars "great". Today such cars are just terrible handling overpowered land barges.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 11, 2014, 01:03:18 PM
Cant speak on the Veyron, but if it's like the GT-R I drove then yes its a pig too. The Veyron at least has a sporty seating position and nice interior though.
Nowadays a 1 trick pony is no good. Anyone can build a car with 1000 HP or a car that gets crazy lap times. But to build a car that's great in a wide range of categories and uses... straight line, turns, track, street... that's something to talk about. Cars like this or the Super Snake try to cash in on that old muscle car classic formula without having the context (of general automotive awfulness) that made old muscle cars "great". Today such cars are just terrible handling overpowered land barges.
I don't buy that. Today's muscle cars are much better all-around cars than their '60s predecessors. A 2015 Challenger can perform 90% of the tasks a mainstream sedan can do, and still be 1000% cooler. The only real downside to owning one of these cars (if gas prices don't bother you) is if you live in a northern climate and don't have a garage. Additionally, the new Mustang has IRS, as does the Camaro and Challenger. They are just fine in the handling department, and the new Z28 is proving to be one of the best handling cars in the world. I love that these cars exist, and if people stop fooling themselves that only a Corvette or Cayman is an acceptable performance car, maybe they can accept and appreciate these wonderful machines.
I think the Camaro and Mustang are awesome. And yea they are all way better than their predecessors. But the Challenger is a bit of a pig. Needs to lose some weight. Notice how there is no Challenger to do battle with the likes of the ZL1 or Boss 302. There should be, but that is not doable on the LX platform.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 11, 2014, 02:32:00 PM
I think the Camaro and Mustang are awesome. And yea they are all way better than their predecessors. But the Challenger is a bit of a pig. Needs to lose some weight. Notice how there is no Challenger to do battle with the likes of the ZL1 or Boss 302. There should be, but that is not doable on the LX platform.
Nobody buys a Camaro or Mustang for track duty. Neglecting the Challenger because it's not an equal track car is silly. Yeah, it's a heavy car, but it wouldn't exist at all if they couldn't build it off the 300/Charger platform. Like I said, I'm happy it exists and I'd love to have one, moreso than either the 'Stang or Camaro. It's just sooooo firkin cool.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 11, 2014, 10:59:18 AM
"Similarly, with its production tires, the Hellcat runs the quarter in 11.2 seconds at 125 mph, also certified." That's still almost a half second quicker than the ~500 lb lighter Viper. If you're not impressed, I don't know what to do for you.
Not much under $100K will run 125 mph in the quarter mile, c6ZR1, trinity GT500 and the lighter version of the C6ZO6 need only apply.
I think the Hellcat would be a blast to drive. Not every car needs to pull 1.2 g's on a skid pad. Muscle cars are fun.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 11, 2014, 02:36:37 PM
Nobody buys a Camaro or Mustang for track duty.
Lol
(http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/01-mustang-boss-302-laguna-seca.jpg)
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/1303_2014_chevrolet_camaro_z28_first_look/44584637/2014-chevrolet-camaro-z28-front-three-quarters-2.jpg)
http://www.scca.com/clubracing/content.cfm?cid=44726 (http://www.scca.com/clubracing/content.cfm?cid=44726)
QuoteSEDAN
American SedanĀ® (AS), comprised of Chevrolet Camaros, Pontiac Firebirds and Ford Mustangs, are production-based chassis with modified suspensions and brakes. Engines are carbureted 302 and 305 CID V-8s that have been balanced and blueprinted.
Not to be a dick, but yea, plenty of people take Rustangs and Camaros to the track. Even if they don't though, my point is the Mustang and Camaro have a wider range of ability and performance than the Challenger for the same money and running costs. The Challenger is inferior, period.
The MSRP for the Hellcat is U$ 59,995.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 12, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
Lol
http://www.scca.com/clubracing/content.cfm?cid=44726 (http://www.scca.com/clubracing/content.cfm?cid=44726)
Not to be a dick, but yea, plenty of people take Rustangs and Camaros to the track. Even if they don't though, my point is the Mustang and Camaro have a wider range of ability and performance than the Challenger for the same money and running costs. The Challenger is inferior, period.
But it looks way cooler, and with this class of cars, that's pretty important to me.
Challenger is really a proper, 2-door musclecar. Camaro and Mustang are pony cars. While it sort of competes with the Camaro and Mustang, I think it ultimately attracts a different kind of buyer. Somebody who wants something a little roomier and a little more laid back while still offering up big power and cool, retro styling.
I'm all about the Challenger. It knows what it is. Big, bad ass muscle car.
The Mustang and Camaro try to be good at everything, and end up excelling at nothing. Not the fastest, definitely not the most connected, not the best handling. Give me a big, unapologetic, crazy plum hell cat instead.
Quote from: MrH on July 17, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
I'm all about the Challenger. It knows what it is. Big, bad ass muscle car.
The Mustang and Camaro try to be good at everything, and end up excelling at nothing. Not the fastest, definitely not the most connected, not the best handling. Give me a big, unapologetic, crazy plum hell cat instead.
I think you explained this perfectly for me. The Challenger is the most honest of the 3. No apologies, and none needed.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 18, 2014, 07:22:16 AM
The Challenger is the most honest worst of the 3.
+1
:nono:
Quote from: MrH on July 17, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
I'm all about the Challenger. It knows what it is. Big, bad ass muscle car.
The Mustang and Camaro try to be good at everything, and end up excelling at nothing. Not the fastest, definitely not the most connected, not the best handling. Give me a big, unapologetic, crazy plum hell cat instead.
Lol.... what are faster than the Mustang/Camaro V8s for the same money? And with the Boss 302/1LE packages they handle pretty well. Anything for the money that handles better is a lot slower, and nothing for the money is faster. So they excel at delivering on performance per dollar. Is it the most refined or tactile performance? No, but what can you expect with 400+ HP for $30K?
Challenger takes everything bad about the Mustang/Camaro and turns it up by 25-50%. Worse handling, bigger, heavier.... I'm not gonna give it a pass because it looks more badass. If FCA can get it closer to the Camaro/Mustang, both of which look to be stepping their game up big time next go round, I think they will do well. The original Challenger was not that much bigger than the Camaro/Mustang from what Ive seen.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2014, 04:10:11 AM
Lol.... what are faster than the Mustang/Camaro V8s for the same money? And with the Boss 302/1LE packages they handle pretty well. Anything for the money that handles better is a lot slower, and nothing for the money is faster. So they excel at delivering on performance per dollar. Is it the most refined or tactile performance? No, but what can you expect with 400+ HP for $30K?
Challenger takes everything bad about the Mustang/Camaro and turns it up by 25-50%. Worse handling, bigger, heavier.... I'm not gonna give it a pass because it looks more badass. If FCA can get it closer to the Camaro/Mustang, both of which look to be stepping their game up big time next go round, I think they will do well. The original Challenger was not that much bigger than the Camaro/Mustang from what Ive seen.
Sporty gets it, looking at the last lightning lap, hard to argue the performance of the two pony cars is not astounding.
But Mr. H is consistent in his taste, the car he picked in real life is a "good handling" car that is in todays terms not all that fast. Much like the hellcat is a straightline monster he picked handling over speed.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 19, 2014, 04:10:11 AM
Lol.... what are faster than the Mustang/Camaro V8s for the same money? And with the Boss 302/1LE packages they handle pretty well. Anything for the money that handles better is a lot slower, and nothing for the money is faster. So they excel at delivering on performance per dollar. Is it the most refined or tactile performance? No, but what can you expect with 400+ HP for $30K?
Challenger takes everything bad about the Mustang/Camaro and turns it up by 25-50%. Worse handling, bigger, heavier.... I'm not gonna give it a pass because it looks more badass. If FCA can get it closer to the Camaro/Mustang, both of which look to be stepping their game up big time next go round, I think they will do well. The original Challenger was not that much bigger than the Camaro/Mustang from what Ive seen.
The original Challenger was definitely more of a pony car than muscle car (where Dodge had the Charger). The new car sort of splits the difference. The styling is a throwback to the original Challenger, but the size and character are more in line with the original Charger.
While the new "Charger" is a 4 door abomination.
(Which is an awesome car, the name just doesn't fit in the historical context)
So what's wrong with the Challenger? I'm a big Mopar muscle car fan but never been much into the E-bodies ('Cuda/Barracuda, Challenger) but I do like the current Challenger.
Quote from: SVT32V on July 19, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
Sporty gets it, looking at the last lightning lap, hard to argue the performance of the two pony cars is not astounding.
But Mr. H is consistent in his taste, the car he picked in real life is a "good handling" car that is in todays terms not all that fast. Much like the hellcat is a straightline monster he picked handling over speed.
:confused:
Yeah, I like the BRZ for what it is, which is dynamically the best car you can get under $30k. If I'm going to get a muscle car, handling be damned, I want something loud and absurdly powerful.
I just view the mustang and camaro as both trying to be the best at everything, and they fall short in every category to some other vehicle at there. I appreciate the Challenger for what it is: A giant boat with cool styling and a ton of power.
Quote from: MrH on July 21, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
:confused:
Yeah, I like the BRZ for what it is, which is dynamically the best car you can get under $30k. If I'm going to get a muscle car, handling be damned, I want something loud and absurdly powerful.
I just view the mustang and camaro as both trying to be the best at everything, and they fall short in every category to some other vehicle at there. I appreciate the Challenger for what it is: A giant boat with cool styling and a ton of power.
So a car should focus on one performance category and that's it? What other car that comes close to the price tag of the Mustang and Camaro is anywhere near as good as either of them?
Quote from: SVT666 on July 21, 2014, 11:36:43 AM
So a car should focus on one performance category and that's it? What other car that comes close to the price tag of the Mustang and Camaro is anywhere near as good as either of them?
There's a car better in nearly every category, depending on what you want.
I'm not saying cars
should or should not focus on one thing. Rather, I just don't like the Mustang and Camaro for trying to be a jack of all trades, and end up being a master of none. I greatly prefer the Challenger for that reason.
Quote from: MrH on July 21, 2014, 11:40:24 AM
There's a car better in nearly every category, depending on what you want.
What are they?
The 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat might sell out just as fast as it can run the quarter mile. A new report indicates Dodge is planning to cap Hellcat sales at just 1,200 units.
Dodge hasn't officially announced sales targets for the new Challenger Hellcat, but a company insider revealed to Edmunds that the final figure will be 1,200 units. If true, the Hellcat's $60,990 MSRP would be in serious jeopardy as dealers will undoubtedly demand a premium for the limited-edition model.
For its part, Dodge says it is still determining the right mix for the Hellcat.
"We are working on allocation formulas right now and scenarios on how we will allocate it," Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis said. "I can't tell you exactly what we will do. Will we allocate based on past Challenger sales? Will we base it on Challenger V8 sales? On SRT and V8 (combined)?"
Kuniskis added: "Whatever it ends up being somewhere in that group of possibilities it will then be opened up to anybody who is a Dodge dealer."
Dodge has about 2,400 dealers in the United States.
Dodge delivered 51,500 Challengers last year, which means the Hellcat should account for between 2-3 percent of total sales.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 21, 2014, 11:57:26 AM
What are they?
If I want a car with better dynamics, a BRZ and miata are leagues ahead. A Challenger Hellcat is more powerful :huh:
Just saying they both represent some pretty serious compromises. If I'm going to buy a muscle car, I want the most "muscle car"-ish one around, which IMO is the Challenger.
Of the 3, I think I'd prefer the Challenger as well. It seems like the best heavy cruiser of the bunch and beats the other two in coolness factor.
Quote from: MrH on July 22, 2014, 07:03:39 AM
If I want a car with better dynamics, a BRZ and miata are leagues ahead. A Challenger Hellcat is more powerful :huh:
Lmao, what Hellcat can you buy for BRZ money? And since when is the Challenger a pure, no-compromise car? Basically what you're saying is, you either want a car that's only good at one thing, or bad at everything... no in between :wtf:
Quote from: MrH on July 22, 2014, 07:03:39 AM
If I want a car with better dynamics, a BRZ and miata are leagues ahead. A Challenger Hellcat is more powerful :huh:
Just saying they both represent some pretty serious compromises. If I'm going to buy a muscle car, I want the most "muscle car"-ish one around, which IMO is the Challenger.
Hellcat is not Mustang money. For the money, there is no car that is faster, handles better, and looks better than either the Camaro or Mustang...period.
If you aren't first, you're last. Mustang and Camaro are last in the muscle car category :lol:
They're both faster in a straight line than the Challenger too.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 22, 2014, 10:47:05 AM
They're both faster in a straight line than the Challenger too.
Challenger has a higher "badass" factor (whatever the fuck that means).
Quote from: SVT666 on July 22, 2014, 10:47:05 AM
They're both faster in a straight line than the Challenger too.
Probably not the Hellcat. The Camaro Z28 will spank it (and almost every other car on the planet) on a racetrack. The new Track-Pack Mustang probably will too. Hellcat will own both on the dragstrip. In any case, $60,000 for 707hp and a classic muscle car design that's reliable with full warranty is a wonderful thing to have available in this day and age.
Why Mr H is comparing the Miata/BRZ/30K Mustang/Camaro to the Hellcat is the real question.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2014, 11:47:04 AM
Why Mr H is comparing the Miata/BRZ/30K Mustang/Camaro to the Hellcat is the real question.
Beats me. I know he likes it, but other than the Mustang and Camaro, it's in a different league.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 22, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
Probably not the Hellcat. The Camaro Z28 will spank it (and almost every other car on the planet) on a racetrack. The new Track-Pack Mustang probably will too. Hellcat will own both on the dragstrip. In any case, $60,000 for 707hp and a classic muscle car design that's reliable with full warranty is a wonderful thing to have available in this day and age.
GT500 is likely still faster than the Hellcat.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 22, 2014, 11:49:07 AM
GT500 is likely still faster than the Hellcat.
We'll have to see, but my $$$ is on the Hellcat. They are roughly the same MSRP, no?
Quote from: Rockraven on July 22, 2014, 11:50:58 AM
We'll have to see, but my $$$ is on the Hellcat. They are roughly the same MSRP, no?
Yes. The GT500 weighs significantly less. At least 300 lbs.
I do like this Challenger.
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x253/calfan5/challenger1_zps8f034a89.png)
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x253/calfan5/challenger2_zpseba73fa3.png)
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x253/calfan5/challenger3_zpsef2a9106.png)
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x253/calfan5/challenger4_zpsa536e915.png)
But overall I'll take a Z28 or comparable Mustang over a Hellcat. Still tons of HP and a chassis to handle it.
I think I would take a base Cayman over any variation of a pony car. Z28, Hellcow, Boss 302, whatever. Of the pony cars my pick would def be this GT350 though.
When will the automotive world finally realize that lowing a car ruins it, looks and otherwise???
False.
Quote from: GoCougs on July 22, 2014, 01:02:11 PM
When will the automotive world finally realize that lowing a car ruins it, looks and otherwise???
I think they may have overdone it on this case, but there are lots of cars that look nicer once they have been lowered.
Lol. Some cars are lowered at the factory. Dont use one extreme example to damn the whole lot Cougs. Or at least reserve that for political threads.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2014, 11:26:49 AM
Challenger has a higher "badass" factor (whatever the fuck that means).
I don't think so. The Camaro's mailslot windows make it harder for the cops to see who's driving and easier to hide drugs and weapons.
Although, the Challenger name was never soiled by malaise era cars as the Mustang and Camaro were.
{cough}
(http://paintref.com/mopar/brochure/1978challenger_01.jpg)
Quote from: Rockraven on July 22, 2014, 02:09:20 PM
{cough}
(http://paintref.com/mopar/brochure/1978challenger_01.jpg)
Oh Jesus, I didn't even know about that thing. I thought it died in 1974.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 23, 2014, 02:48:49 PM
Oh Jesus, I didn't even know about that thing. I thought it died in 1974.
To be fair, I think it was a rebadged Mitsubishi something or other. At least the Mustang and Camaro/Firebirds were their own cars.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7012415-Hellcat-Charger-Confirmed-by-Internal-SAE-Document (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7012415-Hellcat-Charger-Confirmed-by-Internal-SAE-Document)
Quote from: 68_427 on July 25, 2014, 10:50:13 AM
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7012415-Hellcat-Charger-Confirmed-by-Internal-SAE-Document (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7012415-Hellcat-Charger-Confirmed-by-Internal-SAE-Document)
I'll take that version please!
Car and Driver tested the Challenger Hellcat.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-test-review (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-test-review)
Suddenly, it's the moment in a superhero movie when the villain has finally done something so wicked that the world realizes he is pure evil, and as people scream and the rain pours down and thunder crashes, he spreads his arms and screams, "I am Hellcat!"...................So it's not a one-trick 'cat. But it's so good at its best trick that it's easy to overlook the others. It's easy and fun. Really fun.