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Title: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Atomic on March 11, 2014, 11:20:35 AM
Not Just About Honda Type-R
What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Reside?

HONDA CIVIC TYPE-R: A CAR LONG AWAITED BY HONDA-ACURA ENTHUSIASTS
TO BE SOLD WORLDWIDE, INCLUDING HERE IN NORTH AMERICA

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r226/AtomicXC60/image_zps42be15ac.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/AtomicXC60/media/image_zps42be15ac.jpg.html)

Honda Civic Type-R in Concept Form, Above


The Type-R gets Honda's new 2.0-liter VTEC turbo engine making about 275 hp. It's a car long coveted from American shores. Currently, the petition has 6,447 signatures and a 7,500 goal. Here is the text:

Honda enthusiasts demand that the discrimination against our market stops right here. There is no excuse anymore. If other countries can enjoy the best Honda has to offer, we should be able to enjoy the same rights.

Bring the type R to America once again!

"Without racing there is no Honda" -- Soichiro Honda

When Honda founder said that, he meant it. Do not once again do what's right for Acura brand, do what's right for the people that believe in the foundation Honda was built upon.

The power of dreams.

Nikos Stoufis

Chris Martin of Honda was sent the petition when it hit about 4,000 names, and told fans that it's great to see so much enthusiasm. He also said that he can't promise anything, but that Honda will take the support into account.


Source: AutoWeek, 03/11/2014
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Payman on March 12, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
I want an AWD VW Scirocco GTi, with a manual tranny.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: CALL_911 on March 12, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
And like two of the names on that petition would put their money where their mouth is. I'd love for this far to come to the US, but I can't really blame Honda.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: 2o6 on March 12, 2014, 07:20:01 PM
Wasn't the last type R not as good as the SI Mugen that we got here?
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: MrH on March 12, 2014, 08:18:11 PM
7,000 nameless people signing a petition isn't going to make any auto manufacturer do something.  Honda mostly makes their US lineup in the US.  That vehicle shown isn't tooled up to be made here.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: 2o6 on March 12, 2014, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: MrH on March 12, 2014, 08:18:11 PM
7,000 nameless people signing a petition isn't going to make any auto manufacturer do something.  Honda mostly makes their US lineup in the US.  That vehicle shown isn't tooled up to be made here.

And even if it was, no one would buy it.


Even if the 7K on the petition bought it, still not enough
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Payman on March 12, 2014, 08:37:53 PM
How fucking hard is it to put that engine in the CRZ?
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: 2o6 on March 12, 2014, 08:42:45 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 12, 2014, 08:37:53 PM
How fucking hard is it to put that engine in the CRZ?


I don't know if it'd fit (pun intended). The CRZ is Fit based. We could probably put it in the Civic Sedan/Coupe with no issue, though.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Payman on March 12, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
What's in the Fit... a 1.6? Turbo that to 200 hp, drop it in the CRZ. There's enough people that wants Honda to do this, yet they keep their best looking car saddled with a hybrid power train that enthusiasts don't want.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on March 12, 2014, 09:29:21 PM
GT-R
3/5 series touring
Alfa 4C
BRZ
Megane R26R

Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: cawimmer430 on March 13, 2014, 06:47:38 AM
'12 Ford Crown Victoria.  :praise:

(http://www.drivearabia.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/2011-Ford-Crown-Victoria-7.jpg)
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: MX793 on March 13, 2014, 07:12:10 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on March 12, 2014, 07:20:01 PM
Wasn't the last type R not as good as the SI Mugen that we got here?

I'd argue that the last type R wasn't any better than our regular Si.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: cawimmer430 on March 13, 2014, 07:14:38 AM
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 12, 2014, 09:29:21 PM
GT-R
3/5 series touring
Alfa 4C
BRZ
Megane R26R



No Renault Megane RS265 Trophy?

(http://db2.stb.s-msn.com/i/27/728C74C3F220986ED656A9F067063.jpg)
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: AltinD on March 13, 2014, 09:35:54 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 12, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
I want an AWD VW Scirocco GTi, with a manual tranny.

For some reasons, the Scirocco is not offered with 4Motion AWD, not even the R model  :nutty:
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: veeman on March 13, 2014, 09:48:07 AM
some of the alpha romeos look tasty.  the giulietta.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Raza on March 13, 2014, 09:50:56 AM
Quote from: MX793 on March 13, 2014, 07:12:10 AM
I'd argue that the last type R wasn't any better than our regular Si.

The European Type-R, right?  The JDM one lapped some track faster than an NSX.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Xer0 on March 13, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: Raza  on March 13, 2014, 09:50:56 AM
The European Type-R, right?  The JDM one lapped some track faster than an NSX.

Yeah, our SI was better then the Euro type R.  The JDM Type R was pretty much our Si turned up to 11.

Is the new Euro Type R the old Type R with a turbo motor? 
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: MX793 on March 13, 2014, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: Raza  on March 13, 2014, 09:50:56 AM
The European Type-R, right?  The JDM one lapped some track faster than an NSX.

Yes, the Euro model.  Although the Japanese market version wasn't that much better than ours.  Same platform, they got about 20 extra HP.  Definitely wasn't an NSX killer.  It out lapped the DC5 Integra Type R (type r version of the RSX) by a couple of seconds at Suzuka.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Xer0 on March 13, 2014, 11:13:45 AM
Quote from: MX793 on March 13, 2014, 10:39:42 AM
Yes, the Euro model.  Although the Japanese market version wasn't that much better than ours.  Same platform, they got about 20 extra HP.  Definitely wasn't an NSX killer.  It out lapped the DC5 Integra Type R (type r version of the RSX) by a couple of seconds at Suzuka.

I think the Mugen RR was faster then the NSX around Suzuka.  But that was very limited run tuner special.  Now sure how livable it was.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Honda_Civic_MugenRR.jpg)

Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Raza on March 13, 2014, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: MX793 on March 13, 2014, 10:39:42 AM
Yes, the Euro model.  Although the Japanese market version wasn't that much better than ours.  Same platform, they got about 20 extra HP.  Definitely wasn't an NSX killer.  It out lapped the DC5 Integra Type R (type r version of the RSX) by a couple of seconds at Suzuka.

I also recall it beating out the NSX Type S at Suzuka. 

I think this is the video:

http://www.streetfire.net/video/018-best-motoring-civic_734940.htm (http://www.streetfire.net/video/018-best-motoring-civic_734940.htm)

Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: MX793 on March 13, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: Raza  on March 13, 2014, 11:31:04 AM
I also recall it beating out the NSX Type S at Suzuka. 

I think this is the video:

http://www.streetfire.net/video/018-best-motoring-civic_734940.htm (http://www.streetfire.net/video/018-best-motoring-civic_734940.htm)



It beat it by 2/10ths. 

That wasn't a head-to-head.  They compared a time from the NSX recorded more than a decade earlier to the time set by the Civic that day.  They swapped the tires on the Civic before the run, and there's no telling if the NSX was on comparable tires (probably not, tires have advanced since the 90s).  The track has likely been repaved since the NSX ran, potentially with a grippier surface.  Weather conditions were also likely not the same.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Raza on March 14, 2014, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: MX793 on March 13, 2014, 03:28:20 PM
It beat it by 2/10ths. 

That wasn't a head-to-head.  They compared a time from the NSX recorded more than a decade earlier to the time set by the Civic that day.  They swapped the tires on the Civic before the run, and there's no telling if the NSX was on comparable tires (probably not, tires have advanced since the 90s).  The track has likely been repaved since the NSX ran, potentially with a grippier surface.  Weather conditions were also likely not the same.

Fair enough.  I was under the impression that they ran them together. 
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: 68_427 on March 14, 2014, 04:38:12 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 12, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
What's in the Fit... a 1.6? Turbo that to 200 hp, drop it in the CRZ. There's enough people that wants Honda to do this, yet they keep their best looking car saddled with a hybrid power train that enthusiasts don't want.

Doesn't Honda have a supercharged CR-Z?
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Madman on March 14, 2014, 09:16:54 PM
Here's an article on some very tasty cars which are now legal to import into the USA.

Plus a few more that soon will be......

http://www.details.com/style-advice/tech-and-design/201403/imported-classic-foreign-cars (http://www.details.com/style-advice/tech-and-design/201403/imported-classic-foreign-cars)


I'd LOVE an E34 M5 Wagon!!!!  :wub:
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Raza on March 15, 2014, 03:22:20 AM
Quote from: Madman on March 14, 2014, 09:16:54 PM
Here's an article on some very tasty cars which are now legal to import into the USA.

Plus a few more that soon will be......

http://www.details.com/style-advice/tech-and-design/201403/imported-classic-foreign-cars (http://www.details.com/style-advice/tech-and-design/201403/imported-classic-foreign-cars)


I'd LOVE an E34 M5 Wagon!!!!  :wub:

I actually saw what claimed to be--and looked like--an E34 M5 wagon for sale on Autotrader when I was searching for a car about 18 months ago.  I was very tempted.  Went a different route, obviously. 
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: 2o6 on March 15, 2014, 06:24:51 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on March 12, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
What's in the Fit... a 1.6? Turbo that to 200 hp, drop it in the CRZ. There's enough people that wants Honda to do this, yet they keep their best looking car saddled with a hybrid power train that enthusiasts don't want.

I feel like Forced-Induction isn't Honda's style....


I could get behind a Fit Si with a strung-out, high-revving 1.6L making like 160-180HP....
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: SVT32V on March 15, 2014, 02:33:37 PM
Although not really a fast laner, and I am not sure any new hondas qualify either, you did ask what you would like to be sold here.

A diesel Wrangler would be a nice addition, 300 ft-lbs torque and 29 mpg with 6-spd stick
(http://static1.prod.justauto.com.au/just_images/723aa4ce-2ac5-4e4d-a94e-cc77e805c4ad/723aa4ce-2ac5-4e4d-a94e-cc77e805c4ad-atlg.jpg)
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Madman on March 15, 2014, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: Raza  on March 15, 2014, 03:22:20 AM
I actually saw what claimed to be--and looked like--an E34 M5 wagon for sale on Autotrader when I was searching for a car about 18 months ago.  I was very tempted.  Went a different route, obviously. 


Back in the '90s, European Car Magazine did a build project where they made an E34 M5 wagon.  They took the engine and all the M bits from a totaled M5 sedan and transferred them into a clean wagon shell.  With the exception of not having a genuine M-Technik VIN number, it was identical to a Euro-spec M5 wagon in every way.  Only 891 genuine E34 M5 wagons were built from 1992 to 1995.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: 68_427 on March 16, 2014, 10:32:59 AM
E34 M5 wagon in Americaaaa

http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?id=190&form_display=51#.UyXSIPldXeI (http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?id=190&form_display=51#.UyXSIPldXeI)
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: MrH on March 18, 2014, 07:02:06 AM
Quote from: 68_427 on March 16, 2014, 10:32:59 AM
E34 M5 wagon in Americaaaa

http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?id=190&form_display=51#.UyXSIPldXeI (http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?id=190&form_display=51#.UyXSIPldXeI)

Another bad ass car from the same dealership :rockon:
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Raza on March 18, 2014, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: MrH on March 18, 2014, 07:02:06 AM
Another bad ass car from the same dealership :rockon:

Some of the prices on there are ridiculous.  1990 325is for 24 grand?  Seriously?  It's low miles for its age, but go fuck yourself with that price.

http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?id=4799&form_display=51 (http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?id=4799&form_display=51)

Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on March 18, 2014, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 13, 2014, 07:14:38 AM
No Renault Megane RS265 Trophy?

We don't get ANY current Megane, let alone the RS265.
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: cawimmer430 on March 18, 2014, 11:17:32 AM
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 18, 2014, 10:29:21 AM
We don't get ANY current Megane, let alone the RS265.

That's pretty depressing.  :(
Title: Re: Not Just About Honda Type-R. What Cars Would YOU Like to be Sold Where YOU Live?
Post by: Northlands on March 21, 2014, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: veeman on March 13, 2014, 09:48:07 AM
some of the alpha romeos look tasty.  the giulietta.

Yup. Throw me in that category too.