For the time being it has between 125 and 280hp. It can also be had as a plug in hybrid with a total system-hp of 214, and an electric range of 50km. It is slightly shorter then the current one, but has 8cm more wheelbase, less overhang, 1.2cm more width, and 1.4cm less height. It gets all of the latest gizmos like an autopilot that can drive the car autonomously up to 60kmh in a traffic jam. The auto brake function can now detect pedestrians.
(http://img4.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-Passat-fotoshowImage-7989d525-790987.jpg)
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(http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-Passat-fotoshowImage-ecee3f7f-790989.jpg)
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(http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-Passat-fotoshowImage-921e1df4-790997.jpg)
(http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-Passat-fotoshowImage-9a843a4d-790998.jpg)
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(http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-Passat-fotoshowImage-8d246e24-791003.jpg)
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Love the new proportions, however imo some of the details look odd.
I like it.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 03, 2014, 06:54:22 PM
I like it.
Not for the US or Mexico AFAIK. This is Euro-only.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on July 03, 2014, 06:56:50 PM
Not for the US or Mexico AFAIK. This is Euro-only.
I was going to say that it seemed quick for a new model. It looks good though. Much sharper than the pillow-soft looking model we have in the US.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on July 03, 2014, 06:56:50 PM
Not for the US or Mexico AFAIK. This is Euro-only.
Too bad. Not too fond of Toyowagen they sell here
(http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-Passat-fotoshowImage-ab1a5888-791006.jpg)
I would love to one day replace my B5.5 wagon with this. Unfortunately, unless I emigrate, I will never be able to do so.
DAMN YOU, VOLKSWAGEN!!!!!! :shakesfist:
Oh, and meanwhile, sales of the dumbed-down Toyota Avalon clone masquerading as the Passat in America are down a whopping 33.6% in June compared to last year. This, despite the American car market as a whole being up by 1.2% during the same period.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/jul/02/vw-posts-lower-us-sales-amid-rising-overall-market/ (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/jul/02/vw-posts-lower-us-sales-amid-rising-overall-market/)
It's clear to everyone (well, everyone except Volkswagen executives) that VW's strategy of foisting second-rate dreck onto their American customers isn't working. Maybe its time VW scrap the underwhelming NMS and give us the real thing? They certainly couldn't do any worse than what they're doing now.
Ford is currently enjoying great success selling the same cars all over the world. If they can do it, so can Volkswagen.
Oh look, its a Volkswagen. It looks like every other Volkswagen :zzz:
I'm sure it'll be a good car, but eh.
I like it, too!
Looks too much like the American POS
I would rock with the wagon though
I would rock with any mainstream midsize wagon at this point for wifey's car. Even a Camry Hybrid
Quote from: Madman on July 03, 2014, 10:08:22 PM
Oh, and meanwhile, sales of the dumbed-down Toyota Avalon clone masquerading as the Passat in America are down a whopping 33.6% in June compared to last year. This, despite the American car market as a whole being up by 1.2% during the same period.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/jul/02/vw-posts-lower-us-sales-amid-rising-overall-market/ (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/jul/02/vw-posts-lower-us-sales-amid-rising-overall-market/)
It's clear to everyone (well, everyone except Volkswagen executives) that VW's strategy of foisting second-rate dreck onto their American customers isn't working. Maybe its time VW scrap the underwhelming NMS and give us the real thing? They certainly couldn't do any worse than what they're doing now.
Ford is currently enjoying great success selling the same cars all over the world. If they can do it, so can Volkswagen.
Sales are down on an aging model whose sales soared to reach that peak. Not too surprising. A costlier premium car wouldn't be selling nearly as well, as Volkswagen has learned quite clearly.
Volkswagen has toyed with the idea in the past of giving us the U.S.-focused sedan along with the European wagon, which would seem like the best of both worlds.
Quote from: Madman on July 03, 2014, 09:44:25 PM
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I would love to one day replace my B5.5 wagon with this. Unfortunately, unless I emigrate, I will never be able to do so.
DAMN YOU, VOLKSWAGEN!!!!!! :shakesfist:
1974 Dodge Monaco Wagon :devil:
(http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B25086.jpg)
Stunning design. I like it. :mrcool:
The wagon version looks very nice and will no doubt be the top-seller in Europe. It's almost rare that you see a Passat sedan here - everyone goes for the wagon.
Quote from: ifcar on July 04, 2014, 06:14:02 AM
Sales are down on an aging model whose sales soared to reach that peak. Not too surprising. A costlier premium car wouldn't be selling nearly as well, as Volkswagen has learned quite clearly.
Volkswagen has toyed with the idea in the past of giving us the U.S.-focused sedan along with the European wagon, which would seem like the best of both worlds.
Or they could just build the real Passat in North America where it is less costly and also avoid fluctuating exchange rates and importation costs. Just like Ford does with the Fiesta, Focus. Fusion/Mondeo and Escape/Kuga. As the "One Ford" strategy has already proven, the key to success is to "Design Global, Produce Local".
It looks like fucking fwd Hyundai Genesis. Horrible
I think it looks fucking gorgeous.
And given the fact everything is moving to MQB architecture, I wouldn't be surprised if the next US Passat gets aligned with this model. By the time this goes on sale, the NMS Passat will be looking to be replaced not too far after that. I give it about 2 years or so then it'll see our shores.
Besides, Europe by in large ignores this segment anyways. This car needs to be in other markets as well in order to make money.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 04, 2014, 02:27:50 PM
I think it looks fucking gorgeous.
And given the fact everything is moving to MQB architecture, I wouldn't be surprised if the next US Passat gets aligned with this model. By the time this goes on sale, the NMS Passat will be looking to be replaced not too far after that. I give it about 2 years or so then it'll see our shores.
Besides, Europe by in large ignores this segment anyways. This car needs to be in other markets as well in order to make money.
1. The horizontal grille and the thick bumper are horrible. De Silva's time as chief designer should be up. Bring back Gunak.
2. I think the plan is for the US Passat to move to MQB in a few years as well
3. Huh? No, the Passat is absolutely not ignored in Europe, or the segment. Actually it has been on Top 5 in Germany for like forever.
It's ignored compared to smaller segments.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 04, 2014, 02:27:50 PM
I think it looks fucking gorgeous.
And given the fact everything is moving to MQB architecture, I wouldn't be surprised if the next US Passat gets aligned with this model. By the time this goes on sale, the NMS Passat will be looking to be replaced not too far after that. I give it about 2 years or so then it'll see our shores.
Besides, Europe by in large ignores this segment anyways. This car needs to be in other markets as well in order to make money.
Sharp analysis dude. The more I read it the more I agree. Splitting the Passat was pretty stupid, though the Volkswagen Impala seems to be selling like gangbusters. Makes me sick, personally.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 04, 2014, 06:39:37 PM
Sharp analysis dude. The more I read it the more I agree. Splitting the Passat was pretty stupid, though the Volkswagen Impala seems to be selling like gangbusters. Makes me sick, personally.
The old Passat was unfit for the USA, and was an old design. The model Europe got was a facelift version of the old one, and it wouldn't be adequate for the USA. MQB wasn't ready, and VW was missing out on a large segment of the market.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 04, 2014, 06:35:30 PM
It's ignored compared to smaller segments.
So, people who shop in the smaller segments, for smaller cars, ignore larger cars in the larger segments?
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Quote from: Rockraven on July 04, 2014, 06:43:23 PM
So, people who shop in the smaller segments, for smaller cars, ignore larger cars in the larger segments?
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120904042620/uncyclopedia/images/archive/b/b5/20120914120348!Exploding-head.gif)
No, the market for a car of this size is smaller than the market for the cars of classes below it.
I mean, Renault doesn't sell their midsized lineup in some countries of Europe, and IIRC, the Fusion/Mondeo almost didn't happen.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 04, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
No, the market for a car of this size is smaller than the market for the cars of classes below it.
I mean, Renault doesn't sell their midsized lineup in some countries of Europe, and IIRC, the Fusion/Mondeo almost didn't happen.
I know, just bustin yer balls. Like AltinD said though, the Passat is very popular in the larger segment in Europe.
The Passat sells at roughly twice the rate of all its rivals - Mondeo, Insignia, 508, Avensis etc. To say that it does not sell well is as ill-informed as some of the other comments in this thread.
Quote from: Colin on July 05, 2014, 06:09:03 AM
The Passat sells at roughly twice the rate of all its rivals - Mondeo, Insignia, 508, Avensis etc. To say that it does not sell well is as ill-informed as some of the other comments in this thread.
But that entire segment doesn't sell in nearly the same volume, in Europe, as smaller-sized vehicle segments like the C and B segments. Being the most popular vehicle in an unpopular, or low volume, segment doesn't make a vehicle a great seller, in an absolute sense. It's still unpopular, it's just less unpopular than the other vehicles in its unpopular segment.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 04, 2014, 06:43:08 PM
The old Passat was unfit for the USA, and was an old design. The model Europe got was a facelift version of the old one, and it wouldn't be adequate for the USA. MQB wasn't ready, and VW was missing out on a large segment of the market.
The B6 Passat was a great car. An MKV Golf with the size and engines necessary for Americans. What killed it was
- the recession- it came out like a year before the recession set in
- the B5 Passat's well deserved terrible reputation.
- the MKV Jetta and Rabbit offering 87% of the Passat's content and performance at like 60% of the price
There was just a little too much overlap and too much of a price hike for the Passat. And all VWs were not positioned well price wise compared to the competition.
What I don't understand is why they couldn't Americanize the cars without making them so damn ugly. Decontent the shit but keep them looking good.
Quote from: MX793 on July 05, 2014, 06:19:58 AM
But that entire segment doesn't sell in nearly the same volume, in Europe, as smaller-sized vehicle segments like the C and B segments. Being the most popular vehicle in an unpopular, or low volume, segment doesn't make a vehicle a great seller, in an absolute sense. It's still unpopular, it's just less unpopular than the other vehicles in its unpopular segment.
It was the 10th biggest selling car in Europe in 2013, with over 200,000 cars sold ............ Clearly that means it is unpopular as a massive 9 other cars outsold it.
Quote from: Colin on July 05, 2014, 09:11:06 AM
It was the 10th biggest selling car in Europe in 2013, with over 200,000 cars sold ............ Clearly that means it is unpopular as a massive 9 other cars outsold it.
I can't help but roll my eyes a little when some of the posters here talk with great authority on matters in which their actual knowledge is rather limited.
I think you guys misinterpreted my post entirely....
I merely said the D segment is smaller than the B and C segments. You guys have even confirmed this SEVERAL times on this very forum.
Quote from: Colin on July 05, 2014, 09:11:06 AM
It was the 10th biggest selling car in Europe in 2013, with over 200,000 cars sold ............ Clearly that means it is unpopular as a massive 9 other cars outsold it.
Such as?
Quote from: 2o6 on July 05, 2014, 10:37:27 AM
I think you guys misinterpreted my post entirely....
I merely said the D segment is smaller than the B and C segments. You guys have even confirmed this SEVERAL times on this very forum.
No, you said:
Quote from: 2o6 on July 04, 2014, 02:27:50 PM
Besides, Europe by in large ignores this segment anyways. This car needs to be in other markets as well in order to make money.
Which is like saying that America by in large ignores cars like the Fusion, and the Corolla just because the pickup trucks and SUVs are at the top.
Quote from: Colin on July 05, 2014, 09:11:06 AM
It was the 10th biggest selling car in Europe in 2013, with over 200,000 cars sold ............ Clearly that means it is unpopular as a massive 9 other cars outsold it.
This list would beg to differ:
http://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2013-full-year-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-brands/ (http://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2013-full-year-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-brands/)
Quote from: MX793 on July 05, 2014, 02:47:51 PM
This list would beg to differ:
http://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2013-full-year-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-brands/ (http://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2013-full-year-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-brands/)
Passat dropped out of the list of best selling cars because it is ancient. That is the reason they are replacing it.
For the German market in 2001 VW sold 139,203. In 2013 they were down to 61,088
http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/1/7/7/8/0/8/Verkaufszahlen-VW-Passat-2001-bis-2013-729x486-e406ed11e236b9a1.jpg (http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/1/7/7/8/0/8/Verkaufszahlen-VW-Passat-2001-bis-2013-729x486-e406ed11e236b9a1.jpg)
Point being it's not top 10. Im not sure what expertise is required. The info just requires a Google search.
http://left-lane.com/european-car-sales-data/volkswagen/volkswagen-passat/ (http://left-lane.com/european-car-sales-data/volkswagen/volkswagen-passat/)
http://left-lane.com/european-car-sales-data/volkswagen/volkswagen-golf/ (http://left-lane.com/european-car-sales-data/volkswagen/volkswagen-golf/)
Europe is down a lot since its peak, but the Golf went from outselling the Passat 2:1 to 3:1. It's worse at Ford... Focus went from outselling the Mondeo 2:1 to 5:1, while the Focus itself is below half its peak whereas the Golf is still at about 60% (since '97). In a year where Europe's car sales were down 1.8% midsize sales were down ~22%. No matter what data you look at, if you look at the data there's nothing that doesn't coincide with 2o6's assessment.
Whatever, I'm just going to be watching exploding head guy for the rest of the day anyways.
Quote from: MX793 on July 05, 2014, 02:47:51 PM
This list would beg to differ:
http://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2013-full-year-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-brands/ (http://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2013-full-year-europe-best-selling-car-manufacturers-brands/)
From the link:
QuoteThe Renault Megane – new model launched in 2013 – and the Volkswagen Passat – new model due in 2014 – were the two cars to have dropped out of the top ten in 2014.
Quote from: AltinD on July 06, 2014, 08:44:04 AM
From the link:
The list was for 2013 sales. The Passat was not in the top 10 for 2013. It was in the top 10 for 2012.
Quote from: Galaxy on July 05, 2014, 03:10:59 PM
Passat dropped out of the list of best selling cars because it is ancient. That is the reason they are replacing it.
Though, even the European B7 wasn't much of improvement over the B6, actually design-wise AND content-wise it was a downgrade. The B6 had STANDARD LED taillights and projector headlights, the B7 had bulb taillights and reflector headlights (WTF, even the B5 had standard projector HL) as standard.
And De Silva should go. His clean simple lines design philosophy is damaging the brand and turning it into a snore fest. Let him continue apply that where it belongs, to Skoda. The thick front bumper is horrible, the entire front fascia is.
Wagon looks really nice
Quote from: AltinD on July 06, 2014, 08:54:53 AM
Though, even the European B7 wasn't much of improvement over the B6, actually design-wise AND content-wise it was a downgrade. The B6 had STANDARD LED taillights and projector headlights, the B7 had bulb taillights and reflector headlights (WTF, even the B5 had standard projector HL) as standard.
And De Silva should go. His clean simple lines design philosophy is damaging the brand and turning it into a snore fest. Let him continue apply that where it belongs, to Skoda. The thick front bumper is horrible, the entire front fascia is.
Yea Im not feeling VW's current design language at all. Too blocky/straight edged; looks cheap and dated. Thankfully the Golf came out unscathed but its a shame the Passat had to be a casualty. It was a damn sexy car for damn near 15 yrs
You guys are crazy. It's a gorgeous car.
I agree, it is quite the looker
2015 VW Passat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OADt0rBmDjo#ws)
Reminds me of the Accords retarded German brother.
Go drive you POS minivan
Quote from: AltinD on July 11, 2014, 05:19:50 AM
Go drive you POS minivan
VW is a German Yugo. Get over it.
Quote from: Char on July 11, 2014, 10:05:06 AM
VW is a German Yugo. Get over it.
Yeah, this is getting old.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 11, 2014, 12:13:10 PM
Yeah, this is getting old.
The VW fawning was old YEARS ago, and it's down right annoying.
You're annoying as shit with this sthick
Quote from: 2o6 on July 12, 2014, 10:31:17 AM
You're annoying as shit with this sthick
Cry about it some more.
Are these Europe specific? Like the wagon a lot.
Quote from: Catman on July 13, 2014, 09:50:32 AM
Are these Europe specific? Like the wagon a lot.
Yes, this is the European model, NOT the North American (also Korean and Middle Eastern) one
Quote from: Char on July 12, 2014, 10:38:12 AM
Cry about it some more.
No matter how much he tries, he can't match the tears you shed over the POS you are condemned to drive everyday .... actually, even all of us others combined can't
Quote from: AltinD on July 13, 2014, 03:25:22 PM
Yes, this is the European model, NOT the North American (also Korean and Middle Eastern) one
As far as I know it is not yet clear if America will get this or not. MAybe delayed a few years.
Quote from: AltinD on July 13, 2014, 03:25:22 PM
Yes, this is the European model, NOT the North American (also Korean and Middle Eastern) one
Sucks
Quote from: Char on July 12, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
The VW fawning was old YEARS ago, and it's down right annoying.
Ah the follies of youth
Lol @ the idea that anyone who doesn't share your opinions is wrong.
Quote from: AltinD on July 13, 2014, 03:27:11 PM
No matter how much he tries, he can't match the tears you shed over the POS you are condemned to drive everyday .... actually, even all of us others combined can't
I'm not driving a VW, I think I'll be ok.
Quote from: Char on July 14, 2014, 08:42:34 AM
I'm not driving a VW, I think I'll be ok.
But you drive a POS van, how much worse can it get?
Quote from: Catman on July 13, 2014, 04:49:03 PM
Sucks
Well, you aren't willing to pay for a superior product, so why should i feel bad for ya? :lol:
PS: Here in Dubai (and the entire Middle East) we also get the US made Passat, which is a total BS cause it sells for the same price as the old B6 but with less equipment. I like the Passat, but i don't really like the CC, and I definitely wouldn't want the Chattanooga made barge.
Quote from: AltinD on July 18, 2014, 04:56:42 AM
Well, you aren't willing to pay for a superior product, so why should i feel bad for ya? :lol:
PS: Here in Dubai (and the entire Middle East) we also get the US made Passat, which is a total BS cause it sells for the same price as the old B6 but with less equipment. I like the Passat, but i don't really like the CC, and I definitely wouldn't want the Chattanooga made barge.
But..but...VW!
Quote from: AltinD on July 20, 2014, 04:43:32 AM
Still better than the Camcord
Whatever helps you sleep at night. I'
Lol. Char... whes the last time you got laid. What are you so angry about