Looking forward to seeing this. To be revealed on July 27th.
http://www.polaris.com/en-ca/slingshot (http://www.polaris.com/en-ca/slingshot)
Needs 4 wheels. This US motorcycle law is ridiculous.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2014, 12:53:01 PM
Needs 4 wheels. This US motorcycle law is ridiculous.
It bypasses prohibitive crash regulations and enormous expense if it's classified as a motorcycle. To me, wearing a helmet in such a vehicle is not a big deal, since the benefits (cost, weight, performance) promise to be awesome.
They should enable motorcycles to have 4 wheels, is what I'm saying. An Ariel Atom is a motorcycle IMO.
Looks like what I have been wanting for years... Except missing a wheel
Some more info here:
http://www.slingshotforums.com (http://www.slingshotforums.com)
Apparently it's got a 200hp EcoTech engine and Aisin 5 Speed manual.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
They should enable motorcycles to have 4 wheels, is what I'm saying. An Ariel Atom is a motorcycle IMO.
Got ya.
I like the idea of 3 wheels. The Campagna T-Rex can pull 1.5 G's on the skidpad. It allows for a much lighter machine as well.
If their 4 wheel razors and buggies are any indication then this thing will probably be priced at 40 grand. At the price of a nice liter bike I'd be down.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 23, 2014, 01:13:54 PM
If their 4 wheel razors and buggies are any indication then this thing will probably be priced at 40 grand. At the price of a nice liter bike I'd be down.
Been searching for pricing... estimates range from $17.5k to $100k. Most guesses put it around 30k. If it's priced in the 20's, I'll definitely check one out.
Oh dear god. I would sell the BRZ and buy one of those in a heart beat if it's around $20k.
Sadly, I'm guessing it'll be more like $50k :cry:
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2014, 01:50:30 PM
Oh dear god. I would sell the BRZ and buy one of those in a heart beat if it's around $20k.
Sadly, I'm guessing it'll be more like $50k :cry:
There must be a solid business plan in place for Polaris to attempt this. The EcoTech drivetrain is very inexpensive... less than a lower volume motorcycle drivetrain. The optimist in me says it'll be priced under $30k. If it's more than that, I think it'll fail miserably.
200 hp is complete overkill in that thing. I would have been content with 100 hp N/A. But if they can deliver that kind of power for under $20k, that'll be the bargain of the century.
I agree, I think if they're over $30k, they're in trouble. That's a lot for a toy.
From the Slingshot forum...
"I contacted several local dealers. One of them said there would be 2 models at $18K and $28K which pretty much matches the $20K and $25K figures I've seen elsewhere."
I hope I hope I hope...
If the Can-Am Spyder is priced at $16-$30k, this pricing is quite possible IMO.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
They should enable motorcycles to have 4 wheels, is what I'm saying. An Ariel Atom is a motorcycle IMO.
How is the Ariel Atom a motorcycle?
Quote from: Raza on July 23, 2014, 02:32:09 PM
How is the Ariel Atom a motorcycle?
It's not to me. Because I actually like the Atom and would like to have one.
Have you guys seen the prices for other Polaris models? Gonna be $$$.
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 23, 2014, 03:33:12 PM
Have you guys seen the prices for other Polaris models? Gonna be $$$.
That's what I'm saying.
A 1000CC Razor is 20 G's, this thing is going to be stupid expensive. Probably X-Bow money(wasn't that thing like 40-50K?).
Anyway, I'm back to looking at locust/lotus shit. Now that the garage is thinning out(Evo gone, Audi gone, Miata Sold and a interested party in the Z) I'm a bit more motivated.
For 25K I can possibly build a Stalker M-Spec with a new GM LS3 480HP crate motor.
Quote from: Raza on July 23, 2014, 02:32:09 PM
How is the Ariel Atom a motorcycle?
A collision with a car would end the same for the Atom occupants.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
A collision with a car would end the same for the Atom occupants.
They'd probably fare a bit better, depending on the crash (speeds involved, how they are hit...). They do have a crash cage and harnesses.
Unless they get run over by a truck (in which case both bike and Atom are screwed), Atom is still 100x safer.
I fail to understand why I can buy a motorcycle in the US and it be street legal (and in some states not even wear a helmet), but can't buy something like an Ariel atom or xbow
Didn't they make a US street legal Atom?
Quote from: MX793 on July 23, 2014, 05:54:26 PM
Didn't they make a US street legal Atom?
Apparently, and they are "giving" them away for 60 grand with a 230hp N/A honda motor.
Quote from: r0tor on July 23, 2014, 05:46:22 PM
I fail to understand why I can buy a motorcycle in the US and it be street legal (and in some states not even wear a helmet), but can't buy something like an Ariel atom or xbow
Maybe 4 wheels = car, and therefore not DOT and NTSB compliant. 3 wheels or less = motorcycle, which has far less restrictions, and is the reason the Slingshot is able to be built, sold and registered by the public.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 23, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
Maybe 4 wheels = car, and therefore not DOT and NTSB compliant. 3 wheels or less = motorcycle, which has far less restrictions, and is the reason the Slingshot is able to be built, sold and registered by the public.
While true, it makes no flipping sense I can't buy an Xbow because it doesn't meet all safety crash standards.... But I can buy a new sport bike and go flying around without a helmet and meet no crash standard at all.
Well, motorcycles do require separate licensing/endorsements than cars to operate, not that they are all that difficult to get.
Ok, I'm completely clueless when it comes to motorcycle licensing. For something like a slingshot, I'd need to pass the motorcycle written test, right? Would I need to complete an actual test on a motor cycle? Something like this is completely different to operate.
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2014, 07:18:15 AM
Ok, I'm completely clueless when it comes to motorcycle licensing. For something like a slingshot, I'd need to pass the motorcycle written test, right? Would I need to complete an actual test on a motor cycle? Something like this is completely different to operate.
I wonder....since this is legally a motorcycle, could you just pass it in is?
Quote from: Raza on July 24, 2014, 07:22:11 AM
I wonder....since this is legally a motorcycle, could you just pass it in is?
I imagine the course is laughably easy when you don't have to balance the thing at low speeds :lol:
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2014, 05:23:34 AM
While true, it makes no flipping sense I can't buy an Xbow because it doesn't meet all safety crash standards.... But I can buy a new sport bike and go flying around without a helmet and meet no crash standard at all.
The government needs to protect you. You don't know any better.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 24, 2014, 07:27:01 AM
The government needs to protect you. You don't know any better.
Protect me by instead removing a wheel, making what is effectively a lawn dart when you lose traction at the rear :lol:
Quote from: Raza on July 24, 2014, 07:22:11 AM
I wonder....since this is legally a motorcycle, could you just pass it in is?
I can't speak for all states, but in many you need an MC license to operate a trike. I believe in many that if you take your road test on a trike you are restricted to operating trikes and have to test on a bike to operate 2-wheelers (if you test on a bike you may operate trikes).
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2014, 05:23:34 AM
While true, it makes no flipping sense I can't buy an Xbow because it doesn't meet all safety crash standards.... But I can buy a new sport bike and go flying around without a helmet and meet no crash standard at all.
Oh yeah, I agree completely. The Xbow and Atom are built like race cars, and are probably more survivable in a crash than a Hyundai Accent. Government knows best, though. :wanker:
(http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/the-first-full-photo-of-the-polaris-slingshot-most-likely-with-a-front-mounted-engine_1.jpg)
I like these wheels much better.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10542685_1510124025869904_5889583972608833510_o.jpg)
Yeah, the wheels on the pic above are ugly.
I looked into Ohio. Apparently there's a 3-wheel vehicle endorsement in Ohio. It's not a full motorcycle license, but it's kind of similar. Permit for a few months that require a helmet, then you get a full license, etc. I'd probably wear a helmet everywhere anyways (maybe not if just a trip down the street or something). :rockon:
Man, Polaris is really good at holding the cards to their chest. It's hard to find any other info on the Slingshot. Looking forward to finding out more on Sunday.
I really don't like the 3 wheel style of this thing. Total deal breaker unless it was cheap(doubtful).
It just occurred to me that the polaris product development plant is about 5 miles up the road from me. I get some polaris guys in the store every now and then, I'm sure they know the scoop.
Still at the end of the day it doesn't matter, I'm sure this thing will be way over priced for the market I'm in(track performance). It's price is much more likely geared toward the "more money than sense" 20K 4 wheeler market(rzr). I'd be shocked if it's less than 30 for a descent one. Maybe the "entry" model will be one with a 80HP twin in it, worthless IMO.
Well, we'll see on Sunday.
On a sidenote, I really want to strike that douchebag in the passenger seat doing all the air punching.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 24, 2014, 12:09:39 PM
On a sidenote, I really want to strike that douchebag in the passenger seat doing all the air punching.
My coworkers and I are all excited to see what this thing costs. Also, everyone promises to do similar air punching as a passenger if someone in the office buys one :lol:
What makes it better than an Ariel Atom?
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 24, 2014, 01:24:17 PM
What makes it better than an Ariel Atom?
The fact that you will be able to buy one
Cost (hopefully)
Dealer access
Warranty
Quote from: Rockraven on July 24, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
The fact that you will be able to buy one
Cost (hopefully)
Dealer access
Warranty
Street legal would also be a point
thought the Atom was street legal
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 24, 2014, 01:44:19 PM
thought the Atom was street legal
Sort of. Probably varies by State, but it sounds like a real pain in the ass:
IS IT LEGAL?
Lots of people ask me if my Ariel Atom is legal. The short answer is YES. But there's more to it than that. It's not as simple as walking off a car dealer's lot with title and registration. As a potential Ariel Atom owner, you'll need to know about a California DMV code named SB-100.
The SB-100 gives 500 vehicles a year the opportunity to be sequenced "specially constructed." The DMV gives 500 vehicles a chance by giving away the numbers 1 to 500. Obviously, in the whole state of California there's a lot of people putting together kit cars or Cobra replicas, etc. So it's really important to get one of these numbers as quickly as you can.
I lined up at the DMV at 4am on January 2nd to be first in line. Even then I had a miserable 3 hour wait while the local office kept ringing and getting a busy signal from Sacramento. Lots of other drivers all over California were busily calling Sacramento trying to get their numbers as well. After three hours of torture I was given a sequence number. This was the beginning of the process of getting my Atom street legal.
This vehicle qualifies as a specially constructed vehicle because it is sold as a kit for self-assembly. Therefore, the laws that apply to a passenger vehicle don't apply to it. This special sequence also gets you a lifetime exemption for a smog certificate. Without that exemption, the Ariel would never qualify. So the SB-100 is great for the new Ariel Atom owner.
Next, you'll need to have a CHP inspection where they go through some of the details on the car. Then you'll go to the smog referee who verifies that you're smog exempt. You'll have a brake and light inspection, back to the DMV and lo and behold you get your license plates. It's a wonderful feeling when that happens!
As an Ariel Atom fan I want as many people as possible to own an Atom, to be legal and get licensed. Obviously I'm not going to be able to get into all that detailed paperwork on this site, but you can go to ArielAtomClub.com and become a member. There you'll have access to the forum where there are some tremendous people who can help you through the process.
http://www.andysatom.com/legal.html (http://www.andysatom.com/legal.html)
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 24, 2014, 01:53:36 PM
http://www.andysatom.com/legal.html (http://www.andysatom.com/legal.html)
That's what I just posted.
Yeah, Ariel Atoms are a huge pain in the ass to get street legal. Also, they're $60k... used. You can't get one for cheaper. They're also impossible to find already assembled.
This could be an Ariel Atom that's <$20k, easy to register, and easy to find. Being able to walk up and purchase one is a huge difference.
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
Yeah, Ariel Atoms are a huge pain in the ass to get street legal. Also, they're $60k... used. You can't get one for cheaper. They're also impossible to find already assembled.
This could be an Ariel Atom that's <$20k, easy to register, and easy to find. Being able to walk up and purchase one is a huge difference.
I love the Atom, but the only legal one in Canada is owned by a Toronto doctor and cost >$100,000.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 24, 2014, 01:56:20 PM
That's what I just posted.
Yeah, well, I posted it second.
As for the KTM X-Bow...
The X-Bow will start at $88,500 for the base Street model. Stepping up to the Clubsport adds roughly the price of one XX bringing the price to $103,500; another $34,000 will get you into a X-Bow Superlight. At the top of the heap is the $139,000 GT4. However, those prices don't include an engine or transaxle, since the X-Bow is coming here as a kit car – that can be bought and installed for around $7900. All prices include airfreight and delivery charges to U.S. dealers. So unless you just want to put your X-Bow on display in your living room, starting prices actually start around $96,400, similar to what we expected.
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/pricing-ktm-bow-released-starts-88500-36509.html#ixzz38PyceLmk (http://wot.motortrend.com/pricing-ktm-bow-released-starts-88500-36509.html#ixzz38PyceLmk)
I'm beginning to worry it's going to cost Corvette money... :(
Take a look at this:
http://www.andysatom.com/legal.html (http://www.andysatom.com/legal.html)
Quote from: Rockraven on July 24, 2014, 02:03:05 PM
As for the KTM X-Bow...
The X-Bow will start at $88,500 for the base Street model. Stepping up to the Clubsport adds roughly the price of one XX bringing the price to $103,500; another $34,000 will get you into a X-Bow Superlight. At the top of the heap is the $139,000 GT4. However, those prices don't include an engine or transaxle, since the X-Bow is coming here as a kit car – that can be bought and installed for around $7900. All prices include airfreight and delivery charges to U.S. dealers. So unless you just want to put your X-Bow on display in your living room, starting prices actually start around $96,400, similar to what we expected.
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/pricing-ktm-bow-released-starts-88500-36509.html#ixzz38PyceLmk (http://wot.motortrend.com/pricing-ktm-bow-released-starts-88500-36509.html#ixzz38PyceLmk)
I would love a $20k legal Xbow :cry:
Quote from: r0tor on July 24, 2014, 02:19:15 PM
I would love a $20k legal Xbow :cry:
This might be basically what you want :huh:
I'd prefer 4 wheels over 3, but close enough.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 24, 2014, 02:14:34 PM
Take a look at this:
http://www.andysatom.com/legal.html (http://www.andysatom.com/legal.html)
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4759421/punch-in-face-o.gif)
I'd rather have a 4 wheeled, single seater mid engined car with 250-300HP. Something like that would be nice for 25K.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 24, 2014, 02:50:43 PM
I'd rather have a 4 wheeled, single seater mid engined car with 250-300HP. Something like that would be nice for 25K.
(https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/themes/factoryfive/images/slideshows/project-818/project-818-25.jpg)
Nope
That thing is hideous.
(http://www.superlitecars.com/images/igallery/resized/1-100/n2-34-628-380-80-c.jpg)
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 24, 2014, 03:07:22 PM
(http://www.superlitecars.com/images/igallery/resized/1-100/n2-34-628-380-80-c.jpg)
Ah yeah, is that the Nemesis?
The Exocet uses Miata running gear, and the kit is <$8000.
(http://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/general-miata-chat-9/24649d1315852834-interesting-kit-car-mev-exocet-benscar_32633-jpg)
Yup, Nemesis. Hard to beat for around 25K done in most cases.
The exocet is cool and might be a handy way to alter a certain miata one is having trouble getting rid of. Proportions wise it is the homeliest of the bunch.
I also like the GBM Zero, Miata based Lotus 7 kit for under $7000.
https://nebula.wsimg.com/81f4722f59d01cebdc2d9629c7708827?AccessKeyId=9EE7FE37AC32D1FBFCD9&disposition=0
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2014, 11:14:11 AM
Yeah, the wheels on the pic above are ugly.
I looked into Ohio. Apparently there's a 3-wheel vehicle endorsement in Ohio. It's not a full motorcycle license, but it's kind of similar. Permit for a few months that require a helmet, then you get a full license, etc. I'd probably wear a helmet everywhere anyways (maybe not if just a trip down the street or something). :rockon:
I don't think you'd need one off the highway.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 24, 2014, 02:50:43 PM
I'd rather have a 4 wheeled, single seater mid engined car with 250-300HP. Something like that would be nice for 25K.
I just want an S2000. Or an Elise. Or a Z4. So I'm pretty much set.
I visited Stanford's campus one time and met a mechanical engineering student (may have been a grad student) who built his own Atom from scratch. Pretty awesome.
I'll take a Cobra replica with a Coyote V8.
Today's the day our dreams are crushed!
6 hours and 51 minutes to launch.
Oooooo
(http://www.slingshotforums.com/data/photos/l/0/100-1406168376-9650136882ddf0913aaf31c04d621439.png)
(http://www.slingshotforums.com/data/photos/l/0/98-1406168366-de0f2df77d212dce5d6e8b2af4abc6b2.png)
(http://www.slingshotforums.com/data/photos/l/0/99-1406168370-e3964f6f45fa24a885924f9105298605.png)
Lol it's so ugly
Too big and heavy
Junk.
Bah. No cupholders, A/C, rear seats, and can't tow a 5th-wheel. Junk.
Needs more ground clearance.
Ok, those wheels are just awful. Everything else, I'm on board with.
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 03:17:47 PM
Ok, those wheels are just awful. Everything else, I'm on board with.
Agree. I showed a pic of the optional wheels which look much better.
You can see the other wheel in this pic. Much better.
(http://www.slingshotforums.com/attachments/polaris-slingshot-covered-jpg.229/)
$20k starting price. Here's how I see the pricing basically:
-$4k for red paint + infotainment package (serious :wtf: there)
-Infotainment on the gray model (speakers system, back up cam, and bluetooth to your phone) - $2200
-Couple grand for the ugly wheels
-Windshield $500
The important specs:
- Dry Weight: 1684
- Curb Weight: 1743 lbs
- 2.4 liter ecotec
- 173 hp @ 6200 RPM
- 166 ft-lbs @ 4700 RPM
- 5-speed Aisin manual
- Electric power steering
This is awesome. The Base one in black is ideal. Even has the better looking wheels. Win.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 27, 2014, 05:00:32 PM
This is awesome. The Base one in black is ideal. Even has the better looking wheels. Win.
+1 It's a lot heavier than I thought it would be. But it's also cheaper than I expected.
I'd just get the base gray one. No need for a sound system. Just get a bluetooth speaker system for your helmet. It'll sound better anyways than trying to blast music through an open cockpit like that.
Not sure if I'd even get a windshield honestly. There's also storage behind both seats that can each fit a helmet and rain gear :rockon:
Nick, are you seriously considering? I definitely am :mask:
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 05:07:10 PM
+1 It's a lot heavier than I thought it would be. But it's also cheaper than I expected.
I'd just get the base gray one. No need for a sound system. Just get a bluetooth speaker system for your helmet. It'll sound better anyways than trying to blast music through an open cockpit like that.
Not sure if I'd even get a windshield honestly. There's also storage behind both seats that can each fit a helmet and rain gear :rockon:
Nick, are you seriously considering? I definitely am :mask:
Yes, but next spring. Also waiting for the new Miata/Fiat. Since whatever I get is essentially going to be a toy, the Slingshot is now at the top of the list. The price is a pleasant surprise, given a 1000RZR is $20k.
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 04:45:04 PM
$20k starting price. Here's how I see the pricing basically:
-$4k for red paint + infotainment package (serious :wtf: there)
-Infotainment on the gray model (speakers system, back up cam, and bluetooth to your phone) - $2200
-Couple grand for the ugly wheels
-Windshield $500
The important specs:
- Dry Weight: 1684
- Curb Weight: 1743 lbs
- 2.4 liter ecotec
- 173 hp @ 6200 RPM
- 166 ft-lbs @ 4700 RPM
- 5-speed Aisin manual
- Electric power steering
I sincerely hope that's not the same powertrain that came in the Skystice twins.
Quote from: MX793 on July 27, 2014, 05:20:08 PM
I sincerely hope that's not the same powertrain that came in the Skystice twins.
Indeed it is. Why do you say that?
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 05:21:02 PM
Indeed it is. Why do you say that?
The gear ratios are not well matched to that motor's powerband. I've never read any praise for that powertrain combo.
Thankfully, the tranny is different. The 2.4 EcoTech is bulletproof.
Quote from: MX793 on July 27, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
The gear ratios are not well matched to that motor's powerband. I've never read any praise for that powertrain combo.
This has a 5 speed Aisin. Not the same Colorado transmission.
I would be much more motivated if there was an option for a 4th wheel...
Quote from: Rockraven on July 27, 2014, 05:30:08 PM
Thankfully, the tranny is different. The 2.4 EcoTech is bulletproof.
You sure about that? The Skystice used an Aisin AR5 transmission. And the gear ratios are exactly the same.
Yeah, I don't think there's any other trans that will mate up to the 2.4
Quote from: MX793 on July 27, 2014, 05:35:19 PM
You sure about that? The Skystice used an Aisin AR5 transmission. And the gear ratios are exactly the same.
Whoops, you're right. I thought the Solstice was a 6 speed. Uh-oh. I didn't like that tranny in the one I test drove.
Was it geared too short or too tall?
I'm sure the rear end (err.. chain) is geared differently.
I just did the math. 3.65 vs 3.73 in the solstice/sky :mask:
I think it's worth a test drive though, just to see. The question is, can I test drive without having a motorcycle license...
Quote from: Rockraven on July 27, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
The price is a pleasant surprise, given a 1000RZR is $20k.
Guess they don't think the market is as willing to spend silly amounts of money on this compared to the ATV market.
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
Was it geared too short or too tall?
The problem was more the gear spacing. IIRC, the gap from 2nd to 3rd (or maybe it was 3rd to 4th?) was too large and the motor fell out of the sweet spot.
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 27, 2014, 05:58:27 PM
Guess they don't think the market is as willing to spend silly amounts of money on this compared to the ATV market.
Powertrain is likely cheaper by virtue of the larger quantities of EcoTecs built every year vs ATV engines.
Quote from: MX793 on July 27, 2014, 06:10:58 PM
The problem was more the gear spacing. IIRC, the gap from 2nd to 3rd (or maybe it was 3rd to 4th?) was too large and the motor fell out of the sweet spot.
Darn. I'm going to try and get a test drive and see what it's like. Maybe by virtue of it being so much lighter, it won't fall back in the dead zone for long? A man can wish...
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 06:26:32 PM
Darn. I'm going to try and get a test drive and see what it's like. Maybe by virtue of it being so much lighter, it won't fall back in the dead zone for long? A man can wish...
This is a completely different animal than the Skystice, and has the additional belt final drive. I'm looking forward to some real reviews and of course a test drive. I'm going to have to get my MC license now.
Guys, you know what this means though...
LNF Ecotect bolts right up. That means 300 hp for another couple grand...
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
Guys, you know what this means though...
LNF Ecotect bolts right up. That means 300 hp for another couple grand...
:dance:
Quote from: MX793 on July 27, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
The gear ratios are not well matched to that motor's powerband. I've never read any praise for that powertrain combo.
Sometimes, chopping half a ton off the curb weight can rearrange those issues.
:huh:
Nothing too amazing, I'm sure they'll sell a few for a few years and then dump it. Atleast people who buy a can am can still argue they are actually "riding" a bike.
This looks pretty cheesy, is that steering wheel even leather wrapped? 4 grand for red paint? I hope it's actually paint and not gelcoat for that kind of money.
Pretty heavy, IMO and not very powerful while being too expensive and somewhat stupid looking.
Performance wise this thing has about the same power to weight as a base C5 corvette. It's far from slow but also not quite "fast" either, IMO.
I guess I give them some credit for trying though, nobody else seems to be trying.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 27, 2014, 07:22:09 PM
:huh:
Nothing too amazing, I'm sure they'll sell a few for a few years and then dump it. Atleast people who buy a can am can still argue they are actually "riding" a bike.
This looks pretty cheesy, is that steering wheel even leather wrapped? 4 grand for red paint? I hope it's actually paint and not gelcoat for that kind of money.
Pretty heavy, IMO and not very powerful while being too expensive and somewhat stupid looking.
Performance wise this thing has about the same power to weight as a base C5 corvette. It's far from slow but also not quite "fast" either, IMO.
I guess I give them some credit for trying though, nobody else seems to be trying.
Nobody has done it for this price point. Makes the KTM and Campagna T-Rex look grossly overpriced.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 27, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
This is a completely different animal than the Skystice, and has the additional belt final drive. I'm looking forward to some real reviews and of course a test drive. I'm going to have to get my MC license now.
Final drive, including belt, is taller than the Skystice was. But it is also much lighter, so even out of the sweet spot, the thing is going to hustle.
Still to expensive, atleast for me.
I believe is someone really wanted to they could make something much better for less. My guess it would be one of the japanese companies.
Skirting automotive crash and emissions requirements by making it a trike should allow for a huge amount of savings in regard to R&D and manufacturing costs.
A RaceRep liter bike is all of 13K. The only difference between that and a performance trike is a some metal and another wheel and a seat. I wouldn't expect them to be able to beat that price, but I'd think one of them would be able to come in well under 20. With a much superior product compard to the slingshot.
Guys, the solution is simple: Skip the red paint, worthless sound system, and ugly wheels.
Instead, drop in a crate LNF motor for $3k. 300 hp, 340 lb/ft of torque. Bad gearing be damned :lol:
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 27, 2014, 07:22:09 PM
:huh:
Atleast people who buy a can am can still argue they are actually "riding" a bike.
No. They can't.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 27, 2014, 07:22:09 PM
:huh:
Nothing too amazing, I'm sure they'll sell a few for a few years and then dump it. Atleast people who buy a can am can still argue they are actually "riding" a bike.
This looks pretty cheesy, is that steering wheel even leather wrapped? 4 grand for red paint? I hope it's actually paint and not gelcoat for that kind of money.
Pretty heavy, IMO and not very powerful while being too expensive and somewhat stupid looking.
Performance wise this thing has about the same power to weight as a base C5 corvette. It's far from slow but also not quite "fast" either, IMO.
I guess I give them some credit for trying though, nobody else seems to be trying.
It might not be blindly fast, but it's that kind of open wheel driving experience can't really be had for $20k. I'm excited for it.
It may seem weird, but I'm curious how open the lower portion of the cockpit is. If I wear khakis into work, would I run the risk of getting road grime all kicked up at me?
Also, something like this needs a motorcycle motor. I can only imagine the thrill of driving a purpose built race machine with a gm 4 banger rattling and thrashing away as I run it deep into it's 6400rpm redline.
Another reason the japanese need to do this, atleast they have the motors laying around to power something like this(properly).
maybe that's the best thing about this, it's existence and the possibility that someone will answer this product with something much much better.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 27, 2014, 07:36:35 PM
No. They can't.
They can, kind of. Since they are sitting up and moving handlebars.
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
It might not be blindly fast, but it's that kind of open wheel driving experience can't really be had for $20k. I'm excited for it.
It may seem weird, but I'm curious how open the lower portion of the cockpit is. If I wear khakis into work, would I run the risk of getting road grime all kicked up at me?
I'd be more worried about that GM mill showering me with miscellaneous liquids.
Quote from: r0tor on July 27, 2014, 05:34:58 PM
I would be much more motivated if there was an option for a 4th wheel...
Legally, that might work as a bolt-on aftermarket kit
Frankly, the 3 wheeled aspect is a dealbreaker for me. Price could have overcome that but I see alot more people being more interested in used performance vehicles, kit cars or other purpose built track cars. Anyone in this market(speaking of the track/race aspect) isn't going to be afraid to turn a wrench. With that in mind this thing does miss the bar, IMO.
I'll put my money elsewhere and be much better off for it.
(http://stalkercars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/MSpec_1_Garage2.jpg)
That thing looks great, but for $29k, you still need to do paint, gauges, lights, wheels/tires, and seats. And that's for the most complete kit you can buy. Buying anything less complete, and you're probably looking at a year long project at least.
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 07:50:14 PM
That thing looks great, but for $29k, you still need to do paint, gauges, lights, wheels/tires, and seats. And that's for the most complete kit you can buy. Buying anything less complete, and you're probably looking at a year long project at least.
:huh:
I was thinking of buying the stage 3 this winter and having it finished by early spring. It's not that much work.
Even a stage 3 and wheels and tires gives you a complete roller, just install(bolt in) engine and drivetrain and that's 80% of the car.
What kit is that?
Brunton cars, the stalker m-spec.
A lotus 7 esque car.
Money wise you can buy a Superlite nemesis for 20K, its a finished rolling chassis that ONLY requires a drivetrain. With a used drivetrain for 2-4K someone could bolt this thing up and have a driver in probably less than 100 hours of work.
(http://www.gt40s.com/images/misc/jeffstint.jpg)
With a 200HP 1.8T or 2.0T(and cheap mods available) this option BLOWS the polaris out of the water, IMO.
and it looks fucking bad ass, as opposed to the polaris just looking like ass(it's the three wheel layout that brings it down IMO).
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 27, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
Money wise you can buy a Superlite nemesis for 20K, its a finished rolling chassis that ONLY requires a drivetrain. With a used drivetrain for 2-4K someone could bolt this thing up and have a driver in probably less than 100 hours of work.
(http://www.gt40s.com/images/misc/jeffstint.jpg)
With a 200HP 1.8T or 2.0T(and cheap mods available) this option BLOWS the polaris out of the water, IMO.
Of course, then you'll have to buy a truck/SUV and a trailer (assuming you don't already own them) to take it to someplace where you'll be able to drive it.
The nemesis has been registered and used legally on the streets, it's not a guarantee but its possible.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 27, 2014, 08:29:10 PM
The nemesis has been registered and used legally on the streets, it's not a guarantee but its possible.
Likely depends on what state you live in. And may not be cheap even if it is possible to register it.
Quote from: MX793 on July 27, 2014, 08:30:03 PM
Likely depends on what state you live in. And may not be cheap even if it is possible to register it.
It was posted as a reference to the work required for the stalker kits. I was just pointing out that a "complete" just add motor kit is still possible for a similar price to this slingshot.
Cost wise I think you just add lights, the biggest issue is SLC doesn't give a statement of origin or whatever it's called.
The Brunton is cool, but the Westfield is a much better deal. Who needs a frikkin V8 in a 1300 lb Seven replica?
http://www.flyinmiata.com/westfield/configurator.php (http://www.flyinmiata.com/westfield/configurator.php)
westfield is too expensive..
4K FOR SHIPPING, good god. That's 2/3rds of a 480HP LS3 crate motor.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 27, 2014, 08:36:42 PM
The Brunton is cool, but the Westfield is a much better deal. Who needs a frikkin V8 in a 1300 lb Seven replica?
http://www.flyinmiata.com/westfield/configurator.php (http://www.flyinmiata.com/westfield/configurator.php)
I'm thinking of building a stalker, with a 480HP crate motor that would make it equivalent to a ~1000HP Corvette.
I admit, that seems like it may possibly arguable maybe be just alittle on the overpowered side. I might just get the 430HP LS3 crate.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 27, 2014, 08:33:08 PM
Cost wise I think you just add lights, the biggest issue is SLC doesn't give a statement of origin or whatever it's called.
In Michigan you would need to register it as an "assembled vehicle," and in addition to all the required lights, you need to have a windshield, working windshield wipers, and sprayers.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 27, 2014, 08:37:36 PM
westfield is too expensive..
4K FOR SHIPPING, good god. That's 2/3rds of a 480HP LS3 crate motor.
Shipped from UK. This kit plus their crate Miata engine/parts package comes in under $22,000. With the options I want, I configured mine for $26,800.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 27, 2014, 08:41:07 PM
Shipped from UK. This kit plus their crate Miata engine/parts package comes in under $22,000. With the options I want, I configured mine for $26,800.
While more than I'd pay, I agree that it's probably a better option than the topic of discussion.
That nemesis is $20k without a drivetrain, and would require 250 hours to build still :mask:
I don't have that much time, that would take me forever.
GBM Zero. You could build your LS3 powered Seven car for under $15,000. :dance:
https://nebula.wsimg.com/81f4722f59d01cebdc2d9629c7708827?AccessKeyId=9EE7FE37AC32D1FBFCD9&disposition=0
Quote from: MrH on July 27, 2014, 08:44:19 PM
That nemesis is $20k without a drivetrain, and would require 250 hours to build still :mask:
I don't have that much time, that would take me forever.
I don't understand their math though, it's bought as an assembled roller. How long would it take to bolt in a VW 4 banger?
Quote from: Rockraven on July 27, 2014, 08:45:35 PM
GBM Zero. You could build your LS3 powered Seven car for under $15,000. :dance:
https://nebula.wsimg.com/81f4722f59d01cebdc2d9629c7708827?AccessKeyId=9EE7FE37AC32D1FBFCD9&disposition=0
Holy shit. I want that.
Great review.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/933/18911/Motorcycle-Article/2015-Polaris-Slingshot-First-Ride-Review.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/933/18911/Motorcycle-Article/2015-Polaris-Slingshot-First-Ride-Review.aspx)
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2014, 02:22:25 PM
This might be basically what you want :huh:
I'd prefer 4 wheels over 3, but close enough.
Thats like saying, 'Id prefer 2 legs over 1, but close enough'
No, I need 4 wheels
Re: Slingshart
www.welcome2theinternet.com/memesandgifs/Teamamericabarf.gif (http://www.welcome2theinternet.com/memesandgifs/Teamamericabarf.gif)
I read this thing is actually bigger than a miata!?!?
Slingshot:
Overall Length (in/mm) 149.6 in/3800 mm
Overall Width (in/mm) 77.6 in/1960 mm
Overall Height (in/mm) 51.9 in/1318 mm
Track Width (in/mm) 69.1 in/1755 mm
Wheelbase (in/mm) 105.0 in/2667 mm
Ground Clearance (in/mm) 5.0 in/127 mm
NC Miata:
Wheelbase 2,329.18 mm (91.7 in)
Length 4,000–4,020 mm (157.5–158.3 in)
Width 1,720 mm (67.7 in)
Height 1,240–1,255 mm (48.8–49.4 in)
Curb weight 1,110–1,153 kg (2,447–2,542 lb)
Lol, it's 10" wider. Sort of close to each other in length, but a much much longer wheelbase.
Is that good or bad?
Surprised no one has mentioned the crappiness of only having one rear tire for traction and handling balance... Review looks like it's decently set up, but chances are it's potential is lacking compared to something with 4 wheels.
It's a pretty wide rear tire, with good rubber it should be able to handle the "power" of that 4 banger.
The really should have made the front end the single end. I think that actually has huge handling benefits.
Either way, doesn't matter. I read that polaris is looking to cash in on existing customers, athletes/celebrities and some other such nonsense. I think track junkies is the last thing on their mind(rightfully so, possibly).
Not sure if I would ever buy one but I would love to drive one.
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 28, 2014, 06:00:09 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned the crappiness of only having one rear tire for traction and handling balance... Review looks like it's decently set up, but chances are it's potential is lacking compared to something with 4 wheels.
Because it isn't crappiness. This thing pulls .98g on the skid pad. The T-Rex pulls 1.5g. Reverse trike technology is sound, and very comparable to having 2 smaller wheels at the back. And again, this machine cannot exist as a 4 wheeler, owing to the strict regs in NA. Even if they could do a 4 wheeler, it'll be right up into X-Bow money, or 3-4 times the price.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 28, 2014, 06:27:19 PM
It's a pretty wide rear tire, with good rubber it should be able to handle the "power" of that 4 banger.
The really should have made the front end the single end. I think that actually has huge handling benefits.
Either way, doesn't matter. I read that polaris is looking to cash in on existing customers, athletes/celebrities and some other such nonsense. I think track junkies is the last thing on their mind(rightfully so, possibly).
Trikes are very unstable. Reverse trikes are not. Remember the Reliant Robin?
The fact that they made the rear end a higher ratio tells me it has/had traction issues. :huh:
I'm just saying it that technically, it's not as good.
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 28, 2014, 06:56:17 PM
The fact that they made the rear end a higher ratio tells me it has/had traction issues. :huh:
I'm just saying it that technically, it's not as good.
Technically, a motorcycle isn't as good as a car. :huh:
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 28, 2014, 06:56:17 PM
The fact that they made the rear end a higher ratio tells me it has/had traction issues. :huh:
I'm just saying it that technically, it's not as good.
... What?
Single wheel up front is dangerous. Reverse trikes can put some ridiculous numbers up. This thing pulls .98 g's on what looks to be pretty weak tires. 245 mm slicks or really aggressive summers up front, and maybe 285 in the rear, and this will melt faces.
It's a pretty big single contact patch in the rear. This thing is going to be a drift machine with stability control off. It'll come around fast, but super predictable when there's no diff shuffling power around.
Lotus 7 is at 1.02 g's in a C&D test, Ariel Atom at 1.12 g's.
Three wheelers have quicker yaw ratios so it'll be responsive, but overall I think 4 wheeled vehicles have the edge.
I'm not saying it won't be a fun vehicle, which is really the only thing that matters. Although personally I'd take a Morgan 3-wheeler just cuz they're neat.
Okay class, here is today's lesson.
Trikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fiB9N2nTimE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fiB9N2nTimE)
Reverse Trikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RV2K2ojotOo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RV2K2ojotOo)
Any questions?
I showed my dad. He said it looked like an oversized power wheels, that only nerds at comic con would appreciate :lol:. He reminded me that girls are more impressed with a Porsche, not one of these.
Yes buy a Porsche. Preferably a new boxster.
So is this thing FWD then?
Quote from: Minpin on July 28, 2014, 07:54:54 PM
Yes buy a Porsche. Preferably a new boxster.
So is this thing FWD then?
$20k and $70k are two entirely different animals.
Naw, this is RWD. Conventional transmission to a bevel gear to a belt drive.
Quote from: MrH on July 28, 2014, 07:56:37 PM
$20k and $70k are two entirely different animals.
Naw, this is RWD. Conventional transmission to a bevel gear to a belt drive.
CEOs should be able to afford a boxster.
Jesus, this place is like the comment section of one of the review sites:
"$20 thou is too much. I can get a Miata for that. Should've been $9000."
"Shoulda went with 4 wheels"
"The GXR1200 is faster, and is only $14,000."
"Is it FWD?"
:facepalm:
Quote from: Mustangfan2003 on July 28, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
Not sure if I would ever buy one but I would love to drive one.
Yeah, I'd love to try one out, but I think I'd rather own a small actual sports car than this.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 28, 2014, 07:50:05 PM
Okay class, here is today's lesson.
Trikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fiB9N2nTimE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fiB9N2nTimE)
Reverse Trikes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RV2K2ojotOo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RV2K2ojotOo)
Any questions?
The first one looks much more fun.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 28, 2014, 08:07:48 PM
Jesus, this place is like the comment section of one of the review sites:
"$20 thou is too much. I can get a Miata for that. Should've been $9000."
"Shoulda went with 4 wheels"
"The GXR1200 is faster, and is only $14,000."
"Is it FWD?"
:facepalm:
Welcome to the internet
You can add, "its fucking HIDEOUS" to that list
Quote from: Rockraven on July 28, 2014, 08:07:48 PM
Jesus, this place is like the comment section of one of the review sites:
"$20 thou is too much. I can get a Miata for that. Should've been $9000."
"Shoulda went with 4 wheels"
"The GXR1200 is faster, and is only $14,000."
"Is it FWD?"
:facepalm:
+1
Apparently you and I are the only two excited for this thing. I think it's the biggest thing to come to cheap performance in a long time, but everyone wants to poo-poo on it. If a Miata came out with this kind of performance fro $20k, this place would lose their mind. This thing looks like a blast to drive.
Look, we all know it's a 3 wheeler to skirt automotive safety and emission regs. Classifying it as a bike is the way to do that.
IF they wanted to build a machine with the highest level of performance(handling) it would have had 4 wheels. It's a compromise, not an attribute. I'm sure it will handle well and put up good numbers but no doubt it would be better(in just about every sense) as a 4 wheeler.
I wish the gov wasn't so uptight about shit, they really do ruin the fun for all of us.
It's a compromise that still represents the best performance for $20k by a LONG shot.
4 wheels would have been great. But it's not a possibility right now.
I wonder what class this would fall into for SCCA solo, or if they'd even let it run because it's classed as a motorcycle?
Quote from: MrH on July 29, 2014, 07:10:08 AM
+1
Apparently you and I are the only two excited for this thing. I think it's the biggest thing to come to cheap performance in a long time, but everyone wants to poo-poo on it. If a Miata came out with this kind of performance fro $20k, this place would lose their mind. This thing looks like a blast to drive.
It's cook. If I already had three other cars and had money and space for a fourth, I'd consider one. But I'm certainly not going to trade the Z4 in on one.
Quote from: MrH on July 29, 2014, 07:10:08 AM
+1
Apparently you and I are the only two excited for this thing. I think it's the biggest thing to come to cheap performance in a long time, but everyone wants to poo-poo on it. If a Miata came out with this kind of performance fro $20k, this place would lose their mind. This thing looks like a blast to drive.
I'd think a miata wouldn't be too far behind this car on a track. Price isn't all that different either. I'm not saying its a bad car(trike) just that it really isn't nothing spectacular.
I wonder why they chose the GM 4 banger? Seems like alot of options out there. Maybe it was a USA thing, but I would have hoped ford would have stepped up and had some 1.6 ecoboosts for them to use.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 29, 2014, 08:21:28 AM
I wonder why they chose the GM 4 banger? Seems like alot of options out there. Maybe it was a USA thing, but I would have hoped ford would have stepped up and had some 1.6 ecoboosts for them to use.
Probably just cheaper. That version of the ecotec has been around close to a decade, so all its tooling and whatnot was paid off already. If GM is still making them, I am sure they are making them for cheap.
I guarantee they were the cheapest, still doesn't mean they should automatically choose the cheapest option. With very low cost(I imagine) in these it wouldn't have killed them to spend 500 or so more per unit on a more livelier mill in such a sporting product.
Quote from: MrH on July 28, 2014, 07:24:01 PM
... What?
Single wheel up front is dangerous. Reverse trikes can put some ridiculous numbers up. This thing pulls .98 g's on what looks to be pretty weak tires. 245 mm slicks or really aggressive summers up front, and maybe 285 in the rear, and this will melt faces.
It's a pretty big single contact patch in the rear. This thing is going to be a drift machine with stability control off. It'll come around fast, but super predictable when there's no diff shuffling power around.
I'm not sure I would really trust drifting a 3 wheeler.
I woner why they didn't use a motorcycle drivetrain like the T-Rex. I think this thing is awesome, but I could only justify buying one if I didn't have any kids at home and I had three other cars.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 29, 2014, 09:17:57 AM
I guarantee they were the cheapest, still doesn't mean they should automatically choose the cheapest option. With very low cost(I imagine) in these it wouldn't have killed them to spend 500 or so more per unit on a more livelier mill in such a sporting product.
I think that depends on what their goals were.
If they were shooting for a price point of $19,995 or something, $500 per unit would definitely be significant. That 2.5% of the entire sales price, and could be 10% or more of the Gross Margin. Its also very possible that the ecotec's are so damn cheap that nothing else could even get close...certainly no engine with turbochargers or anything like that.
Apart from that, not sure how you would even know, without driving it, how suited to the vehicle the engine actually is. While the slingshot is a lot lighter than a car (which will naturally make the 2.4 ecotec perform better), it is a lot heavier than a motorcycle and it is very possible the abundant torque from this engine is better suited to the overall package than a smaller engine with similar power, but achieve at much higher RPMs.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 28, 2014, 08:07:48 PM
Jesus, this place is like the comment section of one of the review sites:
"$20 thou is too much. I can get a Miata for that. Should've been $9000."
"Shoulda went with 4 wheels"
"The GXR1200 is faster, and is only $14,000."
"Is it FWD?"
:facepalm:
Are you suggesting that if this was unveiled at a car show, and you were there with your buddies the conversation would have gone differently?
Would you get your panties in as big of a bunch then too? These are all valid questions/criticisms of a $20k weekend toy.
I've never heard a 4 cylinder GM motor described as "lively" "rev-happy" or any other positive remark regarding it's athletic nature.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 29, 2014, 11:10:38 AM
I've never heard a 4 cylinder GM motor described as "lively" "rev-happy" or any other positive remark regarding it's athletic nature.
The original Quad4 was pretty rev happy.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 29, 2014, 10:10:43 AM
I woner why they didn't use a motorcycle drivetrain like the T-Rex. I think this thing is awesome, but I could only justify buying one if I didn't have any kids at home and I had three other cars.
I like the layout of Slingshot better - engine up front should move the center of gravity closer to the front wheels, which is better for handling and rolliver resistance in a trike.
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 29, 2014, 11:39:56 AM
I like the layout of Slingshot better - engine up front should move the center of gravity closer to the front wheels, which is better for handling and rolliver resistance in a trike.
The T-Rex pulls more Gs and has the engine in the back.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Red_Campagna_T-Rex_in_New_York_left_rear.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on July 29, 2014, 12:24:53 PM
The T-Rex pulls more Gs and has the engine in the back.
:confused:
A Ford Focus ST pulls more g's than a Ford Crown Vic. Clearly, FWD is superior drivetrain layout.
Quote from: MrH on July 29, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
:confused:
A Ford Focus ST pulls more g's than a Ford Crown Vic. Clearly, FWD is superior drivetrain layout.
You are clearly misunderstanding the issue. Stay out of it.
The handling theory says that CG on the two-wheeled end is best. Skidpad results could be influenced by a lot of other things.
T-Rex reviews say the rear end is quite squirrelly.
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 29, 2014, 02:42:38 PM
The handling theory says that CG on the two-wheeled end is best. Skidpad results could be influenced by a lot of other things.
T-Rex reviews say the rear end is quite squirrelly.
You don't think less weight over the rear tire won't cause the rear end to be more squirrelly?
True. But also, more weight over the rear = more momentum, so the rear end wants to get to the finish line before the front end.
First drives of the Slingshot don't mention squirrelliness as much as T-Rex reviews. Could be the engine placement, could be something else.
On another topic, I'm not sure I'd like the motorcycle transmission in the T-Rex compared to a regular tranny. Would take some getting used to.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 29, 2014, 02:02:09 PM
You are clearly misunderstanding the issue. Stay out of it.
:wtf:
I love it; even though chances are slim I would buy it.
My only real complaint is that I wish the styling was more simplistic. Less like the T-Rex; more like the Morgan or SUB G-1 trikes.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 29, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
I love it; even though chances are slim I would buy it.
My only real complaint is that I wish the styling was more simplistic. Less like the T-Rex; more like the Morgan or SUB G-1 trikes.
Yeah, it's a little out there. I'm hoping it'll grow on me because I do like the package and the fun factor of it all. My tastes are more towards the Lotus 7 and the Morgan Trike. The former I get to build and is doable for the same money, but the latter is Corvette money, and sadly out of the question. As it is, the Slingshot is terrific for someone wanting this type of vehicle from the factory, able to finance and with full warranty. It's great to have this choice and I applaud Polaris for doing it.
Yeah I looked up the price of the Morgan yesterday and cried.
However...
http://www.pembleton.co.uk/ (http://www.pembleton.co.uk/)
The Morgan foes nothing for me.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 29, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
However...
http://www.pembleton.co.uk/ (http://www.pembleton.co.uk/)
Love the way this one looks...
(http://www.pembleton.co.uk/PMC/IMAG003A.JPG)
Quote from: SVT666 on July 29, 2014, 07:44:50 PM
The Morgan foes nothing for me.
I like the WW2 styling, and the all the fun at legal speeds.
I also dig the Morgan.
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 29, 2014, 07:54:44 PM
Love the way this on looks...
(http://www.pembleton.co.uk/PMC/IMAG003A.JPG)
Me too. The Brooklands would be fun to build with a BMW cycle engine.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 29, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
Yeah, it's a little out there. I'm hoping it'll grow on me because I do like the package and the fun factor of it all. My tastes are more towards the Lotus 7 and the Morgan Trike. The former I get to build and is doable for the same money, but the latter is Corvette money, and sadly out of the question. As it is, the Slingshot is terrific for someone wanting this type of vehicle from the factory, able to finance and with full warranty. It's great to have this choice and I applaud Polaris for doing it.
My other concern for this is that if trikes of this type get too popular, we could all of a sudden find this legal loophole for fun and affordable vehicles closed.
It may be a silly exemption, but it's one we have.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 29, 2014, 08:01:27 PM
I like the WW2 styling, and the all the fun at legal speeds.
These are more my style:
(http://frasercars.typepad.com/.a/6a011168a7baec970c0120a64fe35b970b-pi)
(https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ffrsummitmk4.jpg)
(http://www.ffcars.com/photopost/data/500/Done.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on July 29, 2014, 09:31:38 PM
These are more my style:
(http://frasercars.typepad.com/.a/6a011168a7baec970c0120a64fe35b970b-pi)
(https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ffrsummitmk4.jpg)
(http://www.ffcars.com/photopost/data/500/Done.jpg)
I love those as well. For decades I've had a serious urge to acquire a Super 7. Any car guy who doesn't get a bit giddy over a Cobra or a Daytona Coupe is dead inside.
My biggest problem is I don't know which one I'd pick. Probably a 7 or Coupe, since Cobras are pretty popular.
(http://www.slingshotforums.com/attachments/polaris-slingshot-texas-delay1-jpg.2166/)
Ouch.
I've been seeing one of these around town locally. Looks "neat", that's about it. For the same money I'd buy a new miata, probably be alot closer performance wise then some think.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 12, 2014, 12:34:41 PM
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Just add a 4th wheel already
Quote from: r0tor on November 12, 2014, 06:00:11 PM
Just add a 4th wheel already
Then it would be subject to crippling and expensive regulations.
Would be a fun toy. If I could get one for the same price as a motorcycle, then I would maybe consider it.
(http://i.imgur.com/EBRLQ0I.jpg)
The Polaris Slingshot will not be legally registered in Ontario. In fact, only 3 Provinces will allow it... BC, AB and QC. :lockedup:
Quote from: hotrodalex on November 12, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
Would be a fun toy. If I could get one for the same price as a motorcycle, then I would maybe consider it.
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Yes, I'm sure many people would consider getting something with many more features for the price of a cheaper vehicle as well.
Quote from: thecarnut on November 16, 2014, 07:31:26 PM
Yes, I'm sure many people would consider getting something with many more features for the price of a cheaper vehicle as well.
Depending on the price, it could be a good deal :lol:
Quote from: MrH on November 16, 2014, 07:33:16 PM
Depending on the price, it could be a good deal :lol:
:rage:
I MEANT TO SAY MILES
:cry:
:lol:
Polaris is so so so so so so so so ugly
Looks like a bagged Silverado with the front fenders removed and the roof chopped attached to a stretched motorcycle
I would be down for a no frills, high po (300 HP/ton), open 2 seater but the shit would have to be like 15K max, like 2000 lbs max
Quote from: thecarnut on November 16, 2014, 07:31:26 PM
Yes, I'm sure many people would consider getting something with many more features for the price of a cheaper vehicle as well.
Ha, Polaris profit margins are FAT. It could be a lot cheaper.
I'm still trying to figure out why Polaris thought it was a good idea to build this thing around a mediocre car powertrain instead of using a motorcycle powertrain like most similar vehicles. Did they get a screaming deal on leftover 2.4L EcoTec motors and Colorado transmissions from GM?
Quote from: MX793 on November 16, 2014, 08:45:54 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why Polaris thought it was a good idea to build this thing around a mediocre car powertrain instead of using a motorcycle powertrain like most similar vehicles. Did they get a screaming deal on leftover 2.4L EcoTec motors and Colorado transmissions from GM?
Probably the cheapest motor they could find. Also I'm sure this was never meant for the true enthusiast market. They built this for the guy who just likes toys. The type of guy that will spend 17 grand on a glorified 4 wheeler (those razr things). It's just another overpriced piece to show all his buddies and probably never even use even a tenth of the vehicles potential.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 16, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
Polaris is so so so so so so so so ugly
Looks like a bagged Silverado with the front fenders removed and the roof chopped attached to a stretched motorcycle
I would be down for a no frills, high po (300 HP/ton), open 2 seater but the shit would have to be like 15K max, like 2000 lbs max
I was going to ask what the heck you were smoking with the Silverado comment, but then I scrolled up and now I can kind of see it. :mask:
It ain't pretty.