We've had a few threads about autonomous cars, so this got my attention earlier this week.
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Monday it is taking a first step toward requiring that future cars and light trucks be equipped with technology that enables them to warn each other of potential danger in time to avoid collisions.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/08/18/nhtsa-car-to-car-communication-warning-technology/14243959/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/08/18/nhtsa-car-to-car-communication-warning-technology/14243959/)
Yay. Let's make drivers and people in general even dumber and less able to assess risk for themselves. Fuck, we're doomed as a race.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 22, 2014, 12:17:49 PM
Yay. Let's make drivers and people in general even dumber and less able to assess risk for themselves. Fuck, we're doomed as a race.
Considering that car accidents kill a lot more people than most other causes, why not do this? It's just another step forward IMO.
One more reason to not pay attention.
Ok, what happens when I'm driving an older car? Does it not inform the texting bimbette in the next lane that she's about to hit me?
Good future advancement. People who have the newer technology will be at a safety advantage compared with those who don't. Just like anything in terms of safety innovation. Every year I hear about a zero visibility fog which suddenly envelopes a mile stretch of a highway and there's a 50 car pile up with 10 deaths. Or a trucker who falls asleep and pancakes a car in front of him. If truckers were required to have this, it would be awesome.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 22, 2014, 12:17:49 PM
Yay. Let's make drivers and people in general even dumber and less able to assess risk for themselves. Fuck, we're doomed as a race.
+1
We are doing a serious disservice to any future drivers. One more reason to sit on your cell phones texting while driving, or whatever else it is that people do instead of driving. All of the tech in the world isn't going to stop the bottom ten percent of drivers the just don't give enough of a shit to either pay attention or use good judgement.
I don't supposed insurance rates will plummet because of this new handy tech.....
If this leads to cars moving off simultaneously on green lights or even does away with traffic lights altogether, I'm interested.
Quote from: Morris Minor on August 25, 2014, 08:04:36 AM
If this leads to cars moving off simultaneously on green lights or even does away with traffic lights altogether, I'm interested.
That's way far off.
Any autonomous system is going to have to be able to deal with other traffic with or without transponders. Even if if 100% of the cars out there have them, that will still be the case simply for Failsafe purposes.
At this point in time, transponder locating would be a redundant feature for a primary system that doesn't even exist yet.
I'm looking forward to increased automation in cars. No amount of driver's training or punitive charges will make a serial drunk driver or texter give a fuck. I trust an OEM more than the worst humanity has to offer.
Plus if a drunk driver is barreling through the green light I'm about to drive through, wouldn't be bad to get a heads up. I don't understand what folks are complaining about.
This is an awful idea - more government is never a good thing.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 25, 2014, 01:24:22 PM
This is an awful idea - more government is never a good thing.
Form your own country
You trust GM?
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 25, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
You trust GM?
Sure, more than teenagers, drunks and blind octogenarians
I want to see a common standard: a communications protocol that's open, extensible & scalable. And, sorry 'bout this Cougs, mandatory.
Quote from: Morris Minor on August 25, 2014, 09:08:36 PM
I want to see a common standard: a communications protocol that's open, extensible & scalable. And, sorry 'bout this Cougs, mandatory.
Put Al Gore on it. The internet seems to work ok
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 25, 2014, 12:57:56 PM
I'm looking forward to increased automation in cars. No amount of driver's training or punitive charges will make a serial drunk driver or texter give a fuck. I trust an OEM more than the worst humanity has to offer.
Plus if a drunk driver is barreling through the green light I'm about to drive through, wouldn't be bad to get a heads up. I don't understand what folks are complaining about.
It seems premature, that's all. We're years away from any system that could actually utilize such a standard.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 26, 2014, 05:00:24 AM
It seems premature, that's all. We're years away from any system that could actually utilize such a standard.
They will kick the ball down the field when the time comes. They just want to get things rolling.
It doesn't have to all happen at once. Just define the standard, & use it to start off with the simple stuff. Baby steps.
It would seem that the technology is already available for an application of this system if it were only to warn of potential problems. It's not as if they want the vehicle to take over from the driver to avoid a collision.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 26, 2014, 06:04:48 AM
They will kick the ball down the field when the time comes. They just want to get things rolling.
And there's a very high possibility that whatever standard adopted now will be inadequate and obsolete before there's anything capable of really using it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 26, 2014, 06:19:04 AM
And there's a very high possibility that whatever standard adopted now will be inadequate and obsolete before there's anything capable of really using it.
Depends on the specific requirement. If it's only to warn of impending collision then it should be pretty straight forward.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 06:24:42 AM
Depends on the specific requirement. If it's only to warn of impending collision then it should be pretty straight forward.
Not at all.
Any such safety system will bring with it lots of potential liability should it fail to work; and that's on regular cars. Start using it for a system robust enough to work with autonomous cars, and you're asking for serious redundancy
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 26, 2014, 06:31:08 AM
Not at all.
Any such safety system will bring with it lots of potential liability should it fail to work; and that's on regular cars. Start using it for a system robust enough to work with autonomous cars, and you're asking for serious redundancy
Will make for an interesting application none-the-less. Should be okay as long as Toyota doesn't lead the way. They might have vehicles accelerating into each other :lol:.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 06:34:19 AM
Will make for an interesting application none-the-less. Should be okay as long as Toyota doesn't lead the way. They might have vehicles accelerating into each other :lol:.
I don't know that we should be asking all car buyers to be footing the bill for yet another mandatory feature on their cars until we're entirely sure what we're supposed to be doing with it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 26, 2014, 06:40:26 AM
I don't know that we should be asking all car buyers to be footing the bill for yet another mandatory feature on their cars until we're entirely sure what we're supposed to be doing with it.
Do safety features sell cars? If that's the case, then the manufacturers should foot the bill.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 06:44:40 AM
Do safety features sell cars? If that's the case, then the manufacturers should foot the bill.
Then why do we need legislation to make it mandatory?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 26, 2014, 06:47:19 AM
Then why do we need legislation to make it mandatory?
When things make sense and the technology is available then it would seem that most would be in favour of it. However, that is not how many view it.
Look at things like active cruise control, or lane departure warnings, or even experimental things like the google car. They're happening, not because of legal mandates, but because they sell cars; because people want them.
Cars are getting more and more autonomous just fine without being legally required to; and I think that's the model we should follow goin forward.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 26, 2014, 07:02:10 AM
Look at things like active cruise control, or lane departure warnings, or even experimental things like the google car. They're happening, not because of legal mandates, but because they sell cars; because people want them.
Cars are getting more and more autonomous just fine without being legally required to; and I think that's the model we should follow goin forward.
True. I don't see this as been much different...cars talking to each other. If traffic lights are part the conversation, then I can see government involvement.
Government regulation of the auto industry has already cost unnecessary lives and this would be no different. And lol if people think that this wouldn't be used to tax and regulate citizens' travel.
People by and large don't die in car crashes owing to real-time preventable situation. People typically die when people choose to do really bad things - drunk driving wrong way on the freeway, kids racing on back roads, etc.
The answer is to let the market decide what it wants in the combo of safety, mpg, performance, styling, size, etc.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 26, 2014, 10:17:36 AM
Government regulation of the auto industry has already cost unnecessary lives and this would be no different. And lol if people think that this wouldn't be used to tax and regulate citizens' travel.
People by and large don't die in car crashes owing to real-time preventable situation. People typically die when people choose to do really bad things - drunk driving wrong way on the freeway, kids racing on back roads, etc.
The answer is to let the market decide what it wants in the combo of safety, mpg, performance, styling, size, etc.
WTF are you talking about? Government regulation has saved more lives than it has cost.
And there's no free market solution to things like air pollution. Why would I buy a car with a catalytic converter on my own free will?
I was kinda kidding around with my internet joke but I'm also serious-
The internet was designed for scalability, the government didn't have as much hand in creation as did the researchers/geeks. It's worked out for 20+ years and the framework is laid for the next version, when we need it.
Do the same with this.
Quote from: Morris Minor on August 22, 2014, 12:12:25 PM
We've had a few threads about autonomous cars, so this got my attention earlier this week.
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Monday it is taking a first step toward requiring that future cars and light trucks be equipped with technology that enables them to warn each other of potential danger in time to avoid collisions.
More...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/08/18/nhtsa-car-to-car-communication-warning-technology/14243959/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/08/18/nhtsa-car-to-car-communication-warning-technology/14243959/)
(http://i.imgur.com/pIgpqd7.jpg)
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 26, 2014, 11:09:24 AM
WTF are you talking about? Government regulation has saved more lives than it has cost.
And there's no free market solution to things like air pollution. Why would I buy a car with a catalytic converter on my own free will?
Regulation adds cost which results in fewer new cars being purchased which means more total injuries and death on the roadways.
So how is government benevolent but the free market isn't? That is not a logical claim. Both are collections of people save that one gets to hide behind the barrel of a gun.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 26, 2014, 04:33:36 PM
Regulation adds cost which results in fewer new cars being purchased which means more total injuries and death on the roadways.
So how is government benevolent but the free market isn't? That is not a logical claim. Both are collections of people save that one gets to hide behind the barrel of a gun.
Whew, you've got quite the imagination! :lol: I think that's a bit of a stretch.
For the record, I think people should be able to buy "unsafe" cars like Ariel Atoms provided they are made aware of the risk.