The parking lot at my office is large and empty when I arrive each morning. There are several stop signs at various points - which I usually ignore.
Are traffic laws enforced on private property? Just curious, because the other day a town cruiser was sitting near the entrance to the building as I blew thru a stop sign.
At least not in TX.
Parking lots, private property or not, still fall under "roads", and are subject to enforcement here.
I still remember a news story about a year ago where one car in a parking lot got creamed as it was pulling out of a row and into a traffic lane (within the parking lot). Common sense says the guy (going faster) in the lane has the right of way, but he didn't: guy coming out of the row was to his right. Guy in the lane got nailed with a hefty fine for failing to yield the right of way.
It's really no different than any other crime. You couldn't kick the shit out of someone and weasel out of an assault charge because it was on private property, could you?
'Bout the only thing they can't hit you with is a speeding ticket. No speed limits of course. But they do have the discretion to give you a ticket for driving too fast for the conditions, which is in the neighbourhood of 35-40 mph even in the best of weather conditions and emptiest of lots.
It's all up to the officer. Chances are that in a wide open, empty lot, early in the morning, he's not going to give a shit whether you rolled through a stop sign.
Just remember that sign is there for your benefit. You'll be glad it's there should you ever have heavy traffic in the lot.
What about donuts in snowy, deserted parking lots?
Then usually people aren't there to catch you!
QuoteWhat about donuts in snowy, deserted parking lots?
I've seen people hassled by cops for doing that. I had stopped just as the cops pulled in. I looked so "innocent." ;) Another kid wasnt so lucky. He was doing donuts so fast that he didn't even see the cop coming.
QuoteWhat about donuts in snowy, deserted parking lots?
A guy on another board I visit was ticketed for doing donuts in a parking lot. But he was at college and the ticket was issued by campus police.
I was doing donuts at a mall a couple of years ago when I saw the mall security truck headed my way. There was no way I could get out of there (truck with snow tires vs RWD car with all seasons and the lot was surrounded by tall curb with limited access) so I just waited for him to show up and tell me to leave. The window rolls down on the truck and the security guard turns out to be a friend of mine. He's like "hey, I thought that looked like your car". Then he started doing donuts. So that was pretty cool.
I was doing them once in the E320 with my friend Zach, and then we saw a cop, and I let off the gas and halted. I was facing the coppers--they slowed down, and then went off.
There are some laws that are enforcable such as operating to endanger, reckless operation and OUI. However, civil infractions such as stop signs are not since a parking lot is not a public way. Of course the stop sign at the intersection with the public way is enforcable. How insurance companies interpret these thing is up to them, but I'd think if you ran the stop sign in the lot and got into a collision, you'll be held responsible.
A guy I know was once given a reckless driving ticket for doing donuts in a parking lot. The lot may have been a school lot, and therefore considered public rather than private property.
QuoteA guy I know was once given a reckless driving ticket for doing donuts in a parking lot. The lot may have been a school lot, and therefore considered public rather than private property.
As I said, reckless operation is a criminal charge and different from a civil infraction.
QuoteQuoteA guy I know was once given a reckless driving ticket for doing donuts in a parking lot. The lot may have been a school lot, and therefore considered public rather than private property.
As I said, reckless operation is a criminal charge and different from a civil infraction.
Yes, I know you're right. To be honest, I'm not sure of the details of the case I mentioned. I heard the story a long time ago, but the guy said his license was revoked for 6 months because of it. He had an abysmal driving record as a recall, and a habit of "forgetting" to respond to the many tickets he got, so he probably wasn't a candidate for leniency in any case.
QuoteQuoteQuoteA guy I know was once given a reckless driving ticket for doing donuts in a parking lot.? The lot may have been a school lot, and therefore considered public rather than private property.
As I said, reckless operation is a criminal charge and different from a civil infraction.
Yes, I know you're right. To be honest, I'm not sure of the details of the case I mentioned. I heard the story a long time ago, but the guy said his license was revoked for 6 months because of it. He had an abysmal driving record as a recall, and a habit of "forgetting" to respond to the many tickets he got, so he probably wasn't a candidate for leniency in any case.
Without looking at the books there is a distinction between a public way and a way that allows public access. It gets confusing that's why we carry books in the car with us. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA guy I know was once given a reckless driving ticket for doing donuts in a parking lot.? The lot may have been a school lot, and therefore considered public rather than private property.
As I said, reckless operation is a criminal charge and different from a civil infraction.
Yes, I know you're right. To be honest, I'm not sure of the details of the case I mentioned. I heard the story a long time ago, but the guy said his license was revoked for 6 months because of it. He had an abysmal driving record as a recall, and a habit of "forgetting" to respond to the many tickets he got, so he probably wasn't a candidate for leniency in any case.
Without looking at the books there is a distinction between a public way and a way that allows public access. It gets confusing that's why we carry books in the car with us. ;)
Well man, it's been a while since I've done donuts, so I'm not too worried about the distinction. :lol:
The last time I did donuts was about 5 years ago. There had been a slush storm over a holiday weekend followed by a deep freeze. Since the lot where I then parked my car hadn't been used over the weekend before the freeze, it was a sheet of perfectly smooth ice. I arrived home late, after the other cars were gone, so there was nothing I could hit. Under the perfect combination of circumstances, I just couldn't resist the urge to do some donuts, and it was great fun. I don't envision doing it again any time soon though; it's not often that the right circumstances come along, and I'm not about to go looking for them.
Catman, I haven't forgotten our plans to get together when my schedule (and yours) lightens a bit. Things are tough for me at work until the end of January, but maybe after that I could swing up and say hello.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA guy I know was once given a reckless driving ticket for doing donuts in a parking lot.? The lot may have been a school lot, and therefore considered public rather than private property.
As I said, reckless operation is a criminal charge and different from a civil infraction.
Yes, I know you're right. To be honest, I'm not sure of the details of the case I mentioned. I heard the story a long time ago, but the guy said his license was revoked for 6 months because of it. He had an abysmal driving record as a recall, and a habit of "forgetting" to respond to the many tickets he got, so he probably wasn't a candidate for leniency in any case.
Without looking at the books there is a distinction between a public way and a way that allows public access. It gets confusing that's why we carry books in the car with us. ;)
Well man, it's been a while since I've done donuts, so I'm not too worried about the distinction. :lol:
The last time I did donuts was about 5 years ago. There had been a slush storm over a holiday weekend followed by a deep freeze. Since the lot where I then parked my car hadn't been used over the weekend before the freeze, it was a sheet of perfectly smooth ice. I arrived home late, after the other cars were gone, so there was nothing I could hit. Under the perfect combination of circumstances, I just couldn't resist the urge to do some donuts, and it was great fun. I don't envision doing it again any time soon though; it's not often that the right circumstances come along, and I'm not about to go looking for them.
Catman, I haven't forgotten our plans to get together when my schedule (and yours) lightens a bit. Things are tough for me at work until the end of January, but maybe after that I could swing up and say hello.
NP, let me know when you get the time. ;)
QuoteQuote from: dazzleman,Dec 9 2005, 09:11 PM
NP, let me know when you get the time. ;)
Will do, buddy. And in the meantime, have a great holiday, man.
QuoteQuote from: Catman,Dec 9 2005, 10:27 PMQuote from: dazzleman,Dec 9 2005, 09:11 PM
NP, let me know when you get the time. ;)
Will do, buddy. And in the meantime, have a great holiday, man.
Same to you Dazzle. :rockon:
QuoteIt's really no different than any other crime. You couldn't kick the shit out of someone and weasel out of an assault charge because it was on private property, could you?
Actually you're comparing a Criminal Code offence to a provincial or municipal law. The Criminal Code (assault) applies pretty much everywhere except for a few certain offences. Provincial and municipal laws generally do not apply to private property however having said that, they do vary from Province to Province so there's a good chance that Alberta's is different than Ontario's. In Ontario stop signs and such are not enforceable on private property unless the person is driving in such an unsafe manner that you could charge them with Dangerous Driving, which is a criminal offence and applicable anywhere.
QuoteQuoteIt's really no different than any other crime. You couldn't kick the shit out of someone and weasel out of an assault charge because it was on private property, could you?
Actually you're comparing a Criminal Code offence to a provincial or municipal law. The Criminal Code (assault) applies pretty much everywhere except for a few certain offences. Provincial and municipal laws generally do not apply to private property however having said that, they do vary from Province to Province so there's a good chance that Alberta's is different than Ontario's. In Ontario stop signs and such are not enforceable on private property unless the person is driving in such an unsafe manner that you could charge them with Dangerous Driving, which is a criminal offence and applicable anywhere.
Fnny how similiar laws are between US and Canada.
QuoteThere are some laws that are enforcable such as operating to endanger, reckless operation and OUI. However, civil infractions such as stop signs are not since a parking lot is not a public way. Of course the stop sign at the intersection with the public way is enforcable. How insurance companies interpret these thing is up to them, but I'd think if you ran the stop sign in the lot and got into a collision, you'll be held responsible.
It should be noted that state vehicle and traffic law can be extended to private property through passage of a local law, at least in my state.
Catman... While we're on the topic.
What do you think a normal cop would do if he caught you doing donuts in an empty snowy parking lot?
I'd think a normal cop would lecture you, get yer info, and let you off. Unless you had a less than good driving record, *cough*Faris*cough*.
QuoteCatman... While we're on the topic.
What do you think a normal cop would do if he caught you doing donuts in an empty snowy parking lot?
It depends what the empty parking lot belongs to. I'm at work right now. My patrol is parked in the front, by partner is on the road. Both of our POV cars are in the garage. If you were to do doughnuts in our parking lot- you'ld get shot at!!!! :lol: J/K but you would def. get reckless and jailed and towed. If you were to do it anywhere that is a public lot, i.e. school, court, jail, city building etc. you would likely get the whole sha-bang. In a privately owned lot, where it is likely safe, lecture and be on your way.
In Michigan all traffic laws are enforceable where the parking lot is "open to the public". Meaning, if it a Walmart lot you can be ticketed for anything BUT running a stop sign. THe only way we can write you for that is if the stop sign is registered with the county road commission. Everything else is fair game. :pullover: :pullover:
Now, if you were EATING doughnuts- well that's a different story altogether!
QuoteI'd think a normal cop would lecture you, get yer info, and let you off. Unless you had a less than good driving record, *cough*Faris*cough*.
Somehow I doubt a cop will care too much about a conviction for failing to signal. :lol:
I have been lectured for doing donoughts in our town beach's parking lot. I have also not been approached. Once the cop just drove in and sat there while I meekly drove away... However, now I have heard of people getting more stern punishments. A guy I went to school with rolled his Camaro last year and killed himself doing those, so the town has stepped up enforcement on that as a result. I think it varies town to town. Check and see if anything might have happened that would encourage harsher penalties.
Speaking of parking lots, on Saturday night i'm in my car with my friend Niki and my friend is in his Daewoo with our friend Joy. We are just leaving Chili's restaraunt which is at the mall. He rolls down his window and says, 'I'll race you." He takes off and with two girls watching there is no way I'm going to get embarrassed by a Daewoo that has the power of a lawn mower. He has a head start and is going around the outside of the parking lot where cars are supposed to go. The mall had been closed for almost 3 hours so there was no cars and I decided to cut through the middle. I had to keep turning to the left and had plenty of understeer and my tires where begging for mercy. I cut out between two cement islands onto the outside just ahead of my friend and just in time to nearly push into my ABS in time for a stop sign. Just as i'm almost to a stop i hear Niki say, "Oh, no!" I looked up and no more than 50yards ahead of me is a cruiser sitting in the parking lot. I came to a complete stop and slowly turned right. As I came to a rest at the red light just before the public road I see the officer begin to move. I thought I was dead for sure but when the light turned green I turned right and the officer turned left. It was a close one and I seriously have no idea why I wasnt pulled over.
QuoteSpeaking of parking lots, on Saturday night i'm in my car with my friend Niki and my friend is in his Daewoo with our friend Joy. We are just leaving Chili's restaraunt which is at the mall. He rolls down his window and says, 'I'll race you." He takes off and with two girls watching there is no way I'm going to get embarrassed by a Daewoo that has the power of a lawn mower. He has a head start and is going around the outside of the parking lot where cars are supposed to go. The mall had been closed for almost 3 hours so there was no cars and I decided to cut through the middle. I had to keep turning to the left and had plenty of understeer and my tires where begging for mercy. I cut out between two cement islands onto the outside just ahead of my friend and just in time to nearly push into my ABS in time for a stop sign. Just as i'm almost to a stop i hear Niki say, "Oh, no!" I looked up and no more than 50yards ahead of me is a cruiser sitting in the parking lot. I came to a complete stop and slowly turned right. As I came to a rest at the red light just before the public road I see the officer begin to move. I thought I was dead for sure but when the light turned green I turned right and the officer turned left. It was a close one and I seriously have no idea why I wasnt pulled over.
Been there, done that. When I was a kid just out of High School I had a Mustang SVO. I was in the parking lot of the mall when my friends goaded me into doing some D-nuts. As I went from 1st to 2nd and then to 3rd I decided that 14 or 20 times around was enough! I had even done a few figure-8's. The parking lot was FILLED with smoke. Just as I brought 'er to a stop a patrol car pulled in, gave me the worst evil eye; stpped and I assume ran my plate and me, sat there a moment giving me the evil eye. I wasn't going to take that shit from him. So -- I left very slowly.
Wow... I would have thought that would get someone into deep shit.
Guess I was wrong.
Doing donuts in an EMPTY parking lot will get you stopped and checked to see if you've been drinking. I'd run your plates and your licence to see if you're a bad boy. If all checks out, a quick lecture later and you'll be on your way.
Doing donuts in a BUSY parking lot is another story.
All the girls and most of the guys I know would be a lot more impressed if I just let the other guy be an idiot.
QuoteQuoteCatman... While we're on the topic.
What do you think a normal cop would do if he caught you doing donuts in an empty snowy parking lot?
It depends what the empty parking lot belongs to. I'm at work right now. My patrol is parked in the front, by partner is on the road. Both of our POV cars are in the garage. If you were to do doughnuts in our parking lot- you'ld get shot at!!!! :lol: J/K but you would def. get reckless and jailed and towed. If you were to do it anywhere that is a public lot, i.e. school, court, jail, city building etc. you would likely get the whole sha-bang. In a privately owned lot, where it is likely safe, lecture and be on your way.
In Michigan all traffic laws are enforceable where the parking lot is "open to the public". Meaning, if it a Walmart lot you can be ticketed for anything BUT running a stop sign. THe only way we can write you for that is if the stop sign is registered with the county road commission. Everything else is fair game. :pullover: :pullover:
Now, if you were EATING doughnuts- well that's a different story altogether!
Whoah. I'm in Michigan. I hate Wal-Mart. Looks like I might be causing some mayhem at Wal-Mart just for the fun of it! :ph34r: :D :thumbsup: