My Enclave is depressingly going to go. 2009 model with 115,000 miles on it. Lately a few things have been getting annoying with it (a few coils went bad, catalytic converter went bad, a few other things - nothing major) but I don't feel very secure with it driving long interstate distances with the family. I've been shopping it around to various dealers and I'll get $10,000 for it. I feel good about that.
My wife wants a 3 row SUV and she wants the luxury stuff. She test drove the Infiniti QX60 and liked it but not enamored by it. She test drove the QX80 and loved it but I don't want to spend that much and at that price point there's better stuff out there in my opinion. Plus it's probably too big to fit in our garage. The "wasteful" aspect of daily driving such a big car I honestly don't care so much about. Having a big ass house is wasteful yet people don't frown upon liberals with big ass houses so... whatever. Don't want to make this a political discussion anyways. She test drove the Lincoln MKT, which I think looks pretty good, and she really liked the drive and isolation but felt it was a station wagon and not an SUV.
I'm trying to sway her away from the Audi Q7 and MB GL because of ridiculously high costs associated with owning German luxury cars. Plus they're too expensive and I'd have to go certified which is something I'd rather not do. Same with the Land Rover LR4 which has atrocious reliability on top of all that.
Regarding the Acura MDX, I know it wins all the comparisons in car mags but sportiness/handling isn't a big factor me. Space, luxury feel, and isolation is what I'm looking for in this car. The Enclave was awesome for what I was looking for.
We were looking online at the Dodge Durango. The car looks pretty sweet, both interior and exterior, at least online. Very macho but not over the top butch. Any thoughts on this car? The "Dodge" nameplate for her is a minus but if she likes the drive, I think she'll go for it.
Durango is good, it's basically a long Grand Cherokee.
What about a new Traverse? The facelift bumped the interior up several notches and refined the 3.6/6AT combo
The Durango is the one I would buy if I was in the market tight now. But if you think the QX80 is too big, then so is the Durango.
Unless it's bigger than you want, how about one of the new Yukon/Tahoes? Get it loaded up & it should have what you're looking for.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 23, 2015, 09:15:37 AM
The Durango is the one I would buy if I was in the market tight now. But if you think the QX80 is too big, then so is the Durango.
The Infiniti is seven inches longer, four inches wider, and four inches taller than the Durango. Meanwhile, the Durango is smaller than an Enclave in most dimensions except for being two inches taller.
The Durango seems like a good choice; the Ford Explorer would work too if the Durango is the only mainstream-badged car that would get a waiver. If you haven't driven the new MDX (I haven't either) it sounds like it's more focused on quietness over handling than the last model, so maybe it would fit your needs better. And are you considering another Enclave, with the updates it's received since yours?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 23, 2015, 09:06:33 AM
Durango is good, it's basically a long Grand Cherokee.
What about a new Traverse? The facelift bumped the interior up several notches and refined the 3.6/6AT combo
Quote from: SVT666 on March 23, 2015, 09:15:37 AM
The Durango is the one I would buy if I was in the market tight now. But if you think the QX80 is too big, then so is the Durango.
Quote from: Morris Minor on March 23, 2015, 09:21:24 AM
Unless it's bigger than you want, how about one of the new Yukon/Tahoes? Get it loaded up & it should have what you're looking for.
Thanks!! and much appreciate the replies.
Can't go from an Enclave to a Traverse. Wifey in no way would go for it. Might as well go for the new Enclave but need to change it up for the sake of change.
Since my wife wants all the luxury stuff like leather, sunroof, electronic doodads, would have to go certified rather than new for the Yukon/Tahoe. It's definitely an option especially for the last generation model since the new generation just came out and I might be able to get a decent deal. Also like the Infiniti QX80, not sure if it will fit in the garage. It is something to explore though.
I was under the impression the Durango is smaller in height and width than Infiniti QX80/Tahoe type SUVs?
Didn't see your post ifcar. Thanks! You're an encyclopedia man.
Quote from: veeman on March 23, 2015, 09:44:55 AM
Didn't see your post ifcar. Thanks! You're an encyclopedia man.
Haha, I just looked it up. I don't have the specs memorized; I just had the same instinct you did about their sizes and looked it up to verify.
Slightly off-topic, I'm pretty sure dealer "certification" is bullcrap and if I went that route (let's say for a < 15,000 mile prior generation Yukon Denali), should I try to get it checked out by an independent mechanic before purchasing. Just to make sure. Would a dealer let me or would they get all bent out of shape because I'm calling bullcrap on their "certification" process?
Huh. I thought the Durango was a full size SUV now. That's good to know. I want it even more now.
Quote from: veeman on March 23, 2015, 10:08:28 AM
Slightly off-topic, I'm pretty sure dealer "certification" is bullcrap and if I went that route (let's say for a < 15,000 mile prior generation Yukon Denali), should I try to get it checked out by an independent mechanic before purchasing. Just to make sure. Would a dealer let me or would they get all bent out of shape because I'm calling bullcrap on their "certification" process?
Dealer certified or factory certified? Factory backed CPO programs (like GM Certified or BMW Certified) generally come with a good warranty. Sometimes as long and comprehensive as a new car warranty. Because of the warranty, they have a vested interest in making sure that vehicle is in tip-top shape.
Quote from: MX793 on March 23, 2015, 10:39:58 AM
Dealer certified or factory certified? Factory backed CPO programs (like GM Certified or BMW Certified) generally come with a good warranty. Sometimes as long and comprehensive as a new car warranty. Because of the warranty, they have a vested interest in making sure that vehicle is in tip-top shape.
Hmmm. Didn't realize there were different "certifications" for "certified" cars. Very interesting. Will have to do some googling on this...
Generally, any CPO car sold from a dealer that sells new cars will be factory certified. So if your local Honda dealer has a certified Accord on the lot, that's almost certainly a Honda factory certified car. I'd be wary of "certified" cars sold at Joe Blow's Cheap Used Car Emporium, or a certified used car from one automaker being sold at the dealership of another (like a certified BMW at a Chevy dealer).
Quote from: veeman on March 23, 2015, 10:08:28 AM
Slightly off-topic, I'm pretty sure dealer "certification" is bullcrap and if I went that route (let's say for a < 15,000 mile prior generation Yukon Denali), should I try to get it checked out by an independent mechanic before purchasing. Just to make sure. Would a dealer let me or would they get all bent out of shape because I'm calling bullcrap on their "certification" process?
Probably not necessary if it's factory certified with a warranty and all that, but it couldn't hurt.
If the dealership has a problem with it, I'd take it as a sign that they don't trust their own certification process. If their certification is as good as they say it is, they should be pretty confident that your mechanic won't find anything wrong.
You can probably get quite a bit of cash on the hood of a Durango Citadel.
Plus V8
Quote from: 68_427 on March 25, 2015, 02:42:07 AM
You can probably get quite a bit of cash on the hood of a Durango Citadel.
Plus V8
I went and looked at it at a dealership yesterday. They didn't have the citadel model but that's the one I'd get. Very nice looking. Good power train warranty (100,000) mile. They also offered the most on my trade in. If we spring for it, I'd get the V6 because the Enclave had plenty of power and never felt it was slow. Also I don't tow and don't foresee getting a boat anytime soon.
If it was up to me, I'd jump on it. Gotta get my wife to test drive it within the next few days. The third row is passable for kids and usually won't be used.
I honestly don't know how she'll feel about it. I'm not pushing her one way or another for any particular car other than avoiding the German ones and Land Rover strictly because of cost of ownership.
Maybe she'll feel like it gives her a badass you better put my kid in the game soccer mom look.
(http://img2.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/844/media/images/2014_Dodge_Durango_Citadel_AWD_1197610.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on March 25, 2015, 06:12:27 AM
Maybe she'll feel like it gives her a badass you better put my kid in the game soccer mom look.
(http://img2.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/844/media/images/2014_Dodge_Durango_Citadel_AWD_1197610.jpg)
+1
The Lincoln MKT looks good too, although a bit hearse like. She felt it was a station wagon though. The Infiniti QX60 looks fantastic inside. Exterior wise, it's kind of lame looking and doesn't have any presence. Maybe that's a bit harsh... it's just O.K.
Just an update. My wife test drove the Infiniti QX60, QX80, Lincoln MKT, Ford Expedition, and Acura MDX. The only one she really liked was the QX80. I know a lot of people on this forum hate that car but I like it. If a hotrod and a semitruck had a kid, it would look like the QX80.
New ones go for around 70 grand, one year old certified ones with 15,000 miles go for around 60 grand, and 3 year old (QX56) certified ones with 40,000 miles go for around 45 grand (at least that's what the list price is on autotrader).
I for one love the QX80. Road presence out the ass.
No Durango?
Quote from: ifcar on April 03, 2015, 08:27:07 AM
No Durango?
She told me she felt the Infiniti QX60 and Acura MDX were too small so I didn't bother having her test drive the Durango. We go on several long interstate drives a year and she wants to stretch out like in a first class airline seat and also sit in the back and watch movies with the kids. She also doesn't want a minivan. Yeah, 90% of the time she'll be driving it alone to work but I understand where she's coming from. I'm trying to get her to at least test drive the Kia Sedona because I think it looks pretty good but she won't have it.
I was surprised at how small the 3rd row is in Tahoes/Yukons, at least regular length versions. The Ford Expedition has gargantuan space and I really like its understated but classy look. It's interior is subpar for the price.
The QX80 is a monster. I always try to get one as a service loaner but no dice yet.
Quote from: GoCougs on April 03, 2015, 03:15:56 PM
The QX80 is a monster. I always try to get one as a service loaner but no dice yet.
Livin large
Traded in the Enclave. Needed both catalytic converters replaced and flex tube in order to pass emissions.
Picked up a certified 2013 Infiniti QX56 with 20,000 miles on the odometer. Had a very small dent in the front bumper and minor scratches in the back bumper which the dealer agreed to fix. Bought an extended warranty up to 120,000 miles which also covers audio/nav. I know I paid too much for that extended warranty (4 grand) but... I did it anyways.
It came with 22 inch wheels.
Thoughts other than it being huge. Interior/Exterior I think looks great. Ride is real comfy although the Enclave was even a bit softer. Despite how big it is, it's a cinch to park with the surround vision camera.
(http://i.imgur.com/tWNkZUG.jpg)
I've always liked these. Huge road presence.
thanks!
Other than the side ventiports which are lame, I really like the styling.
This surround vision feature is really really good. It superimposes these lines in front or back of you depending on how you have your steering wheel positioned. Love it.
Congrats. Might not be a bad idea on the extended warranty. Those have a really complex but cool anti roll system in them. Keeps the behemoth relatively flat in the corners.
If you don't mind me asking, how much did it run you?
Quote from: MrH on June 25, 2015, 10:20:01 AM
Congrats. Might not be a bad idea on the extended warranty. Those have a really complex but cool anti roll system in them. Keeps the behemoth relatively flat in the corners.
If you don't mind me asking, how much did it run you?
Short answer: $56 thousand.
Long answer: When I did an autotrader search for certified newish QX56/QX80 with < 30 thousand miles, very few came up. When I excluded the color white (I get a young punk vibe when I see this car in white), I hardly saw any. Saw a dark red one which was one year older than mine for 49 thousand but it was sold by the time I called. New this car with the options I got on it is around 78 thousand list. I got 9.5 thousand for my Enclave.
Jesus, that's a huge truck.
QX60 and MDX... too small?!
I have to pass a few dozen QX80s on my way up the parking garage at work. They're just massive...but it's the only Infiniti I'd buy. Good choice,
Quote from: Laconian on June 25, 2015, 01:22:15 PM
QX60 and MDX... too small?!
There is roomy and there is really roomy. Minivan has even more space but... there's a reason luxury makes haven't sold minivans in the U.S. It's a style testosterone thing. At this price point, gas is too cheap here to make much difference and the roads are wide enough here to accommodate the big SUVs. Also high speed handling, better suited to a European luxury wagon than a big SUV, is moot here because the speed limits are kept low and heavily enforced. Also they don't tax the shit out of bigger engines here like they do in Europe.
I was in London for a week in April and rented a Ford Mondeo. That car felt big for London. I could hardly keep it from rubbing up against the curbs. The QX56/QX80 would be a real pain in the ass there.
I would have been O.K with a Kia Sedona but my wife didn't want a minivan. The QX60 and MDX are noticeably smaller than the QX56/QX80. Having ridden in the QX60 and QX80 back to back, the QX80 feels like a much more expensive vehicle. A lot of that has to do with just how much bigger it is. It's like comparing the MB S-class to the MB E-class assuming all of the bells and whistles are equal.
I turned in my QX56 to the dealer about 10 days ago for them to fix the small dent in the front bumper and repaint over small scratches in the front bumper and rear bumper. When I went to buy it, the salesman offered me 350 dollars off list because of the small dent and I said "no"... they would have to fix the small dent and paint over the small scratches. The salesman agreed and it was put into the sales contract. As I was about to drive off the lot, I noticed that two cigarette lighter outlets in the center console area weren't working (I put my cell phone jack into all of the outlets), and I had them include that in the contract as well - that when the dealer did the minor body work they would fix those as well. Those are under warranty anyways but I wanted them to have them working as part of the contract of sale.
So I brought the car back to them two weeks after I bought it and they gave me a G37x loaner. Has about 2,000 miles on it. Having never owned a sporty sedan before, this is a real nice car. Handles awesome and acceleration is great. Last weekend took it on a two hour trip with the family to a water park.
So now my question is - Why haven't they contacted me yet after 10 days? My wife has been driving their nice loaner car for free for 10 days so I almost don't want to call them, but... it's a bit odd.
Quote from: veeman on July 16, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I turned in my QX56 to the dealer about 10 days ago for them to fix the small dent in the front bumper and repaint over small scratches in the front bumper and rear bumper. When I went to buy it, the salesman offered me 350 dollars off list because of the small dent and I said "no"... they would have to fix the small dent and paint over the small scratches. The salesman agreed and it was put into the sales contract. As I was about to drive off the lot, I noticed that two cigarette lighter outlets in the center console area weren't working (I put my cell phone jack into all of the outlets), and I had them include that in the contract as well - that when the dealer did the minor body work they would fix those as well. Those are under warranty anyways but I wanted them to have them working as part of the contract of sale.
So I brought the car back to them two weeks after I bought it and they gave me a G37x loaner. Has about 2,000 miles on it. Having never owned a sporty sedan before, this is a real nice car. Handles awesome and acceleration is great. Last weekend took it on a two hour trip with the family to a water park.
So now my question is - Why haven't they contacted me yet after 10 days? My wife has been driving their nice loaner car for free for 10 days so I almost don't want to call them, but... it's a bit odd.
If there is any painting involved I can see it taking a while. I think it took the dealer about 2 weeks to fix my transmission when it wasn't working (had a Q7 loaner while my car was in the shop).
Quote from: veeman on July 16, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
So now my question is - Why haven't they contacted me yet after 10 days? My wife has been driving their nice loaner car for free for 10 days so I almost don't want to call them, but... it's a bit odd.
loaner doesn't cost them anything really, so unless you show you need it back they might take their sweet time?
Save for maybe the WRX the G37 just might be the last great Japanese car.
Quote from: GoCougs on July 17, 2015, 12:30:53 PM
Save for maybe the WRX the G37 just might be the last great Japanese car.
You like the new WRX that much?
Quote from: MrH on July 17, 2015, 12:48:03 PM
You like the new WRX that much?
No, not really. I mean, it's okay, but I'm too grumpy now to put up with that ride and road noise. I just recognize that it has an enthusiastic following and it's still produced.
Quote from: GoCougs on July 17, 2015, 09:29:31 PM
I just recognize that it has an enthusiastic following and it's still produced.
The Miata doesn't count?
You heathen :heated:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 17, 2015, 09:51:56 PM
The Miata doesn't count?
You heathen :heated:
No, cars only count if they're fun to drive on paper.
Just read the thread, i find it odd you never looked at any Lexus'.
I think the 56/80s are badass, might be the most truely luxurious vehicle infiniti sells.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 18, 2015, 08:38:14 AM
Just read the thread, i find it odd you never looked at any Lexus'.
I think the 56/80s are badass, might be the most truely luxurious vehicle infiniti sells.
Lexus RX new design I dig. Much smaller than what I was looking for and doesn't have a third row. Lexus GX - I don't really know much about. Hardly ever see any. It's basically a luxed up 4-Runner I thouht. Lexus LX is close to 100 thousand new I thought. Great SUV, as is the Land Cruiser, but more than I wanted to spend. Although I didn't research it, I have a feeling the Land Cruiser/LX doesn't depreciate as much as the Infintis on the certified market.
Yeah, the GX is a lot smaller, and the LX/Land Cruiser has gotten pretty dated. For what you were looking for, I think you got the best of the breed.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 17, 2015, 09:51:56 PM
The Miata doesn't count?
You heathen :heated:
Welp, to be fair, it hasn't been produced for a while, and is only to be restarted later this year.
It's been around longer then the rex and the G
Quote from: GoCougs on July 19, 2015, 07:04:22 AM
Welp, to be fair, it hasn't been produced for a while, and is only to be restarted later this year.
It didn't skip a model year, and the '16s are already well into production and arriving in the U.S.
Quote from: GoCougs on July 19, 2015, 07:04:22 AM
Welp, to be fair, it hasn't been produced for a while, and is only to be restarted later this year.
Lol fair
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 19, 2015, 01:35:10 PM
Lol fair
Wat. They never skipped the 2015 model year.... :confused:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 19, 2015, 07:09:31 AM
It's been around longer then the rex and the G
As much as I've tried I've just never been able to get on the Miata bandwagon. I've never liked convertibles and only in MY2016 has it FINALLY passed the Camcord test (as in, to be considered "great" a so-called performance car has to be at least equal in acceleration to an equivalent year Camcord V6) so perhaps things will change (though we'll see - the Camcords have been rocking the same V6 for almost 10 years now).
Quote from: GoCougs on July 20, 2015, 07:41:23 PM
As much as I've tried I've just never been able to get on the Miata bandwagon. I've never liked convertibles and only in MY2016 has it FINALLY passed the Camcord test (as in, to be considered "great" a so-called performance car has to be at least equal in acceleration to an equivalent year Camcord V6) so perhaps things will change (though we'll see - the Camcords have been rocking the same V6 for almost 10 years now).
Aw mannnn, but you just talked aboot enthusiastic following and that it's still produced 'bout the Rex.
Quote from: GoCougs on July 17, 2015, 09:29:31 PM
I just recognize that it has an enthusiastic following and it's still produced.
And yeah it's slow. But so is a golf cart on a trail in the woods, but both are still a hoot to drive.
Quote from: thecarnut on July 20, 2015, 12:04:22 PM
Wat. They never skipped the 2015 model year.... :confused:
I was LOLing at Cougs' using the word 'fair'..
(he's off his rocker most of the time, including this instance)
Quote from: GoCougs on July 20, 2015, 07:41:23 PM
I've never liked convertibles
go take a nice ride in one.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 21, 2015, 03:15:30 AM
Aw mannnn, but you just talked aboot enthusiastic following and that it's still produced 'bout the Rex.
And yeah it's slow. But so is a golf cart on a trail in the woods, but both are still a hoot to drive.
The Civic coupe has had an enthusiastic following for quite some time too ;).
Got my car back. They fixed the front bumper real nice so that it looks new. I know that cost them a lot more than $350 (what they had originally offered off sales price because of minor dent and scratches). They left the minor scratches on the back bumper corner. After an hour of speaking to a few different people about it, I let it go. It was in the contract of sale but they said they would have to have the entire bumper repainted for the repair to not look more noticeable than it is now. I had a feeling they would do some shit work at the dealership rather than take it back to the body shop if I continued to press them on it, so I let it go. Overall, I'm happy with them and the results. Sad to no longer use their G37X for free.