So my friend just purchased a 2015 Jeep Patriot. Brand new, only 15 miles on the odo. I had to wish him congrats, obviously, but it really was nothing more than a massive lie since its probably the worst car on sale now.
Have you guys had friends/family that bought terrible cars? Did you lie to them and say they weren't?
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I'm pretty honest so I usually just tell people, "that is a piece of shit but good luck".
Quote from: Lebowski on June 02, 2015, 08:49:12 AM
I'm pretty honest so I usually just tell people, "that is a piece of shit but good luck".
:lol:
Honestly, I don't let my close friends buy bad cars.
But yeah, the Patriot is bad. A friend of mine has a Dodge Nitro she got before I knew her. That might be even worse. Just awful.
For people who are close to me I'd ask why the fuck they did that, but I can't think of an instance I've let someone close to me buy a shitty car.
For people who aren't, I just say "cool, good luck", because I don't give a fuck
Telling him "I can't wait to take it mudding" was so hard.
What I'm really curious about, however, was how much he paid for it. Thats what will really make me feel sorry for him and he has gotten screwed at new car purchases before.
One of my coworkers also just bought a new Patriot. I told her congrats and that I'm sure she got a great discount, and that Jeep sure has improved it over the years. There's usually some true compliment to find about any car.
Quote from: ifcar on June 02, 2015, 09:49:46 AM
One of my coworkers also just bought a new Patriot. I told her congrats and that I'm sure she got a great discount, and that Jeep sure has improved it over the years. There's usually some true compliment to find about any car.
It's true. There isn't a truly "bad" car on sale today.
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 02, 2015, 09:51:19 AM
It's true. There isn't a truly "bad" car on sale today.
I disagree
Quote from: 2o6 on June 02, 2015, 11:32:40 AM
I disagree
Comparatively speaking, you're right. I define bad car as something that doesn't break all the time and gets you from point A to point B without drama. The Patriot satisfies that criteria.
Barring statistical anomalies like lemons, I can't think of anything like that which is currently on a showroom floor
Patriots aren't the most reliable things out there
My parents keep disregarding my advice and they keep buying Chevys even though they keep spending thousands of dollars repairing them. Not only do they keep buying Chevys, but they buy the shitty ones. They asked me if they should buy a Pontiac Montana, and I told them in no uncertain terms, "Do not buy a Pontiac Montana". Well, they did and they lived to regret it three exhaust manifolds and multiple electrical issues later.
Then they asked me if they should buy a Trailblazer. I told them no. I told them to look at three other SUVs and they ignored me. My dad couldn't get rid of it fast enough. My dad referred to it as "that piece of shit". It was in the shop a lot with electrical, sensor, and mechanical issues. The gas gauge didn't work for 2 years, the rear hatch mechanism failed so many times the dealership replaced the entire hatch and the mechanisms for the glass only worked once in a while, and the leather was awful. The engine was great though.
Then they bought the Cobalt SS S/C and even though it hasn't had any mechanical issues the car has aged very poorly. The interior is wearing very fast and feels much older than the car actually is. My parents baby their cars, so it's not because of how they treat them.
The only good car they have bought in the past 15 years is the Chevy Tahoe they recently bought. It's been great so far, and I told them to buy it because I actually really like the Tahoe, and besides, they would have bought it anyway.
I really don't understand why people go in on brand new bottom-of-the-ladder cars. If you go looking for cars under 45k miles there are tons and tons of great cars to choose from in the same price range (I found a CR-V, TSX, Jeeps, trucks, Priuses, Silverados, etc for $20k or less averaging under 40k miles in jsut a few minutes) and decent used car financing is pretty easy to get. Why would you go in at the top of the depreciation ladder for tomorrow's crappy claptrap when you can get into a nice (even certified) used car for the same money or less?
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 02, 2015, 09:51:19 AM
It's true. There isn't a truly "bad" car on sale today.
The "new" Mitsubishi Mirage may as well have been the original Aveo's competitor ten years ago.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 02, 2015, 12:21:17 PM
I really don't understand why people go in on brand new bottom-of-the-ladder cars. If you go looking for cars under 45k miles there are tons and tons of great cars to choose from in the same price range (I found a CR-V, TSX, Jeeps, trucks, Priuses, Silverados, etc for $20k or less averaging under 40k miles in jsut a few minutes) and decent used car financing is pretty easy to get. Why would you go in at the top of the depreciation ladder for tomorrow's crappy claptrap when you can get into a nice (even certified) used car for the same money or less?
Because it's so much easier to take a car to The dealership and complain when something goes wrong.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 02, 2015, 12:15:51 PM
Patriots aren't the most reliable things out there
How long does the average person keep a brand new car for? Not that many people keep them until the wheels fall off. In such an instance, they're fine.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 02, 2015, 12:21:17 PM
I really don't understand why people go in on brand new bottom-of-the-ladder cars. If you go looking for cars under 45k miles there are tons and tons of great cars to choose from in the same price range (I found a CR-V, TSX, Jeeps, trucks, Priuses, Silverados, etc for $20k or less averaging under 40k miles in jsut a few minutes) and decent used car financing is pretty easy to get. Why would you go in at the top of the depreciation ladder for tomorrow's crappy claptrap when you can get into a nice (even certified) used car for the same money or less?
Because people don't care. Buying a new car is easy and you have "peace of mind". It's the path of least resistance. And hey, if you don't give a fuck about what you drive as long as it stays out of your way, why not?
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 02, 2015, 12:21:17 PM
I really don't understand why people go in on brand new bottom-of-the-ladder cars. If you go looking for cars under 45k miles there are tons and tons of great cars to choose from in the same price range (I found a CR-V, TSX, Jeeps, trucks, Priuses, Silverados, etc for $20k or less averaging under 40k miles in jsut a few minutes) and decent used car financing is pretty easy to get. Why would you go in at the top of the depreciation ladder for tomorrow's crappy claptrap when you can get into a nice (even certified) used car for the same money or less?
New cars are cheaper to finance, can be leased, and are more flexible to negotiate on- ESPECIALLY if they are POSs. Not to mention the warranties.
For the note I pay on the Civic, if not for the amount of driving I do I probably could have leased a brand new one. If I can pre-buy mileage for cheap I will probably lease the next whip.
I know a couple that just bought a brand new Patriot and Renegade. My lips are sealed.
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 02, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
How long does the average person keep a brand new car for? Not that many people keep them until the wheels fall off. In such an instance, they're fine.
Some new cars suck balls at staying together after they roll off the showroom floor.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 02, 2015, 12:56:00 PM
New cars are cheaper to finance, can be leased, and are more flexible to negotiate on- ESPECIALLY if they are POSs. Not to mention the warranties.
For the note I pay on the Civic, if not for the amount of driving I do I probably could have leased a brand new one. If I can pre-buy mileage for cheap I will probably lease the next whip.
For the price I pay for the Yaris, for not a hell of a lot more, I can have a new Fit.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 02, 2015, 01:19:38 PM
Some new cars suck balls at staying together after they roll off the showroom floor.
Such as?
What's really embarrassing is when you start talking about how awful a car is, at length, only to learn that the person you're talking to just bought said car.
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 02, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
Such as?
Most Chrysler Fiat products.
Repeated trips and visits to the dealers suck; ugh.
I also don't trust the latest crop of BMW GDI Turbo 6cyls; They love using oil. And coolant. And wearing out seals. And wearing out head gaskets.
Not all my friends are into cars, ( mostly trucks, actually), and I don't agree with all of the ones that are.
But I say nothing; i mean, I've made my share of stupid car purchases as well, for reasons that would be hard to explain to them.
I would LOVE to buy a brand-new-car someday, but I won't. It just makes no financial sense.
I had a friend buy a Mercury Topaz from Hertz. Way "newer" than most of us were driving at the time- he knew it was crap but at least he kept it real and said, "oh well, a car is a car"
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on June 02, 2015, 01:49:25 PM
I would LOVE to buy a brand-new-car someday, but I won't. It just makes no financial sense.
I had a friend buy a Mercury Topaz from Hertz. Way "newer" than most of us were driving at the time- he knew it was crap but at least he kept it real and said, "oh well, a car is a car"
Is this the car with the famous burning brakes?
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 02, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
Such as?
Friend's dodge nitro: exterior door handle literally broke and separated from the vehicle just trying to open the door. It's like nothing I've ever seen before :lol:
Quote from: MrH on June 02, 2015, 04:37:53 PM
Friend's dodge nitro: exterior door handle literally broke and separated from the vehicle just trying to open the door. It's like nothing I've ever seen before :lol:
My grandmother's Hyundai Azera had that happen. I don't think something like that rises to the level of making the whole car junk unless issues with falling apart are very common.
Quote from: ifcar on June 02, 2015, 05:47:21 PM
My grandmother's Hyundai Azera had that happen. I don't think something like that rises to the level of making the whole car junk unless issues with falling apart are very common.
That was just one example with the nitro :lol:
Quote from: MrH on June 02, 2015, 08:54:33 AM
:lol:
Honestly, I don't let my close friends buy bad cars.
But yeah, the Patriot is bad. A friend of mine has a Dodge Nitro she got before I knew her. That might be even worse. Just awful.
A guy at work just bought a Patriot. It's very unremarkable inside and out. I remember the interior resonance at idle being deafening.
Quote from: MX793 on June 02, 2015, 01:26:05 PM
What's really embarrassing is when you start talking about how awful a car is, at length, only to learn that the person you're talking to just bought said car.
I did that once. Someone told me that you could get a Chevy Uplander for $18K cause they were blowing them out. I said, "Yeah, but then you're driving a Chevy Uplander. Not only is it shit, it's ugly too." Then he told me he knew they were blowing them out because he bought one that afternoon.
:mask:
You guys sure know a lot of people who are buying Patriots. I didn't even know they still made them.
Quote from: ifcar on June 02, 2015, 04:26:43 PM
Is this the car with the famous burning brakes?
Yes. :lol:
I don't know how you catch brakes on fire in cold Utah winter. :lol:
I have a friend who bought patriot. I even rode about 2hrs with him. He got a screaming deal on it, used, and sold it not much later for what he got it for.
I usually don't say anything when people buy cars that I don't like. Usually people will buy crappy cars because they're on a budget or just don't care about the things that we enthusiasts care about. ;)
U can get a great car on a budget
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 03, 2015, 06:37:13 AM
U can get a great car on a budget
Yeah, an $800 budget + some elbow grease.
I paid $2500 for my subie, then a year later $1300 for dealer to completely rebuild the a/c (Georgia sucks in the summer).
Since then it's needed an axle, alternator and battery, tires oil & gas.
That's 6 years now and like 50k miles...
I've had so many friends and relatives buy crap cars I've given up offering advice to any of them.
There's too many instances to mention but the one that really stands out is the time when my sister convinced my mother to buy her rustbucket 1987 Cutlass Ciera. Being familiar with this shitheap and knowing full well how my sister had taken care of it (that is to say not at all), I advised my mother not to buy this rolling turd under any circumstances. So what does she do? Buys it, of course!
And because my mother will buy absolutely anything a salesman puts in front of her, she was convinced by her insurance agent to get full coverage for this rusting pile of shite. Luckily, the car was stolen and crashed by joyriders and the insurance payout was far more than the damn thing was worth!
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 03, 2015, 06:37:13 AM
U can get a great car on a budget
I suspect things are a little tougher in Germany what with the TUV and all.
I recommend a good mechanic.
I think the recently-off-lease CPO option is the way to go. Let someone else take the depreciation hit. There's any number of 2011-2 Camrys around for about $15k.
Better than taking the torture that a shit car will dole out.
I usually find something about the car that I like to make my lie more convincing when I tell them good job or whatever. But I don't really give a shit what people buy, unless they asked for my advice when they were looking and I gave them a lot of it.
I generally tell people that there are no truly terrible cars made in the last 10 - 15 years, and there is nothing particularly holy about Toyota/Honda/Subaru/Ford/Chevy/Europeans/etc., so it really comes down to fitting their specs. Then I ask for their specs, advise them when necessary (do you drive off-highway in Idaho? for example), and tell them what sort of car they should be looking for.
I don't always give them a list of cars (because I cannot for the life of me remember what makes a CRV different from a RAV4, my god), and I tell them drive cars in the categories given and buy what they think is the best one/the one that makes the most sense. I find that I advise a lot of people who say they do drive off-highway in Idaho (for example), and I tell them Subaru AWD or real 4WD in the least. My folks bought an Explorer on my recommendation after I convinced them that a Murano wouldn't do it.
Quote from: Rupert on June 06, 2015, 04:02:31 PM
(because I cannot for the life of me remember what makes a CRV different from a RAV4, my god)
Ride, handling, interior quality, and fuel economy (all in favor of the Honda). Since you were clearly burning with curiosity. :lol:
I have a friend with a CRV. The ride is impressive.
IMO, all that detail is needless when just about everything is going to be roughly equally reliable and stay basically together equally well, at least compared to almost anything made before 1995. You like the RAV4 because it comes in purple? OK then, go for it.
Quote from: Morris Minor on June 06, 2015, 04:06:02 AM
I think the recently-off-lease CPO option is the way to go. Let someone else take the depreciation hit. There's any number of 2011-2 Camrys around for about $15k.
Better than taking the torture that a shit car will dole out.
Yeah but then you are stuck with a fucking 2011 or 2012 Camry. Why not just put your scrotum in a mechanics vise, crank it tight and save the purchase price. :lol: