This thing is an absolute piece of shit, but I love it. I get feels inside when I see one. My neighbor had one in black with the red/orange Z28 decals when I was a little kid. I was jelly.
It was also featured in Short Circuit, one if the greatest films of all time (when I was a kid).
But the build quality is crap, and 190 hp from a 350 is sad. It can't do the 1/4 mi in less than 16 sec.
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/chevrolet-camaro-1980-1.jpg)
It could be made to do the quarter in 11 seconds. Not ridiculously expensively, either.
GM was great at making cars that looked awesome but were complete pieces of crap. I still think the Cavaliers from the early 90s (not the one SVT666 had that blew up 8 times) are some of the best looking small cars of all time.
I think the Mustang II Mach 1 looks great too. :mask:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2015, 02:30:22 PM
GM was great at making cars that looked awesome but were complete pieces of crap. I still think the Cavaliers from the early 90s (not the one SVT666 had that blew up 8 times) are some of the best looking small cars of all time.
Cavaliers? You're nuts.
Quote from: Laconian on September 25, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Cavaliers? You're nuts.
I think the 1995-2001 Cavalier is a well styled car with good proportions.
It's reliable, but terrible.
I thought the '88-'94 Cavalier was a nice-looking car. Particularly the coupe. The later coupes were attractive as well. Unfortunately, they were pretty much garbage, but at least they were good-looking garbage.
Quote from: shp4man on September 25, 2015, 02:26:58 PM
It could be made to do the quarter in 11 seconds. Not ridiculously expensively, either.
Yeah, but then none of the body panels will ever line up straight againm
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 25, 2015, 03:53:59 PM
Yeah, but then none of the body panels will ever line up straight againm
Again?
Quote from: Laconian on September 25, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Cavaliers? You're nuts.
I always thought Z24s were good looking cars:
(http://i.imgur.com/s12Okaa.jpg)
If you're really paying attention you'll notice the grey cladding on the door doesn't line up with the rest of the cladding on the car so as not to make you forget this thing was a bit of a piece of shit, even in this press shot, but it looked good all in all.
And I've seen a couple mid-'70s Camaros lately and can't help but come away thinking "you know, that's actually a damn fine looking car".
(https://carrosantigos.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/camaro_1974_2.jpg)
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2007/03/30/13/57/1974_chevrolet_camaro-pic-61172.jpeg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/Cyrix_2k/Camaro-3.jpg)
It's kind of sad how the car was festooned with decals, scoops and other baubles just a few years later.
I think the lower trim levels of the second and third generation Camaros look the best; without all the fender flares, ducktails and side skirts if the Z28 and IROC models; the type LT in particular.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 25, 2015, 04:52:18 PM
I think the lower trim levels of the second and third generation Camaros look the best; without all the fender flares, ducktails and side skirts if the Z28 and IROC models; the type LT in particular.
Berlinetta! Very luxury. Such sophisticated. Fake wire wheel covers on a Camaro... lel
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/camaro-gallery-1981brlntta.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on September 25, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Cavaliers? You're nuts.
The '96-'03 Cavaliers weren't bad looking cars. The Sunfires had some fussy details, but they were at least well proportioned
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 25, 2015, 05:01:30 PM
Berlinetta! Very luxury. Such sophisticated. Fake wire wheel covers on a Camaro... lol
1972 was much better looking IMO.
(https://ccco.s3.amazonaws.com/kb_photos/7/79_5_low_res.jpeg)
Quote from: 2o6 on September 25, 2015, 03:50:27 PM
I think the 1995-2001 Cavalier is a well styled car with good proportions.
It's reliable, but terrible.
:wub:
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2005-chevrolet-cavalier-base_100030859_m.jpg)
Yeah post '74 bumpers were not pretty.
On anything.
(https://www.convertibletopguys.com/images/conv/yy9901cavalier.jpg)
Classy
Teal is one of the worst colors out there.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 26, 2015, 10:03:47 AM
:wub:
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2005-chevrolet-cavalier-base_100030859_m.jpg)
Aren't these ridiculously unsafe?
Quote from: BENZ BOY15 on September 26, 2015, 10:23:13 AM
Teal is one of the worst colors out there.
You weren't even alive back when teal was cool.
Quote from: BENZ BOY15 on September 26, 2015, 10:23:35 AM
Aren't these ridiculously unsafe?
Dunno. My grandma has one. She's still alive. :huh: :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 26, 2015, 10:29:47 AM
Dunno. My grandma has one. She's still alive. :huh: :lol:
:lol:
I guess if you don't crash, it's pretty safe.
Quote from: BENZ BOY15 on September 26, 2015, 10:36:55 AM
:lol:
I guess if you don't crash, it's pretty safe.
Not if it spontaneously self combusts.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 26, 2015, 10:26:24 AM
You weren't even alive back when teal was cool.
Teal was never cool. It was only popular.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 26, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
Teal was never cool. It was only popular.
(http://s3.postimg.org/rlgs9bp6r/IMG_20150926_124441.jpg)
:wub:
:lol:
Can't people just go with blue? Blue is my favorite color and I kinda realized that most everything I buy is blue ...but it's subconscious. Cobalt blue is where it's at:
(http://sloancars.com/wp-content/uploads/inventory/1079_2_side1.jpg)
Can't beat it. Teal, on the other hand, is crap.
And that Porsche is sexy. I love that generation.
Always though this car was an attractive design. Might be some oil spots in your driveway, though. ;)
(http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/92-skylark-0012.jpg)
Some teals look awesome. That Camaro a few posts up looks awesome. That Buick, though...nah. granted it has that 90s picture fade goin on, but still.
Ah yes. The old slap a new badge on the same car trick from GM.
Teal is very late-80s to mid-90s.
I also like blue, as my vehicle ownership history shows. Every vehicle I've ever bought new, 3 bikes and 2 cars (dating back to '99), has been blue. That was partly by coincidence, since two of the bikes I bought were only offered in blue and I really didn't buy them because they were blue. The Jetta is the first non-blue vehicle I've owned in a decade. The Mustang's replacement, due in a few weeks, will break my cycle of new, blue vehicles and reduce my stable to a single blue vehicle.
Quote from: MX793 on September 26, 2015, 11:51:39 AM
Teal is very late-80s to mid-90s.
I also like blue, as my vehicle ownership history shows. Every vehicle I've ever bought new, 3 bikes and 2 cars (dating back to '99), has been blue. That was partly by coincidence, since two of the bikes I bought were only offered in blue and I really didn't buy them because they were blue. The Jetta is the first non-blue vehicle I've owned in a decade. The Mustang's replacement, due in a few weeks, will break my cycle of new, blue vehicles and reduce my stable to a single blue vehicle.
(http://cdn.freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/wall-to-wall-carpeting.jpg)
Teal carpet is terrible.
If I understand the point of this thread....
(http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Audi/2002-Audi-TT_Coupe-Roadster-Image-001-1024.jpg)
Guy at my redneck hardware store tried to sell me an I4 Teal Foxbody. I entertained the idea for a day because I was young and dumb (cheap car!) but it doesn't take me long to think "ugly POS"
Quote from: Laconian on September 26, 2015, 01:52:15 PM
Guy at my redneck hardware store tried to sell me an I4 Teal Foxbody. I entertained the idea for a day because I was young and dumb (cheap car!) but it doesn't take me long to think "ugly POS"
It's just a cheap car. At least it's not a Tempo.
I had driven something like 3 cars by that point, and one of them was the Tempo/Topaz cars from driver's ed. I knew to stay away from that shit.
Quote from: MX793 on September 26, 2015, 11:51:39 AM
Teal is very late-80s to mid-90s.
I also like blue, as my vehicle ownership history shows. Every vehicle I've ever bought new, 3 bikes and 2 cars (dating back to '99), has been blue. That was partly by coincidence, since two of the bikes I bought were only offered in blue and I really didn't buy them because they were blue. The Jetta is the first non-blue vehicle I've owned in a decade. The Mustang's replacement, due in a few weeks, will break my cycle of new, blue vehicles and reduce my stable to a single blue vehicle.
What are you replacing the Stang with?
Quote from: Laconian on September 26, 2015, 03:13:23 PM
I had driven something like 3 cars by that point, and one of them was the Tempo/Topaz cars from driver's ed. I knew to stay away from that shit.
But the Topaz was nice. That was like a completely different car because Mercury built it special by hand with better parts and luxurious trim...
:lol:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 26, 2015, 03:58:17 PM
But the Topaz was nice. That was like a completely different car because Mercury built it special by hand with better parts and luxurious trim...
:lol:
Us Ford mechanics have pet names for all the cars. Like Exploder for Explorer and so on. The pet name we had for Tempo was Tampon and Topaz was Toe-spazz. Humor is important in the work environment.
My first car was a '79 Camaro. Not the Z/28 - way outta price my range - with a year's worth of my minimum wage earnings form working at the local grocery store and a standard 2 bbl 305 was all I could muster just a couple of months before my 17th birthday. Looked nice but it had only enough power to almost get out of its own way:
(http://s13.postimg.org/m0sttgryf/Camaro.png)
As to the second gen Camaro ('70 - '81), the early years was IMO the best styled cars to ever come out of Detroit, both in and out, and the 1970 Z/28 with the 360 hp LT-1 350 V8 was the pinnacle of the bunch. '74 onward saw tacky adds-on of bumpers, spoilers, flares and graphics, though things did rebound a bit styling wise only in 1978.
1970 1/2 Z28:
(http://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/chevrolet/camaro/autowp.ru_chevrolet_camaro_z28_rs_10.jpg)
(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad235/aspons/1970%20Chevrolet%20Camaro%20SS/CitrusInterior.jpg)
I love the styling on the early 2nd gen F bodies (both Camaro and Firebird). The later ones still looked good, but they were at their best before they got hit with the new bumper standards. Beat the pants off the '71-'73 Mustang and Mustang II. Really, the only generation of Camaro I didn't care for aesthetically was the 4th generation.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on September 26, 2015, 03:26:37 PM
What are you replacing the Stang with?
I'll share in a few weeks.
Quote from: Raza on September 26, 2015, 01:43:10 PM
If I understand the point of this thread....
(http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Audi/2002-Audi-TT_Coupe-Roadster-Image-001-1024.jpg)
I really like those, too. They have a nice aggressive, forward stance.
meh
I liked the facelifted ones. Besides, the DSG was cool as hell 12 years ago or whatever
(http://www.picautos.com/images/audi-tt-coupe-3.2-quattro-dsg-09.jpg)
Facelift? I see zero differences besides maybe the side mirrors and grille. :lol:
You guys are missing the point. There should be no good reason.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 26, 2015, 07:13:08 PM
Facelift? I see zero differences besides maybe the side mirrors and grille. :lol:
Headlights look different too.
Quote from: BENZ BOY15 on September 26, 2015, 08:14:14 PM
Headlights look different too.
Yeah, and it's totally a different color.
I loved my 1988 Trans Am. Maui Blue. It wasn't fast, but when you look that good, and have T-tops, you don't want to be fast. You want to be appreciated.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nJddOqPO4vs/VERUZ_C_XYI/AAAAAAAAA-U/_AMcrB1TTuQ/w777-h518/Blue%2BTrans%2BAM.jpg)
Blue is good. Green is good. Thou shalt not mix the two. Teal sucks.
Quote from: JWC on September 27, 2015, 06:14:05 PM
I loved my 1988 Trans Am. Maui Blue. It wasn't fast, but when you look that good, and have T-tops, you don't want to be fast. You want to be appreciated.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nJddOqPO4vs/VERUZ_C_XYI/AAAAAAAAA-U/_AMcrB1TTuQ/w777-h518/Blue%2BTrans%2BAM.jpg)
It's a Trans Am. Of course I want it to be fucking fast. You're full of nonsense.
Naw---that car was about style, not speed. That were better choices for speed. That period T/A was about cruising--and it did cruise comfortably.
Quote from: JWC on September 27, 2015, 08:02:26 PM
Naw---that car was about style, not speed. That were better choices for speed. That period T/A was about cruising--and it did cruise comfortably.
For that time period it was still a pretty quick/fast car.
Quote from: MX793 on September 27, 2015, 08:19:15 PM
For that time period it was still a pretty quick/fast car.
I wasn't impressed. My 1988 Honda Civic automatic was probably just as quick. But, my first car was a 1969 Mustang...that was like a first girlfriend. Nothing truly compares.
Quote from: veeman on September 27, 2015, 06:39:19 PM
Blue is good. Green is good. Thou shalt not mix the two. Teal sucks.
Teal is dope. FNGR.
Quote from: Laconian on September 25, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Cavaliers? You're nuts.
You're right. The Lumina was by far the better car.
My truck is teal as fuck. Get tons of compliments on the color.
If i understand the question here:
(http://www.athsvancouverislandchapter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/32.jpg)
Why? Because twin stick, bitches.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 29, 2015, 01:12:36 AM
If i understand the question here:
(http://www.athsvancouverislandchapter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/32.jpg)
Why? Because twin stick, bitches.
Twin teal sticks? :wub:
Quote from: Rupert on September 29, 2015, 12:53:51 AM
You're right. The Lumina was by far the better car.
Lumina ABS. Feel those negative G-forces! :-O
Quote from: Laconian on September 29, 2015, 10:24:34 AM
Lumina ABS. Feel those negative G-forces! :-O
Eurosport with ABS. That's the unicorn.
Combination luggage rack deck wing :wub:
(http://www.iowamotors.com/assets/inventory/1640/11838/B510A697-A53D-6905-4933ECEFF4425C13-img_6187_x.jpg)
Nice rack.
Quote from: Laconian on September 29, 2015, 10:24:34 AM
Lumina ABS. Feel those negative G-forces! :-O
I miss the days when GM would list every modern feature a car had somewhere on the body. Lumina ABS Multiport EFI P/S Electronic Gauge Cluster... read like a classified ad.
(http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Chevrolet/2001-Chevrolet-Impala-Sedan-Image-05-1024.jpg)
My friend's dad had one in high school. It was a pretty cool, good looking car back then.
Quote from: Raza on September 29, 2016, 05:49:34 AM
(http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Chevrolet/2001-Chevrolet-Impala-Sedan-Image-05-1024.jpg)
My friend's dad had one in high school. It was a pretty cool, good looking car back then.
Saw a guy at an Auto-x with one of those in a beige/champagne color. Full suspension upgrade, supercharger, manual transmission swap, and Corvette brakes. I think he was putting down between 350 and 400 hp. The only outward sign that the car wasn't stock were the brakes, but the wheel design (pretty sure they were a factory Impala wheel) hid the brakes enough that you really had to be looking to notice. Total sleeper.
Quote from: MX793 on September 29, 2016, 06:10:03 AM
Saw a guy at an Auto-x with one of those in a beige/champagne color. Full suspension upgrade, supercharger, manual transmission swap, and Corvette brakes. I think he was putting down between 350 and 400 hp. The only outward sign that the car wasn't stock were the brakes, but the wheel design (pretty sure they were a factory Impala wheel) hid the brakes enough that you really had to be looking to notice. Total sleeper.
Haha, pretty sick.
I remember racing with a black Impala SS on the highway once on my way back from school. This was way back when I had my Passat. I did a pretty good job of keeping up with him. We came up to a cop sitting on the side of the road, apparently looking for speeders. Amazingly, we both were able to scrub off enough speed in time to not get arrested (we were both doing triple digits). After we got past the cop and it was apparent he wasn't coming after us, I drove back up to the guy to see if he wanted to resume, but he waved me off. He'd had enough for the day. Too close a call for him.
Quote from: MX793 on September 29, 2016, 06:10:03 AM
Saw a guy at an Auto-x with one of those in a beige/champagne color. Full suspension upgrade, supercharger, manual transmission swap, and Corvette brakes. I think he was putting down between 350 and 400 hp. The only outward sign that the car wasn't stock were the brakes, but the wheel design (pretty sure they were a factory Impala wheel) hid the brakes enough that you really had to be looking to notice. Total sleeper.
How did he do the manual swap? :muffin:
Quote from: Rich on September 29, 2016, 06:31:20 AM
How did he do the manual swap? :muffin:
5MT transaxle out of a Lumina :muffin:
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/06/mercury-bobcat-worst.jpg)
Quote from: Raza on September 29, 2016, 05:49:34 AM
(http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Chevrolet/2001-Chevrolet-Impala-Sedan-Image-05-1024.jpg)
My friend's dad had one in high school. It was a pretty cool, good looking car back then.
I did drivers ed in one of these. Always thought they were good looking as well.
I have a customer whose 01ish Impala I detail every year. It's a nice navy blue. Super smooth riding car.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 29, 2016, 06:53:46 AM
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/06/mercury-bobcat-worst.jpg)
Extremely light, RWD, and enough space under the hood for a 302.
Too bad about everything else.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 29, 2016, 07:21:48 AM
Extremely light, RWD, and enough space under the hood for a 302.
Too bad about everything else.
What about a 460 with a T56?
Quote from: Raza on September 29, 2016, 05:49:34 AM
(http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Chevrolet/2001-Chevrolet-Impala-Sedan-Image-05-1024.jpg)
My friend's dad had one in high school. It was a pretty cool, good looking car back then.
UGH! I despise those Baboon Butt Impalas....
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 29, 2016, 10:15:51 AM
What about a 460 with a T56?
Can you even?
I mean, if you wanna do stupid things with compact '70s Fords, I'd start with a Maverick at least.
(http://ccpublic.blob.core.windows.net/cc-temp/listing/88/1743/1095900-1976-ford-maverick-thumb.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 29, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
Can you even?
I mean, if you wanna do stupid things with compact '70s Fords, I'd start with a Maverick at least.
(http://ccpublic.blob.core.windows.net/cc-temp/listing/88/1743/1095900-1976-ford-maverick-thumb.jpg)
Yes.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on September 29, 2016, 12:22:49 PM
UGH! I despise those Baboon Butt Impalas....
:wub:
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/chevrolet/impala/autowp.ru_chevrolet_impala_police_21.jpg)
Quote from: MX793 on September 29, 2016, 06:10:03 AM
Saw a guy at an Auto-x with one of those in a beige/champagne color. Full suspension upgrade, supercharger, manual transmission swap, and Corvette brakes. I think he was putting down between 350 and 400 hp. The only outward sign that the car wasn't stock were the brakes, but the wheel design (pretty sure they were a factory Impala wheel) hid the brakes enough that you really had to be looking to notice. Total sleeper.
400hp at the front wheels??!
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 29, 2016, 03:05:03 PM
:wub:
(https://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/chevrolet/impala/autowp.ru_chevrolet_impala_police_21.jpg)
:banghead:
Someone posted a 2nd gen F-body so I'm gonna continue that trend now.
(http://i.imgur.com/CLVA87Q.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tZgsOse.jpg)
Quote from: Raza on September 29, 2016, 05:49:34 AM
<2001 Impala SS>
My friend's dad had one in high school. It was a pretty cool, good looking car back then.
It was ridiculous how much those cars got shit on as "not 'real' Impalas" at the time because they were front-drive.
Quote from: 93JC on November 14, 2005, 08:18:59 PM
Quote from: Raghavan on November 14, 2005, 08:11:26 PM
Make the Impala RWD, and then we'll talk about the return of the real Impala.
Quote
Dismissing this Chevy Impala SS as a pretender because it isn't rear-drive like the Impalas of yesteryear is a lazy cop-out. It's a cop-out because those old Impalas weren't that great and how this car compares to the crusty ghosts of ancient namesakes is unimportant.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 29, 2016, 06:53:46 AM
<Mercury Bobcat>
The thing that takes this photo up a notch in greatness is the Topazes parked in the background.
You actually dug back 11 motherfucking years to find that?
You madman.
It's a long-held belief; I figured I would have posted something about it, so I searched :lol: Took all of about 30 seconds to find.
They were as fast in a straight line as the '94-'96 Impala SSes, and way better around corners. The '06-?? V8-powered ones were even faster. I remember them getting crapped on at the time and I didn't get it, because the car could lay the boots to any Impala SS that came before it.
Those s/c 3.8s were bulletproof rockets. Throw and underdrive pulley on and you could smoke just about anything in its realm or beyond and get 28mpg on the highway.
3.4L's are meh, tho
Well, there's the Viggen:
(http://www.turbonines.com/artman2/uploads/1/500-hp-viggen-3.jpg)
But there are plenty of good reasons to like that. Fast as balls in the midrange, and with some minor mods (aka Viggen Rescue Kit), it could be turned it a good all round performer and be pretty reliable too (the kit fixes the issues with stuffing a too-big motor in a too-small bay).
What there may or may not be a good reason for liking is the 250hp V6 turbo 9-3 Cabriolet that came later.
(http://cdn2.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/files/images/dir_48/car_photo_24272.jpg)
(http://cdn1.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/files/images/dir_48/car_photo_24270.jpg)
Maybe not good reasons, but it was quick, comfortable, and looked great. I wanted one then, I still want one now. I could see a three car garage where I have a Z4M Roadster, an SUV of some sort, and a 9-3 2.8t cabriolet for long haul top down driving. 6MT, of course. And one before it got the deep, company-killing nose.
(http://www.convertiblecarmagazine.com/wp-content/gallery/saab-9-3/saab-9-3-001.jpg)
I learned how to drive manual on one of those (a 2.0T sedan). That thing was a lot of fun to drive- I have a soft spot for pre-facelift 9-3s.
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 30, 2016, 02:43:35 PM
I learned how to drive manual on one of those (a 2.0T sedan). That thing was a lot of fun to drive- I have a soft spot for pre-facelift 9-3s.
Same here. I drove a manual 9-3 Arc 2.0T (just below the Aero) while I was still learning how to drive stick. I was awful, but once I got going, I really enjoyed how that car drove.
I totally forgot about the Viggen. :wub: I was so close to buying one years and years ago.
IDK man, every Saab I've driven I always walk away thinking "Man, an Audi beats the brakes off this"
Viggens were cool. Two door versions especially. Oddly roomy and practical, looked different than everything else, kind of laggy but fun when the boost hit.
It was just a really quirky, fun, m3 competitor.
M3 competitor? Bit of a stretch, no?
Compared to an E36? Not really
My timeline is off. It was MY 98-02, which was end of E36/beginning of E46
(http://www.blueovaltrucks.com/resources/images/F-Series/1970-4x4.jpg)
Quote from: Rupert on September 30, 2016, 07:49:57 PM
(http://www.blueovaltrucks.com/resources/images/F-Series/1970-4x4.jpg)
I'll take that one if it has a 300 I6 and a granny gear 4 speed. Maybe put a turbo on it.
If I ever have a need to routinely cut and haul firewood from the forest, I'm getting one of those.
Quote from: Rupert on September 30, 2016, 09:21:19 PM
If I ever have a need to routinely cut and haul firewood from the forest, I'm getting one of those.
That seems like a good reason to drive a 4x4 truck.
But it's not my reason, because I don't have to cut or haul firewood.
Quote from: Rupert on September 30, 2016, 10:27:19 PM
But it's not my reason, because I don't have to cut or haul firewood.
How do you keep warm in winter and cook perpetual stew?
(http://kurld.com//images/ford-escort-gt/ford-escort-gt-14.jpg)
I remember test driving a 9-3 before I bought my GTI. I liked it a lot but in the end I liked the GTI better (and it was cheaper). All things being considered I think they were nice cars but suffered from being FWD.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 01, 2016, 07:30:27 AM
How do you keep warm in winter and cook perpetual stew?
I hibernate.