Mazda Finally Brings Diesel CX-5 To America, Confirms Diesel AWD Mazda6, Too
While many automakers have started dropping diesels completely (be that only in America or widely), Mazda has just launched its first oil-burner in the United States. It powers the CX-5 Signature AWD compact SUV and is on display at the 2019 New York Auto Show.
The 2.2-liter Skyactiv-D unit features a sequential twin turbocharger that provides smooth response from low to high engine speeds, while increasing the low- and high-end torque. The mill produces 168 horsepower (170 PS / 125 kW) at 4,000 rpm and 290 pound-feet (393 Nm) of torque at 2,000 rpm.
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Mazda says they worked closely with all federal and state agencies to ensure that the engine meets the required emission standards and passes all appropriate regulations. The unit returns an EPA estimated 27/30/28 mpg (8.7/7.8/8.4 lt/100 km / 32/36/33.6 mpg UK) in city/highway/combined, which it says, represents 15 percent better fuel economy over the equivalent gasoline model.
"As Mazda continues our climb toward premium, we will offer more powertrain choices that premium customers expect", said Mazda North America President Jeffrey Guyton. "I am happy to share that Mazda's Skyactiv-D 2.2-liter diesel engine is joining the U.S. powertrain lineup with our debut model, the 2019 CX-5 Signature AWD with Skyactiv-D."
The only standard exterior color available for the diesel-powered CX-5 is the Jet Black. For an extra buck, however, customers can have it finished in Snowflake White Pearl, Soul Red Crystal or Machine Grey.
Pre-sales of the vehicle kick off now, though first deliveries are set for this July. With an MSRP of $41,000, excluding the $1,045 destination charge, it's about $4,000 more expensive than the petrol-powered Signature trim.
As Mazda announced during the press conference, the CX-5 Signature won't remain their only diesel-powered vehicle in North America, as the Mazda6 will join the party with a low-revving engine of its own and all-wheel drive.
Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/04/mazda-introduces-diesel-cx-5-to-america-will-bring-diesel-awd-mazda6-too/
What a pathetic showing after what feels like almost a decade of hype.
Lol who the hell would buy this
Diesel+USA=Stillborn
Dooood. CX-5 is now on my List.
Aww shit $41,000? Fuck that.
The Terrain and Equinox diesels are actually really thrifty. They get literally 10MPG more than this car.
Why did Mazda even try with this
I really hope this doesn't set a precedent were the SkyactiveX is also overhyped, late to market, and under delivers.
27/30/28 mpg for a diesel? Worst diesel
Quote from: Laconian on April 17, 2019, 02:48:47 PM
27/30/28 mpg for a diesel? Worst diesel
That is horrible. The current CX-5 is already rated 31 highway.
I would have considered it if it was 10 grand cheaper but as is the Grand Touring Reserve offers more for less.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on April 17, 2019, 02:39:53 PM
Aww shit $41,000? Fuck that.
Maybe they want it to die but still say they tried? lol
They should stick an LS in it.
The European version gets 42 MPG so my guess they had to clamp down on a few things to meet US emissions standards.
Turbo FWD does 25 combined (7% worse)
But diesel generally costs 10% more than regular
And as they said the gas Signature costs $4K less
Tough maffs :hmm:
This is not a very Mazda move
Quote from: HurricaneSteve on April 17, 2019, 04:02:17 PM
The European version gets 42 MPG so my guess they had to clamp down on a few things to meet US emissions standards.
EU fuel economy is usually more forgiving, their test is different.
My guess is that they're just trying to recoup the costs dumped into the diesel for America program. Still, aren't turbodiesels generally more reliable in the long run than petrol turbos?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 18, 2019, 11:46:16 AM
Turbo FWD does 25 combined (7% worse)
But diesel generally costs 10% more than regular
And as they said the gas Signature costs $4K less
Tough maffs :hmm:
This is not a very Mazda move
Quote from: HurricaneSteve on April 18, 2019, 12:34:53 PM
My guess is that they're just trying to recoup the costs dumped into the diesel for America program. Still, aren't turbodiesels generally more reliable in the long run than petrol turbos?
Seems like it, but that could mostly be because they're typically designed for commercial applications and are engineered to last longer.
Dear Mazda,
You might have something if you put this diesel drivetrain in the back seat of that old Mazda2/Toyota thing.
Kthx,
Everyone except Amerrica
Like this?
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I'm not talking about some piece of shit Nissan :rage:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 18, 2019, 06:25:15 PM
Like this?
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Rear engine, like the Clio V6 :wub:
Ah I thought I read somewhere that the diesel versions of the Jetta & Golf are more reliable than the gas versions due to diesel motors needing to be built stronger and heavier..
Quote from: BimmerM3 on April 18, 2019, 12:41:19 PM
Seems like it, but that could mostly be because they're typically designed for commercial applications and are engineered to last longer.
Quote from: HurricaneSteve on April 18, 2019, 07:58:52 PM
Ah I thought I read somewhere that the diesel versions of the Jetta & Golf are more reliable than the gas versions due to diesel motors needing to be built stronger and heavier..
You might be right. I'm far from an expert.
I mean they usually use studied, heavier engine blocks. That's usually the ticket.
Quote from: HurricaneSteve on April 18, 2019, 07:58:52 PM
Ah I thought I read somewhere that the diesel versions of the Jetta & Golf are more reliable than the gas versions due to diesel motors needing to be built stronger and heavier..
And running at lower rpm.
What good is an engine that'll run for 300,000 miles if the body you put it in will rust out in less
than 10 years?
:lol:
Those mpg numbers seem really bad for a diesel
Quote from: mzziaz on April 20, 2019, 10:35:38 AM
Those mpg numbers seem really bad for a diesel
Indeed. I wonder if real-world numbers will be different (better). Kind of sucks from a sales standpoint, though...how can you justify the cost with such a small/negligible difference? Especially if you're leasing.
I'm waiting for a new CX-7 - bigger than the CX-5 but not a three-row.
Quote from: Morris Minor on April 21, 2019, 07:47:20 AM
I'm waiting for a new CX-7 - bigger than the CX-5 but not a three-row.
Planning to trade the CR-V?
Quote from: Morris Minor on April 21, 2019, 07:47:20 AM
I'm waiting for a new CX-7 - bigger than the CX-5 but not a three-row.
I was gonna suggest a Passport but I bet you're not exactly a huge fan of Honda at the moment...
Quote from: Morris Minor on April 21, 2019, 07:47:20 AM
I'm waiting for a new CX-7 - bigger than the CX-5 but not a three-row.
Why do you need something larger than a CX5? You're an empty nester and the CX5 is pretty large.
New CX5 is right around the corner from what I hear. It'll be interesting to see how their latest body style will translate to larger vehicles.
Quote from: Laconian on April 21, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
Why do you need something larger than a CX5? You're an empty nester and the CX5 is pretty large.
New CX5 is right around the corner from what I hear. It'll be interesting to see how their latest body style will translate to larger vehicles.
Extra power and space is nice.
Quote from: Laconian on April 21, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
Why do you need something larger than a CX5? You're an empty nester and the CX5 is pretty large.
New CX5 is right around the corner from what I hear. It'll be interesting to see how their latest body style will translate to larger vehicles.
The CX5 would be considered a small CUV in the same category as Escape, CR-V, et al.
The CX7 should be considered a mid-sized CUV in the same category as the Edge, et al.
The extra size, especially width, makes quite a different to some of us as far as comfort is concerned.
Yeahhhh CX-5 is small. Not too small, but I wouldn't call it "large."
CX-5 is normal, anything larger is excessive
Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 21, 2019, 02:29:32 PM
CX-5 is normal, anything larger is excessive
What the fuck is happening here. :confused:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 21, 2019, 02:29:32 PM
CX-5 is normal, anything larger is excessive
Just wait until your ass starts to spread. :lol:
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 21, 2019, 08:02:35 AM
Planning to trade the CR-V?
I'm severely tempted - I have no confidence in it.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 21, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
Just wait until your ass starts to spread. :lol:
CX5 is plenty big for passengers. CX7 just adds more room behind the rear seat?
Quote from: Laconian on April 21, 2019, 06:42:26 PM
CX5 is plenty big for passengers. CX7 just adds more room behind the rear seat?
Okay, I see that the 2019 model of CX5 has grown in most dimensions vs. the 2018 model. Presumably, it will be on a par with the 2020 Escape. I'll have to check them both out when the lease expires, next June 2020, on our current vehicle.
It's maybe a tad smaller than a CR-V, but not appreciably so. It's plenty big for two empty nesters.
Quote from: Laconian on April 21, 2019, 06:42:26 PM
CX5 is plenty big for passengers. CX7 just adds more room behind the rear seat?
And width. There's def a difference between the CR-V and Passport with respect to hip and shoulder room. Not that the CX-5 is tight, but the CX-9 is definitely a wider car. A CX-7 would likely be a shorter CX-9, not a longer CX-5.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 21, 2019, 08:50:53 PM
And width. There's def a difference between the CR-V and Passport with respect to hip and shoulder room. Not that the CX-5 is tight, but the CX-9 is definitely a wider car. A CX-7 would likely be a shorter CX-9, not a longer CX-5.
Yeah I'm going to say CX-7 will be to CX-9 as Passport is to Pilot.
(IIRC one factor that sold me on the CR-V over the CX-5 was the cargo volume .)
Latest on the CR-V is that the dash warning lights lit up like a Christmas tree on my way home on Friday: lane departure, dynamic cruise, brake system, & all the rest. Warning chimes.
Shut the car off & restarted numerous times - no dice.
It did the same thing the next morning. So I started out for the dealership. Stopped off on the way on a errand. Got back in the car to proceed - no more lights - everything normal.
Turned round & drove home.
This is why people buy Lexii and Toyotae. Deadly dull but reliable.
I had all my safety systems light up like a Christmas tree once on the Accord. Said a sensor was being blocked. It was lightly snowing. Went out to the front, and yeah, whole thing was packed with snow and salt. Removed it all, restarted the car and it was fine :huh: Check your front sensor?
That's usually part of the reason why people but Hondas too... :mask:
Quote from: MrH on April 21, 2019, 07:46:35 PM
It's maybe a tad smaller than a CR-V, but not appreciably so. It's plenty big for two empty nesters.
Depends on what the empty nesters want to do with it.
I know numerical specs aren't everything, but the CR-V has ~27% more cargo space compared to the CX-5. That's not trivial.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on April 22, 2019, 08:57:27 AM
Depends on what the empty nesters want to do with it.
I know numerical specs aren't everything, but the CR-V has ~27% more cargo space compared to the CX-5. That's not trivial.
Yeah but all of that space just fills with gasoline after a while.
Quote from: Morris Minor on April 22, 2019, 08:21:11 AM
Yeah I'm going to say CX-7 will be to CX-9 as Passport is to Pilot.
(IIRC one factor that sold me on the CR-V over the CX-5 was the cargo volume .)
Latest on the CR-V is that the dash warning lights lit up like a Christmas tree on my way home on Friday: lane departure, dynamic cruise, brake system, & all the rest. Warning chimes.
Shut the car off & restarted numerous times - no dice.
It did the same thing the next morning. So I started out for the dealership. Stopped off on the way on a errand. Got back in the car to proceed - no more lights - everything normal.
Turned round & drove home.
This is why people buy Lexii and Toyotae. Deadly dull but reliable.
It sounds like a sensor was blocked...
Did you turn off the A/C? The Subaru Eyesight system doesn't like it when the windshield gets fogged up.
And some people think that that autonomous vehicles are just around the corner :nutty:.
Oh no you didn't!!! :nono:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 22, 2019, 09:43:59 AM
Yeah but all of that space just fills with gasoline after a while.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 22, 2019, 01:02:46 PM
And some people think that that autonomous vehicles are just around the corner :nutty:.
Right? These sensors can't handle heavy rain or snow/ice buildup. Just what you need...for your car to strand you in the middle of nowhere because it can't "see."
Quote from: Laconian on April 22, 2019, 11:54:20 AM
Did you turn off the A/C? The Subaru Eyesight system doesn't like it when the windshield gets fogged up.
Will have to let my mom know about this. The salt water air in Florida could probably upset the eyesight on her new Impreza
When Eyesight dies, the dashboard lights up like a Christmas tree.
NO EYESIGHT!
NO LANE ASSIST!
NO COLLISION WARNING!
NO AUTO BRAKE!
NO CRUISE CONTROL!
Quote from: Laconian on May 13, 2019, 10:56:16 PM
When Eyesight dies, the dashboard lights up like a Christmas tree.
NO EYESIGHT!
NO LANE ASSIST!
NO COLLISION WARNING!
NO AUTO BRAKE!
NO CRUISE CONTROL!
Oh man she would freak 😂