Is The Taycan A True Porsche? Yes, Indeed – And Then Some
The all-electric Porsche Taycan was recently unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show and, after the media launch, the first video reviews of the car have started to be come in.
Porsche has so far only introduced the Taycan in Turbo and Turbo S guises, with the car tested by Autocar being the range-topping S version. So, has the first all-electric Porsche been worth the long wait?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XgxLxOFWOw
Like all other high-performance electric vehicles on the market, the Taycan Turbo S is quick. In fact, Porsche says it will launch off the line and hit 62 mph (100 km/h) in a mere 2.8 seconds, which puts it on par with some of the industry's leading supercars. Allowing the car to achieve such blistering acceleration are a pair of electric motors that deliver up to 750 hp and 774 lb-ft (1050 Nm) of torque when the Overboost function is enabled.
The Taycan isn't just fast when it comes to acceleration, as it is also rather speedy when it comes to charging. The company claims the 93.4 kWh lithium-ion battery pack can be juiced up to 80 per cent capacity in as little as 22.5 minutes thanks to its 800-volt architecture.
Many were concerned that the Taycan would spell the end of Porsche as we know it. That's doesn't appear to be the case, as the reviewer notes it is as much of a Porsche as the Cayenne and Panamera, plus it handles better than both. The answer, then, is that instead of spelling the end, the Taycan heralds the beginning of a new era for the German automaker; and that era looks bright.
Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/is-the-taycan-a-true-porsche-yes-indeed-and-then-some/
It's quite a cool car. Charging at home with a 240 volt ac charger still takes 11 hours. The 22.5 min charge time is only at a special supercharging station, not many of which currently exist.
Quote from: veeman on September 25, 2019, 08:13:54 PM
It's quite a cool car. Charging at home with a 240 volt ac charger still takes 11 hours. The 22.5 min charge time is only at a special supercharging station, not many of which currently exist.
How often do you use the whole range and not park for 11 hours overnight?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 25, 2019, 08:28:58 PM
How often do you use the whole range and not park for 11 hours overnight?
I can't afford that car so it doesn't matter. Most people who can would probably park overnight in their multi-car garage at their chateau and charge it at home.
My point being that everywhere Porsche has advertised this car, they have touted the 22.5 minute charge time without also indicating that this full charge time can only be achieved at select few public stations. The carscoops article originally posted states:
"The Taycan isn't just fast when it comes to acceleration, as it is also rather speedy when it comes to charging. The company claims the 93.4 kWh lithium-ion battery pack can be juiced up to 80 per cent capacity in as little as 22.5 minutes thanks to its 800-volt architecture."
Yeah that's true. At a select few public charge stations. It's not false advertising. All companies do this. I just felt it needed to be pointed out because it's not readily obvious from the article or other Porsche advertisements.
It has been clear for years that the Taycan requires a more powerful kind of charger, so I am not sure what the issue is. They are not really that infrequent though. Electrify America has 2000 250kW chargers.
Quote from: Galaxy on September 26, 2019, 11:25:05 AM
It has been clear for years that the Taycan requires a more powerful kind of charger, so I am not sure what the issue is. They are not really that infrequent though. Electrify America has 2000 250kW chargers.
There's no issue. I commented that the 22.5 full charge time can only be done at a select few chargers and can't be done at home. Evidently saying this is a problem :huh:
In the U.S. I believe those chargers are currently few. I think Porsche has promised 600 of them nationwide by the end of 2020 or something like that.
Meanwhile in Germany the wrong chargers are being built with a laughable 22 kW. I can see charging congestion becoming a serious problem thanks to this.
What's wrong with only building rapid chargers? Nobody wants to wait hours for their EV to charge, especially those that have to drive a lot. I understand the overnight-at-home-charging aspect, but some people have to drive longer distances and depend on longer ranges and quick charging times.
My cousin from Toronto was over my house for a few days a few weeks ago. He likes fancy cars and currently has a Porsche Panamera. He was talking about the Taycan and how he's thinking about putting a deposit on one. I was goading him on telling him what a cool car the Taycan is, how he should definitely get it, and how it's much better than a Model S (although they're not really competitors). Somewhere in the conversation he said that it also charges super fast. That's where I say, whoah dude, you do know that out in your suburb of Toronto, you're mostly going to be charging at home and it won't charge at home any faster than any other electric car. He didn't know that. Before he bought it, he would have realized that for sure but, right now, while he was thinking about it and super excited about the product, he didn't realize that. He'll still get it I think. Hope he does. It's a really cool car.
For me the fast-charging aspect is one of the keys to the success of EVs. If long range is not possible, then at least offer fast charging. If fast charging is not possible, then offer long range.
That recent Mercedes-Benz Vision EQS concept has a range of 700 km (on paper, I assume) and supposedly can be charged to 80% battery capacity in less than 20 minutes providing you can find a 350 kW charger.
So why are 350 kW chargers not a thing? Again the slow-charging-at-home part is ok, but when you're out and about I doubt you'd want to wait long for your ride to charge. Imagine if fuel pumps at gas stations were slow and it took you like 20 minutes to refill your car to 80% of the fuel tank capacity. MADNESS! :lol:
I want a real lectric car. None of this hokey bullshit. Bolt is close, but it's not a brown manual diesel wagon.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on September 26, 2019, 03:49:51 PM
Meanwhile in Germany the wrong chargers are being built with a laughable 22 kW.
22kW is the maximum you can generally get on a residential connection. The public ones usually have more.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on September 26, 2019, 04:49:04 PM
So why are 350 kW chargers not a thing?
So far there is only one car that supports 350kW. The Taycan. They are being built all over the place, almost every Autobahn rest area has an Ionity station. The ones built so far are from the Swiss company ABB, going forward they are switching to the Australian company Tritium.
Quote from: Galaxy on September 26, 2019, 05:23:14 PM
22kW is the maximum you can generally get on a residential connection. The public ones usually have more.
Are you sure? Welt.de recently reported that quite a few public chargers were slow chargers.
Quote from: Galaxy on September 26, 2019, 05:23:14 PMSo far there is only one car that supports 350kW. The Taycan. They are being built all over the place, almost every Autobahn rest area has an Ionity station. The ones built so far are from the Swiss company ABB, going forward they are switching to the Australian company Tritium.
For me fast-charging is necessary for an EV to start appealing to me, especially for lengthy drives. I can live with the slow-overnight-charging, but for lengthy trips, which I do undertake, fast-charging is a must.
22kW at the mains (are these chargers rated for their draw or their output?) at 230v is close to 90 amps, which is a pretty good draw for a residential area.
350 KW chargers would require their own 400-500 KVAR transformer, similar to what a decent sized restaurant might use.
The Supercharger station I was using was running at 70kW. I think it would've done more had there not been other cars charging at the same time.
Most free public chargers are Level 2 chargers (~20 kw) and take 8-9 hours to fully charge a 200+ mile range EV. Pretty much all Level 3 chargers cost money to use (unless you bought a Tesla and get free supercharging for however long) and should only be used for roadtrips/similar. The different chargers belong in different areas. Level 2 is perfect for your home or work, where you're going to leave the vehicle parked for a long time anyway. Level 3 should really only be used for quick fill ups along highway routes. An ideal infrastructure would be a mix of both levels.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 28, 2019, 06:21:43 PM
22kW at the mains (are these chargers rated for their draw or their output?) at 230v is close to 90 amps, which is a pretty good draw for a residential area.
350 KW chargers would require their own 400-500 KVAR transformer, similar to what a decent sized restaurant might use.
Germany uses 3 phase power for residential power. You have 400V between 2 phases, or 230V between a phase and ground. You could go over 22kW, however the utility needs to specifically approve that, plus most houses do not have the required wiring.
It's really, really, really, really, really fast from 0 to 260 km/h. But totally emotionless for me - no ICE sound.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUeyRnqq49o
I think you'd be experiencing a lot of emotions if you were in the car during that acceleration run.
Rollercoasters are still thrill rides even though there's no engine noise.
OK, I watched it with a decent set of speakers. Sounds great! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooop
"Turbo" is just wrong on EVs.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 05, 2019, 09:12:44 PM
"Turbo" is just wrong on EVs.
+1 Porsche is off the deep end with that. It's the new 340i M xdrive King Dick Ranch
I am intrigued by the Taycan Star Wars cross marketing. The Tie fighter sound may still happen!
Quote from: Galaxy on October 05, 2019, 11:39:32 PM
I am intrigued by the Taycan Star Wars cross marketing. The Tie fighter sound may still happen!
I saw a Star Wars Nissan Rogue the other day. Had a badge on the side and the bumper said "Star Wars" right under the tailgate. So tacky. Nothing else about the car is Star Wars-y.
I would assume Porsche will do a better job.
I hope so! Laser gun attachments and tie fighter noises would be enough
Quote from: Galaxy on October 05, 2019, 11:39:32 PM
I am intrigued by the Taycan Star Wars cross marketing. The Tie fighter sound may still happen!
I don't know about that! A TIE fighter sound from the perspective of the cockpit (sans Doppler shifting) would be pretty grating!
Quote from: Laconian on October 06, 2019, 12:02:41 AM
I don't know about that! A TIE fighter sound from the perspective of the cockpit (sans Doppler shifting) would be pretty grating!
That is actually a valid point.
Well, they could add fake Doppler to the fake turbo badge.
Each time you pass a car, it does a gratifying shift. Reeeeeee
Quote from: Laconian on October 06, 2019, 11:13:54 AM
Each time you pass a car, it does a gratifying shift. Reeeeeee
Or this: https://youtu.be/pLrkl4ho3ro?t=270
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 05, 2019, 11:42:33 PM
I saw a Star Wars Nissan Rogue the other day. Had a badge on the side and the bumper said "Star Wars" right under the tailgate. So tacky. Nothing else about the car is Star Wars-y.
It was like $2k for some stupid stickers. I know someone who leased one becaus they just had to have one. :facepalm:
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/03/2020-porsche-taycan-turbos-range-test/
"Lap two is much like the first, with my podcast backlog shrinking all the way. And then it's over. I roll into my driveway with 209.2 miles on the trip odometer. After two laps of Orange County, the Taycan has surpassed its rated range by 8.2 miles, and it did so with another 78 miles on the range meter. That's 287.2 miles of projected range, folks, some 43 percent better than the EPA rating."
https://youtu.be/7qnYSQykMW4
Cooling system needs an upgrade
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30986407/porsche-taycan-ev-fire-garage-florida/
More likely to be caused by the garage wiring/charger installation than the car itself, IMO.
Kinda looks like it's centered around the car.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 09, 2020, 05:25:39 PM
https://youtu.be/7qnYSQykMW4
Interesting to watch, but man, it will take some getting used to enduring these videos with no sound. I checked my volume and.... oh wait, it's an EV. :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 18, 2020, 02:21:54 PM
More likely to be caused by the garage wiring/charger installation than the car itself, IMO.
It's an EV. EVs burn in fires that basically can't be put out. That's their thing, like how Kim Kardashian's thing is that she has a big ass.
Every EV's purpose is to burn in an intense fire.
LOL
Pics from my local Porsche dealer.
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The outside is sexy, but the interior is merely okay. The Panamera looks much richer inside, and the loss of physical buttons in favor of all touch screens is disappointing as ever.
My 740i had a sea of buttons, yet it was easier to control most functions with all that "clutter" than it is to perform most basic and complex tasks on even the best modern touch screens.
Porsche Taycan Turbo S Storms Down The Autobahn At Insane Speeds
www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IAgkHpU54
The Porsche Taycan Turbo S may be all-electric but that doesn't mean it isn't fun. In fact, this video proves the sedan can be hugely thrilling to drive.
The footage starts out with a couple of short clips of the driver kicking out the vehicle's tail while accelerating out of corners – not something you'd expect to see from an electric car with all-wheel drive and mountains of grip. Next, we get to see just how quick this thing is in a straight line.
The Automann-TV channel on YouTube tested the car on the German Autobahn and were able to see what it has up its sleeves. In the first run, the Porsche accelerates to 62 mph (100 km/h) in a mere 2.8 seconds and continues to build up speed with frightening pace, hitting 250 km/h (155 mph) in just 17.8 seconds.
Mind you, it's not just the Taycan Turbo S' power off the line that boggles the mind. When driving at 100 km/h (62 mph) on the Autobahn, it takes just 6.9 seconds to get up to 200 km/h (124 mph) after flooring the throttle. That's more than enough pace to snap your head back and push you firmly against the seat.
Making the Porsche Taycan Turbo S so accelerative are the two electric motors that combine to produce 750 HP and 774 lb-ft (1,050 Nm) of torque when Overboost is enabled. Assisting the car's straight-line abilities is the fact that it has a two-speed transmission meaning it continues to pull strongly up to its top speed rather than starting to wane as speeds increase like some other EVs.
Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2020/04/porsche-taycan-turbo-s-storms-down-the-autobahn-at-insane-speeds/
Holy schittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt the acceleration fries my brain.