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Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 08, 2006, 04:56:13 AM
Ford Ditches Zephyr In Favor of Letters M, K, Z

Mere months after it went on sale, the Lincoln Zephyr is getting a name change to go with the Lincoln alphanumeric makeover now underway. With the new MKX crossover and MKS concept sedan in the pipeline, the Zephyr will take on the initials MKZ for 2007. At the same time, Ford says, the MKZ will get a mild styling update on the front end of the car and inside, where metallic inserts will be available in the place of standard wood finishes. The MKZ gets its power from Ford's new Cyclone 3.5-liter V-6, which is expected to make 250 horsepower. All-wheel drive will be added to the MKZ lineup as an option at the same time.


:rolleyes:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: giant_mtb on February 08, 2006, 05:13:26 AM
My insides just sunk.  That is one of my favorite names for a car.  It's also one of my favorite-looking.  :(  :rage:  
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Post by: BMWDave on February 08, 2006, 05:13:36 AM
Lincoln is doomed :(
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 08, 2006, 05:57:20 AM
Chris, it still looks the same from what I can tell:
(http://siteadmin.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/10680_FBZBAQKQGLXWN.jpg)

Maybe they fixed the taillights, but it doesn't sound like it.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 08, 2006, 08:17:13 AM
MKZ?  So when they make one based on the upcoming Fusion GT, it will be the Lincoln MKZ GT?

They should stop calling them Lincolns, too, that's too many letters.  

LNCN MKZ GT
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: thewizard16 on February 08, 2006, 01:54:44 PM
Aside from the taillights and an interior that was nice, but didn't fit my tastes, I really liked the Zephyr... cool name too. Lincoln needs to drop this whole letter naming business, the only ones that do it that seem normal to me are the high-end manufacturers, and they've been doing it for long enough no one thinks anything of it. That is probably what Lincoln is trying to do, make themselves seem more high end, but I don't think that making up dumb letter combinations and ditching attractive model names is going to help.
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Post by: SVT666 on February 08, 2006, 02:05:59 PM
I like the name Zephyr  :(  
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Post by: Catman on February 08, 2006, 03:42:40 PM
QuoteLincoln is doomed :(
Beat me to it. :P   I'm starting to feel like Andrew Kear. :nono:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: TBR on February 08, 2006, 03:47:37 PM
Not really a big deal. Now, if they kill the Navigator or Town Car names, then it is a big deal.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: mazda6er on February 08, 2006, 03:49:02 PM
QuoteNot really a big deal. Now, if they kill the Navigator or Town Car names, then it is a big deal.
...and I'm sure they will.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 08, 2006, 03:56:47 PM
The SUV that was unveiled yesterday/today is uses the Navigator name.  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Catman on February 08, 2006, 04:03:37 PM
QuoteThe SUV that was unveiled yesterday/today is uses the Navigator name.
Soon to be the MXVZK. :P  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: mazda6er on February 08, 2006, 04:07:56 PM
QuoteThe SUV that was unveiled yesterday/today is uses the Navigator name.
So did the Aviator (excuse me, MKX? :P)...until they changed it. Lincoln was already planning on the new naming system when that was unveiled, I believe.  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Catman on February 08, 2006, 04:13:07 PM
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QuoteThe SUV that was unveiled yesterday/today is uses the Navigator name.
So did the Aviator (excuse me, MKX? :P)...until they changed it. Lincoln was already planning on the new naming system when that was unveiled, I believe.
The whole naming debacle just proves Lincoln is in disarray.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 08, 2006, 04:13:35 PM
But this was at the same time that they changed the Zephyr name, they wouldn't unveil it this late under that name to change it later.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 08, 2006, 04:21:20 PM
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QuoteNot really a big deal. Now, if they kill the Navigator or Town Car names, then it is a big deal.
...and I'm sure they will.
LNCN MKNVGR
LNCN MKZXTNCR
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: so cal cookie on February 08, 2006, 10:06:45 PM
Honda sued Ford over the use of MKX, and I had hope that that would convince them to abandon this stupid alpha-numeric thing, but i guess not. :banghead:  :rage:
Lincoln needs to figure out what the hell they are doing before they do anything else.


For those that can't see the changes in the front, the grill has a horizontal bar going across the middle of it, and the lower fascia has been revised.
New:
(http://siteadmin.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/10680_FBZBAQKQGLXWN.jpg)
Old:
(http://www.lincoln.com/zephyr/img/main_ext_11.jpg)


It's sad to see the Zephyr get caught up in this, because I like the car.  
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Post by: TBR on February 09, 2006, 10:13:48 AM
"Honda sued Ford over the use of MKX, and I had hope that that would convince them to abandon this stupid alpha-numeric thing, but i guess not."

Now that is really ridiculous, even more ridiculous than BMW sueing over the M.
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Post by: Speed_Racer on February 09, 2006, 11:43:07 AM
Hmph...Zephyr was one of the names I liked. I see current car names floating in my Alpha-Bits, which is rediculous. I like it when a car's name invokes a feeling or thought.  
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Post by: TurboDan on February 09, 2006, 12:22:08 PM
Won't this just confuse buyers?  Cadillac is bad enough with the SRX and XLR being so similar.  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: TBR on February 09, 2006, 01:48:31 PM
No more so than the similar alphanumeric names of other manufacturers do (i.e.: G35 and M35; GS350; IS350, and RX350; and 530i and 330i).
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: so cal cookie on February 09, 2006, 05:31:09 PM
QuoteWon't this just confuse buyers?  Cadillac is bad enough with the SRX and XLR being so similar.
You bet it will.
I'd hate to be a Lincoln salesmen next year.
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Post by: sparkplug on February 09, 2006, 06:48:22 PM
Only time can tell if Lincoln succeeds.

I'd like to see Mercury and Lincoln do something different to the powertrain, brakes, and suspension to further differentiate themselves from Ford. People will pay more for a car if its truly worth it, offering the quality and performance increases that really make it worth the additional costs.

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Post by: TBR on February 09, 2006, 07:01:49 PM
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QuoteWon't this just confuse buyers?  Cadillac is bad enough with the SRX and XLR being so similar.
You bet it will.
I'd hate to be a Lincoln salesmen next year.
Why? No one is going to remember the Zephyr name except for us and it isn't exactly our kind of car.
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Post by: so cal cookie on February 09, 2006, 07:29:14 PM
QuoteWhy? No one is going to remember the Zephyr name except for us and it isn't exactly our kind of car.
Because Lincoln spent millions getting the name "Zephyr" into consumer's heads, only to change it 6 months into the model run.
When a customer walks onto the lot and asks for the Zephyr, the salseman has to say "Lincoln doesn't make the Zephyr anymore, but I have this MKZ instead."  Some people honestly won't make the connection that it's the same car, and will think the salesman is trying to sell them an entirely different car. :ph34r:  
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Post by: Submariner on February 09, 2006, 07:51:23 PM
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QuoteLincoln is doomed :(
Beat me to it. :P   I'm starting to feel like Andrew Kear. :nono:
Troll.  :rolleyes:














;)  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: TBR on February 09, 2006, 07:54:03 PM
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QuoteWhy? No one is going to remember the Zephyr name except for us and it isn't exactly our kind of car.
Because Lincoln spent millions getting the name "Zephyr" into consumer's heads, only to change it 6 months into the model run.
When a customer walks onto the lot and asks for the Zephyr, the salseman has to say "Lincoln doesn't make the Zephyr anymore, but I have this MKZ instead."  Some people honestly won't make the connection that it's the same car, and will think the salesman is trying to sell them an entirely different car. :ph34r:
I just don't see that happening. People won't remember the name because it is odd and hasn't gotten just a whole lot of exposure.
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Post by: TurboDan on February 13, 2006, 09:20:37 PM
QuoteNo more so than the similar alphanumeric names of other manufacturers do (i.e.: G35 and M35; GS350; IS350, and RX350; and 530i and 330i).
Infiniti suffers from the same syndrome, to an extent.  But, alphanumeric names can be very easy in the case of the BMW numbers and MB letters.  When your entire model lineup sounds almost exactly the same, who's going to remember it?
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: giant_mtb on February 14, 2006, 05:13:08 AM
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QuoteNo more so than the similar alphanumeric names of other manufacturers do (i.e.: G35 and M35; GS350; IS350, and RX350; and 530i and 330i).
Infiniti suffers from the same syndrome, to an extent.  But, alphanumeric names can be very easy in the case of the BMW numbers and MB letters.  When your entire model lineup sounds almost exactly the same, who's going to remember it?
I still get all the BMWs and MBs mixed up.  330i this, 335cjwuj27 that, S500 the other thing, S6032 that one thing...  :ph34r:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ichi_ban1 on February 14, 2006, 11:59:27 AM
Lincoln needs help. Period.
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Post by: Raza on February 14, 2006, 02:46:54 PM
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QuoteNo more so than the similar alphanumeric names of other manufacturers do (i.e.: G35 and M35; GS350; IS350, and RX350; and 530i and 330i).
Infiniti suffers from the same syndrome, to an extent.  But, alphanumeric names can be very easy in the case of the BMW numbers and MB letters.  When your entire model lineup sounds almost exactly the same, who's going to remember it?
I still get all the BMWs and MBs mixed up.  330i this, 335cjwuj27 that, S500 the other thing, S6032 that one thing...  :ph34r:
What are you?  Retarded?
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Post by: TBR on February 14, 2006, 11:15:50 PM
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QuoteNo more so than the similar alphanumeric names of other manufacturers do (i.e.: G35 and M35; GS350; IS350, and RX350; and 530i and 330i).
Infiniti suffers from the same syndrome, to an extent.  But, alphanumeric names can be very easy in the case of the BMW numbers and MB letters.  When your entire model lineup sounds almost exactly the same, who's going to remember it?
MB's system works exactly the same as Infiniti's <_<: They use the first letter to indicate the size class, with the letters closest to the beginning of the alphabet representing smaller cars and the later ones larger cars and then two numbers to represent engine displacement. The only difference is that Benz tacks on a 0 to the end. and doesn't use as good of a spread of letters. Additionally, in suv designations they add a L after the first letter, which doesn't make nearly as much sense as the X Infiniti uses. Except for their SUVs BMW uses the exact same system, except they use a number instead of a letter for the first character.

But, that really isn't hard to understand at all, what is hard to understand is when manufactures try to turn real genuine names into alphanumeric combinations. If you didn't know that the C stood for Catera, the D for Deville, and the S for Seville you would think that the STS is the biggest, most luxurious sedan GM offers, while in reality the DTS is. That's the same problem with Lincoln's new system, except it is even worse since they are keeping two names around.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 15, 2006, 06:23:35 PM
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QuoteNo more so than the similar alphanumeric names of other manufacturers do (i.e.: G35 and M35; GS350; IS350, and RX350; and 530i and 330i).
Infiniti suffers from the same syndrome, to an extent.  But, alphanumeric names can be very easy in the case of the BMW numbers and MB letters.  When your entire model lineup sounds almost exactly the same, who's going to remember it?
MB's system works exactly the same as Infiniti's <_<: They use the first letter to indicate the size class, with the letters closest to the beginning of the alphabet representing smaller cars and the later ones larger cars and then two numbers to represent engine displacement. The only difference is that Benz tacks on a 0 to the end. and doesn't use as good of a spread of letters. Additionally, in suv designations they add a L after the first letter, which doesn't make nearly as much sense as the X Infiniti uses. Except for their SUVs BMW uses the exact same system, except they use a number instead of a letter for the first character.

But, that really isn't hard to understand at all, what is hard to understand is when manufactures try to turn real genuine names into alphanumeric combinations. If you didn't know that the C stood for Catera, the D for Deville, and the S for Seville you would think that the STS is the biggest, most luxurious sedan GM offers, while in reality the DTS is. That's the same problem with Lincoln's new system, except it is even worse since they are keeping two names around.
Lincoln says they're doing it to increase brand equity.  BS, they're just joining the crowd.  Names were a way to set them apart.  When you say you drive a Navigator, everyone knows its a Lincoln, same with the Town Car.

Growing up, whenever anyone asked what car the parents had, when I said Fleetwood, everyone knew instantly in was a Cadillac, they never asked twice.  Now when I say STS, some know its a Cadillac, others don't, and the ones that do are usually confused as to size.  I've noticed many people get the STS and CTS confused, and some even think they're the same car.  That didn't happen when Cadillac used names, everyone knew Seville was midsize and DeVille was huge.

Look at all the equity Acura had in the Legend name, and since they switched to RL, the car has never enjoyed the same success.

Names were so much easier, and they sounded better as well.  Some may deride me, but I miss the Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance from my childhood, sure its a mouthfull, but what a name.....
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: mazda6er on February 15, 2006, 06:39:29 PM
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QuoteNo more so than the similar alphanumeric names of other manufacturers do (i.e.: G35 and M35; GS350; IS350, and RX350; and 530i and 330i).
Infiniti suffers from the same syndrome, to an extent.  But, alphanumeric names can be very easy in the case of the BMW numbers and MB letters.  When your entire model lineup sounds almost exactly the same, who's going to remember it?
I still get all the BMWs and MBs mixed up.  330i this, 335cjwuj27 that, S500 the other thing, S6032 that one thing...  :ph34r:
What are you?  Retarded?
Yeah, Raza. They make him wear a helmet.  :rolleyes:  
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Post by: Tom on February 15, 2006, 08:36:43 PM
(http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/crankyankers/characters/cy_specialed_m4.jpg)
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Post by: so cal cookie on February 15, 2006, 08:50:37 PM
I was thinking about this today as I saw an Acura Legend.
I seems to me Lincoln (and GM with Pontiac) are making the assumption that people are buying European cars because of the names.
No. :banghead:
They are buying them because they are great products.  Was the Camry a crappy car when it was introduced?  Probably.  Did Toyota change the name every 10 years because they were producing an OK product? No.  They stuck with it, and it's one of the first cars that pops into you're head when someone says reliable family sedan.
Ford and GM should be denied the ability to change the names of their cars.  It created confusion amongst buyers, and doesn't give the car a chance to build a reputaion.  

Having names also gives the maker the oppertunity to inject some passion into TV ads.  You can say the name Zephyr and say it with a passion that you can't do with MKZ.  Besides, no one is going to read it as "Mark-Z" if that's what Lincoln wants.  Everyone's going to say "em-kay-zee."
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Post by: Car Zeus on February 16, 2006, 06:14:51 AM
So they changed a name big deal.


How about Lincoln start changing and bringing innovation to their dead interiors.
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Post by: TBR on February 16, 2006, 09:01:28 AM
That is actualy the one department Lincoln is good in, have you seen the new Navigators interior? :o
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Post by: 93JC on February 16, 2006, 01:42:23 PM
QuoteYou can say the name Zephyr and say it with a passion that you can't do with MKZ.  Besides, no one is going to read it as "Mark-Z" if that's what Lincoln wants.  Everyone's going to say "em-kay-zee."
ZED!!!
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Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 05:32:09 PM
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QuoteYou can say the name Zephyr and say it with a passion that you can't do with MKZ.  Besides, no one is going to read it as "Mark-Z" if that's what Lincoln wants.  Everyone's going to say "em-kay-zee."
ZED!!!
I read it as "em kay zed" also.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: TBR on February 16, 2006, 05:44:05 PM
z is not pronounced zed :rolleyes:
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Post by: RJM on February 16, 2006, 05:52:36 PM
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QuoteYou can say the name Zephyr and say it with a passion that you can't do with MKZ.? Besides, no one is going to read it as "Mark-Z" if that's what Lincoln wants.? Everyone's going to say "em-kay-zee."
ZED!!!
I read it as "em kay zed" also.
Then that's a 350 ZED in your signature, i suppose.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 05:56:11 PM
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QuoteYou can say the name Zephyr and say it with a passion that you can't do with MKZ.  Besides, no one is going to read it as "Mark-Z" if that's what Lincoln wants.  Everyone's going to say "em-kay-zee."
ZED!!!
I read it as "em kay zed" also.
Then that's a 350 ZED in your signature, i suppose.
That's what I say.  :)
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: TBR on February 16, 2006, 06:24:42 PM
Then whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
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Post by: mazda6er on February 16, 2006, 06:26:29 PM
QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
Come now, let's not sell him short, I'm sure he sounds retarded for other reasons as well.  
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Post by: TBR on February 16, 2006, 06:31:31 PM
He probably uses a fake British accent too :rolleyes:
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 06:43:04 PM
QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
I'd watched so much British television, it really began to burrow its way into my vocabulary.  When I would say "350Z" or "Z4" or "Z3" it was "zed", and then "zed" just got everywhere.  

Hell, everyone else in the world says zed.  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: TBR on February 16, 2006, 06:44:29 PM
Well they're all wrong :P . It just doesn't make sense to say 'zed' instead of 'zee'.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 06:57:52 PM
QuoteWell they're all wrong :P . It just doesn't make sense to say 'zed' instead of 'zee'.
It's become habit for me now.  There's really nothing I can do about it.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: so cal cookie on February 16, 2006, 07:19:46 PM
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QuoteYou can say the name Zephyr and say it with a passion that you can't do with MKZ.  Besides, no one is going to read it as "Mark-Z" if that's what Lincoln wants.  Everyone's going to say "em-kay-zee."
ZED!!!
I KNEW you were going to that! :lol:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: thewizard16 on February 16, 2006, 07:20:40 PM
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QuoteWell they're all wrong :P . It just doesn't make sense to say 'zed' instead of 'zee'.
It's become habit for me now.  There's really nothing I can do about it.
I've found a hammer and/or a fall from a high place is a good way to "reset" the memory. :hammerhead:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: mazda6er on February 16, 2006, 07:32:49 PM
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QuoteWell they're all wrong :P . It just doesn't make sense to say 'zed' instead of 'zee'.
It's become habit for me now.  There's really nothing I can do about it.
I've found a hammer and/or a fall from a high place is a good way to "reset" the memory. :hammerhead:
Being kicked by a mule works well, too.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 07:38:04 PM
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QuoteWell they're all wrong :P . It just doesn't make sense to say 'zed' instead of 'zee'.
It's become habit for me now.  There's really nothing I can do about it.
I've found a hammer and/or a fall from a high place is a good way to "reset" the memory. :hammerhead:
Being kicked by a mule works well, too.
I'm not letting you kick me.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: mazda6er on February 16, 2006, 07:39:49 PM
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QuoteWell they're all wrong :P . It just doesn't make sense to say 'zed' instead of 'zee'.
It's become habit for me now.  There's really nothing I can do about it.
I've found a hammer and/or a fall from a high place is a good way to "reset" the memory. :hammerhead:
Being kicked by a mule works well, too.
I'm not letting you kick me.
I'm not a mule, I'm a jackass. There is a difference.  :lol:  
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Post by: omicron on February 16, 2006, 07:42:28 PM
QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:  
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Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 07:50:35 PM
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QuoteWell they're all wrong :P . It just doesn't make sense to say 'zed' instead of 'zee'.
It's become habit for me now.  There's really nothing I can do about it.
I've found a hammer and/or a fall from a high place is a good way to "reset" the memory. :hammerhead:
Being kicked by a mule works well, too.
I'm not letting you kick me.
I'm not a mule, I'm a jackass. There is a difference.  :lol:
Dumb, stubborn, slow, and can't reproduce.

Sounds like you, Mark.  And you let fat sweaty amusement park men ride you.
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Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 07:51:03 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 16, 2006, 08:59:38 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: omicron on February 16, 2006, 09:02:40 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Stuck on C&D, perhaps?  :lol:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 16, 2006, 09:22:05 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Stuck on C&D, perhaps?  :lol:
Perhaps....

Can only hope....
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Post by: Tom on February 16, 2006, 09:26:31 PM
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ZED!!!
I read it as "em kay zed" also.
Then that's a 350 ZED in your signature, i suppose.
That's what I say.  :)
No you don't!
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Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 09:40:45 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Of course not!  The English are my friends.  My pompous friends.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 16, 2006, 09:47:08 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Of course not!  The English are my friends.  My pompous friends.
My English friends aren't pompous all the time, although they frequently project that attitude of bored superiorty.

Go figure!
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Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 09:50:32 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Of course not!  The English are my friends.  My pompous friends.
My English friends aren't pompous all the time, although they frequently project that attitude of bored superiorty.

Go figure!
My English friend is actually very down to earth.  When he heard that Americans perceive the Brits as haughty, he was absolutely appalled.  He had no idea.  
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Post by: RJM on February 16, 2006, 09:54:17 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Of course not!  The English are my friends.  My pompous friends.
My English friends aren't pompous all the time, although they frequently project that attitude of bored superiorty.

Go figure!
My English friend is actually very down to earth.  When he heard that Americans perceive the Brits as haughty, he was absolutely appalled.  He had no idea.
Most of mine are as well.  Although several find July 4 amusing.  They always ask "how do you know we weren't happy to be rid of you??"

Currently we're all re-living high school memories by watching the Young Ones.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: TBR on February 16, 2006, 09:59:08 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Of course not!  The English are my friends.  My pompous friends.
My English friends aren't pompous all the time, although they frequently project that attitude of bored superiorty.

Go figure!
My English friend is actually very down to earth.  When he heard that Americans perceive the Brits as haughty, he was absolutely appalled.  He had no idea.
Most of mine are as well.  Although several find July 4 amusing.  They always ask "how do you know we weren't happy to be rid of you??"

Currently we're all re-living high school memories by watching the Young Ones.
Perhaps because of the war... :P

Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: omicron on February 16, 2006, 10:01:18 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Of course not!  The English are my friends.  My pompous friends.
My English friends aren't pompous all the time, although they frequently project that attitude of bored superiorty.

Go figure!
My English friend is actually very down to earth.  When he heard that Americans perceive the Brits as haughty, he was absolutely appalled.  He had no idea.
Most of mine are as well.  Although several find July 4 amusing.  They always ask "how do you know we weren't happy to be rid of you??"

Currently we're all re-living high school memories by watching the Young Ones.
Perhaps because of the war... :P
:clap:  :clap:  :clap:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 16, 2006, 10:04:08 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Of course not!  The English are my friends.  My pompous friends.
My English friends aren't pompous all the time, although they frequently project that attitude of bored superiorty.

Go figure!
My English friend is actually very down to earth.  When he heard that Americans perceive the Brits as haughty, he was absolutely appalled.  He had no idea.
Most of mine are as well.  Although several find July 4 amusing.  They always ask "how do you know we weren't happy to be rid of you??"

Currently we're all re-living high school memories by watching the Young Ones.
Perhaps because of the war... :P
Never can get a straight answer out of them..... ;)  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 16, 2006, 10:28:31 PM
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QuoteThen whenever you mention the 350z you sound retarded.
ZED 4, MARK ZED, 350 ZED

I'm retarded as well  :lol:
:clap:  :clap:

Australians and Canadians..you can count on them!
Don't forget the English.  After all, where would civilized society be without them! :P
Of course not!  The English are my friends.  My pompous friends.
My English friends aren't pompous all the time, although they frequently project that attitude of bored superiorty.

Go figure!
My English friend is actually very down to earth.  When he heard that Americans perceive the Brits as haughty, he was absolutely appalled.  He had no idea.
Most of mine are as well.  Although several find July 4 amusing.  They always ask "how do you know we weren't happy to be rid of you??"

Currently we're all re-living high school memories by watching the Young Ones.
Perhaps because of the war... :P
:clap:  :clap:  :clap:
:rockon:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Atomic on February 18, 2006, 05:54:44 PM
QuoteNot really a big deal. Now, if they kill the Navigator or Town Car names, then it is a big deal.
i disagree! a lot of money went into the new name. read me: A LOT OF $$$! lincoln must have egg on it's face w/ the abrupt  name change! this is sh*t :rage: !!!
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: TBR on February 18, 2006, 06:03:14 PM
First, once again, not a lot of money went in to the name. I have only seen a couple of commercials for the Zephyer. Additionally, with such a new nameplate (yes, I know it technically isn't new but it hasn't been used in years) people will remember the car, not the name.

Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 18, 2006, 06:29:54 PM
I haven't seen many TV commercials, but I've seen ads for the car on every major car-oriented website and in both C/D and Motor Trend.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 18, 2006, 07:13:37 PM
I've been surprised by the amount of tv ads I've seen.  But I can't imagine Lincoln not having made the decision to change the cars name quickly.  Then again, why would they send it to market knowing they were going to change the name.

Although of the handful I've seen in traffic, all have been rentals.  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 18, 2006, 07:16:52 PM
They probably had all those "Zephyr" badges stamped out already.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 18, 2006, 07:33:27 PM
QuoteThey probably had all those "Zephyr" badges stamped out already.
Never thought of that, but certainly is plausible....
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 18, 2006, 07:39:50 PM
I don't buy that explanation. They just didn't decide to move to alphanumeric names until after the Zephyr was released, and then they had to give it a model year.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 18, 2006, 07:51:44 PM
QuoteI don't buy that explanation. They just didn't decide to move to alphanumeric names until after the Zephyr was released, and then they had to give it a model year.
Still...it seems odd that a company would introduce an entirely new product, build awareness for said product and then rename it so quickly.  Why not wait a couple of years and rename at the same time the vehicle is given a freshening?
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 19, 2006, 05:22:47 AM
They are in fact giving it a freshening along with the new name (different grille, some different interior materials, new engine). I just don't think they had decided on alphanumeric names until after the Zephyr was already on sale, and then decided that they wanted most 2007 models to lose real names.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: Raza on February 19, 2006, 07:51:18 AM
QuoteI don't buy that explanation. They just didn't decide to move to alphanumeric names until after the Zephyr was released, and then they had to give it a model year.
I was being pretty sarcastic at the time.
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 19, 2006, 08:02:30 AM
Yes, but it certainly didn't seem like RJM was.  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: RJM on February 19, 2006, 03:44:52 PM
QuoteYes, but it certainly didn't seem like RJM was.
I was and I wasn't.

When I'm being REALLY sarcastic, you'll know it! :praise:  
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: thewizard16 on February 21, 2006, 12:03:39 AM
Question, if they canned the Zephyr name, why are they running commercials for it as the Zephyr? Isn't this going to make it even more confusing for other people when they change the name?
Title: Zephyr name canned
Post by: ifcar on February 21, 2006, 04:16:19 AM
They still have to sell the 06s.