Well me and my father went this saturday to look at some first cars for myself...my father is really against used cars so i get a new one, lucky
since we only have one car in teh family so far so anyway we looked at a few oprions, and my dad really like the civic coupe and i did too, i want
the Si but there is a waiting list and manual would be quite hard since my mom doesnt know how to drive stick if she needs it, plus its my first car
and my parents want me to have aut as a first car. So so far we're pretty much down to the Civic ex coupe, the volvo s40 and the mini
cooper...are there any more i could include, we sort of ruled mazda3 and the new camry and the corolla out.. so any "positive" info would help
lease and thanks :ohyeah:
Nothing wrong with a Civic Coupe and they actually look good, unlike the sedan.
Why did you rule out the 3, its a great car.
I drove a 4 door 2.3 automatic mazda 3 when i was at the mazda dealer(drove it to get a feel for the cars size, i was looking at the MS3).
Anyway i found it to be really nice, the 2.3 and the 5 speed auto match nicely and for a "economy" car it was pretty nice.
I wouldn't rule that out.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on October 21, 2006, 08:21:52 PM
Why did you rule out the 3, its a great car.
I drove a 4 door 2.3 automatic mazda 3 when i was at the mazda dealer(drove it to get a feel for the cars size, i was looking at the MS3).
Anyway i found it to be really nice, the 2.3 and the 5 speed auto match nicely and for a "economy" car it was pretty nice.
I wouldn't rule that out.
okay well perhaps my dad and i will take that back into consideration, id prefer the hatch over the sedan though, thanks
Since you can't get a manual I'd atleast look for an auto with a good shifting feature.
Quote from: Maksx on October 21, 2006, 08:28:12 PM
okay well perhaps my dad and i will take that back into consideration, id prefer the hatch over the sedan though, thanks
I just picked one to check driver space, but i agree a hatch is nicer not to mention the added cargo versatility.
Should be in the price range of the civic, maybe alittle nicer equipped considering the small premium honda's normally have.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on October 21, 2006, 08:29:40 PM
I just picked one to check driver space, but i agree a hatch is nicer not to mention the added cargo versatility.
Should be in the price range of the civic, maybe alittle nicer equipped considering the small premium honda's normally have.
hmmm mazadspeed3 :)
edit:
Mazda3
Quote from: touareg208 on October 21, 2006, 09:13:51 PM
In my opinion buying a 17 year old kid (especially you who's failed his driver's test;)) a new car even before he has his license.... or a brand-new car as a first car even if you DO get your license soon, is stupid. I've already told you that, and I'm sure most of the guys on the forum will agree. A pre-owned car from a reputable dealership is a much better bet than a new one, and will save you tons of money and even the initial depreciation.
why do you always attack me bro?
i cant stress the number of times ive said..i cant get used...ive already been told that...besides, its not like its coming out of you pocket so why
should money concern you...i need an opinoon rather...so please, either give a "positive" suggestion that falls within these guidlines.....or
kindly stay out of this thread, please im trying to be ncie about it, dont bash
thank you,
Maksx
I think your first plan of attack should be to get insurance quotes for every single vehicle that is a contender. Being a young male with no driving experience, your insurance will not be cheap. My guess is the Volvo will be the cheapest as far as insurance costs. But get some numbers, and that may determine what you end up with.
That's a pretty, um, eclectic list of possibilities you've got there. :confused:
I'm not sure why the 3 is ruled out, while the S40 is an option. The Focus is totally out of the picture for some reason it seems? How do you feel about a Rio hatch? Scion TC? Maybe even an Eclipse? I really don't know what your criteria is/preferences are, so it's hard to make any recommendations...could you fill us in? I assume you want something sporty and "young"?
Maksx, wtf is wrong with the spacing in your posts. They are almost unreadable.
I say Mazda 3.
Quote from: SaltyDog on October 21, 2006, 08:29:07 PM
Since you can't get a manual I'd atleast look for an auto with a good shifting feature.
I dunno, but I've never encountered an Auto with a shifting feature that I bothered to use after the first five minutes. It just feels awkward.
Quote from: mazda6er on October 21, 2006, 11:06:17 PM
That's a pretty, um, eclectic list of possibilities you've got there. :confused:
I'm not sure why the 3 is ruled out, while the S40 is an option. The Focus is totally out of the picture for some reason it seems? How do you feel about a Rio hatch? Scion TC? Maybe even an Eclipse? I really don't know what your criteria is/preferences are, so it's hard to make any recommendations...could you fill us in? I assume you want something sporty and "young"?
focus is fine, il look and tc they dont sell in canada i belive and eclipse sounds good thanks :)
and very sorry jadewolf...i like double spacing (makes it easier to read), sorry though ill try and get back to single space.
EDIT: and by popular demand the mazda 3 is back on the list ppl! :ohyeah:
The Eclipse is crap. It's overpriced and its only strength is the V6 power, which I imagine is out of your price range. Insurance will be terrible, too.
Make sure you consider the Mazda3 (cheaper S40), Focus (cheaper Mazda3), and VW Rabbit.
No, he should not consider the Focus;). Rabbit and Mazda3 are good choices though. Focii are crap, and basically he shouldn't buy a NEW domestic. Since he's buying a new car, he should get an import (and I'm pretty sure he wants to), because that way the depreciation won't hit him that hard.
Quote from: ifcar on October 22, 2006, 06:36:51 AM
The Eclipse is crap. It's overpriced and its only strength is the V6 power, which I imagine is out of your price range. Insurance will be terrible, too.
Make sure you consider the Mazda3 (cheaper S40), Focus (cheaper Mazda3), and VW Rabbit.
Yeah, but he's young, he cares about image. And I think it's stretching it a little to call the Eclipse crap. Perhaps "overrated" or "style over substance", but not crap. The high school chicks will dig it. :tounge: That's the only reason I suggested that, just as a wildcard I guess. I'm sure his parents are intelligent enough to weed out the good from the bad should they test drive one.
Since you have to get an Automatic, I think my top suggestions would be:
Mazda 3 5-door - Nice engine torque, 5-speed auto
VW Rabbit - Fun to drive, strong engine, 6-speed auto
If you could somehow talk them into getting a stickshift, I would consider the above plus add:
Cobalt SS (not supercharged) - 2.4i engine has good power and reasonably good fuel economy
Pontiac G5 GT - Same as the Cobalt, but maybe you would like the Style better
Civic - Small engine is well-matched to its nice manual transmission
Impreza RS - AWD would be a plu in Canada I think
Ford Focus - Incredibly inexpensive, really good ride/handling
Or if you are willing to spend a bit more (since you mentioned an Si and S40):
S40 - More expensive version of the Mazda 3
Jetta 2.0T - If you had to get an automatic, at least with this you could get the DSG...absolutely best automatic in a mainstream car
Audi A3 - Same basic car as the Jetta but more upscale + hatchback
Quote from: touareg208 on October 22, 2006, 07:54:37 AM
No, he should not consider the Focus;). Rabbit and Mazda3 are good choices though. Focii are crap, and basically he shouldn't buy a NEW domestic. Since he's buying a new car, he should get an import (and I'm pretty sure he wants to), because that way the depreciation won't hit him that hard.
Not a very intelligent post, sorry. :ohyeah: Focii are fine. Well, not just fine. They're still far above average in their class and a good value to boot. I'm pretty certain they have above average reliability as well.
I agree with you, except here in Toronto, the Focus has absolutely no style factor, no cool factor, and for a 17-year old looking for a first car, I'm betting he wants it to be stylish. Also, in his high budget of the high $20Ks (Canadian), he can do a lot better than a Focus.
Rabbit!
Rabbit is good...but wouldn't VW reliability kill him? How about a Matrix 4WD?
Quote from: touareg208 on October 22, 2006, 08:30:53 AM
I agree with you, except here in Toronto, the Focus has absolutely no style factor, no cool factor, and for a 17-year old looking for a first car, I'm betting he wants it to be stylish. Also, in his high budget of the high $20Ks (Canadian), he can do a lot better than a Focus.
The Focus is a nice car, a lot of young people around here drive them with no "style" issues.
My honest opinion for his first car is to go buy a $500 beater. Very few people take care of their first car, and it's probably just going to to be abused and wrecked anyway. My first car cost me $400, and I drove it for two years.
Quote from: The Pirate on October 22, 2006, 02:49:06 PM
The Focus is a nice car, a lot of young people around here drive them with no "style" issues.
My honest opinion for his first car is to go buy a $500 beater. Very few people take care of their first car, and it's probably just going to to be abused and wrecked anyway. My first car cost me $400, and I drove it for two years.
lol i totally understand, now i know probably every teen says this, but i will be the few who take care of my car....trust me i have a pretty strict father...so if if its not in good condition all teh time *smack*...
anywya yeah i even watched this segment on top gear....100 pound cars ...lol they ran pretty well
one of my friend bought an inifniti i35 for $1000 and now being pimary driver he has to pay about $2500 of insurance every 6 months..lol even more than the car :P
Must be an I30, not an I35, the I35 is 2002+ I believe.
Why in the world do your parents not want you to drive stick??????????
I really don't get it. What's wrong about this? I think one should start driving stick, otherwise one might have problems to drive it later...
That they don't want you to drive a used one is weired, too, but I can understand it a little bit (as long as they pay it shouldn't be your problem...).
All I'd recommend as a first car would be used ones...
Since you live in the USA I don't know much about the new car market there. But: Get yourself something cheap! When you're young you like to push your car hardly and there might get something broke. I was lucky until now (really lucky), but if you wreck something expensive, you'll have a problem.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 22, 2006, 07:54:37 AM
No, he should not consider the Focus;). Rabbit and Mazda3 are good choices though. Focii are crap, and basically he shouldn't buy a NEW domestic. Since he's buying a new car, he should get an import (and I'm pretty sure he wants to), because that way the depreciation won't hit him that hard.
The Focus may be cheap, but it isn't crap. VW's reliability record is nothing to write home about.
Quote from: pommes-t on October 22, 2006, 03:23:33 PM
Why in the world do your parents not want you to drive stick??????????
I really don't get it. What's wrong about this? I think one should start driving stick, otherwise one might have problems to drive it later...
That they don't want you to drive a used one is weired, too, but I can understand it a little bit (as long as they pay it shouldn't be your problem...).
All I'd recommend as a first car would be used ones...
Since you live in the USA I don't know much about the new car market there. But: Get yourself something cheap! When you're young you like to push your car hardly and there might get something broke. I was lucky until now (really lucky), but if you wreck something expensive, you'll have a problem.
i live in canada actually but yeah i understand...to bad they dont sell polos here
Quote from: Maksx on October 22, 2006, 03:32:42 PM
i live in canada actually but yeah i understand...to bad they dont sell polos here
You've made my day! :lol:
(http://autoreview.belproject.com/media/1/20060714-2007-vw-volkswagen-polo-gti-cup-edition-back.jpg)
Quote from: Maksx on October 22, 2006, 02:58:22 PM
lol i totally understand, now i know probably every teen says this, but i will be the few who take care of my car....trust me i have a pretty strict father...so if if its not in good condition all teh time *smack*...
anywya yeah i even watched this segment on top gear....100 pound cars ...lol they ran pretty well
one of my friend bought an inifniti i35 for $1000 and now being pimary driver he has to pay about $2500 of insurance every 6 months..lol even more than the car :P
Well, definitely get some insurance quotes before you buy anything. In theUSA, Mazdas aren't the cheapest car to insure. If it was me, I would probably go for a Focus ZX3 or ZX5.
Quote from: The Pirate on October 22, 2006, 03:37:37 PM
Well, definitely get some insurance quotes before you buy anything.? In theUSA, Mazdas aren't the cheapest car to insure.? If it was me, I would probably go for a Focus ZX3 or ZX5.
Mine is for sale, never raced or anything, I swear. I'll cut you a special deal since you're a Carspinner? :ohyeah:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=210997465&dealer_id=58692449&car_year=2005&search_type=both&num_records=25&make=FORD&model=FOCUS&transmission=&distance=25&address=29154&make2=&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&bkms=1161553314761&max_price=&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2005&color=&start_year=2005&drive=&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=0
Quote from: NACar on October 22, 2006, 03:43:33 PM
Mine is for sale, never raced or anything, I swear. I'll cut you a special deal since you're a Carspinner :ohyeah:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=210997465&dealer_id=58692449&car_year=2005&search_type=both&num_records=25&make=FORD&model=FOCUS&transmission=&distance=25&address=29154&make2=&advanced=&certified=&max_mileage=&bkms=1161553314761&max_price=&sort_type=priceDESC&min_price=&body_code=0&end_year=2005&color=&start_year=2005&drive=&engine=&fuel=&doors=&style_flag=1&cardist=0
It's a nice car, and it looks badass flying through the dirt in your sig pic (not racing, of course :lol:) I'm not really in the market for a car right now though.
how much would it cost to insure a veyron for a teenager? :devil:
Quote from: The Pirate on October 22, 2006, 03:37:37 PM
Well, definitely get some insurance quotes before you buy anything. In theUSA, Mazdas aren't the cheapest car to insure.
The Mazda3 is the best-selling car in Canada, or at least it was, so it probably doesn't have the same sporty-car-for-young-people insurance rates as it may have here.
Quote from: ifcar on October 22, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
The Mazda3 is the best-selling car in Canada, or at least it was, so it probably doesn't have the same sporty-car-for-young-people insurance rates as it may have here.
I did not know that. I'm starting to see more and more 3's around though. Haven't had a chance to ride in one though.
My comment about Mazda insurance stems from the fact that I did get quotes for an 02 Protege ES and a Protege5 a few months back and it was a couple hundred bucks a year higher than what I pay now for a Civic. The Mazdas had a lot more options and were newer though, that probably made a difference.
Quote from: The Pirate on October 22, 2006, 03:51:37 PM
It's a nice car, and it looks badass flying through the dirt in your sig pic (not racing, of course :lol:)? I'm not really in the market for a car right now though.
Yeah I know. I'm almost ready to take a loss and go to a dealer for a trade in. I haven't even got one call on it yet nd it's been up for sale for almost 2 weeks. I know it doesn't make financial sense, but nothing I do ever does. I'm so impatient. :P
I'd say you're asking too much for it. I've probably said this before, but when my parents were buying the same car (05 ZX3 S 5-speed), they got it new for just over $10,000. You can probably get an 07 now for not much more. No one will pay that much for a car that's two years and 32k miles older and has an ugly scratch on the bumper.
Do you have a CarMax store near you? They do free, no-obligations appraisals of used cars, and if nothing else, it would be something to gauge possible value by.
Quote from: ifcar on October 22, 2006, 04:17:56 PM
I'd say you're asking too much for it. I've probably said this before, but when my parents were buying the same car (05 ZX3 S 5-speed), they got it new for just over $10,000. You can probably get an 07 now for not much more. No one will pay that much for a car that's two years and 32k miles older and has an ugly scratch on the bumper.
Do you have a CarMax store near you? They do free, no-obligations appraisals of used cars, and if nothing else, it would be something to gauge possible value by.
Carmax said $6500, they were also trying sell a couple of 2000 Miatas for $15k. I must say Carmax is like the Walmart of used cars. I asked for a tour of the facility, and it's impressive how effecient it is. I do like how honest they were, but there's no way I would pay their "no haggle" prices. They obviously make a lot of money.
I can't afford to sell it at the Carmax price (negative equity :banghead:).
I could do down to $7800 right now.? $8300 is below KBB and NADA, but not Edmunds TMV which is around $7500 IIRC.
I know for a fact it will be harder to sell because it's a 5spd and has no options except A/C. Manual windows/locks, etc. Most people are suprised they even makes cars like that anymore.
Before pricing it I did search the area w/in 100 miles or so, and my Focus is the cheapest one around.
Quote from: NACar on October 22, 2006, 04:31:10 PM
I know for a fact it will be harder to sell because it's a 5spd and has no options except A/C. Manual windows/locks, etc. Most people are suprised they even makes cars like that anymore.
My car is the same way. I've got A/C and nothing else. No cruise control even. I wouldn't mind having cruise, but I could take or leave the other stuff. It just adds complexity and is one more thing to break.
Quote from: ifcar on October 22, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
The Mazda3 is the best-selling car in Canada, or at least it was, so it probably doesn't have the same sporty-car-for-young-people insurance rates as it may have here.
wasnt it a civic?
Quote from: TBR on October 22, 2006, 03:09:12 PM
Must be an I30, not an I35, the I35 is 2002+ I believe.
I know the guy he's talking about, and yes it's an ancient I30t... and it's horribly rusted out and in shit condition ;)
I thought about a used I35 for awhile, nice cars. The heated seats(front AND REAR) and heated steering wheel are nice up here in minnesota.
Quote from: Maksx on October 21, 2006, 08:10:42 PM
Well me and my father went this saturday to look at some first cars for myself...my father is really against used cars so i get a new one, lucky
since we only have one car in teh family so far so anyway we looked at a few oprions, and my dad really like the civic coupe and i did too, i want
the Si but there is a waiting list and manual would be quite hard since my mom doesnt know how to drive stick if she needs it, plus its my first car
and my parents want me to have aut as a first car. So so far we're pretty much down to the Civic ex coupe, the volvo s40 and the mini
cooper...are there any more i could include, we sort of ruled mazda3 and the new camry and the corolla out.. so any "positive" info would help
lease and thanks? :ohyeah:
Granted, they're not the most refined cars in their class nor the roomiest. They are not the highest-quality, either.? But the Cobalt SS and G5/Pursuit coupes are not bad-looking, they've got a decent ride/handling mix and the 2.4-liter engine should give them decent pep even with the automatic transmission.? Their prices seem reasonable, too.
Quote from: 850CSi on October 22, 2006, 12:57:49 AM
I dunno, but I've never encountered an Auto with a shifting feature that I bothered to use after the first five minutes. It just feels awkward.
I use mine 100% of the time.
Quote from: Raza on October 22, 2006, 09:45:19 PM
I use mine 100% of the time.
Should have gotten a proper manual transmission then.
;)
Quote from: The Pirate on October 22, 2006, 09:53:50 PM
Should have gotten a proper manual transmission then.
;)
Yes, I should have. But some things are out of my control.
Quote from: Raza on October 22, 2006, 09:57:34 PM
Yes, I should have. But some things are out of my control.
You can't win them all.
It's still a nice car though, I sense that a 1.8T equipped vehicle is in my near future.
What does Pirate drive again?
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on October 22, 2006, 08:10:38 PM
I thought about a used I35 for awhile, nice cars. The heated seats(front AND REAR) and heated steering wheel are nice up here in minnesota.
Completely off topic, I will note some Infiniti Oddities :)
I30/35 - available with heated seats + heated stearing wheel.
Q45 - available with heated seats only.
M45 - available with heated AND cooled seats only.
You could only get these options. The stearing wheel only came with the 'I' series. The flagship Q45 could only get heated seats, while the M45 could get cooled. Neither could get the stearing wheel heat.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 23, 2006, 05:10:27 AM
What does Pirate drive again?
Civic sedan, I do believe.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 23, 2006, 05:10:27 AM
What does Pirate drive again?
Yep, Raza got it. Civic sedan 5 speed
Quote from: touareg208 on October 21, 2006, 09:13:51 PM
edit:
Mazda3
Enough said!
And if that doesn't work, the S40 looks awesome and is Volvo-safe. Live a little, get a Mazda.
Quote from: gasoline on October 23, 2006, 02:41:24 PM
Enough said!
And if that doesn't work, the S40 looks awesome and is Volvo-safe. Live a little, get a Mazda.
The S40 or the Jetta GLi should be on the top of your list Maksx. I retract my previous statement, as you can do much better than a shitty-ass Mazda3, ignoring our Spin Mazda Troll, gasoline ;)
Quote from: touareg208 on October 23, 2006, 02:54:48 PM
The S40 or the Jetta GLi should be on the top of your list Maksx. I retract my previous statement, as you can do much better than a shitty-ass Mazda3, ignoring our Spin Mazda Troll, gasoline ;)
Listen here Camry-boy, the Mazda 3 is by no means shitty!
:devil:
Quote from: Champ on October 23, 2006, 10:02:09 AM
Completely off topic, I will note some Infiniti Oddities :)
I30/35 - available with heated seats + heated stearing wheel.
Q45 - available with heated seats only.
M45 - available with heated AND cooled seats only.
You could only get these options. The stearing wheel only came with the 'I' series. The flagship Q45 could only get heated seats, while the M45 could get cooled. Neither could get the stearing wheel heat.
The Maxima is also available with the heated steering wheel.
Unless luxury is your thing, or you want AWD, I see no reason to get an S40 over a Mazda3. Especially when the MS3/Mazda3 MPS runs two or three grand cheaper than an S40 2.4 FWD.
What about a car like an Impreza 2.5?
WHy don't you convince your dad to let you buy a stickshift and then you could teach your mom. That opens up possibilities, and besides, manuals get better mpg usually.
Well heres the thing....i asked my mom if she wanted to learn....
shes just like "why would i want to learn, i know how to drive automatic, i dont want to elarn anything else"...i was like :confused:
Quote from: touareg208 on October 23, 2006, 02:54:48 PM
The S40 or the Jetta GLi should be on the top of your list Maksx. I retract my previous statement, as you can do much better than a shitty-ass Mazda3, ignoring our Spin Mazda Troll, gasoline ;)
Since when is a Mazda 3 shitty? I'd venture to say it's easily the best car in its class, especially from an enthusiast's point of view.
Quote from: 850CSi on October 24, 2006, 12:18:35 PM
Since when is a Mazda 3 shitty? I'd venture to say it's easily the best car in its class, especially from an enthusiast's point of view.
He's Canadian, he doesn't know any better.
:devil:
Quote from: 850CSi on October 24, 2006, 12:18:35 PM
Since when is a Mazda 3 shitty? I'd venture to say it's easily the best car in its class, especially from an enthusiast's point of view.
Well it's not shitty PER SE, but in his budget of mid-to-high $20Ks, he can do MUCH better. My family friend has a cognac Mazda3 GS sedan and a mutual friend of mine and Maksx's has a fully loaded white 3 hatch, and neither is particularly satisfying. The Civic EX is a much better option IMHO, as is an S40.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 24, 2006, 12:46:02 PM
Well it's not shitty PER SE, but in his budget of mid-to-high $20Ks, he can do MUCH better. My family friend has a cognac Mazda3 GS sedan and a mutual friend of mine and Maksx's has a fully loaded white 3 hatch, and neither is particularly satisfying. The Civic EX is a much better option IMHO, as is an S40.
:nutty:
For touareg, older design = bad and less expensive = bad, without question.
Quote from: ifcar on October 24, 2006, 04:20:18 PM
For touareg, older design = bad and less expensive = bad, without question.
Ah, now he makes sense.
Quote from: Maksx on October 23, 2006, 06:24:15 PM
Well heres the thing....i asked my mom if she wanted to learn....
shes just like "why would i want to learn, i know how to drive automatic, i dont want to elarn anything else"...i was like :confused:
That's a pretty good answer actually :lol:
Quote from: M_power on October 24, 2006, 05:10:30 PM
That's a pretty good answer actually :lol:
shhhhhhh :mask:
Convincing a brown mom about something car-related is like trying to convince Osama Bin Laden that Americans are good people.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 24, 2006, 12:46:02 PM
Well it's not shitty PER SE, but in his budget of mid-to-high $20Ks, he can do MUCH better. My family friend has a cognac Mazda3 GS sedan and a mutual friend of mine and Maksx's has a fully loaded white 3 hatch, and neither is particularly satisfying. The Civic EX is a much better option IMHO, as is an S40.
Neither is very
satisfying? Did you expect them to come with a hooker and a soft drink?
Quote from: touareg208 on October 24, 2006, 12:46:02 PM
Well it's not shitty PER SE, but in his budget of mid-to-high $20Ks, he can do MUCH better. My family friend has a cognac Mazda3 GS sedan and a mutual friend of mine and Maksx's has a fully loaded white 3 hatch, and neither is particularly satisfying. The Civic EX is a much better option IMHO, as is an S40.
You do know that the Civic is more expensive and less involving and that the S40 is basically identical under the skin but also significantly more expensive, right?
Quote from: mazda6er on October 24, 2006, 08:01:19 PM
Neither is very satisfying? Did you expect them to come with a hooker and a soft drink?
Hookah. I have friends that bring a hookah in minivans and put it in the center area between drivers and passengers, smoke it whenever they want. Now that is satisfying.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 24, 2006, 06:16:44 PM
Convincing a brown mom about something car-related is like trying to convince Osama Bin Laden that Americans are good people.
says the man trading in the toureg for a Q7 :mask:
Quote from: Maksx on October 24, 2006, 09:47:02 PM
says the man trading in the toureg for a Q7 :mask:
His parents are trading the Touareg for a Q7? What a horrible move.
He ought to get a Camry V6 SE. On road king, with offroad capabilities enough to worry the most hardcore sport utility vehicles.
Quote from: Raza on October 25, 2006, 09:00:22 AM
His parents are trading the Touareg for a Q7? What a horrible move.
He ought to get a Camry V6 SE. On road king, with offroad capabilities enough to worry the most hardcore sport utility vehicles.
Faggot. Everyone knows that's the XLE.
Quote from: mazda6er on October 25, 2006, 09:31:28 AM
Faggot. Everyone knows that's the XLE.
Dude what are you talking about. The Intrepid is not only a super saloon good enough to dust a 911. I hear it also gives great blowjobs and makes you money.
Quote from: jadewolf123 on October 25, 2006, 10:15:40 AM
Dude what are you talking about. The Intrepid is not only a super saloon good enough to dust a 911. I hear it also gives great blowjobs and makes you money.
Right you are, Bob. Well I think it's time to trade in the 6, then.
LOL...you guys can make fun of me all you want :devil:... I'm only 17 and got the Intrepid dirt cheap. I know it's nowhere near cool but it gets me to where I want to be and looks half decent. Also, with 267hp, it's not exactly slow.
Quote from: Raza on October 25, 2006, 09:00:22 AM
His parents are trading the Touareg for a Q7? What a horrible move.
He ought to get a Camry V6 SE. On road king, with offroad capabilities enough to worry the most hardcore sport utility vehicles.
No we're considering a bunch of SUVs to replace the Touareg. Current list is GL450, Touareg V8, Q7 4.2... but in the end we'll probably just stick with the TDI until 2008 or so.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 25, 2006, 04:57:47 PM
LOL...you guys can make fun of me all you want :devil:... I'm only 17 and got the Intrepid dirt cheap. I know it's nowhere near cool but it gets me to where I want to be and looks half decent. Also, with 267hp, it's not exactly slow.
Dude enough about the fricking 267hp...u bring that up all the time...its a weight to horsepower ratio, and the intrepid is quite a heavy car..also factor the fact that cars have an abilityt to lose hp over time, not that that might have happened yet per se but still
Is the Intrepid modded?
Quote from: Raza on October 25, 2006, 09:19:20 PM
Is the Intrepid modded?
I believe its stock but with a cop engine in it
:wtf:
"Cop engine" my eye. There is no special "cop engine" in the Intrepid. I can only surmise he put a cold-air intake on his car and extracted 267 out of his rectum.
Okay my mistake in the choice of words. I believe to be exact its a SXT trim level (advertised as H-O I think?)engine which is identical to what the cops used.
The HO engine had, depending on year, 242 or 250 hp. SXTs came with the 250 hp version beginning in 2003.
My eye as well.
Quote from: 93JC on October 25, 2006, 09:53:05 PM
The HO engine had, depending on year, 242 or 250 hp. SXTs came with the 250 hp version beginning in 2003.
Then I guess there must be some kind of mod :huh:
Exactly. And 267 hp was...anyone? Anyone? Pulled out of an anatomical feature. Anyone?
Pulled out of his ass.
Quote from: M_power on October 25, 2006, 09:57:48 PM
Then I guess there must be some kind of mod :huh:
Canadian math
Canadian math? I thought you guys called it "advanced-way-the-fuck-beyond-our-comprehension" math.
Quote from: 93JC on October 25, 2006, 10:26:19 PM
Canadian math? I thought you guys called it "advanced-way-the-fuck-beyond-our-comprehension" math.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: 93JC on October 25, 2006, 10:26:19 PM
Canadian math? I thought you guys called it "advanced-way-the-fuck-beyond-our-comprehension" math.
yeah, pretty much
I was just trying to hold onto some semblance of dignity for my country.
The "Final Run" edition of the 'Trep was also badged Daytona and had a better exhaust and intake.
Candian Mathematics standards have actually consistently been higher than that of our American counterparts....i find that the 267 was actually extracted by using parts from an SLR engine and the backseat was taken out to make room for teh radiators, since the intrepid has more thna veyron... :praise:.....just for jokes toureg relax :cheers:
Right and your family's only car...the crapped up silver Grand Caravan base model should have a Ferrari V-12 under the Stow'N'Go storage bins shouldn't it?
Quote from: Maksx on October 26, 2006, 03:45:21 PM
:mask:
Hes just mad that were having a little fun at his "Cab-forward" expense.
Touareg, theres no point boasting about a fucking sedan man. All it does is get you place to place, they are the fucking appliances of the car world. Your Intrepid, your camry, my maxima. Shit everyone who drives a plain jane sedan knows it and you should learn it too.
Quote from: jadewolf123 on October 26, 2006, 03:58:06 PMTouareg, theres no point boasting about a fucking sedan man. All it does is get you place to place, they are the fucking appliances of the car world.
Except for owners of these:
(http://www.diseno-art.com/images/lotus_carlton.jpg)
, these:
(http://www.fahrcar.com/bmw-m5-e39-rear.jpg)
and the like. Then they're the fucking
man, man.
Quote from: jadewolf123 on October 26, 2006, 03:58:06 PM
Hes just mad that were having a little fun at his "Cab-forward" expense.
Touareg, theres no point boasting about a fucking sedan man. All it does is get you place to place, they are the fucking appliances of the car world. Your Intrepid, your camry, my maxima. Shit everyone who drives a plain jane sedan knows it and you should learn it too.
Right, the extra doors automatically make it less of a car.
Quote from: jadewolf123 on October 26, 2006, 03:58:06 PM
Hes just mad that were having a little fun at his "Cab-forward" expense.
Touareg, theres no point boasting about a fucking sedan man. All it does is get you place to place, they are the fucking appliances of the car world. Your Intrepid, your camry, my maxima. Shit everyone who drives a plain jane sedan knows it and you should learn it too.
Wtf? Dude... I'm not saying my car's an exotic...but it's definitely not slow. Name one other sedan that cost around $30K or less, was for sale in 2004, and put out more horsepower. Also, my Camry can probably blow the doors off any Accord or Mazda6 (not a speed6)...and the Maxima can barely match it in performance.
I'm not trying to troll it or anything...but I do consider my Intrepid to be a sleeper.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 26, 2006, 04:25:13 PM
Wtf? Dude... I'm not saying my car's an exotic...but it's definitely not slow. Name one other sedan that cost around $30K or less, was for sale in 2004, and put out more horsepower. Also, my Camry can probably blow the doors off any Accord or Mazda6 (not a speed6)...and the Maxima can barely match it in performance.
I'm not trying to troll it or anything...but I do consider my Intrepid to be a sleeper.
WRX. Sorry buddy. :lol:
But, you have a nice car anyway. :ohyeah:
Quote from: ro51092 on October 26, 2006, 04:34:36 PM
WRX. Sorry buddy. :lol:
But, you have a nice car anyway. :ohyeah:
Fine. WRX is faster but still only had 227hp;) I thought I said "more horsepower" :devil:
But thanks :)
Quote from: ifcar on October 26, 2006, 04:07:05 PM
Right, the extra doors automatically make it less of a car.
Im talking mainstreamers iffy, not some crazy balls out super sled. Dont get your panties in a bunch.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 26, 2006, 04:25:13 PM
Wtf? Dude... I'm not saying my car's an exotic...but it's definitely not slow. Name one other sedan that cost around $30K or less, was for sale in 2004, and put out more horsepower. Also, my Camry can probably blow the doors off any Accord or Mazda6 (not a speed6)...and the Maxima can barely match it in performance.
I'm not trying to troll it or anything...but I do consider my Intrepid to be a sleeper.
I'm SURE you're Camry can 'blow the doors off' a V6 Accord with a manual transmission.
The accord can do it under 6 seconds.
Camry V6 - 6.1 seconds to 60
Accord V6 - 6.7 seconds to 60.
Did you pull this 6 seconds out of ur ass? ;)
Quote from: touareg208 on October 26, 2006, 05:07:48 PM
Camry V6 - 6.1 seconds to 60
Accord V6 - 6.7 seconds to 60.
Did you pull this 6 seconds out of ur ass tamil tiger? ;)
No, he isn't pulling anything out of his ass. C&D clocked the last 6MT Accord EX they had in a comparo at 5.9 seconds. I'm very sure that the new Camry might be able to best this time, but next time, get your sources in order. ;)
Wow, I totally forgot. 0-60 is everything!
MX-5s suck! They're not sports cars! Too SLOW! ALL HAIL CAMRY!
Quote from: ro51092 on October 26, 2006, 05:30:43 PM
No, he isn't pulling anything out of his ass. C&D clocked the last 6MT Accord EX they had in a comparo at 5.9 seconds. I'm very sure that the new Camry might be able to best this time, but next time, get your sources in order. ;)
Really? Whoa...i just googled the 0-60 time and got 6.7..:praise:.. sorry :)
Quote from: touareg208 on October 26, 2006, 06:01:09 PM
Really? Whoa...i just googled the 0-60 time and got 6.7..:praise:.. sorry :)
and thats why youre a fucknut, he explicitly said the V6 MT.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 26, 2006, 06:01:09 PM
Really? Whoa...i just googled the 0-60 time and got 6.7..:praise:.. sorry :)
That "tamil tiger" comment is also pretty uncalled for man, if you want to act liek that go back to your friends at genmay
Quote from: Maksx on October 26, 2006, 06:11:06 PM
That "tamil tiger" comment is also pretty uncalled for man, if you want to act liek that go back to your friends at genmay
Its clear that not only is he a fucknut, but a bigot as well
It was a joke.... and fine I take it back;) Raghavan took it as a joke...why shouldn't you? Jeez man stop ragging on me on the forums...then being an angel in person.
Quote from: jadewolf123 on October 26, 2006, 06:10:27 PM
and thats why youre a fucknut, he explicitly said the V6 MT.
hey no need to be mean... wth did I ever do to you?
Quote from: touareg208 on October 26, 2006, 06:28:09 PM
It was a joke.... and fine I take it back;) Raghavan took it as a joke...why shouldn't you? Jeez man stop ragging on me on the forums...then being an angel in person.
Well, i never saw it in the first place, but no, i don't care and take offense to it. But you might want to be careful of what you say because someone may get uber pissed at you.
Quote from: Raghavan on October 26, 2006, 06:43:12 PM
But you might want to be careful of what you say because someone may get uber pissed at you.
Yes...Maksx... my supposed best friend and the one person who takes offense to everything I say. :)
Quote from: touareg208 on October 26, 2006, 07:03:20 PM
Yes...Maksx... my supposed best friend and the one person who takes offense to everything I say. :)
dont be mad, by telling you this time, maybe i saved u from getting your butt kicked by an even bigger guy somewhere in the future
Ha, you silly brown guys... :lol:
Quote from: 93JC on October 26, 2006, 07:31:27 PM
Ha, you silly brown guys... :lol:
Hey not all of us are wenches.
Anway getting back on top....hows these?
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2893/megapipebackrightzo9.jpg)
or
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/301/whitecivicbackbc8.jpg)
:ohyeah:
Sechsee
Has anyone suggested this for a first car?
(http://www.edmunds.com/media/news/column/letterstoeditors/04.aug/04.ford.focus.svt.500.jpg)
Find a good, lightly-used 2004 Focus SVT and it might be just the ticket...and won't cost a lot.? Plus, you can get a five-door for added versatility.? Comes only with a 6-speed manual, though.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 26, 2006, 04:25:13 PM
Wtf? Dude... I'm not saying my car's an exotic...but it's definitely not slow. Name one other sedan that cost around $30K or less, was for sale in 2004, and put out more horsepower. Also, my Camry can probably blow the doors off any Accord or Mazda6 (not a speed6)...and the Maxima can barely match it in performance.
I'm not trying to troll it or anything...but I do consider my Intrepid to be a sleeper.
Nissan Maxima
Quote from: jadewolf123 on October 26, 2006, 07:38:49 PM
Hey not all of us are wenches.
Seriously.
I hate it when I miss out on all the fun in a thread... :banghead:
Quote from: Danish on October 27, 2006, 11:52:29 PM
Seriously.
I hate it when I miss out on all the fun in a thread... :banghead:
Well, you have to be here all the time and whore it up constantly.
:mask:
Hmmm..How about the mini cooper, my father and i are going for a test run tomorrow
Quote from: Danish on October 27, 2006, 11:46:24 PM
Nissan Maxima
250 I believe. The stock Intrepid 3.5-HO put out 251 or 252...and my Daytona Final Run has 267 ;) One of these days I should get a dyno.
On MAKSX's topic...the Cooper is wicked. :)
You guys are a bunch of wackos......... :nutty:
Quote from: touareg208 on October 28, 2006, 09:37:13 PM
250 I believe. The stock Intrepid 3.5-HO put out 251 or 252...and my Daytona Final Run has 267 ;) One of these days I should get a dyno.
On MAKSX's topic...the Cooper is wicked. :)
You're gonna get a dyno or you're gonna get it dyno-ed? :lol:
dOOd...my 2-door Lumina ("Monte Carlo") is faster than all yo' cars! :nutty:
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 28, 2006, 10:35:54 PM
dOOd...my 2-door Lumina ("Monte Carlo") is faster than all yo' cars! :nutty:
How yeah how is that car ? :lol:
Quote from: touareg208 on October 28, 2006, 09:37:13 PM
250 I believe. The stock Intrepid 3.5-HO put out 251 or 252...and my Daytona Final Run has 267 ;) One of these days I should get a dyno.
On MAKSX's topic...the Cooper is wicked. :)
265.... but who's counting? ;)
After reading this thread, I can now understand why so many American cars are marketed just on horsepower :rolleyes:
Focus would be a great first car. Nice handling, nippy and practical. And you say it's only a available as a 6sp manual like it's a bad thing....!
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on October 29, 2006, 05:55:48 AM
After reading this thread, I can now understand why so many American cars are marketed just on horsepower :rolleyes:
Focus would be a great first car. Nice handling, nippy and practical. And you say it's only a available as a 6sp manual like it's a bad thing....!
That's because earlier in the thread the topic starter (whose car this would be) said he can't drive a manual and implied that he would have trouble finding someone to teach him. It's a downside for him, not in general.
Ah, my bad.
To Maksx - when you learn, make you learn stick. It's much more fun, and you'll be learning the 'proper' way to drive :P :devil:
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on October 29, 2006, 06:13:37 AM
Ah, my bad.
To Maksx - when you learn, make you learn stick.? It's much more fun, and you'll be learning the 'proper' way to drive? :P? :devil:
Words of wisdom! :rockon:
Don't go for just HP- make sure you get something that's big enough to haul the stuff/people you need, and consider how and where you're actually using it.
And for what it's worth, if you get a small(er) car DON'T get an automatic. They suck the life and fun out of smaller cars, and manual honestly won't take more than a few days to pick up..
As far as I'm concerned, Maksx can't buy a manual in case his other family members (I believe his mom or his aunt) might need to share his car occasionally, and they can't (and won't learn) to drive a manual. Plus, in constant stop/go traffic, which is his typical route to school and/or university, a manual is rather impractical... as much fun they are. That's the reason most youngsters around here (even ricers) have automatics. ;)
What's impractical about moving more than your right foot in stop and go traffic?
Quote from: ifcar on October 29, 2006, 09:11:26 AM
What's impractical about moving more than your right foot in stop and go traffic?
:lol:
At this point I just roll my eyes when I hear that excuse. Unless you live in downtown LA or NY I can't imagine the traffic you are dealing with is worse than I have on a regular basis, and apart from that I've seen plenty of cars with stickshifts in downtown Paris and Zurich.
I agree with ifcar.
Though I guess there's nothing wrong with choosing an automatic,
a) it takes alot of the fun out of driving
b) it ridiculous you can get a full licence in America by passing your test in an auto, then be allowed to drive a manual.
In the UK and I'm sure many other places, if you take an automatic test you only get an automatic licence, so you don't get people who don't know how to operate a gearbox trying to do so.
So few Americans are learning to drive stickshift anymore that it's probably just fine that there aren't any more obstacles for those with any interest at all.
Quote from: ifcar on October 29, 2006, 06:07:48 AM
That's because earlier in the thread the topic starter (whose car this would be) said he can't drive a manual and implied that he would have trouble finding someone to teach him. It's a downside for him, not in general.
Exactly.
Quote from: ifcar on October 29, 2006, 11:56:25 AM
So few Americans are learning to drive stickshift anymore that it's probably just fine that there aren't any more obstacles for those with any interest at all.
It's more "convenient" to operate a car with an automatic transmission while sipping on a Starbucks, playing with the navigation system and chatting on the cell phone. :confused: :lol:
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on October 29, 2006, 11:53:01 AM
I agree with ifcar.
Though I guess there's nothing wrong with choosing an automatic,
a) it takes alot of the fun out of driving
b) it ridiculous you can get a full licence in America by passing your test in an auto, then be allowed to drive a manual.
In the UK and I'm sure many other places, if you take an automatic test you only get an automatic licence, so you don't get people who don't know how to operate a gearbox trying to do so.
Same in Germany. But at first one would have to find a driving school that offers learning to drive in an automatic car... :lol:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on October 29, 2006, 09:43:56 AM
:lol:
At this point I just roll my eyes when I hear that excuse. Unless you live in downtown LA or NY I can't imagine the traffic you are dealing with is worse than I have on a regular basis, and apart from that I've seen plenty of cars with stickshifts in downtown Paris and Zurich.
Yeah but it also depends on the car. My A4 drove me crazy the couple of times I took it into downtown Chicago.
Quote from: Maksx on October 26, 2006, 07:42:11 PM
Anway getting back on top....hows these?
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2893/megapipebackrightzo9.jpg)
Holy fuck.
Quote from: pommes-t on October 29, 2006, 04:16:04 PM
Same in Germany. But at first one would have to find a driving school that offers learning to drive in an automatic car... :lol:
I remember calling a few driving schools asking if they had manuals. They didn't have any.
I was talking recently to someone putting his son through driving school, and while there apparently are two schools in the DC area that teach stickshift, neither were conveniently located for him. There isn't a stickshift in his family to learn on (Suburban and Taurus) so I suppose he's another young American who will never learn.
Quote from: ifcar on October 30, 2006, 05:40:25 PM
I was talking recently to someone putting his son through driving school, and while there apparently are two schools in the DC area that teach stickshift, neither were conveniently located for him. There isn't a stickshift in his family to learn on (Suburban and Taurus) so I suppose he's another young American who will never learn.
I learned how to drive a stick on a 1989 Tercel coupe. You probably know the kind...included seats, a steering wheel, engine...and not much else. Truly stripped. No BS...it averaged 49 mpg on one trip from Portland to LA!! :ohyeah:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/2nd-Tercel.jpg/500px-2nd-Tercel.jpg)
I distinctly recall the Tercel's passenger-side mirror being optional until the end. Makes the base Echo look well-equipped.
Quote from: ifcar on October 30, 2006, 06:12:58 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/2nd-Tercel.jpg/500px-2nd-Tercel.jpg)
I distinctly recall the Tercel's passenger-side mirror being optional until the end. Makes the base Echo look well-equipped.
You have to remember, the 80's were a whole different period, and, there were a lot of basic econoboxes with no passenger side mirrors. In the Echo's case, the base econoboxes did have passenger side mirrors, so it did too.
Times change. ;)
Quote from: ifcar on October 30, 2006, 06:12:58 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/2nd-Tercel.jpg/500px-2nd-Tercel.jpg)
I distinctly recall the Tercel's passenger-side mirror being optional until the end. Makes the base Echo look well-equipped.
Yeah, mine didn't have one. Mine did
without power steering, air conditioning, airbags or ABS, power windows, power locks, cruise, CD or cassette (though it did have a 2-speaker AM/FM radio), keyless entry, etc. Like I said, it was stripped.
And mine was the angular third generation:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/89_Tercel.jpg)
(mine being the coupe, of course)
Do I miss it? Uhh...no. :P
"You have to remember, the 80's were a whole different period, and, there were a lot of basic econoboxes with no passenger side mirrors. In the Echo's case, the base econoboxes did have passenger side mirrors, so it did too.
Times change. "
Right, but the Tercel had the mirror optional up to 1999. ;)
Quote from: ifcar on October 30, 2006, 06:22:22 PM
"You have to remember, the 80's were a whole different period, and, there were a lot of basic econoboxes with no passenger side mirrors. In the Echo's case, the base econoboxes did have passenger side mirrors, so it did too.
Times change. "
Right, but the Tercel had the mirror optional up to 1999. ;)
Oh, then that's different. :ohyeah:
Quote from: touareg208 on October 29, 2006, 06:53:10 AM
As far as I'm concerned, Maksx can't buy a manual in case his other family members (I believe his mom or his aunt) might need to share his car occasionally, and they can't (and won't learn) to drive a manual. Plus, in constant stop/go traffic, which is his typical route to school and/or university, a manual is rather impractical... as much fun they are. That's the reason most youngsters around here (even ricers) have automatics. ;)
Lazy ass teenagers these days (oh crap, I'm one too :P)....
Quote from: USA_Idol on October 30, 2006, 06:22:18 PM
Yeah, mine didn't have one. Mine did without power steering, air conditioning, airbags or ABS, power windows, power locks, cruise, CD or cassette (though it did have a 2-speaker AM/FM radio), keyless entry, etc. Like I said, it was stripped.
And mine was the angular third generation:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/89_Tercel.jpg)
(mine being the coupe, of course)
Do I miss it? Uhh...no. :P
I've never had all those options in the same car. Never had AC, ABS, power windows or locks, cruise, or keyless entry. Hell the Volvo had none of that, and it was a luxury car! (Yeah, I only had one speaker AM/FM radio).
The Prelude doesn't have keyless entry, but it has everything else.
Quote from: Psilos on October 31, 2006, 12:51:56 AM
I've never had all those options in the same car. Never had AC, ABS, power windows or locks, cruise, or keyless entry. Hell the Volvo had none of that, and it was a luxury car! (Yeah, I only had one speaker AM/FM radio).
Yeah, that's mostly true for my cars, too.
The 2004 Accord is the first car I've owned that has side impact airbags. They're mounted in the seat, which means they must tear open the seat when they deploy. Of course, the seat condition is probably the last thing I would be worried about in a side collision. :P
Quote from: Psilos on October 31, 2006, 12:51:56 AM
I've never had all those options in the same car. Never had AC, ABS, power windows or locks, cruise, or keyless entry. Hell the Volvo had none of that, and it was a luxury car! (Yeah, I only had one speaker AM/FM radio).
I've never had ABS, keyless entry, or cruise control. The Camry had power windows and locks (when they worked), but the Escort and Caravan didn't/don't. I do have A/C and a cassette deck. :praise:
My first Camry had absolutely every option...even traction control and AWD, leather, sunroof, absolutely everything. I believe it was a V6LE 4WD AllTrac. Maksx and I were driving home from school today when I saw my old Camry going in the opposite direction. Brought back a lot of memories. :praise:
Did you get all teary eyed?
Sarcasm right?
No... but I miss selling it. I asked the guy a few months ago on the mileage... 475,000 with NO PROBLEMS YET. I replaced the battery at 305,000 and thats about it.
Quote from: touareg208 on October 31, 2006, 07:31:18 PM
Sarcasm right?
No... but I miss selling it. I asked the guy a few months ago on the mileage... 475,000 with NO PROBLEMS YET. I replaced the battery at 305,000 and thats about it.
Yeah, um, BS.
^That is kilometers, of course.
Dude. 475,000km on a Camry with no problems is not hard. I sold my '00 with 250xxx with no problems... my second Camry. My dad had a '87 Camry that he drove up till 530,000 and then sold for the AllTrac in '93 or '94.
New Option Gents!
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited :praise: i like it...YAY or NAY?
Quote from: Maksx on November 05, 2006, 09:27:58 PM
New Option Gents!
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited :praise: i like it...YAY or NAY?
Sure, I guess. Are you really into off-roading and such? If not, then, why? If so, then you couldn't go wrong.
Why don't you check out a Volkswagen Rabbit?
Quote from: touareg208 on November 01, 2006, 06:45:53 AM
Dude. 475,000km on a Camry with no problems is not hard. I sold my '00 with 250xxx with no problems... my second Camry. My dad had a '87 Camry that he drove up till 530,000 and then sold for the AllTrac in '93 or '94.
Yes, because Camrys are the miracle car :rolleyes:
Quote from: Maksx on November 05, 2006, 09:27:58 PM
New Option Gents!
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited :praise: i like it...YAY or NAY?
NO. Bad gas mileage. They're nice SUV's, but you shouldn't need one unless you're going offroading.
Quote from: Maksx on November 05, 2006, 09:27:58 PM
New Option Gents!
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited :praise: i like it...YAY or NAY?
What Rag said.. If you're serious about off-roading, it's a great option and it can be great fun in the Summer. Otherwise, though, it's too bad on gas.
I still say Rabbit if your 'rents aren't willing to go used.
Quote from: TBR on November 05, 2006, 09:40:37 PM
Yes, because Camrys are the miracle car :rolleyes:
Damn straight. ;) :praise:
In the famous words of JAKEMILLER, all of Maksx's potential cars are shit. The only thing he should look at is a G35.
BTW does jake even own a G35?
Quote from: Maksx on November 05, 2006, 09:27:58 PM
New Option Gents!
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited :praise: i like it...YAY or NAY?
I imagine you'd get tired of it's on-road manners in about a week. Not to mention the fact it's significantly more expensive than anything else that's been discussed...
Quote from: Maksx on November 05, 2006, 09:27:58 PM
New Option Gents!
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited :praise: i like it...YAY or NAY?
I like the regular versions, but drive one, as they aren't the most comfortable vehicle for highway travel. Also, as stated above, they aren't particularly fuel efficient.
Quote from: mazda6er on November 06, 2006, 03:25:11 PM
I imagine you'd get tired of it's on-road manners in about a week.
It's not hard to get used to, actually. Most people overstate how "hard" it is to drive. It's not hard-wired to the road like a 3-Series, but that's a shortcoming that I was able to overlook pretty easily.
Quote from: VetteZ06 on November 06, 2006, 03:33:21 PM
It's not hard to get used to, actually. Most people overstate how "hard" it is to drive. It's not hard-wired to the road like a 3-Series, but that's a shortcoming that I was able to overlook pretty easily.
I would agree, but as a first car?
But if you only plan to use them on road, there isn't much point.
Quote from: ifcar on November 06, 2006, 03:37:42 PM
But if you only plan to use them on road, there isn't much point.
Other than wanting one, of course.
Quote from: VetteZ06 on November 06, 2006, 03:40:44 PM
Why not?
I don't know, kinda seems like training someone on weapon-usage and starting them off with a bazooka instead of a pistol. :lol:
Quote from: touareg208 on November 06, 2006, 02:14:51 PM
BTW does jake even own a G35?
Two of 'em; a coupe and a sedan.
Quote from: mazda6er on November 06, 2006, 03:44:27 PM
I don't know, kinda seems like training someone on weapon-usage and starting them off with a bazooka instead of a pistol.? :lol:
Before getting the Rubicon, I had a Wrangler Sport for seven years. Several kids used it to learn how to drive a manual transmission, and it was perfectly fine. I can only assume that the newer one has improved driving dynamics, so he should be okay with learning how to drive it.
They're not the most practical vehicles, but an Unlimited version alleviates that problem somewhat.
Personally i like the fact that i might have to shove the driveway and it can go over the snow in my driveway instead...is it good for canadian winters?
Off roading id like to tryy, im also a fan of that freedom top, keep me warm in the winter adn give me some air in the summer :)
Plus my dads second car after a morris minor was an army jeep and he loved that thing...anyone have the gas milage stats as well plz and thanks?
Jeep owners can correct me if necessary but you will probably average around 16 mpg.
Quote from: Maksx on November 06, 2006, 05:04:32 PM
Personally i like the fact that i might have to shove the driveway and it can go over the snow in my driveway instead...
Wouldn't that make it a real PITA to shovel afterwards?
Quote from: ifcar on November 06, 2006, 05:34:03 PM
Wouldn't that make it a real PITA to shovel afterwards?
yes but it's a short-term solution to his problem. Procrastination my friend... are you familiar with the concept? :devil:
Quote from: The Pirate on November 06, 2006, 05:14:13 PM
Jeep owners can correct me if necessary but you will probably average around 16 mpg.
With the Sport I averaged around 18 mpg, but with the Rubicon I get about 15 or 16 mpg. An Unlimited would probably be in that range somewhere, and an Unlimited Rubicon might even be a little bit lower (just a guess).
Quote from: touareg208 on November 06, 2006, 06:01:14 PM
yes but it's a short-term solution to his problem. Procrastination my friend... are you familiar with the concept? :devil:
Of course. It just doesn't seem like a good reason to buy a $30,000 automobile.
Quote from: ifcar on November 06, 2006, 06:29:23 PM
Of course. It just doesn't seem like a good reason to buy a $30,000 automobile.
Well does a new driver who theoretically doesn't even have his license yet, or ANY new driver for that matter, need a $30,000 automobile?
Nobody really NEEDS a $30,000 car, but how many people buy them? I'm not bashing here, if I could comfortably afford to drop 30 grand on a vehicle, there is a few that I would consider.
There are plenty of cars that cost more than mine. I'm happy with it though, and very simply, it does the same thing as a 30K car. It provides me with a means of going somewhere.
Quote from: touareg208 on November 06, 2006, 06:42:06 PM
Well does a new driver who theoretically doesn't even have his license yet, or ANY new driver for that matter, need a $30,000 automobile?
I didn't say they do. Don't muddle the issue.
Thats why im still in the process of finding touareg my friend, now please respect others, you gave wimmer an awful bashing too :rolleyes:
Quote from: touareg208 on November 06, 2006, 06:42:06 PM
Well does a new driver who theoretically doesn't even have his license yet, or ANY new driver for that matter, need a $30,000 automobile?
Why does any driver need a $10,000 car like your Intrepid? You're being a hypocrite here, don't try to be the old and wise one when you're only a few months older.
Quote from: TBR on November 06, 2006, 08:25:51 PM
Why does any driver need a $10,000 car like your Intrepid? You're being a hypocrite here, don't try to be the old and wise one when you're only a few months older.
;)
Quote from: TBR on November 06, 2006, 08:25:51 PM
Why does any driver need a $10,000 car like your Intrepid? You're being a hypocrite here, don't try to be the old and wise one when you're only a few months older.
Ooh. Pwned. Nice job TBR.
Has anyone said Camry yet? My great uncle's dogwalker's cat has one that he's put 774K miles on since May 2005. No problems. Original tires still.
it probably still gets 64.2 mpg as well
Quote from: The Pirate on November 06, 2006, 09:42:33 PM
it probably still gets 64.2 mpg as well
But only highway. City'll see 42.6 only.
I came really close to 42.6 in my car once.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 06, 2006, 09:48:32 PM
I came really close to 42.6 in my car once.
And I thought my 27 was nice. :lol:
I like my car, but I would take a 3er with 27 mpg any day.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 06, 2006, 10:25:05 PM
I like my car, but I would take a 3er with 27 mpg any day.
Good job, so would any of us. :rolleyes:
:lol:
E36 for me though, please.
E30 M3 in Black or Red for me though.
:rockon:
Quote from: TBR on November 06, 2006, 08:25:51 PM
Why does any driver need a $10,000 car like your Intrepid? You're being a hypocrite here, don't try to be the old and wise one when you're only a few months older.
Well I suggested him a used car... hell my first car when I got my license was a 15-year old Camry with 340,000km on it. I worked hard for the money I paid for my Intrepid. ;)
In Gangsta speak:
"TBR, why you gotta have beef?"
Quote from: Raza on November 06, 2006, 09:35:19 PM
Has anyone said Camry yet? My great uncle's dogwalker's cat has one that he's put 774K miles on since May 2005. No problems. Original tires still.
:lol:
I hear a Lumina is a great buy too.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on November 07, 2006, 07:29:19 AM
:lol:
I hear a Lumina is a great buy too.
Screw the Lumina... get a Corsica :rockon:
As shitty as Luminas, Corsicas, and Camrys may be...they still have better reliability than VWs right Raza? :devil: :lol:
If your parents had been willing to buy you a new car would you've turned it down? That's what I thought.
EDIT: I'm staying out of this.
Quote from: TBR on November 07, 2006, 11:20:09 AM
If your parents had been willing to buy you a new car would you've turned it down? That's what I thought.
Wow you're a prick. I'm not insulting the fact that his parents are getting him a new car...I'm very happy for him. I'm just saying that it's not a very smart decision on his parents' part no matter how generous they may be (and they are...in fact very nice people) for any parent to buy a new driver a $30,000 car!
Quote from: touareg208 on November 07, 2006, 12:18:33 PM
Wow you're a prick. I'm not insulting the fact that his parents are getting him a new car...I'm very happy for him. I'm just saying that it's not a very smart decision on his parents' part no matter how generous they may be (and they are...in fact very nice people) for any parent to buy a new driver a $30,000 car!
Why not? If the parents can afford it, what's "not smart" about it? Would you rather have your kid in an unsafe shitbox or a safe $30,000 car? If they can afford, I can't see why not.
Although I would never buy my kid a car. Oh, and I could care less about safety :lol:
Quote from: ro51092 on November 07, 2006, 12:23:18 PM
Why not? If the parents can afford it, what's "not smart" about it? Would you rather have your kid in an unsafe shitbox or a safe $30,000 car? If they can afford, I can't see why not.
Although I would never buy my kid a car. Oh, and I could care less about safety :lol:
Well the kid is more than likely to screw up the car...and probably hurt himself... don't you think? Plus a first car is something most people learn on....get the feel of roads and adapt their own driving style...
Quote from: touareg208 on November 07, 2006, 12:57:17 PM
Well the kid is more than likely to screw up the car...and probably hurt himself... don't you think? Plus a first car is something most people learn on....get the feel of roads and adapt their own driving style...
Are you sure it's not just jealousy? :tounge:
So what? It isn't any of your business. Besides, if you have a problem with it you should tell Maksx's parents to their faces. What purpose does ranting about it on an internet message board have? As already noted, surely you don't expect Maksx to turn down a free car yet that is the only thing that can be accomplished here.
I actually happen to agree with you, but I would also say that no new driver (myself and yourself included!) needs to be driving a brand new $30,000 car either, yet you are. Besides the fact this is all off-topic anyway, he didn't ask for opinions on parenting, he asked for opinions on a new car.
In all honesty I think you're a jackass... and have no reason to be singling me out...but Maksx is my best bud and I think I've trolled in his thread enough. I DO give him all my "pointless" advice. I don't see you having given any advice in this thread except randomly trying to shut me down. Go burn in hell.
I singled you out because you are the only one being a complete jerk (telling him that his parents are stupid) and an even bigger idiot (calling the Mazda3 shitty, that is just so retarded it is funny).
And, no, I didn't give any advice because the Focus was already mentioned.
Quote from: touareg208 on November 07, 2006, 06:36:13 AM
Well I suggested him a used car... hell my first car when I got my license was a 15-year old Camry with 340,000km on it. I worked hard for the money I paid for my Intrepid. ;)
You fail to mention the biggest point....your family sold teh camry, you had no control over that shit...ALSO you got ur intrepid for like $2000 off the company lease, its not like you spent 10k of your own cash...you aren't that hardworking....i know
Of course. That's the point I've been trying to make to TBR. I don't drive a $30,000 car... we paid like $1800 for it because of the company buyoff.
Yes, we sold the 2000 Camry. However, said 2000 Camry was sold because of me actually... I wanted the Intrepid over the Camry...and we got $7200 for it...which was far more than we paid for the Intrepid.
Quote from: TBR on November 07, 2006, 01:48:13 PM
I singled you out because you are the only one being a complete jerk (telling him that his parents are stupid).
Yeah he even told me that in person/over msn, which i do feel is uncalled for, but im not planning on truning a car offer down....
thats for your help TBR...your porints are the exact ones ive been trying to get through to him....and the mazda 3 ISNT shitty by any means :)
Quote from: Maksx on November 07, 2006, 02:09:54 PM
Yeah he even told me that in person/over msn, which i do feel is uncalled for, but im not planning on truning a car offer down....
thats for your help TBR...your porints are the exact ones ive been trying to get through to him....and the mazda 3 ISNT shitty by any means :)
Maksx I don't think you should LIE. I didn't call your parents stupid by any means, and I realize I came across like that...I didn't intend to. I merely suggested once or twice that you should look into a used car...and I haven't suggested that to you in a while. I've suggested numerous cars in your budget (i.e. Rabbit, Jetta, Civic Si, CSX, etc)...
Hmmm I see what I said.
Quote from: touareg208
The S40 or the Jetta GLi should be on the top of your list Maksx. I retract my previous statement, as you can do much better than a shitty-ass Mazda3,
I meant for his budget, the 3 seems on the lower end. I don't think it's a shitty car at all... but if he's looking at Wranglers and S40s... and even GTIs... shouldn't he look at maybe a Speed3?
Quote from: touareg208 on November 07, 2006, 02:03:09 PM
Of course. That's the point I've been trying to make to TBR. I don't drive a $30,000 car... we paid like $1800 for it because of the company buyoff.
Yes, we sold the 2000 Camry. However, said 2000 Camry was sold because of me actually... I wanted the Intrepid over the Camry...and we got $7200 for it...which was far more than we paid for the Intrepid.
You are always saying that you are the only one that drives the Camry, that is the car I was talking about.
The Mazda3 isn't a shitty car even compared to $25,000+ ones, that is why it has been so highly praised by just about everyone. And, I am guessing that his parents would probably find the Mazdaspeed3 to powerful plus it is 6MT only.
Quote from: TBR on November 07, 2006, 02:59:21 PM
You are always saying that you are the only one that drives the Camry, that is the car I was talking about.
Oh the 07. Well my mom doesn't need it...so I drive it. Company pays the gas.
toureg, you sound jealous because Mak is getting a nice car and you have a POS Camry.
And you DO deserve to be shut down by TBR (and pretty much everyone else), because you've been a dick to Wimmer lately in all his threads, and you are always talking about the Camry.
And you'd turn down the offer for a brand new car, saying that you'd rather get an old one to 'feel the roads with' or something like that? WTF?
Man, you're so stupid.
Quote from: Raghavan on November 07, 2006, 04:50:32 PM
toureg, you sound jealous because Mak is getting a nice car and you have a POS Camry.
And you DO deserve to be shut down by TBR (and pretty much everyone else), because you've been a dick to Wimmer lately in all his threads, and you are always talking about the Camry.
And you'd turn down the offer for a brand new car, saying that you'd rather get an old one to 'feel the roads with' or something like that? WTF?
Man, you're so stupid.
I haven't been a dick to Wimmer...that was honestly Maksx on my laptop. Also, you can shut down my Camry all you want but it's still worth $39,500 today.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 06, 2006, 10:30:14 PM
E36 for me though, please.
Attaboy. I want an E36 M3, and I want to set it up like Bovingdon's Evo M3 racecar. Of course, he has a coupe.
Quote from: touareg208 on November 07, 2006, 12:18:33 PM
Wow you're a prick. I'm not insulting the fact that his parents are getting him a new car...I'm very happy for him. I'm just saying that it's not a very smart decision on his parents' part no matter how generous they may be (and they are...in fact very nice people) for any parent to buy a new driver a $30,000 car!
My brother and I both got $50K cars when we got our licenses. We turned out okay. Especially him.
Hahaha, my parents gave me a bill for auto insurance when I got my license.
Quote from: Raza on November 07, 2006, 06:24:32 PM
My brother and I both got $50K cars when we got our licenses. We turned out okay. Especially him.
Lucky bastard. What was your first car?
Quote from: Raza on November 07, 2006, 06:24:32 PM
My brother and I both got $50K cars when we got our licenses. We turned out okay. Especially him.
Whats your bro doing now?
HOOOOLD ON. If $30K is being thrown around (for some reason)....
GET WHAT's IN MY SIG!
Well, unless it's 30K Canadian. :lol:
Quote from: The Pirate on November 06, 2006, 10:30:14 PM
E36 for me though, please.
I drove a stripper '93 325i one time (it was an AT, but the MT versions of that car were good for a sub-6 0-60). It was the single most engaging car I have ever driven - even more precise than my car. Like a friggin Go-Kart!
Quote from: touareg208 on November 07, 2006, 12:18:33 PM
Wow you're a prick. I'm not insulting the fact that his parents are getting him a new car...I'm very happy for him. I'm just saying that it's not a very smart decision on his parents' part no matter how generous they may be (and they are...in fact very nice people) for any parent to buy a new driver a $30,000 car!
Value has absolutely nothing to do with it.
My first car was under $10K, I got into several accidents, one time nearly killing myself and nearly totalling it only a couple months after I got it. I was nearly 17.
Before I turned 18, I got my current car. I haven't so much as scratched it, and I haven't even been pulled over yet (despite driving a 260 mile round trip every weekend, every once in a while at speeds that would land me on the 10 o'clock news).
You CANNOT predict what a new driver is (or isn't) going to get him or herself into. Thus, it should have nothing to do with the choice being made. My parents would not have even bought me my A4 if they had known what would end up happening.
Quote from: touareg208 on November 07, 2006, 04:56:13 PM
I haven't been a dick to Wimmer...that was honestly Maksx on my laptop. Also, you can shut down my Camry all you want but it's still worth $39,500 today.
So you're criticising someone for getting a $30,000 car, yet you drive around in one worth '$39,500' today.
I really don't see how that's anything but hyprocritical.
On a side note, maybe some people don't know how lucky they are! I'm off similar age, and I can't afford to insure my ?750-worth of Seat Ibiza while I'm at university.
If I was offered a brand new car, I would jump at the chance. If I was in the position to offer my son/daughter a brand new car, I would love to. I don't see what all this beef is about. Driving a car worth four figures on it's own is not a position to be sniffed at at our age.
Quote from: Maksx on November 07, 2006, 06:57:24 PM
Whats your bro doing now?
He's a financial analyst. But I'm still in college. He's older, he gets a chance to shine first.
Quote from: 850CSi on November 08, 2006, 01:09:14 AM
I drove a stripper '93 325i one time (it was an AT, but the MT versions of that car were good for a sub-6 0-60). It was the single most engaging car I have ever driven - even more precise than my car. Like a friggin Go-Kart!
I think sub 6 is a bit of an exaggeration. I raced one once, though I'm not sure whether it was an automatic or not, and he was two deep, but We were fairly even off the line, but I pulled away after 50mph or so.
Quote from: 850CSi on November 08, 2006, 01:06:27 AM
Well, unless it's 30K Canadian.? :lol:
A 32
3i goes for US$31,563.06 before taxes in Canada...
Quote from: Raza on November 08, 2006, 09:25:25 AM
I think sub 6 is a bit of an exaggeration.? I raced one once, though I'm not sure whether it was an automatic or not, and he was two deep, but We were fairly even off the line, but I pulled away after 50mph or so.
Autos were fairly slower. BMWs own claim was 5.6 for the MT.
Quote from: 850CSi on November 08, 2006, 11:08:12 AM
Autos were fairly slower. BMWs own claim was 5.6 for the MT.
Bullshit.
E36 M3 was 5.6 seconds. C/D tested it.
Quote from: 93JC on November 08, 2006, 10:27:42 AM
A 323i goes for US$31,563.06 before taxes in Canada...
Is there a 316?
Quote from: The Pirate on November 07, 2006, 06:44:18 PM
Hahaha, my parents gave me a bill for auto insurance when I got my license.
I got a car and along with death threats that would take effect if I screwed up :lol:
Quote from: Raza on November 08, 2006, 12:02:25 PM
Is there a 316?
The smallest engined model is the 318i AFAIK.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on November 08, 2006, 12:15:51 PM
The smallest engined model is the 318i AFAIK.
Checked it out. The 323 is the smallest in Canada.
Still, 0-100kmh in 7.4 seconds is nothing to scoff at. They could sell that here.
Okay folks mini cooper is a no go..HOWEVER
we meet one of those really nice salespeople at vw...a very great guy who had been working with them for 15 years name frank stone
he convinced my dad to not get a new car, but a used one, with a warranty....so we cheacked on an 2001 vw jetta vr6 full loaded for $16900CAD
and if we get it my father will throw in an mp3 cd deck too :) thoughts please?
The Jetta is known for its electrical problems. Avoid it.
Why not a new or used Mazda3 if you're back down in that price range? It's a better car than the Jetta, should be less expensive and/or newer than that Jetta, and is much less likely to break than that Jetta.
Quote from: ifcar on November 11, 2006, 03:15:57 PM
The Jetta is known for its electrical problems. Avoid it.
Why not a new or used Mazda3 if you're back down in that price range? It's a better car than the Jetta, should be less expensive and/or newer than that Jetta, and is much less likely to break than that Jetta.
These problems are coeverd by the warranty, and by teh time the warranty ends, we'll just get rid of it, you know just a car to learn on basically
It's not such a great car anyway. You can do much better for the money. And if you just want a disposable car to learn on, get something cheaper.
Jetta's a good car, but ifcar's already stated the possible issues with that.
Also, the 1.8T's better than the V6.
Hmmm, well its not final, so i guess we'll see :huh:
Quote from: touareg208 on November 07, 2006, 01:44:24 PM
In all honesty I think you're a jackass... and have no reason to be singling me out...but Maksx is my best bud and I think I've trolled in his thread enough. I DO give him all my "pointless" advice.? I don't see you having given any advice in this thread except randomly trying to shut me down. Go burn in hell.?
:pullover:? You're becoming a shit magnet around here very quickly and it hasn't gone unnoticed.? Try being a little more civil and respectful towards other posters.? There may be some disagreements here and there but very rarely does it lead to childish name calling.? ?:pullover:
Quote from: Catman on November 11, 2006, 06:19:57 PM
:pullover:? You're becoming a shit magnet around here very quickly and it hasn't gone unnoticed.? Try being a little more civil and respectful towards other posters.? There may be some disagreements here and there but very rarely does it lead to childish name calling.? ?:pullover:
:lol:
I find it amusing that he's so eager to offer advice for "new drivers." Is he not about the same age as his friend?
Quote from: VetteZ06 on November 11, 2006, 06:43:38 PM
:lol:
I find it amusing that he's so eager to offer advice for "new drivers." Is he not about the same age as his friend?
Schumacher gave him personal lessons in his Camry.
Quote from: Raza on November 11, 2006, 06:48:20 PM
Schumacher gave him personal lessons in his Camry.?
Now it all makes sense.
If he knows how to test the Camry's (admittedly high) limits, he's fit to give advice to us all.
Quote from: VetteZ06 on November 11, 2006, 06:43:38 PM
:lol:
I find it amusing that he's so eager to offer advice for "new drivers." Is he not about the same age as his friend?
yup, we're the same age, he just as his lisence first both because of his age, and my busy schedule
Isn't $16900 CAD (roughly $15k USD) expensive for a 5 year old Jetta?
Jetta is nice, but you can certainly do better with your budget
Yeah, don't let the pretty German badge make you do something not so smart.
Quote from: Danish on November 11, 2006, 08:39:03 PM
Isn't $16900 CAD (roughly $15k USD) expensive for a 5 year old Jetta?
Jetta is nice, but you can certainly do better with your budget
Yeah, that does seem expensive. Roy was looking at one that was about 6 grand.
Go with the Rabbit!!!
Well well well touareg got ripped apart on this thread :lol:
Quote from: ro51092 on November 11, 2006, 09:40:38 PM
Go with the Rabbit!!!
:rolleyes:
You german trolls are getting out of control, i'd understand if you were pushing a M car or Porsche or at the minimum a S series Audi, but lets leave the VW junk to the high school girls and pot heads.
Quote from: Danish on November 08, 2006, 12:07:44 PM
I got a car and along with death threats that would take effect if I screwed up :lol:
Me too! I got my parents old Subaru Legacy wagon. What did u get?
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 11, 2006, 09:41:51 PM
:rolleyes:
You german trolls are getting out of control, i'd understand if you were pushing a M car or Porsche or at the minimum a S series Audi, but lets leave the VW junk to the high school girls and pot heads.
............?
FBC was mugged by a Volkswagen when he was a little boy.
Quote from: Raza on November 11, 2006, 10:03:41 PM
FBC was mugged by a Volkswagen when he was a little boy.?
No i just had to go and pick up my brother all the time when his broke down, that coupled with the high and mighty attitude of most VW owners just pisses me off. :nono:
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 11, 2006, 10:05:08 PM
No i just had to go and pick up my brother all the time when his broke down, that coupled with the high and mighty attitude of most VW owners just pisses me off. :nono:
Volkswagens are much better now. I've been perfect so far, and I can't think of a Passat that's been driven harder.
Quote from: ro51092 on November 11, 2006, 09:45:44 PM
Me too! I got my parents old Subaru Legacy wagon. What did u get?
98 Corolla. It was a stripper model and it was stickshift :praise:
That does sound expensive for a car that old. The Jetta is really nice though. Classy and well built. Maybe look at finding a cheaper one.
Did you look at the Golf yet?
Quote from: Danish on November 11, 2006, 11:13:18 PM
98 Corolla. It was a stripper model and it was stickshift :praise:
Hahaha, I bought my grandfather's 1988 Pontiac Bonneville. It had 182K miles when I took ownership.
Sorry, haven't read this thread since a while, but it now seems that your parents are down with used cars, so I might add a little bit here (as a very (ab)used) car driver;)):
I would recommend to any young guy to get a cheap car. It's simply a good feeling to know, there might get something broke without beeing a disaster (exept you have some money of course). Then I wouldn't get a car that is "too" strong. At least not for the very beginning. Ah, forget it. If you are a responsible guy get whatever you want. I've been driving like a real brainless asshole and I had some "nearly" a crash -situations. So I can be happy my car wasn't stronger. Now I want something faster though...
One thing you should really watch out for (that really sucks about my car) is safety. Get yourself a safe car. Especially if you drive outside of your city.
SO what do I actually recommend you?
A used Ford Focus (great, great car, should be cheap in the USA).
Any used Golf/Bora (I am biased towards VW. I simply love them. They are even better than FOcuses IMO, but also more expensive).
Used Ford Crown VIctoria/Chevy Caprice (I somehow like them. They are sooooo American. YOu have space for your friends, ride in style, they should be reliable and due to cheap insurances cheap to maintain).
If you want fun: late '80ies BMW 325i (my current affordable dremcar besides Porsches 924s...).
That's probably the most useless post here, but whatever...
If you are going to go used, get something old and cheap, because the odds are that you will crash it. It happens, we are all stupid and use poor judgment when we first get our license.
A mid 90's General Motors G-body wouldn't be a bad car at all. I had one and loved it.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 12, 2006, 04:56:22 PM
If you are going to go used, get something old and cheap, because the odds are that you will crash it. It happens, we are all stupid and use poor judgment when we first get our license.
That's exactly what I said and got my ass flamed for it. :mask:
Quote from: touareg208 on November 12, 2006, 08:15:32 PM
That's exactly what I said and got my ass flamed for it. :mask:
It was not so much THAT you said it....it was HOW you said it. Calling my parents "stupid" to start wasn't exactly a great idea
Quote from: The Pirate on November 12, 2006, 04:56:22 PM
If you are going to go used, get something old and cheap, because the odds are that you will crash it.?
I don't know... I could be wrong, but although most new drivers I know haven't had stellar records, I think I was really the only one to nearly total my car in the fashion that I did.
I dont think you can make that judgement unless you've seen him drive IMO.
A common misconception among young drivers is that if you drive well in routine situations, you can handle an emergency situation. That's where most new drivers have problems: in the situations they've never before encountered.
Quote from: 850CSi on November 13, 2006, 12:37:39 AM
I don't know... I could be wrong, but although most new drivers I know haven't had stellar records, I think I was really the only one to nearly total my car in the fashion that I did.
I dont think you can make that judgement unless you've seen him drive IMO.
I haven't seen him drive, so I didn't comment on his abilities, but if you look at the track record of young/new drivers as a whole, it's not stellar. Like I said above, odds are that damage will be inflicted on the car somehow. This could be a minor creasing of a telephone pole or something that wouldn't cause significant damage to the car, but would be more damaging to a new car then something older.
If he just needs the car to go to school and back home and around town type stuff, I think it's a better idea to get a reliable used car, if only for a year. Once experience and good behind the wheel decision making increases, then get a new car if necessary.
I will say that you guys all have it lucky. Even if I was a millionaire, I would never buy my kids a car. If they want one, I will help them, but they will work for it and contribute to all the expenses associated with owning one.
Be glad you guys aren't my children, I guess.
I'd buy my kids a motorcycle (especially if I wanted out of the marriage).
But, alas, ifcar is right. Therefore, I advocate stringent driver training. I remember ducking from darkened parking lot to darkened parking lot to learn the limits of myself and the E320 after I got my license. I also had to relearn parallel parking, since that shit is so easy on the test.
Edit: Maksx was on my laptop.
Quote from: JYoDeR240 on November 13, 2006, 11:00:54 AM
Why do you let him on?
He is one of my so-called 'good friends'. That's the last time though. He claims "I swear this time I won't..." but today he's done.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 13, 2006, 09:28:19 AM
I haven't seen him drive, so I didn't comment on his abilities, but if you look at the track record of young/new drivers as a whole, it's not stellar.? Like I said above, odds are that damage will be inflicted on the car somehow.? This could be a minor creasing of a telephone pole or something that wouldn't cause significant damage to the car, but would be more damaging to a new car then something older.
If he just needs the car to go to school and back home and around town type stuff, I think it's a better idea to get a reliable used car, if only for a year.? Once experience and good behind the wheel decision making increases, then get a new car if necessary.
I will say that you guys all have it lucky.? Even if I was a millionaire, I would never buy my kids a car.? If they want one, I will help them, but they will work for it and contribute to all the expenses associated with owning one.
Be glad you guys aren't my children, I guess.
Good points. :ohyeah:
Quote from: ifcar on November 13, 2006, 04:26:39 AM
A common misconception among young drivers is that if you drive well in routine situations, you can handle an emergency situation. That's where most new drivers have problems: in the situations they've never before encountered.
Ah, yes, and that is why a snow-filled parking lot should be a part of every young driver's training.
It was one of the first things I did after getting the A4 back after the crash. It paid off.
Quote from: 850CSi on November 13, 2006, 06:11:49 PM
Ah, yes, and that is why a snow-filled parking lot should be a part of every young driver's training.
It was one of the first things I did after getting the A4 back after the crash. It paid off.
Yep, I actually got my permit in the middle of winter and the first thing my dad did was to take me to a snowy parking lot (private property owned by his organization, so no issues with les gendarmes) and told me to have at it. It was an incredible lesson, and I will do the same for my kids.
And 850CSi, I read through my previous post, and it sounded a little cranky. I didn't mean to come across that way (if indeed I did), it's just an issue that I get a little sore about at times. We have a college rental above our shop, and all the tenants are rich spoiled pricks. Two of them drive a Cadillac Escalade and a Jeep Grand Cherokee and are just incredibly inconsiderate, to the point of smashed booze bottles in the parking lot of the shop, and they don't have a freaking clue that this impacts other people. They get flat tires, and mom and dad send a check for new tires and the events just perpetuate. I have several small dents in my car from their BB guns, and they are just like "well you shouldn't park there." It's incredibly annoying. I realize that a lot of people aren't like this, but I see it first hand, and it really burns my ass. No nastiness directed at anybody on here, just me venting I guess.
Quote from: The Pirate on November 13, 2006, 06:32:38 PM
And 850CSi, I read through my previous post, and it sounded a little cranky.?
Don't worry about it Adam. :ohyeah:
Quote from: The Pirate on November 13, 2006, 06:32:38 PM
Yep, I actually got my permit in the middle of winter and the first thing my dad did was to take me to a snowy parking lot (private property owned by his organization, so no issues with les gendarmes) and told me to have at it.? It was an incredible lesson, and I will do the same for my kids.
I've yet to do it in the bimmer, but I've exlored its limits on gravel, rain, and dry pavement, so I think that'll suffice.
Quote from: 850CSi on November 14, 2006, 12:30:24 AM
Don't worry about it Adam. :ohyeah:
So is his name Adam or Jamaal?
Jamal.
:lol: :lol:
I love you guys :rastaman:
What's the latest here? :confused:
Oh yes Maksx... do enlighten us ;)
Make sure that the first car you get is safe. It is the point in your life when you are most likely to crash (those are the odds, you may not...who knows?) and so safety should be your primary concern.
What's the latest news here?
edit: ima keep my mouth shut.
Well folks not too much, my father should be coming sometime in january, since he usually works and does business in dubai...i wantd him to come for winter vaactions but he may just come towards the end or maybe a week after....ive been concentrating on school heavily since my marks are of utmost importance this year, and im not doing so well in data management, both touareg and myself know why...soo not exactly much, im pretty sure i want to get either the civic ex coupe or the wrangler four door, those seem to be the favourites among my friends and myself.
Ill keep you guys posted, carspin will be the first to hear of any changes (mainly because this is the only car forum i go on :praise:)
-Maksx :ohyeah:
Quote from: Maksx on December 11, 2006, 02:24:03 PM
Well folks not too much, my father should be coming sometime in january, since he usually works and does business in dubai...i wantd him to come for winter vaactions but he may just come towards the end or maybe a week after....ive been concentrating on school heavily since my marks are of utmost importance this year, and im not doing so well in data management, both touareg and myself know why...soo not exactly much, im pretty sure i want to get either the civic ex coupe or the wrangler four door, those seem to be the favourites among my friends and myself.
Ill keep you guys posted, carspin will be the first to hear of any changes (mainly because this is the only car forum i go on :praise:)
-Maksx :ohyeah:
Ah yes... of course. :rolleyes: ;)
:cheers:
Get a Wrangler! Great kid car! Some of my buddies have 'em, endless entertainment. For your own sanity, however, I hope you don't have much highway driving to do.
And the ease with which they roll over is part of the allure :lol:
So what's the latest on when you're getting your LICENSE? Can't wait for what you owe me for all the times I've given you rides? ;)
Quote from: TheIntrepid on December 11, 2006, 02:40:18 PM
Ah yes... of course. :rolleyes: ;)
:cheers:
Yes touareg ill send u the ebay link to the pics asap :mask:
If you're only concerned with the image, you might as well get the car that's less expensive, more fuel-efficient, safer, and easier to drive.
Quote from: ifcar on December 11, 2006, 03:06:29 PM
If you're only concerned with the image, you might as well get the car that's less expensive, more fuel-efficient, safer, and easier to drive.
not really image... image is one of teh options...something i dont care about however is power..but yes ifcar i read your review of it, summing it up, was it really that bad?
As I said, if you're taking it off-road, there are no other options, but as an on-road only car it is among the worst. It is expensive, noisy, slow, uncomfortable, ponderous, cumbersome, and gas-sucking.
What about the new lancer...lol :lol:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on December 11, 2006, 02:44:04 PM
So what's the latest on when you're getting your LICENSE? Can't wait for what you owe me for all the times I've given you rides? ;)
I see you've evaded my question. ;)
If you're going to start pestering someone else about an evaded subject...
Quote from: TheIntrepid on December 09, 2006, 03:36:21 PM
My other cars, 07 Camry, 04 Intrepid, 07 S550, Touareg TDI, Caravan are all in existence...and I can get more pics of them.
Parked together, and with some identification them would be nice. ;)
How does right this minute sound?
Quote from: ifcar on December 11, 2006, 07:28:39 PM
If you're going to start pestering someone else about an evaded subject...
Parked together, and with some identification them would be nice. ;)
How does right this minute sound?
Tomorrow. It's dark and gloomy outside now. Minivan and Intrepid are in the garage... I can get pics of those in the morning as I leave... Touareg and S550 are in Kentucky with my uncle right now...? I'll get them. Don't worry Iffy :cheers:
Garage pics are even better. No one can doubt those.
So where's the Camry? Is that in Kentucky, too?
dont listen to ifcar...the Wrangler has cool factor which outdoes its raod manners!
Quote from: ifcar on December 11, 2006, 07:56:35 PM
Garage pics are even better. No one can doubt those.
So where's the Camry? Is that in Kentucky, too?
Ifcar... I've posted many pics of my Intrepid in the past... same with Caravan. It was dark outside when I left at 6:30am today... but here's an old shot on my laptop of the Touareg from a few weeks ago and you can see the grey Intrepid being worked on in the garage in the background.
(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3311/untitledae4.jpg)
And you're accusing someone else of evading a question. :rolleyes:
I didn't want to start this up again, but if you're going to start badgering someone else...
What about the Camry? Where are pictures with identification? You can get your uncle to take photos of the Kentucky cars and send them to you. It's not about how pretty the pictures are. Go get the pictures now.
I'm badgering him as a joke and he knows it. No offense, but stay out of it. Neither of us will be PMing you anymore, we've resolved our differences.
Something like this!!!!! :lol:
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7154/p7060295qx3.jpg)
Ohhhh yeah, I'm a handsome guy! With a nice ride! Oh yeah, I love my life!!! Yieeehaaaaaa!!!! :lol: :cheers: :thumbsup:
Quote from: pommes-t on December 12, 2006, 03:28:29 PM
Something like this!!!!! :lol:
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7154/p7060295qx3.jpg)
Ohhhh yeah, I'm a handsome guy! With a nice ride! Oh yeah, I love my life!!! Yieeehaaaaaa!!!! :lol: :cheers: :thumbsup:
and I'M the weirdest poster... :cheers:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on December 12, 2006, 03:25:43 PM
I'm badgering him as a joke and he knows it. No offense, but stay out of it. Neither of us will be PMing you anymore, we've resolved our differences.
OK, you just avoided the question again. WHERE THE HELL IS THE CAMRY???
Its hard to get rain on a car that doesnt exist
:lol:
That because there is no camry dudes...but then again you can get away with saying that, for some reason everytime i get skeptical (about touareg etc) , submariner and ro start flaming me :(
arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...even if you win, youre still retarded
Quote from: J86 on December 13, 2006, 01:55:46 PM
arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...even if you win, youre still retarded
nice but old.
Quote from: pommes-t on December 12, 2006, 03:28:29 PM
Something like this!!!!! :lol:
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7154/p7060295qx3.jpg)
Ohhhh yeah, I'm a handsome guy! With a nice ride! Oh yeah, I love my life!!! Yieeehaaaaaa!!!!? :lol: :cheers: :thumbsup:
Dude, that is a total photoshop! You know you are lying about having a VW Polo!
Quote from: SJ_GTI on December 13, 2006, 02:24:01 PM
Dude, that is a total photoshop! You know you are lying about having a VW Polo!
Damn you got me...
But I also have no shoes actually! :devil: ;) :lol:
Quote from: Maksx on December 13, 2006, 02:20:11 PM
nice but old.
S'ok bud, it's been around for a reason.
Quote from: pommes-t on December 12, 2006, 03:28:29 PM
Something like this!!!!! :lol:
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7154/p7060295qx3.jpg)
Ohhhh yeah, I'm a handsome guy! With a nice ride! Oh yeah, I love my life!!! Yieeehaaaaaa!!!! :lol: :cheers: :thumbsup:
Wow. If I was Wims, I'd so tap that.
:devil: :lol:
Quote from: pommes-t on December 12, 2006, 03:28:29 PM
Something like this!!!!! :lol:
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7154/p7060295qx3.jpg)
Ohhhh yeah, I'm a handsome guy! With a nice ride! Oh yeah, I love my life!!! Yieeehaaaaaa!!!!? :lol: :cheers: :thumbsup:
I remember living in Landstuhl in the early 1980's and my dad owned a VW Passat wagon.? Horrid orange & brown paint.? But the '76 Audi 100 was probably worse...bright retina-burning orange with a rich green interior!? ?:confused:
Judging from your Polo, at least VW has toned down the colors since I was last in Germany.?
Quote from: USA_Idol on December 24, 2006, 01:29:04 AM
I remember living in Landstuhl in the early 1980's and my dad owned a VW Passat wagon.? Horrid orange & brown paint.? But the '76 Audi 100 was probably worse...bright retina-burning orange with a rich green interior!? ?:confused:
Judging from your Polo, at least VW has toned down the colors since I was last in Germany.?
Seems like. And my Polo is 15 years old... ;)
Quote from: pommes-t on December 24, 2006, 05:20:55 PM
Seems like. And my Polo is 15 years old...? ;)
I don't think the US ever got the Polo. Unless our Fox was a renamed Polo?
(http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1990-93-Volkswagen-Fox-90606081990001.JPG)
AFAIK we never got a Polo. I always liked the Fox though ;)
Nope. You never got the Polo. The Fox is based on the brazilian VW Gol (no f here), which we never got. VW models worldwide are a pretty difficult thing... ;)
Quote from: pommes-t on December 25, 2006, 06:41:33 PM
Nope. You never got the Polo. The Fox is based on the brazilian VW Gol (no f here), which we never got. VW models worldwide are a pretty difficult thing...? ;)
They get the Gol in certain ME markets, I think. I know I've seen them before.
Get the S40. It is the nicest car out of the three you listed, and if you don't have to worry about price, why not go with the best option?